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Re: Sky Safari with Mach2

Peter Nagy
 

The problem with Luminos is they require iPAD or iPhone products and they refuse to work with Android devices. Not good business since there are far more Android devices than Apple devices.

Peter


Re: Sky Safari with Mach2

Donald Rudny
 

Hi All,

I just gave up on SkySafari and switched to Luminos.  I had to use APCC to initialize to P3.  Luminos lets you initialize in any position and has more controls of the mount like slewing and tracking rates.  I control everything with my iPad and Luminos.  No keypad.  
For $29.95 for Luminos and a smartphone or tablet you have your keypad.  I loved SkySafari, but their failure to provide more positions for initialization on AP mounts lost me as a supporter.

Don Rudny
Pepeekeo, Hi

On Jun 15, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Christopher Erickson <christopher.k.erickson@...> wrote:


PUH-LEEZE ask them to add Park3 too...


-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
   

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 6:27 PM Marj Christen <marj@...> wrote:

We are working with Simulation Curriculum.

 

Clear Skies,

 

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics, Inc

11250 Forest Hills Rd

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-0910

Fax: 815-282-9847

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dominique Durand via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:02 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sky Safari with Mach2

 

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Terri Zittritsch wrote:

Thanks Dominique, have you gotten any feedback from A-P or Simulation Curriculum?    I was wondering if it's normal, per past correspondence I've read about needing some initialization.  I know Sky Safari has a switch to pass time/location, but not sure that this does the trick.  I guess I'll wait to hear.  
I am an early adopter of Sky Safari and had every version since the beginning..  it is my favorite sky mapping program so hope that it'll be usable on the Mach2.    Maybe after getting the hand control sw.

Hi Terri,
I still have a doubt about this case that I had detected, because with my mach1 GTOCP4 that I had before I always had the keypad plugged in and I think that (Like the PC) was enough for Skysafari to synchronize, with my Mach1 GTOCP3 which I still have I pass for the WIFI by SkyFi3, that works for skysafari but there also I have a connected keypad.
My biggest concern and that I did not have with my GTOCP4 is that the WIFI network of the GTOCP5 disappears when the GTOCP5 is plugged into the PC, a problem linked to the USB3 sockets of my PC, because I plug into a USB2 socket it works .


Re: Sky Safari with Mach2

Christopher Erickson
 

PUH-LEEZE ask them to add Park3 too...


-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
   

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 6:27 PM Marj Christen <marj@...> wrote:

We are working with Simulation Curriculum.

 

Clear Skies,

 

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics, Inc

11250 Forest Hills Rd

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-0910

Fax: 815-282-9847

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dominique Durand via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:02 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sky Safari with Mach2

 

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Terri Zittritsch wrote:

Thanks Dominique, have you gotten any feedback from A-P or Simulation Curriculum?    I was wondering if it's normal, per past correspondence I've read about needing some initialization.  I know Sky Safari has a switch to pass time/location, but not sure that this does the trick.  I guess I'll wait to hear.  
I am an early adopter of Sky Safari and had every version since the beginning..  it is my favorite sky mapping program so hope that it'll be usable on the Mach2.    Maybe after getting the hand control sw.

Hi Terri,
I still have a doubt about this case that I had detected, because with my mach1 GTOCP4 that I had before I always had the keypad plugged in and I think that (Like the PC) was enough for Skysafari to synchronize, with my Mach1 GTOCP3 which I still have I pass for the WIFI by SkyFi3, that works for skysafari but there also I have a connected keypad.
My biggest concern and that I did not have with my GTOCP4 is that the WIFI network of the GTOCP5 disappears when the GTOCP5 is plugged into the PC, a problem linked to the USB3 sockets of my PC, because I plug into a USB2 socket it works .


Re: Sky Safari with Mach2

 

We are working with Simulation Curriculum.

 

Clear Skies,

 

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics, Inc

11250 Forest Hills Rd

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-0910

Fax: 815-282-9847

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dominique Durand via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:02 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sky Safari with Mach2

 

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Terri Zittritsch wrote:

Thanks Dominique, have you gotten any feedback from A-P or Simulation Curriculum?    I was wondering if it's normal, per past correspondence I've read about needing some initialization.  I know Sky Safari has a switch to pass time/location, but not sure that this does the trick.  I guess I'll wait to hear.  
I am an early adopter of Sky Safari and had every version since the beginning..  it is my favorite sky mapping program so hope that it'll be usable on the Mach2.    Maybe after getting the hand control sw.

Hi Terri,
I still have a doubt about this case that I had detected, because with my mach1 GTOCP4 that I had before I always had the keypad plugged in and I think that (Like the PC) was enough for Skysafari to synchronize, with my Mach1 GTOCP3 which I still have I pass for the WIFI by SkyFi3, that works for skysafari but there also I have a connected keypad.
My biggest concern and that I did not have with my GTOCP4 is that the WIFI network of the GTOCP5 disappears when the GTOCP5 is plugged into the PC, a problem linked to the USB3 sockets of my PC, because I plug into a USB2 socket it works .


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Dean Jacobsen
 


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

 

>>> It really appears to me to be that somehow PHD2 (and ASIAir guiding - which borrows from PHD2) is sending something to the AP900 controller that turns off or stalls the tracking.  

okay now i'm less confused - you have the same thread going in the PHD forums.

PHD has no code that enables or disables tracking, as you know from Bruce's reply over there, so it's not originating from PHD2. 

If you are bouncing between PHD2 and ASIAir, it's probably better if you stick with PHD2 and resolve it first, then move to ASIAir. they are not transparent in what changes they've made to the app, so it's unclear how their custom version actually works

Brian

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

GTO2 mount with an upgraded CP4 chip.
Again there is no GTO2 mount with CP4 chip. There is a 900 GTO mount. There is a CP4 servo controller which does not have chips. It is software programmable, whereas the older CP3 controllers were chip programmable.

In any case, a 900 mount with a CP4 servo controller should work properly with any external software such as PHD2. I am still totally confused about what the calibration star is doing. If the move commands are set at 450msec and you have entered the correct focal length, the guide star should move about 7 arc sec for each move command. In one direction the guide command would be to "Move East 450msec" and the motor would stop tracking for 450msec, which causes the star to move east 7 arc sec. Each 450msec command moves the star another 7 arc sec east. In the other direction the command would be "Move West 450msec". The motor will speed up to 2x sidereal and move 7 arc sec west. These Move East and Move West commands are interpreted by the ASCOM driver and sent to the mount. Normally that works perfectly fine.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Sorry, mixed up my GTO's and CP's...it is an older GTO2 mount with an upgraded CP4 chip.

It really appears to me to be that somehow PHD2 (and ASIAir guiding - which borrows from PHD2) is sending something to the AP900 controller that turns off or stalls the tracking.  
Before I engage guiding, I can look at/image stars in 3-5 second loops for focusing and framing up and they stay tight and no position change.
As soon as I attempt to start Cal or Guiding from PHD2 or ASIAir, AP900 tracking stops, as confirmed when I again look at the images loops in focusing or previewing and the stars are trailed and moving.  My target of interest quickly moves off frame.
Even with PHD2 stopped, I need to cycle through the Rate control on the AP900 hand set and reset to SID rate and the mount begins to track again.  Otherwise mount tracking stays disabled.

I'll try Bryan's key pad testing suggestion.  I typically use either the AP900 hand controller, but mostly have been using the ASIAir for goto's and slewing/manual jogging..



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Roland Christen
 


GTO2 mount with an upgraded CP4 chip.
Again there is no GTO2 mount with CP4 chip. There is a 900 GTO mount. There is a CP4 servo controller which does not have chips. It is software programmable, whereas the older CP3 controllers were chip programmable.

In any case, a 900 mount with a CP4 servo controller should work properly with any external software such as PHD2. I am still totally confused about what the calibration star is doing. If the move commands are set at 450msec and you have entered the correct focal length, the guide star should move about 7 arc sec for each move command. In one direction the guide command would be to "Move East 450msec" and the motor would stop tracking for 450msec, which causes the star to move east 7 arc sec. Each 450msec command moves the star another 7 arc sec east. In the other direction the command would be "Move West 450msec". The motor will speed up to 2x sidereal and move 7 arc sec west. These Move East and Move West commands are interpreted by the ASCOM driver and sent to the mount. Normally that works perfectly fine.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Sorry, mixed up my GTO's and CP's...it is an older GTO2 mount with an upgraded CP4 chip.

It really appears to me to be that somehow PHD2 (and ASIAir guiding - which borrows from PHD2) is sending something to the AP900 controller that turns off or stalls the tracking.  
Before I engage guiding, I can look at/image stars in 3-5 second loops for focusing and framing up and they stay tight and no position change.
As soon as I attempt to start Cal or Guiding from PHD2 or ASIAir, AP900 tracking stops, as confirmed when I again look at the images loops in focusing or previewing and the stars are trailed and moving.  My target of interest quickly moves off frame.
Even with PHD2 stopped, I need to cycle through the Rate control on the AP900 hand set and reset to SID rate and the mount begins to track again.  Otherwise mount tracking stays disabled.

I'll try Bryan's key pad testing suggestion.  I typically use either the AP900 hand controller, but mostly have been using the ASIAir for goto's and slewing/manual jogging..


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

sgbonnell@...
 

Sorry, mixed up my GTO's and CP's...it is an older GTO2 mount with an upgraded CP4 chip.

It really appears to me to be that somehow PHD2 (and ASIAir guiding - which borrows from PHD2) is sending something to the AP900 controller that turns off or stalls the tracking.  
Before I engage guiding, I can look at/image stars in 3-5 second loops for focusing and framing up and they stay tight and no position change.
As soon as I attempt to start Cal or Guiding from PHD2 or ASIAir, AP900 tracking stops, as confirmed when I again look at the images loops in focusing or previewing and the stars are trailed and moving.  My target of interest quickly moves off frame.
Even with PHD2 stopped, I need to cycle through the Rate control on the AP900 hand set and reset to SID rate and the mount begins to track again.  Otherwise mount tracking stays disabled.

I'll try Bryan's key pad testing suggestion.  I typically use either the AP900 hand controller, but mostly have been using the ASIAir for goto's and slewing/manual jogging..


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Roland Christen
 

I think the problem may be that the controller is a very old version CP2 which may have a chip in it that is not compatible. This appears to be a second hand mount and who knows what the first owner did to the controller.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Jacobsen <deanjacobsen@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 01:55 PM, Brian Valente wrote:
i really don't think that's what's going on
Well that is what he said above and the log that he posted says that the star is lost at the first calibration move. ;-)
 
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Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

 

Dean sorry - i didn't mean to suggest you interpreted incorrectly, all i was saying is that the first move, if everything that was written is correct, was not likely the culprit of the lost star

someone else pointed out that should be a .5" move, so it's not moving out of the fov. sorry if I miscommunicated that 

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Dean Jacobsen <deanjacobsen@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 01:55 PM, Brian Valente wrote:
i really don't think that's what's going on
Well that is what he said above and the log that he posted says that the star is lost at the first calibration move. ;-)
 
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--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Dean Jacobsen
 

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 01:55 PM, Brian Valente wrote:
i really don't think that's what's going on
Well that is what he said above and the log that he posted says that the star is lost at the first calibration move. ;-)
 
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Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Roland Christen
 

Set the keypad to a button rate of 1x and press E and W buttons. The mount should go at 15 arc sec per sec in either direction. When you release the buttons the mount should then resume tracking at sidereal rate.

Try this first to see if the mount responds correctly to your button pushes. Once you verify yes or no, we can go from there.

Your second statement makes no sense: "I have serial port (9 pin dsub) in my GTO2 panel, but have the GTO4 chip upgrade"
There is no GTO4 upgrade for the GTO2 panel. Maybe you mean that you have a CP2?

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

thanks for all the suggestions...sorry if I haven't been very clear and perhaps confounding ASIAir and PHD2..

I've tried both:  guiding through ASIAir app and directly with PHD2 from my laptop which has the latest A-P ASCOM driver for the AP900 and have been able to get PHD2 to see and connect the mount.  Using an RS232 to USB serial convertor cable from PC (or ASIAir)  to mount.
Both approaches seem to cause the AP900 to stop tracking when initiating PHD2 Calibration or Guiding.  You can see the obvious star trailing and movement in the 3-sec subs used for focusing.  PHD2 immediately indicates 'star lost'.
If I cycle the AP900 hand controller Rate button (#8) through the various tracking rates and back to SID, then tracking on the mount is resumed and will stay that way (until I try PHD2 again...).

I would prefer to generally use the ASIAir until I gain more experience and can make use of some of the more complete tools, but I have used before and am quite fine with using PHD2 for guiding if the ASI doesn't work out...I'm just really enjoying the 'no wires' simplicity and mobility of using a tablet for most AP and mount functions :-).  I had been using it recently with good success on a CGX-L mount/WO GT153 APO/ZWO ASI071 set up.

The gentleman in Europe has been helpful - we've been comparing set ups; he has a GTO4 controller that has USB interface.  He is simply connecting the mount controller USB to his ASIAir USB.  He is using the latest A-P ASCOM driver from Ray G. as well. 

I have serial port (9 pin dsub) in my GTO2 panel, but have the GTO4 chip upgrade.  So the difference between us is his USB to USB  vs. my Serial to USB interconnect.
cheers,
Steve


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

 

>>> So the star gets lost because the mount stalls at the first calibration command.

i really don't think that's what's going on

if you can provide your relevant PHD log and debug files it would be easier to diagnose

you could also make sure you are not using subframes when calibrating, juuuuust in case

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:50 PM Dean Jacobsen <deanjacobsen@...> wrote:
So the star gets lost because the mount stalls at the first calibration command.

i wonder if the mount will stall if you try Bryan’s suggestion to move the mount using the PHD2 virtual keypad?
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Brian Valente


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Dean Jacobsen
 

So the star gets lost because the mount stalls at the first calibration command.

i wonder if the mount will stall if you try Bryan’s suggestion to move the mount using the PHD2 virtual keypad?
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Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Roland Christen
 

The only thing I can think of is that somehow the mount is set at 12x instead of 1x guiding speed.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Jacobsen <deanjacobsen@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

The log he posted says 450 ms.
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Re: Mach1 slewing and position issues

Roland Christen
 

Great! Glad it's working for you.
So now you know the drill in case you get lost again ;^))

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric M <eric.marlatt@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach1 slewing and position issues

Thank you!!!! Haven't done the recal yet but everything seems to be behaving normally now, CW reporting correct position and I can slew in any direction freely. 


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

sgbonnell@...
 

thanks for all the suggestions...sorry if I haven't been very clear and perhaps confounding ASIAir and PHD2..

I've tried both:  guiding through ASIAir app and directly with PHD2 from my laptop which has the latest A-P ASCOM driver for the AP900 and have been able to get PHD2 to see and connect the mount.  Using an RS232 to USB serial convertor cable from PC (or ASIAir)  to mount.
Both approaches seem to cause the AP900 to stop tracking when initiating PHD2 Calibration or Guiding.  You can see the obvious star trailing and movement in the 3-sec subs used for focusing.  PHD2 immediately indicates 'star lost'.
If I cycle the AP900 hand controller Rate button (#8) through the various tracking rates and back to SID, then tracking on the mount is resumed and will stay that way (until I try PHD2 again...).

I would prefer to generally use the ASIAir until I gain more experience and can make use of some of the more complete tools, but I have used before and am quite fine with using PHD2 for guiding if the ASI doesn't work out...I'm just really enjoying the 'no wires' simplicity and mobility of using a tablet for most AP and mount functions :-).  I had been using it recently with good success on a CGX-L mount/WO GT153 APO/ZWO ASI071 set up.

The gentleman in Europe has been helpful - we've been comparing set ups; he has a GTO4 controller that has USB interface.  He is simply connecting the mount controller USB to his ASIAir USB.  He is using the latest A-P ASCOM driver from Ray G. as well. 

I have serial port (9 pin dsub) in my GTO2 panel, but have the GTO4 chip upgrade.  So the difference between us is his USB to USB  vs. my Serial to USB interconnect.
cheers,
Steve


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Dean Jacobsen
 


Re: Mach1 slewing and position issues

Eric M
 

Thank you!!!! Haven't done the recal yet but everything seems to be behaving normally now, CW reporting correct position and I can slew in any direction freely. 


Re: help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

Roland Christen
 


The log says the guide speed is 15 a-s/s.  Does that first move push the guide star out of the frame?
How far are the calibration moves? What is the cal move setting? Typically for PHD2 the cal moves are between 300 and 600 msec, which is between 4 and 8 arc seconds per move. This should not send the star out of the image frame. Perhaps the setting for cal moves is 10 times larger, which will cause the guide star to move out of the frame.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Jacobsen <deanjacobsen@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] help with AP900 guiding via ASIAir Pro

[Edited Message Follows]
Calibration doesn’t get started, it loses the star after the first move.  The log says the guide speed is 15 a-s/s.  Does that first move push the guide star out of the frame?
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