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Re: Autoguiding with a Sky Model in Place?

Phillip Klein
 

Hi Craig,

Yes I do see the spiking as you described. Could you please tell me where to find the setting to have a delay? I did not see it when looking under the Brain in PhD2.

Thank you,

Phillip

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:59 AM Craig Anderson <craig@...> wrote:
Phillip,

Is your auto-guiding graphc really “spiky”, flipping back and forth over the centerline? If it is, then you might try introducing a short delay after each auto-guiding correction. I noticed that adding a 3 second delay after auto-guiding corrections on my AP1600 AE mount significantly smoothed it out my auto-guiding. I’m not sure why, but it was pretty noticeable. It was almost like the mount was always overshooting, and adding that delay eliminated that affect. Changing my auto-guider exposure didn’t make much difference, but adding that delay seemed to do the trick.

I hope that helps,

-Craig

On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Phillip Klein <klein.phillip@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

Recently, I upgraded to APCCPro and used the pointing model as well. While tthe PhD2 guiding graph did improve t(flatten) he RMS value remains around 1" like your experience. I would be interested to learn if there is something I can do to improve the guiding.

Thank you,

Phillip

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:34 AM Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I recently completed my first APPM model with my Mach2. It really appears to help my pointing and guiding, with round stars on 5-minute unguided subs. However when I tried to introduce guiding with PHD2 or MaximDL, using the same settings as before, my RMS jumps to 1” or more where I was getting under 0.6” without the model. I’m using an OAG with Ultrastar on a 130GTX and f/6.7 field flattener. Any suggestions? Maybe just go without guiding? I like to use for minor corrections and dithering. 


wayne





Carry handle for the 92mm Stowaway

Harley Davidson
 

I came up with a removable handle to safely carry and mount the 92mm Stowaway refractor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyZPFgAQ0iQ

tony


Re: Autoguiding with a Sky Model in Place?

Craig Anderson
 

Phillip,

Is your auto-guiding graphc really “spiky”, flipping back and forth over the centerline? If it is, then you might try introducing a short delay after each auto-guiding correction. I noticed that adding a 3 second delay after auto-guiding corrections on my AP1600 AE mount significantly smoothed it out my auto-guiding. I’m not sure why, but it was pretty noticeable. It was almost like the mount was always overshooting, and adding that delay eliminated that affect. Changing my auto-guider exposure didn’t make much difference, but adding that delay seemed to do the trick.

I hope that helps,

-Craig

On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Phillip Klein <klein.phillip@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

Recently, I upgraded to APCCPro and used the pointing model as well. While tthe PhD2 guiding graph did improve t(flatten) he RMS value remains around 1" like your experience. I would be interested to learn if there is something I can do to improve the guiding.

Thank you,

Phillip

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:34 AM Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I recently completed my first APPM model with my Mach2. It really appears to help my pointing and guiding, with round stars on 5-minute unguided subs. However when I tried to introduce guiding with PHD2 or MaximDL, using the same settings as before, my RMS jumps to 1” or more where I was getting under 0.6” without the model. I’m using an OAG with Ultrastar on a 130GTX and f/6.7 field flattener. Any suggestions? Maybe just go without guiding? I like to use for minor corrections and dithering. 


wayne





Re: Autoguiding with a Sky Model in Place?

Phillip Klein
 

Hi Wayne,

Recently, I upgraded to APCCPro and used the pointing model as well. While tthe PhD2 guiding graph did improve t(flatten) he RMS value remains around 1" like your experience. I would be interested to learn if there is something I can do to improve the guiding.

Thank you,

Phillip

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:34 AM Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I recently completed my first APPM model with my Mach2. It really appears to help my pointing and guiding, with round stars on 5-minute unguided subs. However when I tried to introduce guiding with PHD2 or MaximDL, using the same settings as before, my RMS jumps to 1” or more where I was getting under 0.6” without the model. I’m using an OAG with Ultrastar on a 130GTX and f/6.7 field flattener. Any suggestions? Maybe just go without guiding? I like to use for minor corrections and dithering. 


wayne


Re: Autoguiding with a Sky Model in Place?

Roland Christen
 

Contact me directly so that our software engineer and myself can study your results.

Roland Christen



-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 1:34 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Autoguiding with a Sky Model in Place?

I recently completed my first APPM model with my Mach2. It really appears to help my pointing and guiding, with round stars on 5-minute unguided subs. However when I tried to introduce guiding with PHD2 or MaximDL, using the same settings as before, my RMS jumps to 1” or more where I was getting under 0.6” without the model. I’m using an OAG with Ultrastar on a 130GTX and f/6.7 field flattener. Any suggestions? Maybe just go without guiding? I like to use for minor corrections and dithering. 

wayne


Autoguiding with a Sky Model in Place?

Wayne Hixson
 

I recently completed my first APPM model with my Mach2. It really appears to help my pointing and guiding, with round stars on 5-minute unguided subs. However when I tried to introduce guiding with PHD2 or MaximDL, using the same settings as before, my RMS jumps to 1” or more where I was getting under 0.6” without the model. I’m using an OAG with Ultrastar on a 130GTX and f/6.7 field flattener. Any suggestions? Maybe just go without guiding? I like to use for minor corrections and dithering. 


wayne


Re: Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

Masera, David
 

The Moonraker is an 8 inch aperture.

 

 

David

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

 

The three mounts are 1600 mounts.

What is the aperture of the Moonraker?

 

Rolando

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Huerkamp <Mallincamusa@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 9:08 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

I got the chance to visit Lowell last June just before the Grand Canyon Star party, and Sarah Burcher, Lowell's outreach coordinator, gave me a tour of GODO.  At the time the roll off building was waiting for its skin, the five piers had been poured for the two refractors, the SCT and two RCs.  They were still waiting for the delivery of the large DOB from StarStructure.  And the observing plaza still had not been poured.  The facility was ready to go in early October, and I was going to visit with Sarah this June after the 2020 GCSP to see the scopes in operation.  I was so looking forward to observing through the Moonraker refractor mounted on the AP mount.  Alas, it looks like that will not occur due to the covid pandemic.  Which AP mounts were utilized for the TEC refractor, Moonraker refractor and Meade SCT?

Jack Huerkamp




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Re: Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

David Albers
 

Looks like the Moonraker is 8" aperture...

https://lowell.edu/giovale-open-deck-observatory/telescopes/


Re: Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

Roland Christen
 

The three mounts are 1600 mounts.
What is the aperture of the Moonraker?

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Huerkamp <Mallincamusa@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 9:08 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

I got the chance to visit Lowell last June just before the Grand Canyon Star party, and Sarah Burcher, Lowell's outreach coordinator, gave me a tour of GODO.  At the time the roll off building was waiting for its skin, the five piers had been poured for the two refractors, the SCT and two RCs.  They were still waiting for the delivery of the large DOB from StarStructure.  And the observing plaza still had not been poured.  The facility was ready to go in early October, and I was going to visit with Sarah this June after the 2020 GCSP to see the scopes in operation.  I was so looking forward to observing through the Moonraker refractor mounted on the AP mount.  Alas, it looks like that will not occur due to the covid pandemic.  Which AP mounts were utilized for the TEC refractor, Moonraker refractor and Meade SCT?

Jack Huerkamp


Re: Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

Jack Huerkamp
 

I got the chance to visit Lowell last June just before the Grand Canyon Star party, and Sarah Burcher, Lowell's outreach coordinator, gave me a tour of GODO.  At the time the roll off building was waiting for its skin, the five piers had been poured for the two refractors, the SCT and two RCs.  They were still waiting for the delivery of the large DOB from StarStructure.  And the observing plaza still had not been poured.  The facility was ready to go in early October, and I was going to visit with Sarah this June after the 2020 GCSP to see the scopes in operation.  I was so looking forward to observing through the Moonraker refractor mounted on the AP mount.  Alas, it looks like that will not occur due to the covid pandemic.  Which AP mounts were utilized for the TEC refractor, Moonraker refractor and Meade SCT?

Jack Huerkamp


Re: Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

Don Anderson
 

Very cool facility.

Don Anderson


On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 10:33:59 a.m. MDT, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:



Re: [ap-ug] Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

thefamily90 Phillips
 

👍🪐🌗🔭


From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 12:33:53 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>; main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-ug] Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory
 


Lowel Observatory with a new outdoor public observatory

Roland Christen
 


Re: Com ports #APCC

Phillip Klein
 

Hi Mike,

Thank you for your response and with the advice from Steven in New Zealand the problem has been fixed.
In device manager I right clicked on the Comport(3), and selected properties and was able to select another ComPort. from the dropdown list for the device or Box.
After opening the application I updated the firmware and noticed it identified the newly assigned ComPort. Now all the devices function simultaneously.
Thank you to everyone that provided suggestions.
Clear skies to all!!!




On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 11:00 AM Mike Dodd <mike@...> wrote:
On 4/7/2020 12:09 PM, Phillip Klein wrote:
> I did try selecting but the only choices were the ports already
> associated with the camera and focuser. There were no other choices.

How did your software know to make those associations?

Somewhere, sometime, SOMEONE had to tell the software what ports to use.
Does your software have a Detect button for the camera or focuser?

Is here a configuration file you can edit in Notepad to change the
ports? Search your hard drive for files with a name ending in ".ini" or
".cfg" and see if anything looks promising.

Or look in your software for an option to save the configuration, and
check the path it offers.

--- Mike






Re: Mach1 (spring loaded vers) has gear slop?

Ron Kramer
 

Thanks Rolando. I wondered if it was "sky" but seems to have been bad a month or more.  But you're sharing pretty much same skies as me. So I'll see how it goes.  Thanks for the reply. 
Still my shots have been fine.  (does this new group allow images?)   I HOPE... Y4 and whirlpool during recent 1/2 moon.

C-2019 Y4 Atlas-Small.jpg  

whirlppool_final---CROPPED 15300.0s-AR_LN_8.0_4.0_9-x_1.0_LZ3-NS-full-qua-mult-sc_BWMV_nor-AAD-RE-noMBB-mod-lpc-cbg-mod-lpc-cbg-lpc-cbg-St.jpg


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 7:44 PM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

So my question is there another method or documentation of what I might do to take that play out of the RA mesh?
There is no reason to take out any play in RA. That axis is always running in one direction and is never reversed, so play or backlash is not an issue. It doesn't come into play at all during tracking or guiding. Leave it be.

Run Guiding Assistant and look at the natural star motion when the mount is not being guided. It will tell you instantly what the stars are doing, how much they are moving due to atmospheric motion. If you get 1 arc sec RMS of natural star motion (scintillation) then no amount of guiding will get you less error. I recently checked my skies here in Northern Illinois when it was clear on Saturday. Stars were moving around so much (probably jet Steam) that i had 0.8 arc sec RMS values of just scintillation. I could not get better then that all night long with any guide settings. It's just the way things are in spring time around here.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2020 5:41 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Mach1 (spring loaded vers) has gear slop?

I was having superb performance over the last year. Total RMS guiding down around .24 - .32
I had some time away while swapping scopes from V1 RASA 11 to a V2 RASA 11. (very similar) V2 seems heavier. I rebalanced.
My guiding is now at best  .99 and averages around 1.50.  Good enough for decent stars at my image scale but it makes me concerned. The corrections are very abrupt. I've used PHD2 for 3 years and know it quite well for tuning. I can't seem to get it to smooth out.
I believe there was a PHD2 update during this  (good to bad shift). so it's hard to know if it's the mount or phd2. 
With that said - I feel there is a good bit of play in the RA mesh. I have taken the slop out before using the 'thumb pressure" tuning trick.  That isn't working this time.  I move the weights/top of teh scope a good bit that I think is the culprit. 
I opened the RA end of the box where the 3 gears are. (the middle gear turns freely easily). But it too seems to have some slop. ?  Meaning I can wiggle the middle gear1 bit (1/16th?) inch or could say 1.5-2mm or so before it contacts the other gears to make them move.
So my question is there another method or documentation of what I might do to take that play out of the RA mesh? 
I have seen the instructions for (old-style - no spring-loaded vers) which doesn't apply to me I don't believe. As noted above, the thumb/finger pressure on the release lever doesn't seem to work this time. Could this mean a new gear is needed in the box?  What else could I try?


Ron in Grand Rapids, MI




Re: Com ports #APCC

Mike Dodd
 

On 4/7/2020 12:09 PM, Phillip Klein wrote:
I did try selecting but the only choices were the ports already
associated with the camera and focuser. There were no other choices.
How did your software know to make those associations?

Somewhere, sometime, SOMEONE had to tell the software what ports to use. Does your software have a Detect button for the camera or focuser?

Is here a configuration file you can edit in Notepad to change the ports? Search your hard drive for files with a name ending in ".ini" or ".cfg" and see if anything looks promising.

Or look in your software for an option to save the configuration, and check the path it offers.

--- Mike


Re: Com ports #APCC

Phillip Klein
 

Thank you and I will do as you suggest.

On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Dale Ghent <daleg@elemental.org> wrote:


It sounds like you really ought to contact Astromi for support on this then.

On Apr 7, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Phillip Klein <klein.phillip@gmail.com> wrote:

With device management open I see comport(4)QSI
comport(3)-focuser
After connecting MBoxV2 a second comport(3) appears. When that happens neither the focuser or the Box connects.
Thank you
On Apr 7, 2020, at 6:44 AM, Dale Ghent <daleg@elemental.org> wrote:
This is a bit impossible. Windows allocates COM ports on per-device basis.

How are you ascertaining that both are on the same COM port?

On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:28 AM, klein.phillip@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

Recently, I purchased Astromi's MBoxV2. The device displays temp, pressure, humidity, dew point, latitude and longtitude. My equipment is AP Mach1 GTO4 mount running on APCCPro.
My problem is the new device is using the same com Port(3) that I use for my Optec FocusLynx so I cannot use both devices at the same time. ComPort(4) is used by the QSI532ws camera.
I am running Windows10 on a laptop that has 3 usb connections.
I would appreciate hearing if anyone has tackled a similar problem.

Thank you and wishing you clear skies!!

Phillip






Re: Com ports #APCC

Phillip Klein
 

Thank you,
I did try selecting but the only choices were the ports already associated with the camera and focuser. There were no other choices.
I even tried auto select but that failed to connect when the other equipment was already attached.
Thank you


On Apr 7, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Charles Thompson via groups.io <cthomp97@...> wrote:


I've had this problem and went into the devices software and assigned it a higher comm port that was not in use. Then in windows go to device manager and advance options on that comm port and assign it to the matching port you used in the device software. It's been a long time but I think that's how I fixed it. 

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. 



Thanks,
Charles

Sent from mobile device.


-------- Original message --------
From: klein.phillip@...
Date: 4/7/20 8:28 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Com ports #APCC

Hello,

Recently, I purchased Astromi's MBoxV2. The device displays temp, pressure, humidity, dew point, latitude and longtitude. My equipment is AP Mach1 GTO4 mount running on APCCPro.
My problem is the new device is using the same com Port(3) that I use for my Optec FocusLynx so I cannot use both devices at the same time. ComPort(4) is used by the QSI532ws camera.
I am running Windows10 on a laptop that has 3 usb connections.
I would appreciate hearing if anyone has tackled a similar problem.

Thank you and wishing you clear skies!!

Phillip


Re: Com ports #APCC

Dale Ghent
 

It sounds like you really ought to contact Astromi for support on this then.

On Apr 7, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Phillip Klein <klein.phillip@gmail.com> wrote:

With device management open I see comport(4)QSI
comport(3)-focuser
After connecting MBoxV2 a second comport(3) appears. When that happens neither the focuser or the Box connects.
Thank you
On Apr 7, 2020, at 6:44 AM, Dale Ghent <daleg@elemental.org> wrote:

This is a bit impossible. Windows allocates COM ports on per-device basis.

How are you ascertaining that both are on the same COM port?

On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:28 AM, klein.phillip@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

Recently, I purchased Astromi's MBoxV2. The device displays temp, pressure, humidity, dew point, latitude and longtitude. My equipment is AP Mach1 GTO4 mount running on APCCPro.
My problem is the new device is using the same com Port(3) that I use for my Optec FocusLynx so I cannot use both devices at the same time. ComPort(4) is used by the QSI532ws camera.
I am running Windows10 on a laptop that has 3 usb connections.
I would appreciate hearing if anyone has tackled a similar problem.

Thank you and wishing you clear skies!!

Phillip




Re: Com ports #APCC

Phillip Klein
 

With device management open I see comport(4)QSI
comport(3)-focuser
After connecting MBoxV2 a second comport(3) appears. When that happens neither the focuser or the Box connects.
Thank you

On Apr 7, 2020, at 6:44 AM, Dale Ghent <daleg@elemental.org> wrote:

This is a bit impossible. Windows allocates COM ports on per-device basis.

How are you ascertaining that both are on the same COM port?

On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:28 AM, klein.phillip@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

Recently, I purchased Astromi's MBoxV2. The device displays temp, pressure, humidity, dew point, latitude and longtitude. My equipment is AP Mach1 GTO4 mount running on APCCPro.
My problem is the new device is using the same com Port(3) that I use for my Optec FocusLynx so I cannot use both devices at the same time. ComPort(4) is used by the QSI532ws camera.
I am running Windows10 on a laptop that has 3 usb connections.
I would appreciate hearing if anyone has tackled a similar problem.

Thank you and wishing you clear skies!!

Phillip


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