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Re: AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

Steve Reilly
 

Ray,

 

From our earlier email I had said that I could not unpark using APCC and that still holds true today. I did install both the newest APCC versions and ASCOM driver this afternoon and repeated the test. I had done this test before and after updates today. To clear up any misunderstanding what I did I used Bandicam to record the tests. The same results so I just uploaded the newest versions test as they both have the same results. I can park when unparked but I can not unpark in APCC under any circumstances I know of. I can park and unpark at will with the driver. I can park in APCC after it's unparked. See this video

I hope this sheds some light on the issue. If I did something incorrect please advise. Also as a point of interest I disabled APCC from my startup script for ACP Expert and have been able to image where with it not so much as it hangs waiting on a mount response to parking/unparking which can affect if my roll off roof closes or not. Maybe my driver configuration? But that works by itself….

 

-Steve

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Gralak
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

 

Hi Dan,

 

> I was finally able to try a serial/USB FTDI adapter this morning. Had

> to track one down from a friend. This setup is connecting. and seems to be working properly!

 

So, the problem is not with the CP4 or the software, but likely your connection.

 

> I would prefer to keep my original connection setup as the adapter

> presents some cable snag issues. Is there anything else I can try?

 

This is going to require you to learn a little about networking and your home router. That's going to be up to you to do that research. :-)

 

That said, I suggest you follow what I suggested to Jack in a post yesterday. That is put your computer and CP4 on your local LAN and configure your home router to use DHCP (usually they are set that way by default).

 

Then APCC should be able to find your CP4 and communicate correctly. One caveat... when using DHCP the router may assign a different IP address to the CP4 each time the CP4 is power on.  If you don't want to use the Find CP4/5 button in APCC when that happens then I suggest you configure your router to provide the CP4 with a static IP address. This will reserve that IP address for the CP4 and it won't change as long as you use that router.

 

-Ray Gralak

Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro

Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf

> Of Dan Simpson

> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 9:39 AM

> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

>

> Hi Ray,

> I did try using a USB cable yesterday but got no response from the mount.

>

> I was finally able to try a serial/USB FTDI adapter this morning. Had

> to track one down from a friend. This setup is connecting. and seems to be working properly!

>

>

> I would prefer to keep my original connection setup as the adapter

> presents some cable snag issues. Is there anything else I can try?

> Thanks,

> Dan

>

>

>

>

> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 9:30 PM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:

>

>

>             Dan,

>

>             It sounds like you may have a network problem. So, did you try the

> alternative I suggested? That is connecting APCC via its USB or serial port? If that works, or doesn't work, helps isolate the problem.

>

>             -Ray Gralak

>             Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro

>             Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com

>             Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:

> https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

>

>

>             > -----Original Message-----

>             > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson

>             > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:46 PM

>             > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io

>             > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

>             >

>             > Hi Ray,

>             > I guess my first question would be: what changed? I can't remember

> the last time I dug into the network settings.

>             > I've been using this exact same setup (GTOCP4, Cat5e, couple of

> network switches and a dual NIC) for well over

>             > a year.  Again, I did nothing, consciously, to change it.

>             >

>             > In order to simplify things I've run a single straight Cat5e cable

> between the mount and the computer. I also

>             > disconnected the two other Cat5e cables just to be sure.

>             >

>             > The one thing that changed right away is that clicking the Find

> button in the APCC Connection window shows the

>             > mount is available. However, I still cannot Unpark the mount with

> either the APCC button or the ASCOM

> V2

>             > button.

>             >

>             > I tried Unparking with both programs using the Last Park and Park 4 (my keypad needs an upgrade). No

>             > response.

>             >

>             > I also tried to first Park and then Unpark. Again, no response.

>             >

>             > Reconnecting the Internet-RigRunner cable - to the motherboard port - caused the connection to fail.

>             > Reconnecting the Digital Logger cable did not affect the connection.

>             >

>             > Your video lasted a lot longer than my test. I can, apparently,

> connect the mount to APCC and AP V2 but I am

>             > not able to use that connection in any meaningful way.

>             >

>             > I've again left some images in my Dropbox folder. They show the LAN

> settings and what happened when I tried

>             > Parking and Unparking. Hopefully, there might be a clue there.

>             > https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihmtigiyzllsmmk/APCC%20Simpson%20Screen%20Captures.zip?dl=0

>             >

>             >

>             > Thanks,

>             >

>             > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:

>             >

>             >

>             >       Dan,

>             >

>             >       One more thought...

>             >

>             >       if there is a router on your LAN with an internet connection, what is the subnet of the LAN you are

> using?

>             > (eg. 192.168.1.0)

>             >

>             >       If the CP4 is setup to accept a DHCP address it should be provided one by your router. It shouldn't

> need to

>             > be on the 169.254.1.x LAN.

>             >

>             >       -Ray Gralak

>             >       Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro

>             >       Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com

>             >       Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

>             >

>             >

>             >       > -----Original Message-----

>             >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson

>             >       > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:57 AM

>             >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io

>             >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

>             >       >

>             >       > Ray,

>             >       > Thanks for the video. I was unaware of the Find feature in the Connection box which is very nice.

>             >       >

>             >       > Unfortunately, when I click on the Find button the window pops up but does not show any

> connection

>             > options.

>             >       > I've attached a snip.

>             >       >

>             >       > Power is definitely on, Cat5e cable is blinking. Keypad is on.

>             >       >

>             >       > I also tried eliminating a couple of network switches with a straight run between the computer and

> the

>             > mount, but

>             >       > no joy.

>             >       >

>             >       > Closing the Find window and clicking on Mount Connect shows the mount as Parked,

> Tracking=Zero but

>             > the

>             >       > APCC Unpark button is non-functional.

>             >       >

>             >       > I went ahead and connected the AP V2 ASCOM Driver and tried Unpark. Again, the Mount Info

> Park

>             > shows

>             >       > Unparked for a moment but quickly reverts to Parked.

>             >       >

>             >       > I tried connecting TheSkyX and found I could connect and perform a successful goto.

>             >       >

>             >       > I tried Parking with TSX and it sent the mount to the Park position but the slew message said

> Parking

>             > and never

>             >       > went to Parked. TSX remained frozen in this state.

>             >       >

>             >       > So, what I believe is wrong is the GTOCP4 unit is hosed. There seems to be a communication

> issue

>             > where it is not

>             >       > reporting or recording the current state. It may be something in the firmware or it may be a physical

>             > problem. All of

>             >       > this is way beyond my pay grade. I think I need to contact AP directly and try to work through this

> with

>             > them. Do

>             >       > you think that is a reasonable conclusion?

>             >       >

>             >       > Thanks for all the time and help.

>             >       > Dan

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 3:46 PM Dan Simpson via groups.io <dbs2144@...>

> wrote:

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >       Thanks Ray, I'll take a look later this evening.

>             >       >

>             >       >       I will say I did forget to check that there was power to the mount when I first started up today.

> The

>             > runaway

>             >       > at the end of my last session had caused me to hit the power switch on the 12vdc power supply

> not my

>             > Digital

>             >       > Logger switch. When I switched on the DL this morning it faithfully switched on but the power

> supply

>             > switch was

>             >       > still off. Took me a bit to figure it out.

>             >       >

>             >       >       Thanks,

>             >       >       Dan

>             >       >

>             >       >       On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 3:23 PM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >               Dan,

>             >       >

>             >       >               Here is a link to the youtube video demonstrating park and unpark.

>             >       >

>             >       >               To provide a baseline try to perform the operations I do in the video *exactly* the way I

> have

>             > done

>             >       > them.

>             >       >

>             >       >               https://youtu.be/shWsRr-gRWE

>             >       >

>             >       >               -Ray Gralak

>             >       >               Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-

> pro

>             >       >               Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com

>             >       >               Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >

>             >       >

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>             >

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>

 

 


Re: Bad images _Bouncing stars

Michael Hambrick <mike.hambrick@...>
 

OK A little more clarification. My issue was caused by using too high a guide rate. This was with my old 800 mount with the old 8010 controller with mechanical relays. It had the option to change the guide rate and mine had somehow gotten changed from 2X to 8X and I was getting all kinds of weird behavior.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...




From:        "Michael Hambrick via groups.io" <mike.hambrick@...>
To:        main@ap-gto.groups.io
Date:        2020-04-28 09:45 AM
Subject:        Re: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars
Sent by:        main@ap-gto.groups.io




Maybe try checking your guiding aggressiveness and response. It seems that I had a similar issue once when the guider was trying to overcorrect.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick

ARLANX
EO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...




From:        
"uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io" <chris1011@...>
To:        
main@ap-gto.groups.io
Date:        
2020-04-28 09:22 AM
Subject:        
Re: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars
Sent by:        
main@ap-gto.groups.io




Which guider program?

MaximDL will do a zigzag search when it loses a guide star. The result is what you show in your image. PHD may also do something similar when the guide star is lost.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: John Thompson via groups.io <jbtgolfer@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Apr 28, 2020 8:44 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars

I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?







Re: Bad images _Bouncing stars

Michael Hambrick <mike.hambrick@...>
 

Maybe try checking your guiding aggressiveness and response. It seems that I had a similar issue once when the guider was trying to overcorrect.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...




From:        "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io" <chris1011@...>
To:        main@ap-gto.groups.io
Date:        2020-04-28 09:22 AM
Subject:        Re: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars
Sent by:        main@ap-gto.groups.io




Which guider program?

MaximDL will do a zigzag search when it loses a guide star. The result is what you show in your image. PHD may also do something similar when the guide star is lost.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: John Thompson via groups.io <jbtgolfer@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Apr 28, 2020 8:44 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars

I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?




Re: Bad images _Bouncing stars

Roland Christen
 

Which guider program?

MaximDL will do a zigzag search when it loses a guide star. The result is what you show in your image. PHD may also do something similar when the guide star is lost.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: John Thompson via groups.io <jbtgolfer@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Apr 28, 2020 8:44 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars

I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?


Re: Bad images _Bouncing stars

W Hilmo
 

I had an issue on one outing with my AP1600 (with encoders), where I would get perfectly round stars – but a handful of them each night would have faint tails.

 

It looked for all the world like a mount problem, but it turned out to be something surprising.  What has happening is that after a filter change, my focuser would move a bit due to per-filter focus offsets.  If the offset caused the filter knob to turn counter-clockwise, everything would be fine.  If the filter offset caused a clockwise turn, however, my focus motor would do a large backlash runout.  Mirror shift during the backlash compensation would push the guide star out of position in the OAG.  The tail was the result of the image capture starting before the guide star was recovered.

 

To correct the problem in my case, I needed to disable guiding during filter change.

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Shade
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars

 

I have had a similar problem with my 1600.  I run ACP...everything runs along fine...would shoot a series of R, G, B frames.  All of them are fine except there will be several in a row where the mount oscillated in RA-the star is there but there are "ears" where it oscillated.  Intermittent, which as you know are the hardest problems to DX.  No clouds or anything.  Have you seen what you mount can do unguided as a base?  Is everything smooth meaning cables and such?  Imaging train snug?

 

Mike J. Shade

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

 

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west.  Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east?  Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

 

International Dark Sky Association: www.darksky.org

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Thompson via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:44 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars

 

I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?


Re: Bad images _Bouncing stars

 

are you guiding? if so, which guiding app


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:44 AM John Thompson via groups.io <jbtgolfer=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Bad images _Bouncing stars

Roland Christen
 

Need more information:

Encoder or non-encoder mount?
Which axis?

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: John Thompson via groups.io <jbtgolfer@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Apr 28, 2020 8:44 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars

I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?


Re: Bad images _Bouncing stars

Mike Shade
 

I have had a similar problem with my 1600.  I run ACP...everything runs along fine...would shoot a series of R, G, B frames.  All of them are fine except there will be several in a row where the mount oscillated in RA-the star is there but there are "ears" where it oscillated.  Intermittent, which as you know are the hardest problems to DX.  No clouds or anything.  Have you seen what you mount can do unguided as a base?  Is everything smooth meaning cables and such?  Imaging train snug?

 

Mike J. Shade

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

 

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west.  Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east?  Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

 

International Dark Sky Association: www.darksky.org

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Thompson via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:44 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars

 

I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?


Re: AP1100 CP4 pier crash

Ray Gralak
 

Eric,

What is your use case where you would potentially leave the mount tracking?

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric M
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP1100 CP4 pier crash

Thanks for the info Ray, having a PC connected initially wouldn't be a problem and I very rarely unlock the
clutches. If it needs to be reprogrammed after every sync that sounds like it could be a pain, that is something I
frequently do.

Bryan the safe zones on page 41 are what I was hoping would be available, but it looks like this only protects
against a slew command putting it in an unwanted spot. It sounds like it does not offer protection for standard
tracking and doesn't accept values past the meridian.


Re: Bad images _Bouncing stars

Steve Reilly
 

I get this from time to time and it seems the guide star gets lost and you get these or worse results. It could have been at any point in the exposure that the clouds moved in temporarily or near the end. I have some from SRO that look like lightning strikes. Space lightning, yeah that’s what it is.

 

-Steve

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Thompson via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:44 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Bad images _Bouncing stars

 

I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?


Bad images _Bouncing stars

John Thompson <jbtgolfer@...>
 

I need some advice I am getting bad images 80% of the time due to "bouncing" stars. It's a zig -zag pattern. It seems to occur on the East side of my AP 1600 mount. I have attached an image. Has anyone seen this pattern and any suggestions?


Re: AP1100 CP4 pier crash

Eric M
 

Thanks for the info Ray, having a PC connected initially wouldn't be a problem and I very rarely unlock the clutches. If it needs to be reprogrammed after every sync that sounds like it could be a pain, that is something I frequently do. 
 
Bryan the safe zones on page 41 are what I was hoping would be available, but it looks like this only protects against a slew command putting it in an unwanted spot. It sounds like it does not offer protection for standard tracking and doesn't accept values past the meridian. 


Re: AP1100 CP4 pier crash

Worsel
 

Eric

See page 41 in https://astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/keypad/keypad-manual.pdf

Does this meet your needs?

Bryan


Re: AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Dan,

I was finally able to try a serial/USB FTDI adapter this morning. Had to track one down from a friend. This setup
is connecting. and seems to be working properly!
So, the problem is not with the CP4 or the software, but likely your connection.

I would prefer to keep my original connection setup as the adapter presents some cable snag issues. Is there
anything else I can try?
This is going to require you to learn a little about networking and your home router. That's going to be up to you to do that research. :-)

That said, I suggest you follow what I suggested to Jack in a post yesterday. That is put your computer and CP4 on your local LAN and configure your home router to use DHCP (usually they are set that way by default).

Then APCC should be able to find your CP4 and communicate correctly. One caveat... when using DHCP the router may assign a different IP address to the CP4 each time the CP4 is power on. If you don't want to use the Find CP4/5 button in APCC when that happens then I suggest you configure your router to provide the CP4 with a static IP address. This will reserve that IP address for the CP4 and it won't change as long as you use that router.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 9:39 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

Hi Ray,
I did try using a USB cable yesterday but got no response from the mount.

I was finally able to try a serial/USB FTDI adapter this morning. Had to track one down from a friend. This setup
is connecting. and seems to be working properly!


I would prefer to keep my original connection setup as the adapter presents some cable snag issues. Is there
anything else I can try?
Thanks,
Dan




On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 9:30 PM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:


Dan,

It sounds like you may have a network problem. So, did you try the alternative I suggested? That is
connecting APCC via its USB or serial port? If that works, or doesn't work, helps isolate the problem.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:46 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC
>
> Hi Ray,
> I guess my first question would be: what changed? I can't remember the last time I dug into the network
settings.
> I've been using this exact same setup (GTOCP4, Cat5e, couple of network switches and a dual NIC) for
well over
> a year. Again, I did nothing, consciously, to change it.
>
> In order to simplify things I've run a single straight Cat5e cable between the mount and the computer. I
also
> disconnected the two other Cat5e cables just to be sure.
>
> The one thing that changed right away is that clicking the Find button in the APCC Connection window
shows the
> mount is available. However, I still cannot Unpark the mount with either the APCC button or the ASCOM
V2
> button.
>
> I tried Unparking with both programs using the Last Park and Park 4 (my keypad needs an upgrade). No
> response.
>
> I also tried to first Park and then Unpark. Again, no response.
>
> Reconnecting the Internet-RigRunner cable - to the motherboard port - caused the connection to fail.
> Reconnecting the Digital Logger cable did not affect the connection.
>
> Your video lasted a lot longer than my test. I can, apparently, connect the mount to APCC and AP V2
but I am
> not able to use that connection in any meaningful way.
>
> I've again left some images in my Dropbox folder. They show the LAN settings and what happened
when I tried
> Parking and Unparking. Hopefully, there might be a clue there.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihmtigiyzllsmmk/APCC%20Simpson%20Screen%20Captures.zip?dl=0
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dan,
>
> One more thought...
>
> if there is a router on your LAN with an internet connection, what is the subnet of the LAN you are
using?
> (eg. 192.168.1.0)
>
> If the CP4 is setup to accept a DHCP address it should be provided one by your router. It shouldn't
need to
> be on the 169.254.1.x LAN.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson
> > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:57 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC
> >
> > Ray,
> > Thanks for the video. I was unaware of the Find feature in the Connection box which is very nice.
> >
> > Unfortunately, when I click on the Find button the window pops up but does not show any
connection
> options.
> > I've attached a snip.
> >
> > Power is definitely on, Cat5e cable is blinking. Keypad is on.
> >
> > I also tried eliminating a couple of network switches with a straight run between the computer and
the
> mount, but
> > no joy.
> >
> > Closing the Find window and clicking on Mount Connect shows the mount as Parked,
Tracking=Zero but
> the
> > APCC Unpark button is non-functional.
> >
> > I went ahead and connected the AP V2 ASCOM Driver and tried Unpark. Again, the Mount Info
Park
> shows
> > Unparked for a moment but quickly reverts to Parked.
> >
> > I tried connecting TheSkyX and found I could connect and perform a successful goto.
> >
> > I tried Parking with TSX and it sent the mount to the Park position but the slew message said
Parking
> and never
> > went to Parked. TSX remained frozen in this state.
> >
> > So, what I believe is wrong is the GTOCP4 unit is hosed. There seems to be a communication
issue
> where it is not
> > reporting or recording the current state. It may be something in the firmware or it may be a physical
> problem. All of
> > this is way beyond my pay grade. I think I need to contact AP directly and try to work through this
with
> them. Do
> > you think that is a reasonable conclusion?
> >
> > Thanks for all the time and help.
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 3:46 PM Dan Simpson via groups.io <dbs2144=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks Ray, I'll take a look later this evening.
> >
> > I will say I did forget to check that there was power to the mount when I first started up today.
The
> runaway
> > at the end of my last session had caused me to hit the power switch on the 12vdc power supply
not my
> Digital
> > Logger switch. When I switched on the DL this morning it faithfully switched on but the power
supply
> switch was
> > still off. Took me a bit to figure it out.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 3:23 PM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > Here is a link to the youtube video demonstrating park and unpark.
> >
> > To provide a baseline try to perform the operations I do in the video *exactly* the way I
have
> done
> > them.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/shWsRr-gRWE
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-
pro
> > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Re: AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

Dan Simpson
 

Hi Ray,
I did try using a USB cable yesterday but got no response from the mount. 

I was finally able to try a serial/USB FTDI adapter this morning. Had to track one down from a friend. This setup is connecting. and seems to be working properly!

I would prefer to keep my original connection setup as the adapter presents some cable snag issues. Is there anything else I can try?
Thanks,
Dan 

 

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 9:30 PM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
Dan,

It sounds like you may have a network problem. So, did you try the alternative I suggested? That is connecting APCC via its USB or serial port? If that works, or doesn't work, helps isolate the problem.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:46 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC
>
> Hi Ray,
> I guess my first question would be: what changed? I can't remember the last time I dug into the network settings.
> I've been using this exact same setup (GTOCP4, Cat5e, couple of network switches and a dual NIC) for well over
> a year.  Again, I did nothing, consciously, to change it.
>
> In order to simplify things I've run a single straight Cat5e cable between the mount and the computer. I also
> disconnected the two other Cat5e cables just to be sure.
>
> The one thing that changed right away is that clicking the Find button in the APCC Connection window shows the
> mount is available. However, I still cannot Unpark the mount with either the APCC button or the ASCOM V2
> button.
>
> I tried Unparking with both programs using the Last Park and Park 4 (my keypad needs an upgrade). No
> response.
>
> I also tried to first Park and then Unpark. Again, no response.
>
> Reconnecting the Internet-RigRunner cable - to the motherboard port - caused the connection to fail.
> Reconnecting the Digital Logger cable did not affect the connection.
>
> Your video lasted a lot longer than my test. I can, apparently, connect the mount to APCC and AP V2 but I am
> not able to use that connection in any meaningful way.
>
> I've again left some images in my Dropbox folder. They show the LAN settings and what happened when I tried
> Parking and Unparking. Hopefully, there might be a clue there.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihmtigiyzllsmmk/APCC%20Simpson%20Screen%20Captures.zip?dl=0
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
>
>
>       Dan,
>
>       One more thought...
>
>       if there is a router on your LAN with an internet connection, what is the subnet of the LAN you are using?
> (eg. 192.168.1.0)
>
>       If the CP4 is setup to accept a DHCP address it should be provided one by your router. It shouldn't need to
> be on the 169.254.1.x LAN.
>
>       -Ray Gralak
>       Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
>       Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
>       Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
>       > -----Original Message-----
>       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson
>       > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:57 AM
>       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC
>       >
>       > Ray,
>       > Thanks for the video. I was unaware of the Find feature in the Connection box which is very nice.
>       >
>       > Unfortunately, when I click on the Find button the window pops up but does not show any connection
> options.
>       > I've attached a snip.
>       >
>       > Power is definitely on, Cat5e cable is blinking. Keypad is on.
>       >
>       > I also tried eliminating a couple of network switches with a straight run between the computer and the
> mount, but
>       > no joy.
>       >
>       > Closing the Find window and clicking on Mount Connect shows the mount as Parked, Tracking=Zero but
> the
>       > APCC Unpark button is non-functional.
>       >
>       > I went ahead and connected the AP V2 ASCOM Driver and tried Unpark. Again, the Mount Info Park
> shows
>       > Unparked for a moment but quickly reverts to Parked.
>       >
>       > I tried connecting TheSkyX and found I could connect and perform a successful goto.
>       >
>       > I tried Parking with TSX and it sent the mount to the Park position but the slew message said Parking
> and never
>       > went to Parked. TSX remained frozen in this state.
>       >
>       > So, what I believe is wrong is the GTOCP4 unit is hosed. There seems to be a communication issue
> where it is not
>       > reporting or recording the current state. It may be something in the firmware or it may be a physical
> problem. All of
>       > this is way beyond my pay grade. I think I need to contact AP directly and try to work through this with
> them. Do
>       > you think that is a reasonable conclusion?
>       >
>       > Thanks for all the time and help.
>       > Dan
>       >
>       >
>       > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 3:46 PM Dan Simpson via groups.io <dbs2144=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>       >
>       >
>       >       Thanks Ray, I'll take a look later this evening.
>       >
>       >       I will say I did forget to check that there was power to the mount when I first started up today. The
> runaway
>       > at the end of my last session had caused me to hit the power switch on the 12vdc power supply not my
> Digital
>       > Logger switch. When I switched on the DL this morning it faithfully switched on but the power supply
> switch was
>       > still off. Took me a bit to figure it out.
>       >
>       >       Thanks,
>       >       Dan
>       >
>       >       On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 3:23 PM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
>       >
>       >
>       >               Dan,
>       >
>       >               Here is a link to the youtube video demonstrating park and unpark.
>       >
>       >               To provide a baseline try to perform the operations I do in the video *exactly* the way I have
> done
>       > them.
>       >
>       >               https://youtu.be/shWsRr-gRWE
>       >
>       >               -Ray Gralak
>       >               Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
>       >               Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
>       >               Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: AP1100 CP4 pier crash

Ray Gralak
 

Eric,

I typically don't use a laptop when I image so APCC won't be of any help. Is what Christopher said true? Can this
really be done on the CP4?
It requires some sort of computer to setup the CP4 and monitor the mount position as you would have to send commands to the CP4. If the CP4 does not receive any commands for a certain period of time the mount can stop tracking and park itself in place. There are soft limits that can be setup but there's a lot of complexity in getting the commands right. If you sync/recal/unlock clutches+move scope then the limits need to be reprogrammed.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric M
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:04 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP1100 CP4 pier crash

I typically don't use a laptop when I image so APCC won't be of any help. Is what Christopher said true? Can this
really be done on the CP4?

If not, is it possible this could be added? Some simple safety limits (at the CP4 level) past the meridian sure
would give some piece of mind that our investments are protected and I'm sure would prevent many of the
crashes we hear about, something as simple as "if the mount reaches X minutes past meridian, stop tracking".

Eric


Re: AP1100 CP4 pier crash

Eric M
 

I typically don't use a laptop when I image so APCC won't be of any help. Is what Christopher said true? Can this really be done on the CP4? 

If not, is it possible this could be added? Some simple safety limits (at the CP4 level) past the meridian sure would give some piece of mind that our investments are protected and I'm sure would prevent many of the crashes we hear about, something as simple as "if the mount reaches X minutes past meridian, stop tracking". 

Eric


Re: CP4 Firmware Upgrade Failure

Roland Christen
 

Connect your Ethernet cable to the mount, then turn power on to the mount (or cycle power is mount is already on). It should connect. You can also use the Find Mount program to connect your mount to your laptop.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Huerkamp <Mallincamusa@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2020 4:02 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] CP4 Firmware Upgrade Failure

I found my Astro Physics username and password.  I downloaded the latest CP4 firmware package and unzipped the contents into a folder on my desktop  I printed out the installation instructions and I got as far as "Determine Your IP Address"
I tried three different CAT6 cables connected to the Ethernet port on the CR4 and to my computer.  Since my serial number is CP4-0109, I calculated that the IP address would be: 168.254.0.109 
I disconnected the keypad from the CR4 and I also disconnected the Serial connection to the top DB9 connection (I connect to the mount via a Serial to USB on to the computer.)  I left the power cable, the CAT6 cable and the Wye Motor cable connected to the CP4.
Since I have APCC Standard (latest version), I tried starting it to get/verify the IP address.  When I selected TCP LAN/WiFi or UDP LAN/WiFI, I got an invalid V Chip error.
 
I closed APCC and tried using Edge, Mozilla and MX5 browsers to access 168.254.0.109.  In all cases the browser timed out.
 
So now I cannot get a browser to recognize the IP address of the CP4.

Now what?  

Can I remove the VP4 from the mount, bring it into the house, power it up and try connecting it to my computer with a short CAT6 cable to update the firmware?

Yours truly,

Jack Huerkamp
 
 


Re: AP1100 CP4 pier crash

Roland Christen
 


Sure would be nice if a meridian flip fails for some reason, power is left on and forgotten about, or if connected to a laptop and the laptop crashes and the mount has nothing to tell it to stop tracking or park at the end of the night.
All that is already in APCC. The mount can be programmed to do all of the above.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric M <eric.marlatt@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Apr 25, 2020 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP1100 CP4 pier crash

Could limits be programmed into the control box to stop this from being a danger? Sure would be nice if a meridian flip fails for some reason, power is left on and forgotten about, or if connected to a laptop and the laptop crashes and the mount has nothing to tell it to stop tracking or park at the end of the night. I know APCC addresses some of these situations, but requiring a computer to be connected at all times is not always ideal. Seems like it would be a huge bonus to safety, we have some pretty expensive equipment riding on these mounts. 

Eric


Re: AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Dan,

It sounds like you may have a network problem. So, did you try the alternative I suggested? That is connecting APCC via its USB or serial port? If that works, or doesn't work, helps isolate the problem.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC

Hi Ray,
I guess my first question would be: what changed? I can't remember the last time I dug into the network settings.
I've been using this exact same setup (GTOCP4, Cat5e, couple of network switches and a dual NIC) for well over
a year. Again, I did nothing, consciously, to change it.

In order to simplify things I've run a single straight Cat5e cable between the mount and the computer. I also
disconnected the two other Cat5e cables just to be sure.

The one thing that changed right away is that clicking the Find button in the APCC Connection window shows the
mount is available. However, I still cannot Unpark the mount with either the APCC button or the ASCOM V2
button.

I tried Unparking with both programs using the Last Park and Park 4 (my keypad needs an upgrade). No
response.

I also tried to first Park and then Unpark. Again, no response.

Reconnecting the Internet-RigRunner cable - to the motherboard port - caused the connection to fail.
Reconnecting the Digital Logger cable did not affect the connection.

Your video lasted a lot longer than my test. I can, apparently, connect the mount to APCC and AP V2 but I am
not able to use that connection in any meaningful way.

I've again left some images in my Dropbox folder. They show the LAN settings and what happened when I tried
Parking and Unparking. Hopefully, there might be a clue there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihmtigiyzllsmmk/APCC%20Simpson%20Screen%20Captures.zip?dl=0


Thanks,

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:


Dan,

One more thought...

if there is a router on your LAN with an internet connection, what is the subnet of the LAN you are using?
(eg. 192.168.1.0)

If the CP4 is setup to accept a DHCP address it should be provided one by your router. It shouldn't need to
be on the 169.254.1.x LAN.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Simpson
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:57 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP 1200 won't unpark via APCC
>
> Ray,
> Thanks for the video. I was unaware of the Find feature in the Connection box which is very nice.
>
> Unfortunately, when I click on the Find button the window pops up but does not show any connection
options.
> I've attached a snip.
>
> Power is definitely on, Cat5e cable is blinking. Keypad is on.
>
> I also tried eliminating a couple of network switches with a straight run between the computer and the
mount, but
> no joy.
>
> Closing the Find window and clicking on Mount Connect shows the mount as Parked, Tracking=Zero but
the
> APCC Unpark button is non-functional.
>
> I went ahead and connected the AP V2 ASCOM Driver and tried Unpark. Again, the Mount Info Park
shows
> Unparked for a moment but quickly reverts to Parked.
>
> I tried connecting TheSkyX and found I could connect and perform a successful goto.
>
> I tried Parking with TSX and it sent the mount to the Park position but the slew message said Parking
and never
> went to Parked. TSX remained frozen in this state.
>
> So, what I believe is wrong is the GTOCP4 unit is hosed. There seems to be a communication issue
where it is not
> reporting or recording the current state. It may be something in the firmware or it may be a physical
problem. All of
> this is way beyond my pay grade. I think I need to contact AP directly and try to work through this with
them. Do
> you think that is a reasonable conclusion?
>
> Thanks for all the time and help.
> Dan
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 3:46 PM Dan Simpson via groups.io <dbs2144=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Ray, I'll take a look later this evening.
>
> I will say I did forget to check that there was power to the mount when I first started up today. The
runaway
> at the end of my last session had caused me to hit the power switch on the 12vdc power supply not my
Digital
> Logger switch. When I switched on the DL this morning it faithfully switched on but the power supply
switch was
> still off. Took me a bit to figure it out.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 3:23 PM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Here is a link to the youtube video demonstrating park and unpark.
>
> To provide a baseline try to perform the operations I do in the video *exactly* the way I have
done
> them.
>
> https://youtu.be/shWsRr-gRWE
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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