Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600
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DFisch
Frank, that is genius
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please excuse grammar and spell errors
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Jack Huerkamp <Mallincamusa@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 4:24:37 PM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Cc: mallincamusa@... <mallincamusa@...> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600 Frank,
Thanks for pointing this out. I have many of these long clamps in my shop and I never thought about using them to slide the OTAs on the saddles or move the parallel saddle bars using one of them. That will be a big help
Jack
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On Behalf Of Frank Widmann
I meant to post this earlier. With side by side configurations achieving vertical balance in declination is always a challenge, particularly when you change imaging equipment. Getting a heavy equipment load on the side by side dovetail plate to slide a precise distance in the saddle plate can be frustrating. My solution is to use a clamp with hand hand grip. The soft shoes on the grip prevent any damage and allow you to engage the dovetail on one side and the saddle on the other.
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Frank,
Thanks for pointing this out. I have many of these long clamps in my shop and I never thought about using them to slide the OTAs on the saddles or move the parallel saddle bars using one of them. That will be a big help
Jack
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Widmann
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:17 PM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600
I meant to post this earlier. With side by side configurations achieving vertical balance in declination is always a challenge, particularly when you change imaging equipment. Getting a heavy equipment load on the side by side dovetail plate to slide a precise distance in the saddle plate can be frustrating. My solution is to use a clamp with hand hand grip. The soft shoes on the grip prevent any damage and allow you to engage the dovetail on one side and the saddle on the other.
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Frank Widmann
I meant to post this earlier. With side by side configurations achieving vertical balance in declination is always a challenge, particularly when you change imaging equipment. Getting a heavy equipment load on the side by side dovetail plate to slide a precise distance in the saddle plate can be frustrating. My solution is to use a clamp with hand hand grip. The soft shoes on the grip prevent any damage and allow you to engage the dovetail on one side and the saddle on the other.
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Rolando,
Thanks. That is what I thought. George already responded to me in that regard.
But, is there a waiting list for the Quick Release Gearbox Modifications to existing AP1600 mounts? You stated that you were machining spare gearboxes, and I am interested it getting an upgrade when they become available.
Yours truly,
Jack
Jack Huerkamp Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC 38388 Pine Street Pearl River, LA 70452-5192 985-445-5063 30.37N 89.76W
All of us get lost in the darkness. ………………………………….Neil Peart
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roland Christen via groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 10:45 AM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600
No. The saddle always stays on the mount.
Rolando
-----Original Message----- George,
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Roland Christen
Is the Primary Saddle Plate removed from the mount when doing these steps? No. The saddle always stays on the mount.
Rolando
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From: Jack Huerkamp <Mallincamusa@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 7:40 am Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600 George,
I read through the Balancing Side-by-Side procedures you provided a link to and understood everything until I got to Steps 6 through 9. Photos would sure help me visualize what is going on. Is the Primary Saddle Plate removed from the mount when doing these steps? I have the DOVELM162 mounted onto the AP1600 and I think there was only one position I could place it in to allow me to use all the bolt holes tapped in the top of the mount. Yours truly, Jack Huerkamp -- Roland Christen Astro-Physics
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George,
That is what I thought. But reading the PDF you provided a link to got me confused when I got to step 6 and the positioning of the DOVELM163 on the Dec Axis.
Yours truly,
Jack
Jack Huerkamp Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC 38388 Pine Street Pearl River, LA 70452-5192 985-445-5063 30.37N 89.76W
All of us get lost in the darkness. ………………………………….Neil Peart
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 10:07 AM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600
Jack,
No. First you balancing each scope front to back when they are set up exactly as they will be used (and focused), Mark the balance point with blue painter’s tape. Then put them into their saddles at those balance points. Finally set the whole grouping on a dowel rod to find the balance point side to side and mark it with the tape. It can then be set up on the mount and be very close.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
George,
So you assemble everything on the side to side plate – both scopes and accessories – and then place the dowel rod under the assembly and check the balance point for position the side to side plate in the DOVELM162 bolted to the top of the Dec axis. Mark the side to side plate to indicate the balance point.
You can then rotate the dowel rod 90 degrees under the center of the side to side plate to make sure the entire assembly is balanced in the north-south direction. If so, leaving all the makes in place, disassemble the scopes from the side by side plate and reassemble onto the DOVELM162.
If this is correct, I will get help in removing all the scopes, take off the counterweights and counterweight shaft and then do a gear cleaning and lubrication before re-assembling everything.
Yours truly,
Jack
Jack Huerkamp Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC 38388 Pine Street Pearl River, LA 70452-5192 985-445-5063 30.37N 89.76W
All of us get lost in the darkness. ………………………………….Neil Peart
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Jack,
No. Dowel rod under the side-to-side plate.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
George,
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George
Jack,
No. First you balancing each scope front to back when they are set up exactly as they will be used (and focused), Mark the balance point with blue painter’s tape. Then put them into their saddles at those balance points. Finally set the whole grouping on a dowel rod to find the balance point side to side and mark it with the tape. It can then be set up on the mount and be very close.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
George,
So you assemble everything on the side to side plate – both scopes and accessories – and then place the dowel rod under the assembly and check the balance point for position the side to side plate in the DOVELM162 bolted to the top of the Dec axis. Mark the side to side plate to indicate the balance point.
You can then rotate the dowel rod 90 degrees under the center of the side to side plate to make sure the entire assembly is balanced in the north-south direction. If so, leaving all the makes in place, disassemble the scopes from the side by side plate and reassemble onto the DOVELM162.
If this is correct, I will get help in removing all the scopes, take off the counterweights and counterweight shaft and then do a gear cleaning and lubrication before re-assembling everything.
Yours truly,
Jack
Jack Huerkamp Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC 38388 Pine Street Pearl River, LA 70452-5192 985-445-5063 30.37N 89.76W
All of us get lost in the darkness. ………………………………….Neil Peart
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On Behalf Of George
Jack,
No. Dowel rod under the side-to-side plate.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
George,
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George,
So you assemble everything on the side to side plate – both scopes and accessories – and then place the dowel rod under the assembly and check the balance point for position the side to side plate in the DOVELM162 bolted to the top of the Dec axis. Mark the side to side plate to indicate the balance point.
You can then rotate the dowel rod 90 degrees under the center of the side to side plate to make sure the entire assembly is balanced in the north-south direction. If so, leaving all the makes in place, disassemble the scopes from the side by side plate and reassemble onto the DOVELM162.
If this is correct, I will get help in removing all the scopes, take off the counterweights and counterweight shaft and then do a gear cleaning and lubrication before re-assembling everything.
Yours truly,
Jack
Jack Huerkamp Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC 38388 Pine Street Pearl River, LA 70452-5192 985-445-5063 30.37N 89.76W
All of us get lost in the darkness. ………………………………….Neil Peart
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 8:46 AM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600
Jack,
No. Dowel rod under the side-to-side plate.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
George,
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George
Jack,
No. Dowel rod under the side-to-side plate.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
George,
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George,
I read through the Balancing Side-by-Side procedures you provided a link to and understood everything until I got to Steps 6 through 9. Photos would sure help me visualize what is going on. Is the Primary Saddle Plate removed from the mount when doing these steps? I have the DOVELM162 mounted onto the AP1600 and I think there was only one position I could place it in to allow me to use all the bolt holes tapped in the top of the mount. Yours truly, Jack Huerkamp
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Yes the good old days when one had lots of hair with color!  Don Anderson
On Friday, March 12, 2021, 09:32:20 a.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Don,
<G> I am VERY impressed. Oh the memories…just like the one that I had. Sigh…
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
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On Behalf Of Don Anderson via groups.io
You mean like this?
Don Anderson
On Friday, March 12, 2021, 07:57:25 a.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Don,
They were only cool if they were full. <G> …but real cool was the slide rule slung from your belt in its case! Talk about a chick magnet…ah, the old days!
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
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On Behalf Of Don Anderson via groups.io
Pen protectors! Wow that goes back a long ways. i used to wear one every day when I was a TV Technician! Back then I thought they were cool.
Don Anderson
On Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:43:08 p.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Rolando,
I thought everyone carried a dowel rod in their pen protector…oh, wait…I guess that’s a pencil. <G>
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
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On Behalf Of Roland Christen via groups.io
Woops, you beat me to it, George. I call it the pencil balance (i don't always have a dowel rod laying around).
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: George <george@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2021 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600 Guys,
Balance side-to-side setups with a dowel rod on a table and save yourselves the headaches.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
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On Behalf Of Woody Schlom
Jack,
I forgot that you have a side-by-side setup. Those are a bear to balance. As I recall, it took me nearly an hour to get my side-by-side solar setup properly balanced in all directions and axis the first time. And your scopes are so much larger and heavier.
But at least the meter is helping.
All that said, if I could justify the cost, I’d sure like to get the AP gear-release retrofit kit their “new” mounts have.
Woody
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On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Woody,
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Bob
Marj... I think most of us realize it wont be a cookie cutter mod, but well worth the effort and cost. Opposed to the cost of a new mount and of course the biggest advantage... a very accurate balance which would alleviate an aweful lot of headaches!...Ive been asking for several years about this possible mod.... sign me up as well.... pleeeeaaassseee!...lol
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On Mar 12, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Marj Christen <marj@...> wrote:
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George
Don,
<G> I am VERY impressed. Oh the memories…just like the one that I had. Sigh…
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Don Anderson via groups.io
You mean like this?
Don Anderson
On Friday, March 12, 2021, 07:57:25 a.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Don,
They were only cool if they were full. <G> …but real cool was the slide rule slung from your belt in its case! Talk about a chick magnet…ah, the old days!
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Don Anderson via groups.io
Pen protectors! Wow that goes back a long ways. i used to wear one every day when I was a TV Technician! Back then I thought they were cool.
Don Anderson
On Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:43:08 p.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Rolando,
I thought everyone carried a dowel rod in their pen protector…oh, wait…I guess that’s a pencil. <G>
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
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On Behalf Of Roland Christen via groups.io
Woops, you beat me to it, George. I call it the pencil balance (i don't always have a dowel rod laying around).
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: George <george@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2021 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600 Guys,
Balance side-to-side setups with a dowel rod on a table and save yourselves the headaches.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Woody Schlom
Jack,
I forgot that you have a side-by-side setup. Those are a bear to balance. As I recall, it took me nearly an hour to get my side-by-side solar setup properly balanced in all directions and axis the first time. And your scopes are so much larger and heavier.
But at least the meter is helping.
All that said, if I could justify the cost, I’d sure like to get the AP gear-release retrofit kit their “new” mounts have.
Woody
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On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Woody,
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You mean like this? Don Anderson
On Friday, March 12, 2021, 07:57:25 a.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Don,
They were only cool if they were full. <G> …but real cool was the slide rule slung from your belt in its case! Talk about a chick magnet…ah, the old days!
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Don Anderson via groups.io
Pen protectors! Wow that goes back a long ways. i used to wear one every day when I was a TV Technician! Back then I thought they were cool.
Don Anderson
On Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:43:08 p.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Rolando,
I thought everyone carried a dowel rod in their pen protector…oh, wait…I guess that’s a pencil. <G>
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
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On Behalf Of Roland Christen via groups.io
Woops, you beat me to it, George. I call it the pencil balance (i don't always have a dowel rod laying around).
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: George <george@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2021 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600 Guys,
Balance side-to-side setups with a dowel rod on a table and save yourselves the headaches.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
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On Behalf Of Woody Schlom
Jack,
I forgot that you have a side-by-side setup. Those are a bear to balance. As I recall, it took me nearly an hour to get my side-by-side solar setup properly balanced in all directions and axis the first time. And your scopes are so much larger and heavier.
But at least the meter is helping.
All that said, if I could justify the cost, I’d sure like to get the AP gear-release retrofit kit their “new” mounts have.
Woody
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On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Woody,
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Jack and all,
The swap out is not an easy one, which is one of the reasons that we have not offered it yet. Yes, many of the components can be reused (motor assembly, worm gear, spur gears), which will reduce the cost. However, it is likely that the mounts will need to return here in order to swap out the components and to ensure accurate assembly.
Clear Skies,
Marj Christen Astro-Physics, Inc 11250 Forest Hills Rd Machesney Park, IL 61115 Phone: 815-282-1513 Fax: 815-282-9847 www.astro-physics.com
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On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Roland, will this be a simple swap out for current AP1600 owners. I assume that the existing worm gear would be retained and moved to the new housing for the quick release system. Any estimate on price and is there a waiting list for
this retrofit?
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R Botero
I would like to know also; as a new owner of a 1600GTO with original gearboxes, I'm interested.
Thank you Roberto
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George
Jack,
You’re most welcome. Enjoy!
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
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On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
George,
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thefamily90 Phillips
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of George <george@...>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 10:00:40 AM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600 Don,
They were only cool if they were full. <G> …but real cool was the slide rule slung from your belt in its case! Talk about a chick magnet…ah, the old days!
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Don Anderson via groups.io
Pen protectors! Wow that goes back a long ways. i used to wear one every day when I was a TV Technician! Back then I thought they were cool.
Don Anderson
On Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:43:08 p.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Rolando,
I thought everyone carried a dowel rod in their pen protector…oh, wait…I guess that’s a pencil. <G>
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
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On Behalf Of Roland Christen via groups.io
Woops, you beat me to it, George. I call it the pencil balance (i don't always have a dowel rod laying around).
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: George <george@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2021 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600 Guys,
Balance side-to-side setups with a dowel rod on a table and save yourselves the headaches.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
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On Behalf Of Woody Schlom
Jack,
I forgot that you have a side-by-side setup. Those are a bear to balance. As I recall, it took me nearly an hour to get my side-by-side solar setup properly balanced in all directions and axis the first time. And your scopes are so much larger and heavier.
But at least the meter is helping.
All that said, if I could justify the cost, I’d sure like to get the AP gear-release retrofit kit their “new” mounts have.
Woody
From:
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On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Woody,
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George
Don,
They were only cool if they were full. <G> …but real cool was the slide rule slung from your belt in its case! Talk about a chick magnet…ah, the old days!
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Don Anderson via groups.io
Pen protectors! Wow that goes back a long ways. i used to wear one every day when I was a TV Technician! Back then I thought they were cool.
Don Anderson
On Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:43:08 p.m. MST, George <george@...> wrote:
Rolando,
I thought everyone carried a dowel rod in their pen protector…oh, wait…I guess that’s a pencil. <G>
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
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On Behalf Of Roland Christen via groups.io
Woops, you beat me to it, George. I call it the pencil balance (i don't always have a dowel rod laying around).
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: George <george@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2021 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Quick Release Gearbox Modification for Older AP1600 Guys,
Balance side-to-side setups with a dowel rod on a table and save yourselves the headaches.
Regards,
George
George Whitney Astro-Physics, Inc. Phone: 815-222-6538 (direct line) Phone: 815-282-1513 (office) Email: george@...
From:
main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Woody Schlom
Jack,
I forgot that you have a side-by-side setup. Those are a bear to balance. As I recall, it took me nearly an hour to get my side-by-side solar setup properly balanced in all directions and axis the first time. And your scopes are so much larger and heavier.
But at least the meter is helping.
All that said, if I could justify the cost, I’d sure like to get the AP gear-release retrofit kit their “new” mounts have.
Woody
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On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Woody,
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George,
Thanks for posting the link. Jack Huerkamp
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