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Re: Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

Dean Jacobsen
 

Yes, it would be interesting to see a picture.  Sounds like a nice setup.
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Re: Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

Rick Socarras
 

This setup sounds really great.  Can you share a picture of your Apache case and it's contents.  I'm starting to really love that idea.  In fact, I think my plan is to copy your setup exactly!  


Re: Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

Rick Socarras
 

The keypad was not shipped with my order.  I assume the final software has not been released.


Re: Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

Rick Socarras
 

Frank,

Thankyou.  The Mach 2 has a USB and power running through it so I need to figure out if below the mount or the moving side is best.  I'm also running headless with an industrial PC that runs at 12V.  The moving part will have a PegasusAstro Powerbox with all the USBs and additional power breakouts.  I like the WEMO switch idea.  I also agree with Windows Remote Desktop as it just works.


Re: Mach2 Status Update

Cheng-Yang Tan
 

Hi Karen,
  This is probably too soon to ask, but when do you think the next batch will be made? I’m seriously thinking of buying one and would like to know the approximate wait time if I put myself on the list. If it’s more than a year, that’ll be enough time to save up :)

On Thursday, April 30, 2020, 8:06 PM, Karen Christen <karen@...> wrote:

Hello Dean,

 

The short answer to your question is: no.  The IL Governor has extended the Stay-at-Home order for another month with very few alterations.  The primary changes include allowing some parks to re-open, retail stores may now process online orders for pick-up or delivery, and garden centers may open (assumedly as a potential source of food).  But manufacturing, specifically for non-essential items, remains prohibited. 

 

Our office folks and some production staff will continue to do what they can at home, and the rest will remain out of the shop and not working.  Roland, Marj, and I are working 65-75 hours per week to do all we are able here at the shop.  We appreciate everyone’s patience.

 

Karen Christen

AP

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean Jacobsen
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:45 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 Status Update

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 07:54 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:

We are busy assembling and shipping. I have people doing sub-assemblies at home and I am doing all final assembly and testing here. There are mounts going out pretty much every day now.

I see that Illinois is opening up the stay at home order a bit. Will you be affected in a positive way?
 
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Astro-Physics


Re: Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

W Hilmo
 

I have a small form factor PC (a Core i5) installed in an Apache case, along
with a RigRunner, an Ethernet hub and a wireless router. I also have a
Pegasus Astro Ultimate PowerBox V2 mounted to the top dovetail plate on my
OTA. The Ultimate PowerBox runs the focuser and dew heaters, and provides a
USB hub for the main and guide cameras. I have one power cable and one USB
3 cable that run through the AP1600.

I have no cable snags because most of the cabling rides on the OTA and I
have just the two cables running through the mount. For setup and take
down, I have just the above 4 connections to plug in. And when I want to go
portable, I can take the OTA and Apache case along with my AP1100 and use
the same setup.

When I want to image, I carry the Apache case out to the mount and attach
the two through-the-mount cables to the computer. I then attach the
Ethernet and power cables from the CP4. At home, I have the wireless router
configured as a bridge to my how wireless network. In the field, I have the
wireless router configured to run as a hotspot. I run the whole thing by
using Remote Desktop to connect to the computer from a laptop, a tablet, or
another PC, depending on whether I am home or in the field.

This would work great with a Mach2. The only difference would be that I
would use the Mach2's power and USB routing instead of running my own cables
through the mount. I was inspired to change my setup to work like above
after looking at the Mach2 at Advanced Imaging Conference. That was a neat
setup with two refractors mounted side-by-side with an Ultimate PowerBox
between them. Prior to doing it this way, I mounted the PC, the RigRunner,
the wireless router, etc. on a plywood board. I strapped the board to the
pier and ran all the cables through the mount. The way that I'm doing it
now is much cleaner and easier.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank
Widmann via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

Rather than put a mini pc on the moving side of my AP 1600. I mount a
Startech 7-port industrial USB and a Rig Runner power distribution and run
two cables through the mount. I house an industrial mini PC and two power
supplies, one for the mount and one for the accessories, in a waterproof
cabinet. I use Belkin Wemo wireless switched outlets to turn power on and
off. I run the mini PC headless from my office using Windows Remote Desktop.


Frank


Re: Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

Dean Jacobsen
 

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 08:03 PM, Rick Socarras wrote:
  I did purchase the keypad should I go off to a remote site. 
Has the keypad software upgrade for the Mach2 been released?
 
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Re: Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

Frank Widmann
 

Rather than put a mini pc on the moving side of my AP 1600. I mount a Startech 7-port industrial USB and a Rig Runner power distribution and run two cables through the mount. I house an industrial mini PC and two power supplies, one for the mount and one for the accessories, in a waterproof cabinet. I use Belkin Wemo wireless switched outlets to turn power on and off. I run the mini PC headless from my office using Windows Remote Desktop.

Frank


Mach 2 Best Practice with PC #Mach2GTO

Rick Socarras
 

I'm expecting to receive my Mach 2 shortly and I've been wondering about how best to implement PC control.  I will use a Windows based PC using an Intel i5 riding on the mount.  My plan was to then remote access that PC.  However, I assume I can probably also install required software on any other PC off the mount and establish control that way as well.  So, my question is which of these is best practice?  I did purchase the keypad should I go off to a remote site.  Most of the time my plan is to use it at home.  Any advice?


Re: Parade of Sattelites

Woody Schlom
 

Yup, you got StarLinked!

 

I set TheSkyX Pro’s location to San Antonio, TX, turned on display satellites, and stepped through at one minute intervals.

 

Starting around 8:46pm local time, a cluster of StarLink satellites rose in the NW and set in the SE.  They disappeared over the SE horizon around 8:55pm local time.

 

It looked like the satellites in this group were:

SL-1373

SL-1338

SL-1377

SL-1376

SL-1372

SL-1378

SL-1379

 

There were also some StarLink and Falcon9 rocket bodies and parts in nearly the same orbits at the same time.

 

And soon we’ll have tens of thousands of these things up there.  Boggles the mind.  And I assume (yeah I know all about assumptions) that eventually instead of these things traveling in separate clumps, they’ll be pretty much continuous.

 

What, me worry?

 

Woody

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of M Hambrick
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Parade of Sattelites

 

Did anyone see the parade of sattelites that passed overhead about 9:00 pm CDT tonight (Southeast Texas location) ? There must have been two dozen spaced out evenly. The string stretched across the whole sky from Northwest to South east. Talk about messing up a bunch of astro-images. Does anyone know what these are ? Space-X ?

I am getting more and more frequent occurrences of images that have been ruined by a sattelite.


Re: Parade of Sattelites

Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri
 

Almost 100% sure those are the Starlink satellites that SpaceX is putting up. Thousands more to follow. Get that PixInsight integration process down pat to remove those outliers 😎


On Apr 30, 2020, at 10:29 PM, M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...> wrote:

Did anyone see the parade of sattelites that passed overhead about 9:00 pm CDT tonight (Southeast Texas location) ? There must have been two dozen spaced out evenly. The string stretched across the whole sky from Northwest to South east. Talk about messing up a bunch of astro-images. Does anyone know what these are ? Space-X ?

I am getting more and more frequent occurrences of images that have been ruined by a sattelite.


Parade of Sattelites

M Hambrick
 

Did anyone see the parade of sattelites that passed overhead about 9:00 pm CDT tonight (Southeast Texas location) ? There must have been two dozen spaced out evenly. The string stretched across the whole sky from Northwest to South east. Talk about messing up a bunch of astro-images. Does anyone know what these are ? Space-X ?

I am getting more and more frequent occurrences of images that have been ruined by a sattelite.


Re: Mach2 Status Update

Karen Christen
 

Hello Dean,

 

The short answer to your question is: no.  The IL Governor has extended the Stay-at-Home order for another month with very few alterations.  The primary changes include allowing some parks to re-open, retail stores may now process online orders for pick-up or delivery, and garden centers may open (assumedly as a potential source of food).  But manufacturing, specifically for non-essential items, remains prohibited. 

 

Our office folks and some production staff will continue to do what they can at home, and the rest will remain out of the shop and not working.  Roland, Marj, and I are working 65-75 hours per week to do all we are able here at the shop.  We appreciate everyone’s patience.

 

Karen Christen

AP

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean Jacobsen
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:45 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 Status Update

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 07:54 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:

We are busy assembling and shipping. I have people doing sub-assemblies at home and I am doing all final assembly and testing here. There are mounts going out pretty much every day now.

I see that Illinois is opening up the stay at home order a bit. Will you be affected in a positive way?
 
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Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/
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Astro-Physics


Re: Mach2 Status Update

Dean Jacobsen
 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 07:54 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:
We are busy assembling and shipping. I have people doing sub-assemblies at home and I am doing all final assembly and testing here. There are mounts going out pretty much every day now.
I see that Illinois is opening up the stay at home order a bit. Will you be affected in a positive way?
 
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http://astrophoto.net/wp/ 
Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/
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Re: Guider exposure times?

Mike Shade
 

No, that would be constant...the star shapes changed on each one minute exposure...round, oval from 7 o'clock to 1, then from 11 to 5, then from 9 to 3, it was random.  At .63"/pixel, 2940mm fl, and a generous aperture  it doesn't take much.  It was quite interesting and eye opening. 

 

Mike J. Shade

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

 

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west.  Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east?  Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

 

International Dark Sky Association: www.darksky.org

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steven Panish
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Guider exposure times?

 

Coma?  Bright head towards center, tail opposite?

 

I use 2-3" for guide exposure for a C11 w/reducer, 1750mm FL

 

Steve

 

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:52 PM Mike Shade <mshade@q.com> wrote:

Thanks for the input on this.  As we are now in the heat in SE AZ, there is a bit of ground heating during the day, in spite of my tree planting 20 years ago.  I did notice with the shorter guide exposures, the error graph in Maxim looked better, smoother and there was significantly less variation.  I did a series of tests last night pointing the scope at various elevations and doing a 1 minute unguided shot.  I was testing for some sort of sag or flexure in the optical components.  The results were interesting.  I shot at 85, 75, 65, 55, and 45 degrees elevation, pointed E, W, and then S.  In a series of several at the same location, the stars were all sorts of interesting shapes...round, ovoid in one direction, ovoid in another direction.  As there was no guiding, the only "live" axis was RA and the deviations were not tracking errors as they were not in line with this axis.  Interesting demonstration, at least to me of the effects of seeing variations.

 

Mike J. Shade

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

 

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west.  Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east?  Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

 

International Dark Sky Association: www.darksky.org

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Shade
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:53 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Guider exposure times?

 

Curious as to what people have for guider exposures for various systems.  Was having some issues guiding my 1600/CDK 17/Maxim 5.18/STL6303E (guiding with camera) in that the stars were not always round...almost but not quite, just a few pixels but enough to oblong the stars.  Always had somewhat longer guide exposures (7"-10") to try and even out seeing variations (which can be quite large with a 17" telescope).  The system can go unguided with reasonably round stars for the 382" worm cycle near zenith but guided images were a different story (I do need to guide the system).  So last night lowered the guide exposure to 2", aggressiveness to 5 and round guided stars.  What I think might have been happening is that with a longer guider exposure, there would be centroid changes between exposures and the system was reacting to these.  With a shorter exposure, this is not happening as the "deviation" is not allowed.

 

So, just curious as to what others have their systems setup for guiding and if my thinking on this makes sense.

 

Mike J. Shade

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

 

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west.  Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east?  Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

 

International Dark Sky Association: www.darksky.org

 


Re: Guider exposure times?

Steven Panish
 

Coma?  Bright head towards center, tail opposite?

I use 2-3" for guide exposure for a C11 w/reducer, 1750mm FL

Steve

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:52 PM Mike Shade <mshade@q.com> wrote:

Thanks for the input on this.  As we are now in the heat in SE AZ, there is a bit of ground heating during the day, in spite of my tree planting 20 years ago.  I did notice with the shorter guide exposures, the error graph in Maxim looked better, smoother and there was significantly less variation.  I did a series of tests last night pointing the scope at various elevations and doing a 1 minute unguided shot.  I was testing for some sort of sag or flexure in the optical components.  The results were interesting.  I shot at 85, 75, 65, 55, and 45 degrees elevation, pointed E, W, and then S.  In a series of several at the same location, the stars were all sorts of interesting shapes...round, ovoid in one direction, ovoid in another direction.  As there was no guiding, the only "live" axis was RA and the deviations were not tracking errors as they were not in line with this axis.  Interesting demonstration, at least to me of the effects of seeing variations.

 

Mike J. Shade

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

 

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west.  Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east?  Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

 

International Dark Sky Association: www.darksky.org

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Shade
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:53 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Guider exposure times?

 

Curious as to what people have for guider exposures for various systems.  Was having some issues guiding my 1600/CDK 17/Maxim 5.18/STL6303E (guiding with camera) in that the stars were not always round...almost but not quite, just a few pixels but enough to oblong the stars.  Always had somewhat longer guide exposures (7"-10") to try and even out seeing variations (which can be quite large with a 17" telescope).  The system can go unguided with reasonably round stars for the 382" worm cycle near zenith but guided images were a different story (I do need to guide the system).  So last night lowered the guide exposure to 2", aggressiveness to 5 and round guided stars.  What I think might have been happening is that with a longer guider exposure, there would be centroid changes between exposures and the system was reacting to these.  With a shorter exposure, this is not happening as the "deviation" is not allowed.

 

So, just curious as to what others have their systems setup for guiding and if my thinking on this makes sense.

 

Mike J. Shade

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

 

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west.  Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east?  Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

 

International Dark Sky Association: www.darksky.org

 


Re: Getting Files from Remote Systems

 

i use dropbox

i used to use an SD card, but now when i wake up in the morning, everything is on my processing desktop

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 1:52 PM Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looking for ideas on ways to get image data from remote sites. I’ve got an Eagle 3S running my system and storing data on its hard drive. I then connect from my local pc the next morning and download the data. With my current 26 megapixel 16-bit camera each sub is 51MB. With short subs that can add up to multi-gigabytes. I’m wondering if there is a way to incrementally transfer the files as they’re created using one of those folder real-time sync programs? Or other solution?



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Re: Getting Files from Remote Systems

Mark Striebeck
 

I use Google Drive in a similar manner: map my imaging directories to Google Drive directories and they get backed up automatically. I also keep my local machine that I'm processing the data online, so the next morning all images are locally available.

I also have a "Staging" Google drive directory where I store all my images from objects that I'm still working on. On my local machine, I go through the files, delete the bad ones and move the good ones to Staging. While I can now process them there further, this will also delete the files on telescope computer making sure that it doesn't run out of harddrive space.

And all the file transfer stuff happens in the background, i.e. I never have to wait. And the files are automatically backed up in case one or both machines die.

     Mark

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:36 PM Craig Anderson <craig@...> wrote:
Yep. I configured ACP to write data directly to DropBox folders unique to the requesting user, project, and object with filenames built around date, time, object, binning, exposure, and temp. I have ACP save the RAWs as well. Then the data just flows over as it comes in and I can preview, process, and enjoy at home. Works great. 

-Craig

On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...> wrote:

So you map the imaging scope folder and your local computer folder to DropBox with auto sync? 


On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Craig Anderson <craig@...> wrote:

I use DropBox. Works great!

-Craig

On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...> wrote:

Looking for ideas on ways to get image data from remote sites. I’ve got an Eagle 3S running my system and storing data on its hard drive. I then connect from my local pc the next morning and download the data. With my current 26 megapixel 16-bit camera each sub is 51MB. With short subs that can add up to multi-gigabytes. I’m wondering if there is a way to incrementally transfer the files as they’re created using one of those folder real-time sync programs? Or other solution?



Re: Getting Files from Remote Systems

Craig Anderson
 

Yep. I configured ACP to write data directly to DropBox folders unique to the requesting user, project, and object with filenames built around date, time, object, binning, exposure, and temp. I have ACP save the RAWs as well. Then the data just flows over as it comes in and I can preview, process, and enjoy at home. Works great. 

-Craig

On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...> wrote:

So you map the imaging scope folder and your local computer folder to DropBox with auto sync? 


On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Craig Anderson <craig@...> wrote:

I use DropBox. Works great!

-Craig

On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...> wrote:

Looking for ideas on ways to get image data from remote sites. I’ve got an Eagle 3S running my system and storing data on its hard drive. I then connect from my local pc the next morning and download the data. With my current 26 megapixel 16-bit camera each sub is 51MB. With short subs that can add up to multi-gigabytes. I’m wondering if there is a way to incrementally transfer the files as they’re created using one of those folder real-time sync programs? Or other solution?



Re: Getting Files from Remote Systems

Wayne Hixson
 

So you map the imaging scope folder and your local computer folder to DropBox with auto sync? 


On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Craig Anderson <craig@...> wrote:

I use DropBox. Works great!

-Craig

On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...> wrote:

Looking for ideas on ways to get image data from remote sites. I’ve got an Eagle 3S running my system and storing data on its hard drive. I then connect from my local pc the next morning and download the data. With my current 26 megapixel 16-bit camera each sub is 51MB. With short subs that can add up to multi-gigabytes. I’m wondering if there is a way to incrementally transfer the files as they’re created using one of those folder real-time sync programs? Or other solution?

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