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How to keep APCC Tracking OFF ?
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Joe Zeglinski
Hi,
similar to the (sometimes undesirable) automatic
Tracking hassle on APCC start up, I dislike the fact that ANY GOTO command
automatically turns Sidereal Tracking back on.
Recently, I was doing some camera check out, focussing
on a distant condo construction crane. Once, after clicking the TOGGLE
Tracking button (off) I got the target in my scope sites, painstakingly using
the direction slew buttons. However, if I adjusted the target, and needed to go
back to the saved RA/AZ coordinates, that GOTO button in that tab, suddenly
turned Sidereal Tracking back on. It was a constant battle to do a “saved”
ALT/AZ GOTO, and quickly toggle the Tracking, before the mount drifted
away from my set target.
Uncomplimentary words were said to APCC !!!
Am I missing something? Is there a setting to keep the
tracking off? I tried to set the tracking to NONE, but the next GOTO still
flipped it back on again.
There are other times where I would like Tracking not to interfere – one
time I was trying to construct an APCC Horizon Limits plot. There
may be other circumstances, where I want total manual control of the mount, via
the APCC rather than a Hand Pad.
How do I kill all APCC Tracking, until I specifically
re-enable that feature?
Joe Z.
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Ray Gralak
Hi Joe,
similar to the (sometimes undesirable) automatic Tracking hassle on APCC start up,APCC gives you full control of the tracking behavior on startup. I just posted three options to choose from. However, if I adjusted the target, and needed to go back to the saved RA/AZ coordinates,If I understand what you are saying, then using any of the mount's move buttons will turn tracking on. That's because to stop a move command when you release a button, the mount must send a "Q" command, which enables tracking. That is the way the firmware works and is not something specific to APCC. -Ray Gralak Author of PEMPro Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver -----Original Message-----
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Hi,
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Why you do not set your special position as a Park Position. So you can be sur that the mount is not moving after reaching that position. ;-)) Grüsse Konstantin v. Poschinger Hammerichstr. 5 22605 Hamburg 040/8805747 0171/1983476
Am 22.11.2020 um 23:11 schrieb Joe Zeglinski <J.Zeglinski@...>:
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Joe Zeglinski
Ray, sorry about my not being clear.
What I meant to say is that after I managed to kill the
tracking by rapidly going to the “Toggle Tracking” button, it would
eventually toggle itself back on, for some reason, EVERY time I
clicked the GOTO button, beside my saved AZ/ALT coordinates, in the
GoTo/ReCal tab. That happened, even while the mount was NOT tracking
at the time. I wasn’t aware that all GOTO’s automatically
re-activate tracking.
That is not to say that I don’t appreciate such a
shortcut. I almost never operate the mount in “non-astronomical mode”, so
triggering tracking lest I should forget to activate it myself, is a nice thing.
I will just have to remember your earlier posted instructions on disabling this
feature, on those rare circumstances when I need the mount to act like a
theodolite.
In between my turning off the tracking, I
was using the MOVE SCOPE section’s direction keys - rather than attaching
my Hand Pad - to adjust my camera pointing at my chosen “land target”.
Then, when I wanted to move it back to its original target starting point AZ/ALT
coordinates, the GOTO beside the AZ/ALT box, made the CP4 jump back into
Sidereal tracking mode.
Trying to get the mount to stand still for that session, became a cat &
mouse game between that GOTO and the TOGGLE TRACKING button.
Meanwhile ....
Yes, I do need to update my APCC PRO software, as
well as the CP4 on my AP-1200.
I noticed an APCC box saying I needed to Update my “Firmware”.
Thinking it wasn’t urgent, I was putting that off a bit, until the new
firmware and manual, which everybody had been talking about, had finally been
officially released.
I wasn’t certain whether that major Firmware update was for everybody’s CP4
& CP5, or was just meant for the CP5 and the Mach-2 mount.
I’ll get on that task this week.
Joe Z.
From: Ray
Gralak
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 5:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] How to keep APCC Tracking OFF
? Hi
Joe, > similar to the (sometimes undesirable) automatic Tracking hassle on APCC start up, APCC gives you full control of the tracking behavior on startup. I just posted three options to choose from. > However, if I adjusted the target, and needed to go back to the saved RA/AZ coordinates, > that GOTO button If I understand what you are saying, then using any of the mount's move buttons will turn tracking on. That's because to stop a move command when you release a button, the mount must send a "Q" command, which enables tracking. That is the way the firmware works and is not something specific to APCC. -Ray Gralak Author of PEMPro Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver > -----Original Message----- > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 2:11 PM > To: ap-gto.groups.io > Subject: [ap-gto] How to keep APCC Tracking OFF ? > > Hi, > similar to the (sometimes undesirable) automatic Tracking hassle on APCC start up, I dislike the fact that ANY > GOTO command automatically turns Sidereal Tracking back on. > > Recently, I was doing some camera check out, focussing on a distant condo construction crane. Once, after > clicking the TOGGLE Tracking button (off) I got the target in my scope sites, painstakingly using the direction slew > buttons. However, if I adjusted the target, and needed to go back to the saved RA/AZ coordinates, that GOTO button > in that tab, suddenly turned Sidereal Tracking back on. It was a constant battle to do a “saved” ALT/AZ GOTO, and > quickly toggle the Tracking, before the mount drifted away from my set target. > Uncomplimentary words were said to APCC !!! > > Am I missing something? Is there a setting to keep the tracking off? I tried to set the tracking to NONE, but the next > GOTO still flipped it back on again. > There are other times where I would like Tracking not to interfere – one time I was trying to construct an APCC > Horizon Limits plot. There may be other circumstances, where I want total manual control of the mount, via the APCC > rather than a Hand Pad. > > How do I kill all APCC Tracking, until I specifically re-enable that feature? > > Joe Z. > > >
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Ray Gralak
Hi Joe,
In between my turning off the tracking, I was using the MOVE SCOPE section’s direction keys - rather thanUnfortunately, I can't seem to recreate this behavior using APCC Pro v1.8.8.3 and firmware VCP4-P01-13. Here is what I did: 1) Unparked and turned off mount tracking. 2) To save the mount's current Alt/Az position, I clicked "Load Mount Alt/Az" on APCC's GoTo/Recal tab. 3) In APCC's "Move Scope" control box, I moved the mount around a bit with the Move buttons. Tracking does not become enabled. 4) Back on the GoTo/ReCal tab, I clicked "Goto" in the Alt/az control box. Again, after the Alt/Az slew finished, tracking does not become enabled. So, please try these steps after you have updated to the latest version of firmware and APCC software. If there is still a problem, send me a link to your logs, and we will take a look. Best regards, -Ray Gralak Author of PEMPro Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver -----Original Message-----
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Roland Christen
Timed moves (such as pushing the E-W buttons on the keypad or on the ASCOM driver) do not change the tracking rate. If you have rate set to zero the mount will remain at zero.
Co-ordinate moves will toggle the rate to sidereal at the end of the move.
Rolando
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From: Joe Zeglinski <J.Zeglinski@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Sent: Sun, Nov 22, 2020 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [ap-gto] How to keep APCC Tracking OFF ? Ray, sorry about my not being clear.
What I meant to say is that after I managed to kill the
tracking by rapidly going to the “Toggle Tracking” button, it would
eventually toggle itself back on, for some reason, EVERY time I
clicked the GOTO button, beside my saved AZ/ALT coordinates, in the
GoTo/ReCal tab. That happened, even while the mount was NOT tracking
at the time. I wasn’t aware that all GOTO’s automatically
re-activate tracking.
That is not to say that I don’t appreciate such a
shortcut. I almost never operate the mount in “non-astronomical mode”, so
triggering tracking lest I should forget to activate it myself, is a nice thing.
I will just have to remember your earlier posted instructions on disabling this
feature, on those rare circumstances when I need the mount to act like a
theodolite.
In between my turning off the tracking, I
was using the MOVE SCOPE section’s direction keys - rather than attaching
my Hand Pad - to adjust my camera pointing at my chosen “land target”.
Then, when I wanted to move it back to its original target starting point AZ/ALT
coordinates, the GOTO beside the AZ/ALT box, made the CP4 jump back into
Sidereal tracking mode.
Trying to get the mount to stand still for that session, became a cat &
mouse game between that GOTO and the TOGGLE TRACKING button.
Meanwhile ....
Yes, I do need to update my APCC PRO software, as
well as the CP4 on my AP-1200.
I noticed an APCC box saying I needed to Update my “Firmware”.
Thinking it wasn’t urgent, I was putting that off a bit, until the new
firmware and manual, which everybody had been talking about, had finally been
officially released.
I wasn’t certain whether that major Firmware update was for everybody’s CP4
& CP5, or was just meant for the CP5 and the Mach-2 mount.
I’ll get on that task this week.
Joe Z.
From: Ray
Gralak
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] How to keep APCC Tracking OFF
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Hi
Joe,
> similar to the (sometimes undesirable) automatic Tracking hassle on APCC start up, APCC gives you full control of the tracking behavior on startup. I just posted three options to choose from. > However, if I adjusted the target, and needed to go back to the saved RA/AZ coordinates, > that GOTO button If I understand what you are saying, then using any of the mount's move buttons will turn tracking on. That's because to stop a move command when you release a button, the mount must send a "Q" command, which enables tracking. That is the way the firmware works and is not something specific to APCC. -Ray Gralak Author of PEMPro Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver > -----Original Message----- > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 2:11 PM > To: ap-gto.groups.io > Subject: [ap-gto] How to keep APCC Tracking OFF ? > > Hi, > similar to the (sometimes undesirable) automatic Tracking hassle on APCC start up, I dislike the fact that ANY > GOTO command automatically turns Sidereal Tracking back on. > > Recently, I was doing some camera check out, focussing on a distant condo construction crane. Once, after > clicking the TOGGLE Tracking button (off) I got the target in my scope sites, painstakingly using the direction slew > buttons. However, if I adjusted the target, and needed to go back to the saved RA/AZ coordinates, that GOTO button > in that tab, suddenly turned Sidereal Tracking back on. It was a constant battle to do a “saved” ALT/AZ GOTO, and > quickly toggle the Tracking, before the mount drifted away from my set target. > Uncomplimentary words were said to APCC !!! > > Am I missing something? Is there a setting to keep the tracking off? I tried to set the tracking to NONE, but the next > GOTO still flipped it back on again. > There are other times where I would like Tracking not to interfere – one time I was trying to construct an APCC > Horizon Limits plot. There may be other circumstances, where I want total manual control of the mount, via the APCC > rather than a Hand Pad. > > How do I kill all APCC Tracking, until I specifically re-enable that feature? > > Joe Z. > > > -- Roland Christen Astro-Physics
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