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Steve Reilly
 

Well I’m more than curious about the experience of upgrading your observatory computer over to Windows 11 from Windows 10. I have a OnLogic NUC installed in the observatory which has been doing a great job of my imaging setup and of course I just updated my APCC and ASCOM driver following the excellent video instructing how. But a restart just a few minutes ago shows a free upgrade to Windows 11 from the installed Windows 10. I’d really like to not have tons of issues to deal with doing so which is why this email. Is this risky to do or should I stay with the original OS on this 1 year old system which is working well on its own? I do have a few computers that have Windows 11 but those are personal use and not connected to any of the astronomy equipment. Just curious about your experience.

 

If not appropriate for the forum than private responses welcomed.

 

Thanks,

-Steve
Brian Valente
 

Hi Steve,

I have nearly the same set up although my onlogic nuc has been working great for about three years now.

Maybe I will take the plunge and move to windows 11 and report back.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:17 AM Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...> wrote:

Well I’m more than curious about the experience of upgrading your observatory computer over to Windows 11 from Windows 10. I have a OnLogic NUC installed in the observatory which has been doing a great job of my imaging setup and of course I just updated my APCC and ASCOM driver following the excellent video instructing how. But a restart just a few minutes ago shows a free upgrade to Windows 11 from the installed Windows 10. I’d really like to not have tons of issues to deal with doing so which is why this email. Is this risky to do or should I stay with the original OS on this 1 year old system which is working well on its own? I do have a few computers that have Windows 11 but those are personal use and not connected to any of the astronomy equipment. Just curious about your experience.

 

If not appropriate for the forum than private responses welcomed.

 

Thanks,

-Steve

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Ross Salinger
 

If your computer is 3 years old or more, I would recommend waiting it out. I have done the conversion and frankly, there's nothing that's even a smidgen better. The first step, though, no matter that you got the invite is to make sure that your old computer can meet all of the requirements. Two of my 3 imaging computers are more and do not meet the requirements. There's a download from MS that will analyze your box and let you know the outcome. My philosophy is to never install any update that I don't need until I have the energy to upgrade my boxes (usually annually) and then fully test (as best I can) the resulting new configuration on a night when I can't really image (wind, partly cloudy, too much moon, etc).

Rgrds-Ross 

On 1/7/2023 11:51 AM, Brian Valente wrote:

Hi Steve,

I have nearly the same set up although my onlogic nuc has been working great for about three years now.

Maybe I will take the plunge and move to windows 11 and report back.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:17 AM Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...> wrote:

Well I’m more than curious about the experience of upgrading your observatory computer over to Windows 11 from Windows 10. I have a OnLogic NUC installed in the observatory which has been doing a great job of my imaging setup and of course I just updated my APCC and ASCOM driver following the excellent video instructing how. But a restart just a few minutes ago shows a free upgrade to Windows 11 from the installed Windows 10. I’d really like to not have tons of issues to deal with doing so which is why this email. Is this risky to do or should I stay with the original OS on this 1 year old system which is working well on its own? I do have a few computers that have Windows 11 but those are personal use and not connected to any of the astronomy equipment. Just curious about your experience.

 

If not appropriate for the forum than private responses welcomed.

 

Thanks,

-Steve

--

Emilio J. Robau, P.E.
 

Totally agree with Ross.  Leave it alone.  I have two win 11 rig machines and two rig 10 machines.  One mini and one mini tower.  Nothing spectacular about win 11.  Some people say RDP is better and more robust, but I don't notice it.  If your machine is older leave it alone.
Brian Valente
 

I appreciate it guys but you might be aware that my job is to install all the new stuff to figure out what works and what doesn’t. I know my computer is Windows 11 compatible I’ve already done all that diagnostics in checks.

I’ll let you know how it goes later

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:01 PM Emilio J. Robau, P.E. <ejr@...> wrote:
Totally agree with Ross.  Leave it alone.  I have two win 11 rig machines and two rig 10 machines.  One mini and one mini tower.  Nothing spectacular about win 11.  Some people say RDP is better and more robust, but I don't notice it.  If your machine is older leave it alone.

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Steve Reilly
 

Thanks Brian.

 

I of course would fully backup my system, maybe even clone an identical drive before taking on the upgrade. I was aware when I bought my OnLogic that it would be Windows 11 compatible. What I’ve done with my Win 11 systems is install a program that gives me the options of using Windows 7, 8, or 10 menus styles. I always use Win 7, my favorite OS after XP. Yeah I have a few years on me…..

 

-Steve

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 2:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11

 

Hi Steve,

 

I have nearly the same set up although my onlogic nuc has been working great for about three years now.

 

Maybe I will take the plunge and move to windows 11 and report back.

 

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:17 AM Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...> wrote:

Well I’m more than curious about the experience of upgrading your observatory computer over to Windows 11 from Windows 10. I have a OnLogic NUC installed in the observatory which has been doing a great job of my imaging setup and of course I just updated my APCC and ASCOM driver following the excellent video instructing how. But a restart just a few minutes ago shows a free upgrade to Windows 11 from the installed Windows 10. I’d really like to not have tons of issues to deal with doing so which is why this email. Is this risky to do or should I stay with the original OS on this 1 year old system which is working well on its own? I do have a few computers that have Windows 11 but those are personal use and not connected to any of the astronomy equipment. Just curious about your experience.

 

If not appropriate for the forum than private responses welcomed.

 

Thanks,

-Steve

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Stuart
 

Steve et al - I have one rig on W'10 and it is STAYING there. The other is happily on W'11 with no issues. The one on W'10 is for my rig with the Apogee U16M and there were no drivers for W'11 when my computer happily upgraded itself. Camera vanished. Grrr. Anyway, one day maybe Andor will produce drivers for W'11 and this old camera but ... (they say they might have a set but I've been able to stabilize on W'10 for this rig and think the camera will die before W'10 becomes a problem).


On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 at 15:54, Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...> wrote:

Thanks Brian.

 

I of course would fully backup my system, maybe even clone an identical drive before taking on the upgrade. I was aware when I bought my OnLogic that it would be Windows 11 compatible. What I’ve done with my Win 11 systems is install a program that gives me the options of using Windows 7, 8, or 10 menus styles. I always use Win 7, my favorite OS after XP. Yeah I have a few years on me…..

 

-Steve

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 2:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11

 

Hi Steve,

 

I have nearly the same set up although my onlogic nuc has been working great for about three years now.

 

Maybe I will take the plunge and move to windows 11 and report back.

 

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:17 AM Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...> wrote:

Well I’m more than curious about the experience of upgrading your observatory computer over to Windows 11 from Windows 10. I have a OnLogic NUC installed in the observatory which has been doing a great job of my imaging setup and of course I just updated my APCC and ASCOM driver following the excellent video instructing how. But a restart just a few minutes ago shows a free upgrade to Windows 11 from the installed Windows 10. I’d really like to not have tons of issues to deal with doing so which is why this email. Is this risky to do or should I stay with the original OS on this 1 year old system which is working well on its own? I do have a few computers that have Windows 11 but those are personal use and not connected to any of the astronomy equipment. Just curious about your experience.

 

If not appropriate for the forum than private responses welcomed.

 

Thanks,

-Steve

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Steve Reilly
 

That was one aspect I always try to do is gather drivers 1st before any upgrade. Been down that path with printers/scanners and that’s why I buy Epson these days……..

 

-Steve

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stuart
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 3:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11

 

Steve et al - I have one rig on W'10 and it is STAYING there. The other is happily on W'11 with no issues. The one on W'10 is for my rig with the Apogee U16M and there were no drivers for W'11 when my computer happily upgraded itself. Camera vanished. Grrr. Anyway, one day maybe Andor will produce drivers for W'11 and this old camera but ... (they say they might have a set but I've been able to stabilize on W'10 for this rig and think the camera will die before W'10 becomes a problem).

 

 

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 at 15:54, Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...> wrote:

Thanks Brian.

 

I of course would fully backup my system, maybe even clone an identical drive before taking on the upgrade. I was aware when I bought my OnLogic that it would be Windows 11 compatible. What I’ve done with my Win 11 systems is install a program that gives me the options of using Windows 7, 8, or 10 menus styles. I always use Win 7, my favorite OS after XP. Yeah I have a few years on me…..

 

-Steve

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 2:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11

 

Hi Steve,

 

I have nearly the same set up although my onlogic nuc has been working great for about three years now.

 

Maybe I will take the plunge and move to windows 11 and report back.

 

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:17 AM Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...> wrote:

Well I’m more than curious about the experience of upgrading your observatory computer over to Windows 11 from Windows 10. I have a OnLogic NUC installed in the observatory which has been doing a great job of my imaging setup and of course I just updated my APCC and ASCOM driver following the excellent video instructing how. But a restart just a few minutes ago shows a free upgrade to Windows 11 from the installed Windows 10. I’d really like to not have tons of issues to deal with doing so which is why this email. Is this risky to do or should I stay with the original OS on this 1 year old system which is working well on its own? I do have a few computers that have Windows 11 but those are personal use and not connected to any of the astronomy equipment. Just curious about your experience.

 

If not appropriate for the forum than private responses welcomed.

 

Thanks,

-Steve

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Bill Long
 

There is a quite a large improvement in system performance in Windows 11 over Windows 10, but I don't want to get into that too deep here, as this isn't a Microsoft forum.

APCC, the V2 driver, and firmware updates via Edge have worked perfectly on Windows 11 for me. For firmware, I used the manual method, as I'm not a fan of installing the Java VM on machines that do not need it otherwise.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ross Salinger <rgsalinger@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 11:57 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11
 

If your computer is 3 years old or more, I would recommend waiting it out. I have done the conversion and frankly, there's nothing that's even a smidgen better. The first step, though, no matter that you got the invite is to make sure that your old computer can meet all of the requirements. Two of my 3 imaging computers are more and do not meet the requirements. There's a download from MS that will analyze your box and let you know the outcome. My philosophy is to never install any update that I don't need until I have the energy to upgrade my boxes (usually annually) and then fully test (as best I can) the resulting new configuration on a night when I can't really image (wind, partly cloudy, too much moon, etc).

Rgrds-Ross 

On 1/7/2023 11:51 AM, Brian Valente wrote:
Hi Steve,

I have nearly the same set up although my onlogic nuc has been working great for about three years now.

Maybe I will take the plunge and move to windows 11 and report back.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:17 AM Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...> wrote:

Well I’m more than curious about the experience of upgrading your observatory computer over to Windows 11 from Windows 10. I have a OnLogic NUC installed in the observatory which has been doing a great job of my imaging setup and of course I just updated my APCC and ASCOM driver following the excellent video instructing how. But a restart just a few minutes ago shows a free upgrade to Windows 11 from the installed Windows 10. I’d really like to not have tons of issues to deal with doing so which is why this email. Is this risky to do or should I stay with the original OS on this 1 year old system which is working well on its own? I do have a few computers that have Windows 11 but those are personal use and not connected to any of the astronomy equipment. Just curious about your experience.

 

If not appropriate for the forum than private responses welcomed.

 

Thanks,

-Steve

--

Bill Long
 

Brian, it'll go fine provided you took the precautions suggested by the diagnostics tool. All of my imaging machines run Windows 11 Pro.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 12:28 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11
 
I appreciate it guys but you might be aware that my job is to install all the new stuff to figure out what works and what doesn’t. I know my computer is Windows 11 compatible I’ve already done all that diagnostics in checks.

I’ll let you know how it goes later

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:01 PM Emilio J. Robau, P.E. <ejr@...> wrote:
Totally agree with Ross.  Leave it alone.  I have two win 11 rig machines and two rig 10 machines.  One mini and one mini tower.  Nothing spectacular about win 11.  Some people say RDP is better and more robust, but I don't notice it.  If your machine is older leave it alone.

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midmoastro
 

Steve, what version of Win10 are you running (winver)? Just curious as two are currently supported below. I've been running Win11 Pro on my NUC for a while with no issues. Works great for me. If you are on a current supported version of Win10, there is no immediate rush to upgrade if you would rather wait.
Todd
Version Start Date End Date
Version 22H2 Oct 18, 2022 May 14, 2024
Version 21H2 Nov 16, 2021 Jun 13, 2023
Version 21H1 May 18, 2021 Dec 13, 2022

Brian Valente
 

just to update:

I upgraded the OnLogic fanless computer from Windows 10 to Windows 11 - just to make it interesting I did it completely remotely using only teamviewer

It worked! Everything booted back up after the install and all applications and 

Back to the OP's original question, APCC Pro/ASCOM still work correctly, on the latest versions. 

I expected as much as I have two other Win 11 computers than run APCC Pro and ASCOM V2 drivers just fine, but good to know the same setup as the op was successfully updated.

Brian


On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:46 PM Brian Valente via groups.io <bvalente=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I appreciate it guys but you might be aware that my job is to install all the new stuff to figure out what works and what doesn’t. I know my computer is Windows 11 compatible I’ve already done all that diagnostics in checks.

I’ll let you know how it goes later

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:01 PM Emilio J. Robau, P.E. <ejr@...> wrote:
Totally agree with Ross.  Leave it alone.  I have two win 11 rig machines and two rig 10 machines.  One mini and one mini tower.  Nothing spectacular about win 11.  Some people say RDP is better and more robust, but I don't notice it.  If your machine is older leave it alone.

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Bill Long
 

Great to hear, Brian.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 3:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11
 
just to update:

I upgraded the OnLogic fanless computer from Windows 10 to Windows 11 - just to make it interesting I did it completely remotely using only teamviewer

It worked! Everything booted back up after the install and all applications and 

Back to the OP's original question, APCC Pro/ASCOM still work correctly, on the latest versions. 

I expected as much as I have two other Win 11 computers than run APCC Pro and ASCOM V2 drivers just fine, but good to know the same setup as the op was successfully updated.

Brian


On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:46 PM Brian Valente via groups.io <bvalente=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I appreciate it guys but you might be aware that my job is to install all the new stuff to figure out what works and what doesn’t. I know my computer is Windows 11 compatible I’ve already done all that diagnostics in checks.

I’ll let you know how it goes later

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:01 PM Emilio J. Robau, P.E. <ejr@...> wrote:
Totally agree with Ross.  Leave it alone.  I have two win 11 rig machines and two rig 10 machines.  One mini and one mini tower.  Nothing spectacular about win 11.  Some people say RDP is better and more robust, but I don't notice it.  If your machine is older leave it alone.

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Steve Reilly
 

According to Windows

 

Edition  Windows 10 Pro

Version 21H2

Installed on         ‎12/‎20/‎2021

OS build               19044.2364

Experience         Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.4190.0

 

On advice I’m holding back on 22H2 based on information on Ask Woody forums. I forget the lady that does the update advisory there.

 

-Steve

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of midmoastro
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 4:51 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11

 

Steve, what version of Win10 are you running (winver)? Just curious as two are currently supported below. I've been running Win11 Pro on my NUC for a while with no issues. Works great for me. If you are on a current supported version of Win10, there is no immediate rush to upgrade if you would rather wait.
Todd

Version

Start Date

End Date

Version 22H2

Oct 18, 2022

May 14, 2024

Version 21H2

Nov 16, 2021

Jun 13, 2023

Version 21H1

May 18, 2021

Dec 13, 2022
Steve Reilly
 

Good to know Brian. I may bite the bullet in a few weeks. That system has little else but observatory and imaging programs on it and I’ll need to do a complete backup before trying anything.

 

-Steve

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 6:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Move to Windows 11

 

just to update:

 

I upgraded the OnLogic fanless computer from Windows 10 to Windows 11 - just to make it interesting I did it completely remotely using only teamviewer

 

It worked! Everything booted back up after the install and all applications and 

 

Back to the OP's original question, APCC Pro/ASCOM still work correctly, on the latest versions. 

 

I expected as much as I have two other Win 11 computers than run APCC Pro and ASCOM V2 drivers just fine, but good to know the same setup as the op was successfully updated.

 

Brian

 

 

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:46 PM Brian Valente via groups.io <bvalente=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I appreciate it guys but you might be aware that my job is to install all the new stuff to figure out what works and what doesn’t. I know my computer is Windows 11 compatible I’ve already done all that diagnostics in checks.

 

I’ll let you know how it goes later

 

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:01 PM Emilio J. Robau, P.E. <ejr@...> wrote:

Totally agree with Ross.  Leave it alone.  I have two win 11 rig machines and two rig 10 machines.  One mini and one mini tower.  Nothing spectacular about win 11.  Some people say RDP is better and more robust, but I don't notice it.  If your machine is older leave it alone.

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