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Re: PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

CurtisC
 

Ray, I attempted to send you a PM about the zipped files which I uploaded to "Curtis in Anza" in the Files section.  But since anybody can look at it, I don't suppose there's much need for secrecy.


Re: PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Curtis,
 
    Perhaps Bill felt I was bit unkind to MS, with my choice of words,  but Microsoft’s semi-annual major updates are scheduled in the Fall and Spring of every year, and they “had  been” neither  optional,  nor avoidable for long.
 
    Since you bought your PC in Aug. 2019 ... then you would have been updated, perhaps by Christmas from your initial factory installed Build Version #1903, that Fall - with Update Build “Version”  #1909 (standing for Year 2019 and month 09). After that, the most recent wave was the Spring 2020, Build #2004 (year 2020, month, 04,  April).
 
    Until now, our PC’s were just updated, without our choice,  on Microsoft’s individual customer schedule. However, with build Version #2004, it appears that we can actually choose whether to accept the updates and associated risks. You will see a new blue link line in your Win-10 SETTINGS-Updates & Security, and have to actually click on it to trigger the Build’s download & install procedure. There are always surprises in each version update and some are good, while others break perfectly working drivers or programs.
 
    If you wish to find out which Build number your PC is running under, click on SETTINGS->SYSTEM ... and scroll down the left side panel to “ABOUT”. Clicking on that you will see the full description, specifically the section “Windows Specifications”.
It will also show you the date YOUR own PC was updated with your current version number.
 
    But the next regular update wave is already on the doorstep, likely late this month (for version #2009 ?).
 
Joe
 
 

From: CurtisC via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 10:55 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding
 
> recent Win-10  Build-2004 screw-up

How recent is Build-2004?  I bought this computer in Aug 2019.  The message I saw didn't have the McAfee name or logo on it, unlike warnings I've had about firmware downloads.


Re: PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Curtis,

Here's what you wrote:

Last night I ran a PEMPro v.3 curve on my 2010-vintage Mach1GTO,
and PEMPro came up with p-to-p of 6-something, which is the best I've ever
measured with this mount. But about three hours later I ran another curve,
and it was over 10
Please include all logs, including debug logs, and PPC files from that night and that night only. You can use the PEMPro Log zipper to easily select the files.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

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Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

[Edited Message Follows]

Ray, I have lots of logs, going back to July. I eliminated all but the latest one. I put the old ones in an "old" folder.
I didn't throw them away. You want to see them all? A few are aborted runs -- I didn't like where it was going on,
so I killed it. I've been doing PEMPro runs almost every night, twice last night. I'll fiddle with the balance (which is
spot-on exact now) or gear mesh and try again. Last night I was getting 19+ p-to-p, but it was smooth, so I
loaded it to the mount. Probably unrelated, but just before I shut down and went to bed last night, I tried some 5
min test shots of NGC 7331, and I had fantastic guiding, even the tiniest stars were round.

Edited to add: It's often said that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a
different result. Guilty!


Re: PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

CurtisC
 

recent Win-10  Build-2004 screw-up

How recent is Build-2004?  I bought this computer in Aug 2019.  The message I saw didn't have the McAfee name or logo on it, unlike warnings I've had about firmware downloads.


Re: Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Sure, 
I bought it from Skypoint here in Italy.
Andrea 


Re: Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Will do, thank you


Re: Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Thank you Roland,
I hope to check on Sunday.
Andrea


Re: Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Roland Christen
 

Hello again,

Can you tell me where you purchased the mount?

Roland



-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2020 5:35 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Hello AP,
this evening I grabbed my Mach2 and noticed/heard the typical noise of a screw (small part in any case) going around in the DEC motor housing.
it could be in the DEC housing but most probably in the motor housing.
I think it is there from the very beginning, as the mount it is brand new: it arrived in July and has just 2 nights of operation. 

I'd like to open the motor housing to check but I will wait for directions from AP people.
Thank you very much,
Andrea-Italy


Re: Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Donald Rudny
 

Just a suggestion, Andrea, but take some photos as you do this.  It will help Roland assess things and document your efforts.  Best of luck in finding the problem.

Don

Don Rudny
Pepeekeo, Hawaii.

On Sep 4, 2020, at 1:03 PM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


You can remove the back of the housing by removing the 4 Hex head screws. Take a look inside and contact us here at AP if you find anything loose. I will work with you to correct that.

Roland Christen
Astro-Physics Inc.



-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2020 5:35 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Hello AP,
this evening I grabbed my Mach2 and noticed/heard the typical noise of a screw (small part in any case) going around in the DEC motor housing.
it could be in the DEC housing but most probably in the motor housing.
I think it is there from the very beginning, as the mount it is brand new: it arrived in July and has just 2 nights of operation. 

I'd like to open the motor housing to check but I will wait for directions from AP people.
Thank you very much,
Andrea-Italy


Re: Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Roland Christen
 

You can remove the back of the housing by removing the 4 Hex head screws. Take a look inside and contact us here at AP if you find anything loose. I will work with you to correct that.

Roland Christen
Astro-Physics Inc.



-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2020 5:35 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Hello AP,
this evening I grabbed my Mach2 and noticed/heard the typical noise of a screw (small part in any case) going around in the DEC motor housing.
it could be in the DEC housing but most probably in the motor housing.
I think it is there from the very beginning, as the mount it is brand new: it arrived in July and has just 2 nights of operation. 

I'd like to open the motor housing to check but I will wait for directions from AP people.
Thank you very much,
Andrea-Italy


Re: AP1100 vs mach2 decision #Mach2GTO #Absolute_Encoders

Roland Christen
 

On paper and in the real world, yes the 1100 has greater weight capacity. The reason is that the 2 gearwheels are larger on the 1100. That is the primary thing that determines how much scope you can put on a mount.

Gearwheel size is the single most important thing that determines a mount's capacity. The thickness of the base is the next important thing.

The pier or tripod that you put the mount on also needs to be robust. For the pier/tripod the important thing is not so much the weight rating, since most of them could hold up a Sumo wrestler, the important thing is how resistant it is to a twisting motion.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Ram Viswanathan <ramviswanathan@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2020 5:18 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] AP1100 vs mach2 decision #Mach2GTO #Absolute_Encoders

In terms of capacity, is there a significant difference between these mounts?
The 1100 seems very slightly heavier but can be separated easily into 2 parts. On paper, it appears to have much greater weight bearing capacity. 
What am I missing?


Mach2 issue: noise from dec motor housing, potential free screw inside

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Hello AP,
this evening I grabbed my Mach2 and noticed/heard the typical noise of a screw (small part in any case) going around in the DEC motor housing.
it could be in the DEC housing but most probably in the motor housing.
I think it is there from the very beginning, as the mount it is brand new: it arrived in July and has just 2 nights of operation. 

I'd like to open the motor housing to check but I will wait for directions from AP people.
Thank you very much,
Andrea-Italy


Re: AP1100 vs mach2 decision #Mach2GTO #Absolute_Encoders

Bill Long
 

It does. It's also more expensive with encoders.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ram Viswanathan <ramviswanathan@...>
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] AP1100 vs mach2 decision #Mach2GTO #Absolute_Encoders
 

In terms of capacity, is there a significant difference between these mounts?
The 1100 seems very slightly heavier but can be separated easily into 2 parts. On paper, it appears to have much greater weight bearing capacity. 

What am I missing?


AP1100 vs mach2 decision #Mach2GTO #Absolute_Encoders

Ram
 

In terms of capacity, is there a significant difference between these mounts?
The 1100 seems very slightly heavier but can be separated easily into 2 parts. On paper, it appears to have much greater weight bearing capacity. 

What am I missing?


Re: PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

Bill Long
 

Its not Windows Defender causing this problem. This is starting to get old.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Joe Zeglinski <J.Zeglinski@...>
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding
 
Hi Curtis and Ray,
 
    If you aren’t aware, the “new Win-10 DEFENDER” antivirus program that always came free with the OS, has a newly “enabled” default feature in the recent Win-10  Build-2004 screw-up.
 
    Defender is supposed to bow out and  “deactivate itself” if it finds a paid subscription version of any other antivirus program, so there would be no potential conflict of interests. Otherwise, DEFENDER (now) does the same as the paid versions, and (now) has its own Microsoft researched list of PUP’s (Potentially Unwanted Programs). It used to be check marked only on Enterprise versions of Win-10, but (now) is checkmark enabled for ALL versions.
 
    I originally disabled Defender when I discovered from its history list, that it removed apps that I had used for decades. Then, upon further reading MS website explanations for each such case, I discovered that Defender is in fact “more meticulous”, than perhaps most others. So, I re-enabled DEFENDER, because it seemed to find Bloatware we sometimes miss, or ignore.
 
    Microsoft’s Defender now Quarantines and eventually removes any “Bloatware” that tags along with some downloads. For example, CCLEAN from Piriform (now fully owned by AVAST),  is found quite acceptable  by something like MalwareBytes, but Defender will NOT let such downloaded PUP extras  remain very long  on the PC. It might be a free copy of AVAST antivirus (or other things), that the user “missed unchecking” during the initial download screens. Defender does not tolerate tag-along apps that are usually, bit not always,  third-party programs, even free trial opps.
 
    So, I wonder if the real problem you have been having, is that CCDWARE adds a checkmark (by default), for other trial CCDWARE (or other apps like Chrome Browser), which then makes it look like a “PUP” to Defender lurking behind the scene, blocking further download.
 
    In the end, it isn’t CCDWARE that is the problem,  offering website visitors more extra’s, than the perhaps less tolerant   MS DEFENDER would like them to do.
 
Joe Z.
 
 
From: CurtisC via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding
 
CCDWare: I have McAfee.  I would have preferred Norton, but McAfee came with my Dell computer.  Last night it flagged CCDWare as "suspicious," just as Chris reports.  


Re: PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Curtis and Ray,
 
    If you aren’t aware, the “new Win-10 DEFENDER” antivirus program that always came free with the OS, has a newly “enabled” default feature in the recent Win-10  Build-2004 screw-up.
 
    Defender is supposed to bow out and  “deactivate itself” if it finds a paid subscription version of any other antivirus program, so there would be no potential conflict of interests. Otherwise, DEFENDER (now) does the same as the paid versions, and (now) has its own Microsoft researched list of PUP’s (Potentially Unwanted Programs). It used to be check marked only on Enterprise versions of Win-10, but (now) is checkmark enabled for ALL versions.
 
    I originally disabled Defender when I discovered from its history list, that it removed apps that I had used for decades. Then, upon further reading MS website explanations for each such case, I discovered that Defender is in fact “more meticulous”, than perhaps most others. So, I re-enabled DEFENDER, because it seemed to find Bloatware we sometimes miss, or ignore.
 
    Microsoft’s Defender now Quarantines and eventually removes any “Bloatware” that tags along with some downloads. For example, CCLEAN from Piriform (now fully owned by AVAST),  is found quite acceptable  by something like MalwareBytes, but Defender will NOT let such downloaded PUP extras  remain very long  on the PC. It might be a free copy of AVAST antivirus (or other things), that the user “missed unchecking” during the initial download screens. Defender does not tolerate tag-along apps that are usually, bit not always,  third-party programs, even free trial opps.
 
    So, I wonder if the real problem you have been having, is that CCDWARE adds a checkmark (by default), for other trial CCDWARE (or other apps like Chrome Browser), which then makes it look like a “PUP” to Defender lurking behind the scene, blocking further download.
 
    In the end, it isn’t CCDWARE that is the problem,  offering website visitors more extra’s, than the perhaps less tolerant   MS DEFENDER would like them to do.
 
Joe Z.
 
 

From: CurtisC via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding
 
CCDWare: I have McAfee.  I would have preferred Norton, but McAfee came with my Dell computer.  Last night it flagged CCDWare as "suspicious," just as Chris reports.  


Re: PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

CurtisC
 

CCDWare: I have McAfee.  I would have preferred Norton, but McAfee came with my Dell computer.  Last night it flagged CCDWare as "suspicious," just as Chris reports.  


Re: PEMPro vs PHD2 #Guiding

CurtisC
 
Edited

Ray, I have lots of logs, going back to July.  I eliminated all but the latest one.  I put the old ones in an "old" folder.  I didn't throw them away.  You want to see them all?  A few are aborted runs -- I didn't like where it was going on, so I killed it.  I've been doing PEMPro runs almost every night, twice last night.  I'll fiddle with the balance (which is spot-on exact now) or gear mesh and try again.  Last night I was getting 19+ p-to-p, but it was smooth, so I loaded it to the mount.  Probably unrelated, but just before I shut down and went to bed last night, I tried some 5 min test shots of NGC 7331, and I had fantastic guiding, even the tiniest stars were round.

Edited to add: It's often said that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.  Guilty!


Re: Dec drive problem

thefamily90 Phillips
 

Spoke directly with George and we tested the motor different ways. He told me to be careful as an out of balanced scope will spin when I remove everything. He is getting a work order (?) for me and I will be shipping it in next week.

Thanks everyone!

Jim


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Dec drive problem
 
Hi Jim,

Remove these 5 screws to remove the gearbox from the mounting plate:





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Subject: [ap-gto] Dec drive problem


Subject: Dec drive problem
 
One of my older AP 1200 go to mounts has a problem. The deck drive does not work properly. When I use the keypad to move the mount north or south there is just a jerky movement or, the telescope starts going around in a circle nonstop. This happened to a previous mount of mine years ago and George at AP was able to fix/replace it. I cannot recall which screws/bolts to remove to remove the drive. I will also have to get a work order number as well. Here is a pic. Thanks for any help.
The mount is at my farm and I will only be here until Monday so I need to get the drive off so I can ship it when I get back home.

Thanks,

Jim


Re: Dec drive problem

Roland Christen
 

Hi Jim,

Remove these 5 screws to remove the gearbox from the mounting plate:





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Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2020 10:02 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Dec drive problem


Subject: Dec drive problem
 
One of my older AP 1200 go to mounts has a problem. The deck drive does not work properly. When I use the keypad to move the mount north or south there is just a jerky movement or, the telescope starts going around in a circle nonstop. This happened to a previous mount of mine years ago and George at AP was able to fix/replace it. I cannot recall which screws/bolts to remove to remove the drive. I will also have to get a work order number as well. Here is a pic. Thanks for any help.
The mount is at my farm and I will only be here until Monday so I need to get the drive off so I can ship it when I get back home.

Thanks,

Jim

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