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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Benoit
you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.
-- benoit
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
> >
> > short term fix?
> >
> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
> > problems especially on an open board like this.
> > If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
> >
> > Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via
> > groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
> > another company, no?
> >
> >
> >
> > Rolando
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Long <bill@...>
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> > Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
> > Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
> >
> > A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
> > Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the
> > problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames
> > produced by the camera.
> >
> > If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
> > supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > -Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> > Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
> > are talking about.
> >
> > And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
> >
> > Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
> > that uses
> > > the same framework.
> > >
> > > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
> > Thats like 30
> > > years old man!
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
> > pixels.
> > >
> > > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
> > >
> > > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
> > >
> > pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> > >
> > aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> > > %3D&reserved=0
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> > > physics.com%2Fapcc-
> > >
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> > > Author of PEMPro V3:
> > >
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%25
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> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > > >
> > > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > > >
> > > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian Valente
> > portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>
> >
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Hi Benoit, Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days. Thanks, I'll contact you offline! -Ray Gralak Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-proAuthor of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.comAuthor of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benoit Schillings
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.
-- benoit
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
Hi Brian,
That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that,
but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning
in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that
requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error
data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
short term fix?
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
Best,
Jim
Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>;
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via
groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
another company, no?
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not
the
problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large
frames
produced by the camera.
If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
-Bill
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->;
>
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>
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>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Brian
Brian Valente
portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>;
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.
-- benoit
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
Hi Brian,
That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
short term fix?
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
Best,
Jim
Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>;
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via
groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
another company, no?
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the
problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames
produced by the camera.
If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
-Bill
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Brian
Brian Valente
portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>;
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
is this a qhy or a zwo camera? zwo cameras hardware bin
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak < groups3@...> wrote: Hi Brian,
That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
>
> short term fix?
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>
>
> Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
> problems especially on an open board like this.
> If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
>
> Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
>
> Best,
>
> Jim
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via
> groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
> another company, no?
>
>
>
> Rolando
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Long <bill@...>
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
>
> Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
> Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
>
> A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
> Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the
> problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames
> produced by the camera.
>
> If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
> supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
>
> Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
> are talking about.
>
> And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>
> Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
> that uses
> > the same framework.
> >
> > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
> Thats like 30
> > years old man!
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
> pixels.
> >
> > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
> >
> > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
> >
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> >
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> > %3D&reserved=0
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> > physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> > %3D&reserved=0>
> > Author of PEMPro V3:
> >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%25
> 7
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> 37245139697681529&sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&reserved=
> > 0>
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&> ;
> >
> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> >
> %7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> > &reserved=0
> >
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
> >
> p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
> >
> 1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3
> > D&reserved=0>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > >
> > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> Brian Valente
> portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>
>
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Hi Brian, That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit. -Ray Gralak Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-proAuthor of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.comAuthor of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
short term fix?
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
Best,
Jim
Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>;
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via
groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
another company, no?
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the
problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames
produced by the camera.
If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
-Bill
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
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physics.com%2Fapcc-
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Author of PEMPro V3:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;amp;data=02%7C
01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C
637245148877595454&sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&reserved
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<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;data=02%7C01%
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Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&;amp;d
ata=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
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d=0>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->;
>
pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
>
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&reserved=0
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
>
pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
>
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> %3D&reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;amp;data=02%25
7
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;data=02%257>
>
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>
37245139697681529&sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&reserved=
> 0
>
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;amp;data=02%2
57
>
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>
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> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&;amp
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&;> ;
>
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> D&reserved=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Brian
Brian Valente
portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>;
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
short term fix?
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips < thefamily90@...> wrote:
Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
Best,
Jim
PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to another company, no?
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long < bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io < main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the problem, which is clearly apparent
with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames produced by the camera.
If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
-Bill
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&reserved=0
Author of PEMPro V3:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&reserved=0
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=wImqBU4%2BMfewx%2ByEQXOwGarlGaUgaKnhpdKikU9i9Sk%3D&reserved=0
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io < main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak < groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io < main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
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> %3D&reserved=0 < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%257
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> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&
> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
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Re: What are the advantages of the APCC Pro
Peter Bresler
I had APCC Pro...never could get a pointing model, and have been using SGP plate solves for months to locate objects. It usually works fine, and I accurately find objects. Since SGP is required for the plate solve pointing model in APCC Pro, it seemed like a duplication, but maybe there would be an advantage if unguided imaging is possible.
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
Best,
Jim
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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to another company, no?
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the problem, which is clearly apparent
with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames produced by the camera.
If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
-Bill
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&reserved=0
Author of PEMPro V3:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&reserved=0
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=wImqBU4%2BMfewx%2ByEQXOwGarlGaUgaKnhpdKikU9i9Sk%3D&reserved=0
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&reserved=0 < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&reserved=
> 0
> < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&reserved=
> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&
> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> &reserved=0
> < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
> p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
> 1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3
> D&reserved=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to another company, no?
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the problem, which is clearly apparent
with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames produced by the camera.
If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
-Bill
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&reserved=0
Author of PEMPro V3:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&reserved=0
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=wImqBU4%2BMfewx%2ByEQXOwGarlGaUgaKnhpdKikU9i9Sk%3D&reserved=0
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&reserved=0 < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&reserved=
> 0
> < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&reserved=
> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&
> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> &reserved=0
> < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
> p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
> 1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3
> D&reserved=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
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How did you find out your position on the
wait list ?
I am supposed to be on the wait list
for a Stowaway, but I have no idea where I stand. It would be nice to know
so I could do some planning.
Best Regards
Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Hi Stuart, That's a good suggestion and may solve the problem. It depends on how the camera's driver works. Bill said he tried binning but that didn't seem to help which might mean the somewhere a full unbinned image is being downloaded first and then binned in computer memory. I don't know as I don't have one of these cameras to test with. -Ray Gralak Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-proAuthor of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.comAuthor of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stuart
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:08 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Ray/Bill - can one do this using a sub-frame? I know that when plate solving I can choose whether to use the
whole frame or a sub frame. In that case, the file sizes would be quite manageable. But I don't use PEMPro (yet;
looking forward to trying it tho).
Stuart Heggie
http://www.stuartheggie.com/ <http://www.stuartheggie.com>;
On Fri, 8 May 2020 at 10:01, Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
Bill,
I can't be sure because I don't have one of those cameras but this issue might not affect PEC acquisition
since only one full frame
image ever needs to be in memory at a time. From what you told me the problem with allocating the
Bitmaps doesn't occur until
PEMPro's polar alignment steps that requires three images to be in memory simultaneously. Each image
can use 60M * 4 bytes (240MB),
resulting in 720MB of memory out of the totally available GDI+ memory (1GB). Successful allocation of
those images also assumes that
the 1GB is not so fragmented that the large chunks can be allocated. If the graphics memory cannot be
allocated you will get the
error message you have reported.
Is there a possible solution? Maybe, but it may not be a quick and easy fix. It may also require purchasing
or borrowing a $5K
camera to test with. Plus, privately and publicly you seem to be demanding that I drop everything I am doing
to perform an immediate
fix for a camera that just came out that is causing an unexpected problem for which there may not be an
easy fix.
I told you privately I would look into this, but it is not likely going to be done soon and I can't promise you a
solution. If that
is not acceptable to you then I can refund the money you paid for PEMPro even though you've been using
it for years.
Best regards,
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are
> talking about.
>
> And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>
> Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-
)
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
>
pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
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> physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
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>
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> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> > the same framework.
> >
> > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like
> 30
> > years old man!
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
> >
> > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
> >
> > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc-
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc->
> >
>
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> >
>
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> > Author of PEMPro V3:
> >
>
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> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> >
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&;amp
>
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> >
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> > D&reserved=0>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > >
> > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Stuart
http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Stuart <stuart.j.heggie@...>
Ray/Bill - can one do this using a sub-frame? I know that when plate solving I can choose whether to use the whole frame or a sub frame. In that case, the file sizes would be quite manageable. But I don't use PEMPro (yet; looking forward to trying it tho).
On Fri, 8 May 2020 at 10:01, Ray Gralak < groups3@...> wrote: Bill,
I can't be sure because I don't have one of those cameras but this issue might not affect PEC acquisition since only one full frame
image ever needs to be in memory at a time. From what you told me the problem with allocating the Bitmaps doesn't occur until
PEMPro's polar alignment steps that requires three images to be in memory simultaneously. Each image can use 60M * 4 bytes (240MB),
resulting in 720MB of memory out of the totally available GDI+ memory (1GB). Successful allocation of those images also assumes that
the 1GB is not so fragmented that the large chunks can be allocated. If the graphics memory cannot be allocated you will get the
error message you have reported.
Is there a possible solution? Maybe, but it may not be a quick and easy fix. It may also require purchasing or borrowing a $5K
camera to test with. Plus, privately and publicly you seem to be demanding that I drop everything I am doing to perform an immediate
fix for a camera that just came out that is causing an unexpected problem for which there may not be an easy fix.
I told you privately I would look into this, but it is not likely going to be done soon and I can't promise you a solution. If that
is not acceptable to you then I can refund the money you paid for PEMPro even though you've been using it for years.
Best regards,
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are
> talking about.
>
> And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>
> Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> Author of PEMPro V3:
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> ed=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> > the same framework.
> >
> > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like
> 30
> > years old man!
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
> >
> > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
> >
> > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
> >
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> >
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> > %3D&reserved=0 <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> > physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> > %3D&reserved=0>
> > Author of PEMPro V3:
> >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%25
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> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > >
> > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Stuart
http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bill, I can't be sure because I don't have one of those cameras but this issue might not affect PEC acquisition since only one full frame image ever needs to be in memory at a time. From what you told me the problem with allocating the Bitmaps doesn't occur until PEMPro's polar alignment steps that requires three images to be in memory simultaneously. Each image can use 60M * 4 bytes (240MB), resulting in 720MB of memory out of the totally available GDI+ memory (1GB). Successful allocation of those images also assumes that the 1GB is not so fragmented that the large chunks can be allocated. If the graphics memory cannot be allocated you will get the error message you have reported. Is there a possible solution? Maybe, but it may not be a quick and easy fix. It may also require purchasing or borrowing a $5K camera to test with. Plus, privately and publicly you seem to be demanding that I drop everything I am doing to perform an immediate fix for a camera that just came out that is causing an unexpected problem for which there may not be an easy fix. I told you privately I would look into this, but it is not likely going to be done soon and I can't promise you a solution. If that is not acceptable to you then I can refund the money you paid for PEMPro even though you've been using it for years. Best regards, -Ray Gralak Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-proAuthor of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.comAuthor of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are
talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
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physics.com%2Fapcc-
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Author of PEMPro V3:
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Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&;amp;d
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
the same framework.
Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
years old man!
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bill,
The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc- <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->;
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
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Yes, extensively, step-by-step. I'll try to email you off-group.
Thank you,
Rick
On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 01:41:33 PM EDT, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
> We are trying to sort out meridian limits. There seem to be "mount" meridian limits, and "APCC meridian limits". Have you looked at the help file? If there is something not clear it would be good to know so that we can improve it. Thanks, -Ray Gralak Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-proAuthor of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.comAuthor of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver> -----Original Message----- > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto: main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Spencer via groups.io > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:07 AM > To: Astro-Physics GTO Users Group > Subject: [ap-gto] Meridian limits > > Dear All, > > AP 1100 mount, APCC Pro > > We are trying to sort out meridian limits. There seem to be "mount" meridian limits, and "APCC meridian limits". > > We believe: > --Mount limits apply to slews > --APCC limits apply to tracking and movement into CW up positions > > Is that right? Does one set of limits supersede the other? Do we use them together somehow? > > Thank you for any guidance! > > Rick Spencer > Elkton, MD 21921 > > >
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Hi Rick,
Happy for you that you feast with your Mach2 and I am only more impatient to receive mine. Wayne and Terri who received their Mach2 at the beginning of March had N ° 14 and N ° 15, do you know what is the N ° of your Mach2?
I am personally used to the Mach1 (I had two until 11/2019) and as I also have an Eagle pier I confirm that this tripod is sublime and very effective. With a Mach2 it should make a perfect whole, as it does with the Mach1.
Good sky to you ... and cloudless.
Dominique
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the problem, which is clearly apparent
with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames produced by the camera.
If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
-Bill
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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&reserved=0
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
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> %3D&reserved=0 < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> %3D&reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
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> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&reserved=
> 0
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> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
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> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
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> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.
And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&reserved=0
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
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> %3D&reserved=0 < https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> %3D&reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
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> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&reserved=
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> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
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> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&
> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
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> p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [ mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about. And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB. Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-) -Ray Gralak Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-proAuthor of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.comAuthor of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
the same framework.
Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
years old man!
________________________________
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Bill,
The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
pro&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
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physics.com%2Fapcc-
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Author of PEMPro V3:
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
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