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Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

Jinyoung,

 

That is a good question. You would only pay the subscription price at that time and you would get all of the features in 1.13, including those from all previous years. There is no extra charge for skipping a year of subscriptions..

 

Clear Skies,

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics

11250 Forest Hills Road

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jinyoung
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 6:04 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

Hi,

Just a quick question. Supposed that I renewed my subscription for the new 1.9. When 1.10 is announced right before expiration, I found new features are not useful for me. So decided not to renew the subscription. And two years later, when 1.13 is announced, I found the new features are what I was looking for. To activate new features in 1.13, I should pay for one subscription renewing (20% of full product price) only or there is an additional cost? 

Thanks,
Jinyoung


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

Here is some handy information regarding the process of purchasing the One-Year License Subscription.

  • Download and install APCC version 1.9.0.x (or later).
  • Launch APCC and click on Help>View/Update License Subscription.  Your current license date will display as well a s list of features that were either enabled or not based on your license date. 
  • Click the Purchase Subscription Renewal button. You will be connected to the appropriate APCC page of the DigitalRiver MyCommerce webpage. 
    IMPORTANT: The email address that you use for this purchase must be the same as the email address in your present APCC License Key. This validates that you presently have a license and are entitled to the renewal. If your address has changed, please update your email address at the following link:  https://apastrosoftware.com/APCC/LicenseHelp/index.html
  • Once you complete your purchase, your new license key will display. You will also receive an email with your license key.
  • Copy and paste it into the Update License Subscription window in APCC (the same window that has the Purchase Subscription Renewal button). 

For additional information, please refer to the Order and FAQ tabs of our APCC website.  

https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc

 

 

Clear Skies,

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics

11250 Forest Hills Road

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marj Christen
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [Special] [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

APCC v1.9 is now available for download at the following links and from the APCC Download Center of our website.

https://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/ApccStandardLatest.exe
https://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/ApccProLatest.exe


This version has several long-awaited and significant new features for APCC Pro:

  •          APCC Pro - Declination-Arc tracking algorithm. This new algorithm is an alternative to the normal all sky tracking model that APCC Pro uses.
  •          APCC Pro - APPM can use ASTAP for plate-solving.
  •          APCC Pro - APPM can use NINA for camera control.
  •          APCC Pro - For third-party satellite trackers, real-time RA/Dec can be returned using the :GRGD# command.

Complete Version History with all updates and bug fixes for APCC Standard and PRO versions:

https://www.astro-physics.info/tech_support/software/apcc/apcc-version-history.pdf


Many thanks to Dale Ghent and Ray Gralak for working together to add NINA camera control to APCC. We know that many APCC users have been very interested in NINA to improve their workflow.

 

Since the introduction of APCC years ago, our website has stated that we intended to offer a subscription renewal option after the first year for approximately 20% of the price.  Many of you have been using APCC for years without any extra charge as we added new features and refined our pointing model.  Many features were suggested by users to streamline their workflow, provide additional information or control, integrate with other complimentary software and to safeguard your system.


The time has now come for us to implement our subscription renewal program so that we can continue to develop new features that our users have requested.


If the date of your APCC license key is August 1, 2020 or later, all of the new features outlined in the version history will be activated when you install v1.9.


If the date of your APCC license key is earlier than August 1, 2020, only the bug fixes and minor updates will be activated. To activate all the new major features, you will need to purchase a one-year renewal subscription. When that process is complete, you will receive a new license that includes the renewal date.


Major points:

  •         Renewal is optional. Your current version of APCC will continue to operate as it always has.
  •         Everyone is entitled to the bug fixes and minor updates of v1.9 and all new versions going forward regardless of whether you renew your subscription or not. We encourage you to keep your software up-to-date.
  •         The process for obtaining the one-year subscription takes you to the DigitalRiver MyCommerce e-commerce website. It is available to you at your convenience and does not require contact with our office.

You probably have many questions about this new process. We have anticipated many of these and encourage you to visit the Order and FAQ tabs of the APCC page on our website. Please take a few moments to read that first before your posting questions here.  

https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc


Thank you for supporting further development of APCC!!

--
Marj Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Jinyoung
 

Hi,

Just a quick question. Supposed that I renewed my subscription for the new 1.9. When 1.10 is announced right before expiration, I found new features are not useful for me. So decided not to renew the subscription. And two years later, when 1.13 is announced, I found the new features are what I was looking for. To activate new features in 1.13, I should pay for one subscription renewing (20% of full product price) only or there is an additional cost? 

Thanks,
Jinyoung


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Bill Long
 

I use models religiously, so the new Dec Arc feature and ASTAP solving is too good to pass up on for me. I did get a free license with my Mach 2 purchase, which was newer than my old license was (my old one was from 2017) so I swapped to that for now and will renew it when the times comes.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of W Hilmo <y.groups@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
 
I apologize if I caused any confusion.

To be clear, this specific model is not "keep paying or lose access".? It's "we need to be paid for our efforts, and we would prefer to make it recurring and not tied to specific major releases".

I understand this model very well, as well as many pieces of software that use it.

As it happens, I have some experience with this model as implemented by a competitor to Astro-Physics.? I recently renewed one of these subscriptions.? In my case, the couple of features that I needed turned out to be not included in the subscription.? They wanted a significant additional cost - and *another* subscription - to get them.? My response was to start migrating away from that software.

While I don't expect that kind of problem with Astro-Physics, the subscription model, in all its forms, is a slippery slope across the industry.? So often, we lose things that end up being significant by looking the other way from a bunch of small things that, taken individually, are not necessarily significant.

My response to that is to stay off the slippery slope.? I've compromised a few times before, as above, and typically regret it.

The thing that I'm wrestling with today is that I have been looking forward to these new features.? I want very much to say "Just take my money!!!", but I don't want to feel like I've sold my soul to support this model.? I honestly don't know how it's going to go...

Finally, I realize that I'm being an idealist here, and am out on the fringe.? But my life has revolved around the software industry in some way or other for nearly 40 years, so I am passionate about it.? It would be far easier for me to just take out my credit card, than to write these two responses.

With that, I don't have anything more to say about it.? My intent was to make one response and be done.? I'm only making a second response to make it clear that I have not misinterpreted the model, and that pointing out other software that uses it does not endear me to it.

On 8/17/21 2:31 PM, Bill Long wrote:
This is an important distinction as it's not like Office 365, for example, where you lose access (other than read only) if your subscription expires. Voyager uses this same model that AP is implementing, as does SkyX, and if I'm not mistaken MaximDL.?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 1:48 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
?
You can continue to use the version that you have forever, without a subscription. All the new features that we developed took a lot of people a lot of effort over the last 2 years. As the state of the art of astronomical imaging advances, we are advancing with it. And it isn't cheap or easy keeping up with you guys. APCC Pro is now incredibly powerful and accurate, just ask George who spent 3 days last week imaging until dawn without ever turning on his guiding software. (hey George, when are you going to process those images?).

I've spent most clear nights this year working with both our 1600 and our Mach2 mounts doing imaging-testing with various scopes, and these new functions work great. Ray has worked tirelessly on developing this program and Marj and others have spent all their spare time bringing it all together. When i mean all their spare time, I mean that Marj worked all thru our vacation, and every day including Saturdays and Sundays for the last 2 years.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: W Hilmo <y.groups@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

This is a difficult response for me to write.

I've been eagerly waiting for some of the new features that are included in this release.? But I'm incredibly disappointed with the change to the business model.

Please understand that this has nothing whatsoever to do with cost.? If you put all that great work into new features, and then called it APCC Pro v2, and set a $200 upgrade cost for the major version change, I would have already purchased it by now.? I absolutely support the fact that the folks that write software should be compensated.? I, myself, have made a very good living writing software.? It's allowed me to own your fine products and to retire while I am young enough to enjoy the freedom.? As such, I am familiar with the economics of software development more than most.

My problem is that I am *very* strongly opposed to any subscription model for software that runs local to my machine.? Note that this is different than paying a subscription cost, say, for content as with a streaming service.? My feelings on this are strong enough, that there are other astronomy software packages that I will never be able to use because I will not support the model.? There are even products from the company that I used to work for, that I will never use for this reason.

Until today, I have had nothing but good feelings about all of my interactions with Astro-Physics and your products.? Now, every time that I run APCC Pro, I'm going to be reminded of this subscription model.

I am very sorry to send this response, but I have enough respect for Astro-Physics that I feel that I should make my feelings known, as it affects my position as a customer.? I do not have any expectation that you will change your model over my feedback, but I needed to get it out there.

Thanks for listening,
-Wade

On 8/17/21 1:02 PM, Marj Christen wrote:
APCC v1.9 is now available for download at the following links and from the APCC Download Center of our website.

This version has several long-awaited and significant new features for APCC Pro:
  • ? ? ? ? ?APCC Pro - Declination-Arc tracking algorithm. This new algorithm is an alternative to the normal all sky tracking model that APCC Pro uses.
  • ? ? ? ? ?APCC Pro - APPM can use ASTAP for plate-solving.
  • ? ? ? ? ?APCC Pro - APPM can use NINA for camera control.
  • ? ? ? ? ?APCC Pro - For third-party satellite trackers, real-time RA/Dec can be returned using the :GRGD# command.
Complete Version History with all updates and bug fixes for APCC Standard and PRO versions:

Many thanks to Dale Ghent and Ray Gralak for working together to add NINA camera control to APCC. We know that many APCC users have been very interested in NINA to improve their workflow.
?
Since the introduction of APCC years ago, our website has stated that we intended to offer a subscription renewal option after the first year for approximately 20% of the price. ?Many of you have been using APCC for years without any extra charge as we added new features and refined our pointing model.? Many features were suggested by users to streamline their workflow, provide additional information or control, integrate with other complimentary software and to safeguard your system.

The time has now come for us to implement our subscription renewal program so that we can continue to develop new features that our users have requested.

If the date of your APCC license key is August 1, 2020 or later, all of the new features outlined in the version history will be activated when you install v1.9.

If the date of your APCC license key is earlier than August 1, 2020, only the bug fixes and minor updates will be activated. To activate all the new major features, you will need to purchase a one-year renewal subscription. When that process is complete, you will receive a new license that includes the renewal date.

Major points:
  • ? ? ? ??Renewal is optional. Your current version of APCC will continue to operate as it always has.
  • ? ? ? ??Everyone is entitled to the bug fixes and minor updates of v1.9 and all new versions going forward regardless of whether you renew your subscription or not. We encourage you to keep your software up-to-date.
  • ? ? ? ? The process for obtaining the one-year subscription takes you to the DigitalRiver MyCommerce e-commerce website. It is available to you at your convenience and does not require contact with our office.
You probably have many questions about this new process. We have anticipated many of these and encourage you to visit the Order and FAQ tabs of the APCC page on our website. Please take a few moments to read that first before your posting questions here. ?

Thank you for supporting further development of APCC!!
--
Marj Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

W Hilmo
 

I apologize if I caused any confusion.

To be clear, this specific model is not "keep paying or lose access".? It's "we need to be paid for our efforts, and we would prefer to make it recurring and not tied to specific major releases".

I understand this model very well, as well as many pieces of software that use it.

As it happens, I have some experience with this model as implemented by a competitor to Astro-Physics.? I recently renewed one of these subscriptions.? In my case, the couple of features that I needed turned out to be not included in the subscription.? They wanted a significant additional cost - and *another* subscription - to get them.? My response was to start migrating away from that software.

While I don't expect that kind of problem with Astro-Physics, the subscription model, in all its forms, is a slippery slope across the industry.? So often, we lose things that end up being significant by looking the other way from a bunch of small things that, taken individually, are not necessarily significant.

My response to that is to stay off the slippery slope.? I've compromised a few times before, as above, and typically regret it.

The thing that I'm wrestling with today is that I have been looking forward to these new features.? I want very much to say "Just take my money!!!", but I don't want to feel like I've sold my soul to support this model.? I honestly don't know how it's going to go...

Finally, I realize that I'm being an idealist here, and am out on the fringe.? But my life has revolved around the software industry in some way or other for nearly 40 years, so I am passionate about it.? It would be far easier for me to just take out my credit card, than to write these two responses.

With that, I don't have anything more to say about it.? My intent was to make one response and be done.? I'm only making a second response to make it clear that I have not misinterpreted the model, and that pointing out other software that uses it does not endear me to it.

On 8/17/21 2:31 PM, Bill Long wrote:
This is an important distinction as it's not like Office 365, for example, where you lose access (other than read only) if your subscription expires. Voyager uses this same model that AP is implementing, as does SkyX, and if I'm not mistaken MaximDL.?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 1:48 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
?
You can continue to use the version that you have forever, without a subscription. All the new features that we developed took a lot of people a lot of effort over the last 2 years. As the state of the art of astronomical imaging advances, we are advancing with it. And it isn't cheap or easy keeping up with you guys. APCC Pro is now incredibly powerful and accurate, just ask George who spent 3 days last week imaging until dawn without ever turning on his guiding software. (hey George, when are you going to process those images?).

I've spent most clear nights this year working with both our 1600 and our Mach2 mounts doing imaging-testing with various scopes, and these new functions work great. Ray has worked tirelessly on developing this program and Marj and others have spent all their spare time bringing it all together. When i mean all their spare time, I mean that Marj worked all thru our vacation, and every day including Saturdays and Sundays for the last 2 years.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: W Hilmo <y.groups@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

This is a difficult response for me to write.

I've been eagerly waiting for some of the new features that are included in this release.? But I'm incredibly disappointed with the change to the business model.

Please understand that this has nothing whatsoever to do with cost.? If you put all that great work into new features, and then called it APCC Pro v2, and set a $200 upgrade cost for the major version change, I would have already purchased it by now.? I absolutely support the fact that the folks that write software should be compensated.? I, myself, have made a very good living writing software.? It's allowed me to own your fine products and to retire while I am young enough to enjoy the freedom.? As such, I am familiar with the economics of software development more than most.

My problem is that I am *very* strongly opposed to any subscription model for software that runs local to my machine.? Note that this is different than paying a subscription cost, say, for content as with a streaming service.? My feelings on this are strong enough, that there are other astronomy software packages that I will never be able to use because I will not support the model.? There are even products from the company that I used to work for, that I will never use for this reason.

Until today, I have had nothing but good feelings about all of my interactions with Astro-Physics and your products.? Now, every time that I run APCC Pro, I'm going to be reminded of this subscription model.

I am very sorry to send this response, but I have enough respect for Astro-Physics that I feel that I should make my feelings known, as it affects my position as a customer.? I do not have any expectation that you will change your model over my feedback, but I needed to get it out there.

Thanks for listening,
-Wade

On 8/17/21 1:02 PM, Marj Christen wrote:
APCC v1.9 is now available for download at the following links and from the APCC Download Center of our website.

This version has several long-awaited and significant new features for APCC Pro:
  • ? ? ? ? ?APCC Pro - Declination-Arc tracking algorithm. This new algorithm is an alternative to the normal all sky tracking model that APCC Pro uses.
  • ? ? ? ? ?APCC Pro - APPM can use ASTAP for plate-solving.
  • ? ? ? ? ?APCC Pro - APPM can use NINA for camera control.
  • ? ? ? ? ?APCC Pro - For third-party satellite trackers, real-time RA/Dec can be returned using the :GRGD# command.
Complete Version History with all updates and bug fixes for APCC Standard and PRO versions:

Many thanks to Dale Ghent and Ray Gralak for working together to add NINA camera control to APCC. We know that many APCC users have been very interested in NINA to improve their workflow.
?
Since the introduction of APCC years ago, our website has stated that we intended to offer a subscription renewal option after the first year for approximately 20% of the price. ?Many of you have been using APCC for years without any extra charge as we added new features and refined our pointing model.? Many features were suggested by users to streamline their workflow, provide additional information or control, integrate with other complimentary software and to safeguard your system.

The time has now come for us to implement our subscription renewal program so that we can continue to develop new features that our users have requested.

If the date of your APCC license key is August 1, 2020 or later, all of the new features outlined in the version history will be activated when you install v1.9.

If the date of your APCC license key is earlier than August 1, 2020, only the bug fixes and minor updates will be activated. To activate all the new major features, you will need to purchase a one-year renewal subscription. When that process is complete, you will receive a new license that includes the renewal date.

Major points:
  • ? ? ? ??Renewal is optional. Your current version of APCC will continue to operate as it always has.
  • ? ? ? ??Everyone is entitled to the bug fixes and minor updates of v1.9 and all new versions going forward regardless of whether you renew your subscription or not. We encourage you to keep your software up-to-date.
  • ? ? ? ? The process for obtaining the one-year subscription takes you to the DigitalRiver MyCommerce e-commerce website. It is available to you at your convenience and does not require contact with our office.
You probably have many questions about this new process. We have anticipated many of these and encourage you to visit the Order and FAQ tabs of the APCC page on our website. Please take a few moments to read that first before your posting questions here. ?

Thank you for supporting further development of APCC!!
--
Marj Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Bill Long
 

Very impressive. I'll have to give it a go. 😁


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:41 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
 
Dec arc tracking works extremely well. With a good model I have tracked an image for 1 hour with round stars with my 160EDF refractor. at 1000mm focal length.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

I wonder how Dec Arc tracking compares?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
 
full sky modeling supersedes king rate, and be more accurate as well



On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:16 PM <skester@...> wrote:
I agree that this model seems a good compromise between cost and continued development.

Now new a functionality question. On a scale of 1 to 10, if full sky model tracking is a 10 and sidereal is a 1, where would using the new "King rate" fall?


--
Brian 



Brian Valente

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Roland Christen
 

King rate only compensates for RA, does nothing for Dec. It is an approximation at best, but may suffice for short unguided subs if polar alignment is spot on.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: poor grammar :)]
full sky modeling supersedes king rate, and is more accurate as well
 
 

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:16 PM <skester@...> wrote:
I agree that this model seems a good compromise between cost and continued development.

Now new a functionality question. On a scale of 1 to 10, if full sky model tracking is a 10 and sidereal is a 1, where would using the new "King rate" fall?
 
 

 
--
Brian 
 
 
 
Brian Valente

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Roland Christen
 

Dec arc tracking works extremely well. With a good model I have tracked an image for 1 hour with round stars with my 160EDF refractor. at 1000mm focal length.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

I wonder how Dec Arc tracking compares?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
 
full sky modeling supersedes king rate, and be more accurate as well



On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:16 PM <skester@...> wrote:
I agree that this model seems a good compromise between cost and continued development.

Now new a functionality question. On a scale of 1 to 10, if full sky model tracking is a 10 and sidereal is a 1, where would using the new "King rate" fall?


--
Brian 



Brian Valente

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Bill Long
 

I wonder how Dec Arc tracking compares?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
 
full sky modeling supersedes king rate, and be more accurate as well



On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:16 PM <skester@...> wrote:
I agree that this model seems a good compromise between cost and continued development.

Now new a functionality question. On a scale of 1 to 10, if full sky model tracking is a 10 and sidereal is a 1, where would using the new "King rate" fall?



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 
Edited

full sky modeling supersedes king rate, and is more accurate as well
 
 

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:16 PM <skester@...> wrote:
I agree that this model seems a good compromise between cost and continued development.

Now new a functionality question. On a scale of 1 to 10, if full sky model tracking is a 10 and sidereal is a 1, where would using the new "King rate" fall?

 

 


 
--
Brian 
 
 
 
Brian Valente


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Bill Long
 

This is an important distinction as it's not like Office 365, for example, where you lose access (other than read only) if your subscription expires. Voyager uses this same model that AP is implementing, as does SkyX, and if I'm not mistaken MaximDL. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 1:48 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
 
You can continue to use the version that you have forever, without a subscription. All the new features that we developed took a lot of people a lot of effort over the last 2 years. As the state of the art of astronomical imaging advances, we are advancing with it. And it isn't cheap or easy keeping up with you guys. APCC Pro is now incredibly powerful and accurate, just ask George who spent 3 days last week imaging until dawn without ever turning on his guiding software. (hey George, when are you going to process those images?).

I've spent most clear nights this year working with both our 1600 and our Mach2 mounts doing imaging-testing with various scopes, and these new functions work great. Ray has worked tirelessly on developing this program and Marj and others have spent all their spare time bringing it all together. When i mean all their spare time, I mean that Marj worked all thru our vacation, and every day including Saturdays and Sundays for the last 2 years.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: W Hilmo <y.groups@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

This is a difficult response for me to write.

I've been eagerly waiting for some of the new features that are included in this release.  But I'm incredibly disappointed with the change to the business model.

Please understand that this has nothing whatsoever to do with cost.  If you put all that great work into new features, and then called it APCC Pro v2, and set a $200 upgrade cost for the major version change, I would have already purchased it by now.  I absolutely support the fact that the folks that write software should be compensated.  I, myself, have made a very good living writing software.  It's allowed me to own your fine products and to retire while I am young enough to enjoy the freedom.  As such, I am familiar with the economics of software development more than most.

My problem is that I am *very* strongly opposed to any subscription model for software that runs local to my machine.  Note that this is different than paying a subscription cost, say, for content as with a streaming service.  My feelings on this are strong enough, that there are other astronomy software packages that I will never be able to use because I will not support the model.  There are even products from the company that I used to work for, that I will never use for this reason.

Until today, I have had nothing but good feelings about all of my interactions with Astro-Physics and your products.  Now, every time that I run APCC Pro, I'm going to be reminded of this subscription model.

I am very sorry to send this response, but I have enough respect for Astro-Physics that I feel that I should make my feelings known, as it affects my position as a customer.  I do not have any expectation that you will change your model over my feedback, but I needed to get it out there.

Thanks for listening,
-Wade

On 8/17/21 1:02 PM, Marj Christen wrote:
APCC v1.9 is now available for download at the following links and from the APCC Download Center of our website.

This version has several long-awaited and significant new features for APCC Pro:
  •          APCC Pro - Declination-Arc tracking algorithm. This new algorithm is an alternative to the normal all sky tracking model that APCC Pro uses.
  •          APCC Pro - APPM can use ASTAP for plate-solving.
  •          APCC Pro - APPM can use NINA for camera control.
  •          APCC Pro - For third-party satellite trackers, real-time RA/Dec can be returned using the :GRGD# command.
Complete Version History with all updates and bug fixes for APCC Standard and PRO versions:

Many thanks to Dale Ghent and Ray Gralak for working together to add NINA camera control to APCC. We know that many APCC users have been very interested in NINA to improve their workflow.
 
Since the introduction of APCC years ago, our website has stated that we intended to offer a subscription renewal option after the first year for approximately 20% of the price.  Many of you have been using APCC for years without any extra charge as we added new features and refined our pointing model.  Many features were suggested by users to streamline their workflow, provide additional information or control, integrate with other complimentary software and to safeguard your system.

The time has now come for us to implement our subscription renewal program so that we can continue to develop new features that our users have requested.

If the date of your APCC license key is August 1, 2020 or later, all of the new features outlined in the version history will be activated when you install v1.9.

If the date of your APCC license key is earlier than August 1, 2020, only the bug fixes and minor updates will be activated. To activate all the new major features, you will need to purchase a one-year renewal subscription. When that process is complete, you will receive a new license that includes the renewal date.

Major points:
  •         Renewal is optional. Your current version of APCC will continue to operate as it always has.
  •         Everyone is entitled to the bug fixes and minor updates of v1.9 and all new versions going forward regardless of whether you renew your subscription or not. We encourage you to keep your software up-to-date.
  •         The process for obtaining the one-year subscription takes you to the DigitalRiver MyCommerce e-commerce website. It is available to you at your convenience and does not require contact with our office.
You probably have many questions about this new process. We have anticipated many of these and encourage you to visit the Order and FAQ tabs of the APCC page on our website. Please take a few moments to read that first before your posting questions here.  

Thank you for supporting further development of APCC!!
--
Marj Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

skester@...
 

I agree that this model seems a good compromise between cost and continued development.

Now new a functionality question. On a scale of 1 to 10, if full sky model tracking is a 10 and sidereal is a 1, where would using the new "King rate" fall?


Re: Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

Cheng-Yang Tan
 

OK, I got a hold one of the mech. eng. that I work with. He works with SS all the time and here's what he said about preventing galling by changing materials used for the sleeve:

(1) Brass. Soft and will still have the cross threading problem like Aluminium.
(2) Silicon Bronze. It is as strong as SS. But it's a lot more expensive than SS.
(3) Zinc coated Steel. Cheap, but zinc will wear down over time and so will need to be replaced.
(4) Black oxide steel. Cheap, but has the same problem as zinc coated SS.


I also asked him about whether having a very clean surface will help prevent galling. Surprisingly, the answer is "No". The problem is that SS surfaces don't get oxidized to form a lube layer. So, in fact, dirt actually helps lube the surface to prevent galling. (The tech I worked with actually said the same thing).

As usual, since I'm clearly not a mechanical engineer, and all round klutz, YMMV :)

cytan








On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 03:53:26 PM CDT, Don Anderson via groups.io <jockey_ca@...> wrote:


Good articles on galling Cytan. Thread galling is a potential problem with any metal threaded joint but is particularly problematic with SS due the the properties of this SS.
If I had to guess, it is likely you had some contamination in the threads possibly a metal shaving which caused damage to the threads. Once you tried to back it out, the threads became galled. Another possibility is when you last 
installed the shaft that the flat faced surfaces were not fully mated; if they weren't, and there was a gap, it is possible the counter weights pulling down on the pin of the shaft damaged the threads on the the shaft or adapter or both.

I thing the take away on all of this is to insure that the threads (shaft and adapter) are scrupulously clean. I would apply a little anti seize compound and only make up the joint hand tight. Make sure the two flat faced surfaces on
the shaft and adapter are fully mated with a fibre washer in between. 
Just some ideas.
  

Don Anderson


On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 01:28:35 p.m. MDT, Cheng-Yang Tan via groups.io <cytan299@...> wrote:


The techs I work with use a lot of SS here (vacuum compatibility) and those threaded SS parts easily seize up and gall. That's why they use anti-seize.

Here's a few links that talk about SS on SS:




The mech. eng. whom are nowhere to be found today. I'll get back to you after I talk to them.


cytan



On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 02:19:51 PM CDT, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:



I thought I had heard it about because SS on SS is always prone to galling
I have never experienced that. SS is quite hard and does not gall in my experience.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheng-Yang Tan via groups.io <cytan299@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

Hi Rolando,

This thing about using brass could be an old wive's tale that I thought I had heard it about because SS on SS is always prone to galling. Let me talk to the mech. eng. that I work with to see what they think.

It's definitely possible that it is dirt that caused the seizure, but it could easily be the SS on SS galling problem.

Just out of curiosity, do you use any type of grease or anti-seize on the threads of the CW shaft? 

cytan


On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 12:22:52 PM CDT, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:



 Do you think that a brass insert might actually be better rather than SS?
In talking with our machinists here, they don't think that using different materials will prevent this. It appears some contaminant was present on the threads which then locked up the shaft inside the adapter. Putting graphite on the threads may have attracted or held a bit of metal or other contaminant.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheng-Yang Tan via groups.io <cytan299@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

Hi Rolando,
   Believe me, I stopped once I felt it got stuck. I know enough to know when to stop :) But I guess, I wasn't fast enough ..,

   Do you think that a brass insert might actually be better rather than SS? The brass insert will just be a perishable that needs to be replaced once every few years.

cytan



On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 11:39:42 AM CDT, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:



The more important question, is how to not do this again.
If it doesn't thread in easily, don't force it. Unscrew it before it galls the metal and clean out whatever is causing it to not thread in.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheng-Yang Tan via groups.io <cytan299@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

I owe the guys doughnuts :)

I'll have to ask a real machinist to do this and that'll cost me lunch :) 

I have to get a new CW adapter anyways, so it's more cost effective to buy both directly from AP.

The more important question, is how to not do this again.

Suggestions?

cytan

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 11:29:09 AM CDT, Geert <geert.vandenbulcke@...> wrote:




You still have a perfectly good counterweight shaft if the machineshop cuts new thread on it, it will only be some inches shorter.

Geert

--------

cytan

P.S. I'll be ordering a new CW shaft + adapter today ...


--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

Don Anderson
 

Great presentation Chris!

Don Anderson


On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 02:36:54 p.m. MDT, Christopher Erickson <christopher.k.erickson@...> wrote:


Many moons ago when I was learning machining under the tutelage of a master gunsmith, I learned that all stainless steel and aluminum formulas, at the microscopic level, actually "tear" instead of smoothly cut when machined. This tearing leaves a microscopic feathered surface that can catch and "cold-weld" with other machined aluminum or stainless steel surfaces when they are pulled across each other under pressure. For many years, this characteristic of stainless and aluminum prevented them from being used in many applications and especially in firearms. Sturm Ruger eventually developed a proprietary process of casting stainless in such a way that the cast parts didn't have a feathered surface and could be cast within .001" accuracy. This allowed stainless parts to be put in mechanisms where they would be sliding back and forth or around other stainless parts, without galling or cold-welding. 

Aluminum is a bit different. Because it is softer, springier and has a lower melting point, it can gall in more situations than stainless steel.

I also learned that careful polishing of machined stainless or aluminum parts that knocked down the feathered surface considerably decrease galling. But not prevent it 100%.

Also that using two different stainless formulas with different feathering characteristics on mating parts could help a bit.

Also that machining at angles that didn't result in feathers squarely facing each other helped. But that's just about impossible to do in thread cutting.

About the best thing I found was coating/impregnating the polished or unpolished stainless/aluminum surfaces with Teflon. And if you can't do that, use a Teflon-based lubricant between the two searing surfaces. My favorite Teflon lubricant is Break-Free CLP. One or more drops at the point where the two threads first meet does an amazing job of minimizing galling.

One usually-effective way of preventing stainless steel and/or aluminum threads from galling is to machine them with a tiny bit of extra clearance so they don't ever have enough pressure between them to allow the feathered surfaces to cold-weld to each other. However this approach fails in threaded parts if there ends up being any contamination in the threads, such as aluminum slivers from the last threaded aluminum hole. And I think this is exactly what happened to this particular counterweight shaft and adapter.

How to prevent galling (cold-welding) of AP stainless counterweight shafts and stainless threaded collars? My suggestion would be to carefully inspect and clean the threads of your counterweight shaft with stainless steel brush (fiber or brass brush would be too soft) to make sure there is no contamination or slivers of aluminum left over from the damaged aluminum threaded hole of the old counterweight shaft adapter. Then I would add a couple drops of Break-Free CLP or some other Teflon- based lubricant to the threads before putting them together.

And it is possible to have a sliver of aluminum cold-welded into the thread grooves on your counterweight shaft. If you see that with your 2.5+ reading glasses or magnifying loupe, I would use an Xacto-knife to cut and work it out of the stainless threads before screwing your counterweight shaft into the new stainless adapter. A threading die (1.125x14?) would be the best way to quickly and easily remove the aluminum contamination from the threads, if you had one.

I hope this helps.

"My advice is always free and worth every penny!"

-Christopher Erickson
Observatory Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, Hawaii


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Bill Long
 

It is great to hear that 1.9 is available. I am looking forward to using the new features. I have no issue with paying for the upgrades over time, especially considering it is a choice I can make depending on the features available as new versions are released. It is also great to hear that bugfixes will continue to be available, even if ones subscription is not active for some reason.

APCC has grown leaps and bounds in the years I have been using it, especially with respect to unguided imaging, and all of that certainly comes at a cost. Other software programs I use for Astro have similar models, where you can continue to use the current version you have with no limitations. I think that is a fair and equitable way to keep improvements coming along.

Bill 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of ap@... <ap@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC
 

Thank you.  W Hilmo will obviously need to speak for themself, but to me this takes all the sting out of “subscription” models. 

 

It’s more like an (optional) recurring maintenance fee that allows you perpetual rights to the upgrades that come out in that time frame.   

 

Personally I find nothing objectionable to that model.  Free is better, but free is unsustainable.  I certainly want you sustained.

 

Thanks for clarifying.

 

Linwood

 

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Christen via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

Hello Linwood,

 

Using your example below, at the end of the year, lacking renewal, all 1.9 features will continue to work forever.  If 1.10 comes out after your 1-year boundary (which is different for each person), those features will not be activated without renewal. 

 

Bug fixes and minor updates are available to everyone, all the time.

 

Thanks for asking!

Karen

AP

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of ap@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 3:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

Re W Hilmo’s comments and subscriptions:

 

For clarity, can I ask about an example?   I read the FAQ and still unsure.

 

Example (and maybe my terms are wrong):   One buys a 1 year subscription to include V1.9 features.

 

At the end of the year, lacking renewal, do the 1.9 features stop working?

 

Or lacking renewal, you just don’t get 1.10 features if it comes out after the year boundary.

 

To me it’s a subscription only if 1.9 features stop working.  Otherwise it is sort of a prepaid support/upgrade agreement.

 

The flavor of the words in the FAQ imply it is the latter, which is not the kind of subscription model most people object to, where things just stop working.

 

Linwood

 


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Karen Christen
 

Hello Marcelo,

 

The one-year renewal subscription applies to all APCC licenses, whether included with a mount or purchased separately.  Does that answer your question?

Karen

AP

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marcelo Figueroa via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

What about APCC Pro/APPM that comes included with the purchase of a mount, such as the Mach2?. I don't see anything mentioned about it in the FAQ.

 

 

Thanks,


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

Marcelo Figueroa
 

What about APCC Pro/APPM that comes included with the purchase of a mount, such as the Mach2?. I don't see anything mentioned about it in the FAQ.
 
 
Thanks,


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

This is great news and a great deal - thanks Marj and Team



Brian


On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:02 PM Marj Christen <marj@...> wrote:

APCC v1.9 is now available for download at the following links and from the APCC Download Center of our website.

https://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/ApccStandardLatest.exe
https://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/ApccProLatest.exe


This version has several long-awaited and significant new features for APCC Pro:

  •          APCC Pro - Declination-Arc tracking algorithm. This new algorithm is an alternative to the normal all sky tracking model that APCC Pro uses.
  •          APCC Pro - APPM can use ASTAP for plate-solving.
  •          APCC Pro - APPM can use NINA for camera control.
  •          APCC Pro - For third-party satellite trackers, real-time RA/Dec can be returned using the :GRGD# command.

Complete Version History with all updates and bug fixes for APCC Standard and PRO versions:

https://www.astro-physics.info/tech_support/software/apcc/apcc-version-history.pdf


Many thanks to Dale Ghent and Ray Gralak for working together to add NINA camera control to APCC. We know that many APCC users have been very interested in NINA to improve their workflow.

 

Since the introduction of APCC years ago, our website has stated that we intended to offer a subscription renewal option after the first year for approximately 20% of the price.  Many of you have been using APCC for years without any extra charge as we added new features and refined our pointing model.  Many features were suggested by users to streamline their workflow, provide additional information or control, integrate with other complimentary software and to safeguard your system.


The time has now come for us to implement our subscription renewal program so that we can continue to develop new features that our users have requested.


If the date of your APCC license key is August 1, 2020 or later, all of the new features outlined in the version history will be activated when you install v1.9.


If the date of your APCC license key is earlier than August 1, 2020, only the bug fixes and minor updates will be activated. To activate all the new major features, you will need to purchase a one-year renewal subscription. When that process is complete, you will receive a new license that includes the renewal date.


Major points:

  •         Renewal is optional. Your current version of APCC will continue to operate as it always has.
  •         Everyone is entitled to the bug fixes and minor updates of v1.9 and all new versions going forward regardless of whether you renew your subscription or not. We encourage you to keep your software up-to-date.
  •         The process for obtaining the one-year subscription takes you to the DigitalRiver MyCommerce e-commerce website. It is available to you at your convenience and does not require contact with our office.

You probably have many questions about this new process. We have anticipated many of these and encourage you to visit the Order and FAQ tabs of the APCC page on our website. Please take a few moments to read that first before your posting questions here.  

https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc


Thank you for supporting further development of APCC!!

--
Marj Christen
Astro-Physics



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

Don Anderson
 

Good articles on galling Cytan. Thread galling is a potential problem with any metal threaded joint but is particularly problematic with SS due the the properties of this SS.
If I had to guess, it is likely you had some contamination in the threads possibly a metal shaving which caused damage to the threads. Once you tried to back it out, the threads became galled. Another possibility is when you last 
installed the shaft that the flat faced surfaces were not fully mated; if they weren't, and there was a gap, it is possible the counter weights pulling down on the pin of the shaft damaged the threads on the the shaft or adapter or both.

I thing the take away on all of this is to insure that the threads (shaft and adapter) are scrupulously clean. I would apply a little anti seize compound and only make up the joint hand tight. Make sure the two flat faced surfaces on
the shaft and adapter are fully mated with a fibre washer in between. 
Just some ideas.
  

Don Anderson


On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 01:28:35 p.m. MDT, Cheng-Yang Tan via groups.io <cytan299@...> wrote:


The techs I work with use a lot of SS here (vacuum compatibility) and those threaded SS parts easily seize up and gall. That's why they use anti-seize.

Here's a few links that talk about SS on SS:




The mech. eng. whom are nowhere to be found today. I'll get back to you after I talk to them.


cytan



On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 02:19:51 PM CDT, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:



I thought I had heard it about because SS on SS is always prone to galling
I have never experienced that. SS is quite hard and does not gall in my experience.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheng-Yang Tan via groups.io <cytan299@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

Hi Rolando,

This thing about using brass could be an old wive's tale that I thought I had heard it about because SS on SS is always prone to galling. Let me talk to the mech. eng. that I work with to see what they think.

It's definitely possible that it is dirt that caused the seizure, but it could easily be the SS on SS galling problem.

Just out of curiosity, do you use any type of grease or anti-seize on the threads of the CW shaft? 

cytan


On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 12:22:52 PM CDT, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:



 Do you think that a brass insert might actually be better rather than SS?
In talking with our machinists here, they don't think that using different materials will prevent this. It appears some contaminant was present on the threads which then locked up the shaft inside the adapter. Putting graphite on the threads may have attracted or held a bit of metal or other contaminant.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheng-Yang Tan via groups.io <cytan299@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

Hi Rolando,
   Believe me, I stopped once I felt it got stuck. I know enough to know when to stop :) But I guess, I wasn't fast enough ..,

   Do you think that a brass insert might actually be better rather than SS? The brass insert will just be a perishable that needs to be replaced once every few years.

cytan



On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 11:39:42 AM CDT, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:



The more important question, is how to not do this again.
If it doesn't thread in easily, don't force it. Unscrew it before it galls the metal and clean out whatever is causing it to not thread in.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheng-Yang Tan via groups.io <cytan299@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Ugghhh cross threaded CW shaft into CW shaft adapter with metal threaded sleeve

I owe the guys doughnuts :)

I'll have to ask a real machinist to do this and that'll cost me lunch :) 

I have to get a new CW adapter anyways, so it's more cost effective to buy both directly from AP.

The more important question, is how to not do this again.

Suggestions?

cytan

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 11:29:09 AM CDT, Geert <geert.vandenbulcke@...> wrote:




You still have a perfectly good counterweight shaft if the machineshop cuts new thread on it, it will only be some inches shorter.

Geert

--------

cytan

P.S. I'll be ordering a new CW shaft + adapter today ...


--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Thank you.  W Hilmo will obviously need to speak for themself, but to me this takes all the sting out of “subscription” models. 

 

It’s more like an (optional) recurring maintenance fee that allows you perpetual rights to the upgrades that come out in that time frame.   

 

Personally I find nothing objectionable to that model.  Free is better, but free is unsustainable.  I certainly want you sustained.

 

Thanks for clarifying.

 

Linwood

 

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Christen via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

Hello Linwood,

 

Using your example below, at the end of the year, lacking renewal, all 1.9 features will continue to work forever.  If 1.10 comes out after your 1-year boundary (which is different for each person), those features will not be activated without renewal. 

 

Bug fixes and minor updates are available to everyone, all the time.

 

Thanks for asking!

Karen

AP

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of ap@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 3:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC v1.9 and one-year renewal subscriptions #APCC

 

Re W Hilmo’s comments and subscriptions:

 

For clarity, can I ask about an example?   I read the FAQ and still unsure.

 

Example (and maybe my terms are wrong):   One buys a 1 year subscription to include V1.9 features.

 

At the end of the year, lacking renewal, do the 1.9 features stop working?

 

Or lacking renewal, you just don’t get 1.10 features if it comes out after the year boundary.

 

To me it’s a subscription only if 1.9 features stop working.  Otherwise it is sort of a prepaid support/upgrade agreement.

 

The flavor of the words in the FAQ imply it is the latter, which is not the kind of subscription model most people object to, where things just stop working.

 

Linwood

 


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics

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