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Rick Socarras
 

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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Stuart,

That's a good suggestion and may solve the problem. It depends on how the camera's driver works. Bill said he tried binning but that didn't seem to help which might mean the somewhere a full unbinned image is being downloaded first and then binned in computer memory. I don't know as I don't have one of these cameras to test with.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stuart
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:08 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray/Bill - can one do this using a sub-frame? I know that when plate solving I can choose whether to use the
whole frame or a sub frame. In that case, the file sizes would be quite manageable. But I don't use PEMPro (yet;
looking forward to trying it tho).


Stuart Heggie
http://www.stuartheggie.com/ <http://www.stuartheggie.com>;


On Fri, 8 May 2020 at 10:01, Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:


Bill,

I can't be sure because I don't have one of those cameras but this issue might not affect PEC acquisition
since only one full frame
image ever needs to be in memory at a time. From what you told me the problem with allocating the
Bitmaps doesn't occur until
PEMPro's polar alignment steps that requires three images to be in memory simultaneously. Each image
can use 60M * 4 bytes (240MB),
resulting in 720MB of memory out of the totally available GDI+ memory (1GB). Successful allocation of
those images also assumes that
the 1GB is not so fragmented that the large chunks can be allocated. If the graphics memory cannot be
allocated you will get the
error message you have reported.

Is there a possible solution? Maybe, but it may not be a quick and easy fix. It may also require purchasing
or borrowing a $5K
camera to test with. Plus, privately and publicly you seem to be demanding that I drop everything I am doing
to perform an immediate
fix for a camera that just came out that is causing an unexpected problem for which there may not be an
easy fix.

I told you privately I would look into this, but it is not likely going to be done soon and I can't promise you a
solution. If that
is not acceptable to you then I can refund the money you paid for PEMPro even though you've been using
it for years.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are
> talking about.
>
> And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>
> Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-
)
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> > the same framework.
> >
> > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like
> 30
> > years old man!
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
> >
> > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
> >
> > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc-
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc->
> >
>
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>
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > >
> > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>







--

Stuart
http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/
Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Stuart <stuart.j.heggie@...>
 

Ray/Bill - can one do this using a sub-frame? I know that when plate solving I can choose whether to use the whole frame or a sub frame. In that case, the file sizes would be quite manageable. But I don't use PEMPro (yet; looking forward to trying it tho).


On Fri, 8 May 2020 at 10:01, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
Bill,

I can't be sure because I don't have one of those cameras but this issue might not affect PEC acquisition since only one full frame
image ever needs to be in memory at a time. From what you told me the problem with allocating the Bitmaps doesn't occur until
PEMPro's polar alignment steps that requires three images to be in memory simultaneously. Each image can use 60M * 4 bytes (240MB),
resulting in 720MB of memory out of the totally available GDI+ memory (1GB). Successful allocation of those images also assumes that
the 1GB is not so fragmented that the large chunks can be allocated. If the graphics memory cannot be allocated you will get the
error message you have reported.

Is there a possible solution? Maybe, but it may not be a quick and easy fix. It may also require purchasing or borrowing a $5K
camera to test with. Plus, privately and publicly you seem to be demanding that I drop everything I am doing to perform an immediate
fix for a camera that just came out that is causing an unexpected problem for which there may not be an easy fix.

I told you privately I would look into this, but it is not likely going to be done soon and I can't promise you a solution.  If that
is not acceptable to you then I can refund the money you paid for PEMPro even though you've been using it for years.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are
> talking about.
>
> And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>
> Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> > the same framework.
> >
> > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like
> 30
> > years old man!
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
> >
> > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
> >
> > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > >
> > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>





--

Stuart
http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/
Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray Gralak
 

Bill,

I can't be sure because I don't have one of those cameras but this issue might not affect PEC acquisition since only one full frame
image ever needs to be in memory at a time. From what you told me the problem with allocating the Bitmaps doesn't occur until
PEMPro's polar alignment steps that requires three images to be in memory simultaneously. Each image can use 60M * 4 bytes (240MB),
resulting in 720MB of memory out of the totally available GDI+ memory (1GB). Successful allocation of those images also assumes that
the 1GB is not so fragmented that the large chunks can be allocated. If the graphics memory cannot be allocated you will get the
error message you have reported.

Is there a possible solution? Maybe, but it may not be a quick and easy fix. It may also require purchasing or borrowing a $5K
camera to test with. Plus, privately and publicly you seem to be demanding that I drop everything I am doing to perform an immediate
fix for a camera that just came out that is causing an unexpected problem for which there may not be an easy fix.

I told you privately I would look into this, but it is not likely going to be done soon and I can't promise you a solution. If that
is not acceptable to you then I can refund the money you paid for PEMPro even though you've been using it for years.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are
talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
the same framework.

Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like
30
years old man!

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Bill,

The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.

It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).

Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.

The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
Re: Meridian limits

Richard Spencer
 

Yes, extensively, step-by-step. I'll try to email you off-group.
Thank you,
Rick

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 01:41:33 PM EDT, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:


> We are trying to sort out meridian limits.  There seem to be "mount" meridian limits, and "APCC meridian limits".

Have you looked at the help file? If there is something not clear it would be good to know so that we can improve it.

Thanks,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Spencer via groups.io
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:07 AM
> To: Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> Subject: [ap-gto] Meridian limits
>
> Dear All,
>
> AP 1100 mount, APCC Pro
>
> We are trying to sort out meridian limits.  There seem to be "mount" meridian limits, and "APCC meridian limits".
>
> We believe:
> --Mount limits apply to slews
> --APCC limits apply to tracking and movement into CW up positions
>
> Is that right?  Does one set of limits supersede the other?  Do we use them together somehow?
>
> Thank you for any guidance!
>
> Rick Spencer
> Elkton, MD  21921

>
>
>




Re: Mach2 User Manual

Dominique Durand
 

Hi Rick,
Happy for you that you feast with your Mach2 and I am only more impatient to receive mine. Wayne and Terri who received their Mach2 at the beginning of March had N ° 14 and N ° 15, do you know what is the N ° of your Mach2?
I am personally used to the Mach1 (I had two until 11/2019) and as I also have an Eagle pier I confirm that this tripod is sublime and very effective. With a Mach2 it should make a perfect whole, as it does with the Mach1.
Good sky to you ... and cloudless.
Dominique
Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Bill Long
 

Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.

A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames produced by the camera.

If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.

-Bill



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft. 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> physics.com%2Fapcc-
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Bill Long
 

Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft. 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray Gralak
 

Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
the same framework.

Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
years old man!

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Bill,

The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.

It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).

Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
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physics.com%2Fapcc-
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C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
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37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.

The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
Re: AE"s and Enable Pointing Correction?

W Hilmo
 

I believe that may be because you are pointed very near to the NCP.  Try slewing away from the pole and see if the box gets checked.

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:35 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] AE"s and Enable Pointing Correction?

 

I'm using AE's and also have APPM running - but only "Enable Tracking Correction" is on by default.

Should I also have "Enable Pointing Correction" on?

Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Bill Long
 

The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses the same framework. 

Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30 years old man!

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Bill,

The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.

It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).

Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs%3D&amp;reserved=0
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
>
> The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
>




Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray Gralak
 

Bill,

The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.

It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).

Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.

The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Bill Long
 

Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work. 

The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
Re: AE"s and Enable Pointing Correction?

Ray Gralak
 

Should I also have "Enable Pointing Correction" on?
Yes.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:35 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] AE"s and Enable Pointing Correction?

I'm using AE's and also have APPM running - but only "Enable Tracking Correction" is on by default.

Should I also have "Enable Pointing Correction" on?
AE"s and Enable Pointing Correction?

Tony Benjamin
 

I'm using AE's and also have APPM running - but only "Enable Tracking Correction" is on by default.

Should I also have "Enable Pointing Correction" on?
Re: Mach2 User Manual

Rick Socarras
 

David,

I just received my Mach 2 a few days ago and I'm very happy to report that the learning curve is minimal.  Then again, I'm an IT person.  The most trouble I have had was an Intel i5 windows based PC that I selected to run the mount.  It's not a brand name PC and it's been trouble...lot's of it.  So I switched to a lowly PC stick running an intel Celeron J4105 processor and it's been a joy.  I'm running the Mach 2 headless (no screen/keyboard or mouse).  I connect to the PC stick with Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection and as mentioned the PC stick has been perfect running APCC pro, ASCOM and SkyX with guiding and camera and filter wheel.  So if you intend to run the mount with a PC attached learn from my mistake and pick a good one.

The bad news is I've only had the mount out for about 2 hours...clouds and weather!!!  What to watch out for...the FTDI serial drivers that you need to download.  It's in the manual.  The ASCOM and AP drivers are easy.  What else?  The biggest surprise I had was with the new clutch system.  I'm used to clutches that have some resistance...some friction.  When you remove a scope with these old style clutches the moving parts are held in place because they always have some friction.  The Mach 2 is not the same...when you release everything moves freely.  So my first time playing with the mount it just swung over and hit an internal stop.  Just be aware that it's a design I've never seen...a great one at that and I love it but you need to watch it.

Good luck and ask questions.  If it's nice out you will have to wait for my response.  I love the mount in so many ways.  I love how it sounds and looks.  I love the clutch system.  If I have ANY negative about the mount it's the weight of the entire piece.  It's not terrible but I'm not getting younger.  I will say this...my 99 year old grandfather would have been able to deal with the mount so there is hope.  You can't have everything and this was the compromise that was made and I agree with that compromise for many reasons.  A split mount would have made that mount a perfect 10!  It's a 9.9 as it is so I'm not complaining.  At least not yet...ask me in 15 years.

I also decided to go with the Eagle Pier and I have ZERO regrets.  What a fantastic tripod.  The Mach 2 replaces a Losmandy G11 and I hated moving that tripod.  The Eagle has a handle and the balance is great!  It's also not bulky in size like other tripods.  I serious considered other tripods and I was second guessing my choice of the Eagle tripod.  Not anymore...great tripod that is truly portable and manageable.

Rick

Rick
Re: What are the advantages of the APCC Pro

Mike Dodd
 

On 5/7/2020 2:23 PM, Steve C. Mitchell, Sr., O.D. wrote:
... it looks to
me like an option for a point modeling that should improve the pointing
accuracy is the main advantage. Is that correct or is there more to it
than that?
I have an AP1200 and I was planning to buy APCC Pro, but I was laid off from my part-time copy editing job, so hobby funds are scarce at the moment.

I know APCC will improve pointing accuracy, but I also think it can improve TRACKING accuracy, to the point where long unguided exposures might be possible. That was MY main reason for considering it.

Currently I use ACP automation software and MaxIm for imaging. I have a 130mm f/7 OTA, and guide with a 60mm f/5 scope and separate camera. When ACP runs an observing plan, it slews to the target, then plate-solves a test image and moves the mount if necessary to center the target to under 2 arcmin accuracy. My camera's FOV is 51x67 arcmin.

So for me, additional pointing accuracy isn't a big deal. However, the ability to take 10-minuite unguided images would be nice, but not essential -- ACP almost always finds a suitable guide star, and MaxIm's autoguider error typically is about 1 arcsec.

So, if I ever replenish my hobby money, I need to think about whether unguided imaging is worth the investment in APCC Pro, since I don't really need the improved pointing. Problem is, I don't know if APCC really could track well enough to give me good images.

And likewise you can decide if improved pointing and tracking are worth it.

HTH.

--
Mike

Mike Dodd
Louisa County, Virginia USA
http://astronomy.mdodd.com
Re: Adjust CP4 Clock Frequency

Roland Christen
 

I believe if you raise your altitude axis, turn the altitude knob clockwise about 1/4 turn, you will see your RA drift diminish. You can then go from there to null it out.

Roland



-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Young <craig.young.m8@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 7, 2020 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Adjust CP4 Clock Frequency

Roland,
I ran the clock test for 12 hours and there was no drift in the time.  That would indicate the crystal oscillator is well within the accuracy required since a 0.1% drift would be 43 seconds in 12 hours.

So the problem is elsewhere.  The next test is the ones you requested, but I would recommend that we close this post since it was a question about the crystal oscillator, and we work offline to try and determine why the large discrepancy between the AP model and ATrack.  If this is okay, go ahead and send me an email we can then exchange on.

Craig

Re: Adjust CP4 Clock Frequency

Craig Young
 

Roland,
I ran the clock test for 12 hours and there was no drift in the time.  That would indicate the crystal oscillator is well within the accuracy required since a 0.1% drift would be 43 seconds in 12 hours.

So the problem is elsewhere.  The next test is the ones you requested, but I would recommend that we close this post since it was a question about the crystal oscillator, and we work offline to try and determine why the large discrepancy between the AP model and ATrack.  If this is okay, go ahead and send me an email we can then exchange on.

Craig
Re: What are the advantages of the APCC Pro

Mojo Jones
 

I've opted not to buy Pro while it was available discounted (on a time limit). Being purely a mobile setup/takedown observer, I haven't uncovered any use cases where I actually needed the Pro version.

I'm convinced that my only real reason to buy it would be "because I want it." I think I can overcome that. :)

Mojo

On 5/7/20 1:23 PM, Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri wrote:
I actually have the same question. And I have been doing everything just as Steve said. I could have written that email 😎

Also lovin this mount. 

Mikey 


On May 7, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Steve C. Mitchell, Sr., O.D. <smitchell@...> wrote:



Hey Guys,

 

Recently purchased a AP1100 mount and am quite happy with everything so far. Curious about the advantage of upgrading to the Pro version of the APCC software. Been busy modifying my pier so I could mount this beast on it, getting all my equipment set up and running, trying to figure out all the new software…..a plethora of “things to do” lately and been loving every minute of it. Now I’ve got some time to think about this software thing. My initial thought is, you “need” the Pro version if you have the absolute encoders (which I do not have), otherwise it looks to me like an option for a point modeling that should improve the pointing accuracy is the main advantage. Is that correct or is there more to it than that?

 

Steve


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