Re: Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager
Roland Christen
Post that on CN and watch them drool ;^))
Rolando
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From: uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 11:38 am Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager Clean as a whistle! (or hound's tooth?).
Rolando
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From: Dean Jacobsen <deanjacobsen@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 11:36 am Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager ... and finally, the Mach2 + scope has a new look. No guiding apparatus.
https://www.astrobin.com/yqzal0/C/ -- Dean Jacobsen http://astrophoto.net/wp/ Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/ Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/
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Re: Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager
Roland Christen
Clean as a whistle! (or hound's tooth?).
Rolando
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From: Dean Jacobsen <deanjacobsen@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 11:36 am Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager ... and finally, the Mach2 + scope has a new look. No guiding apparatus.
https://www.astrobin.com/yqzal0/C/ -- Dean Jacobsen http://astrophoto.net/wp/ Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/ Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/
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Re: Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager
... and finally, the Mach2 + scope has a new look. No guiding apparatus.
https://www.astrobin.com/yqzal0/C/ -- Dean Jacobsen http://astrophoto.net/wp/ Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/ Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/
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Re: Focus repeatability issue
Dale Ghent
Are you sure it was truly clear sky where you had your telescope pointed? Faint high-level clouds can affect the measured HFD/HFR of the star(s) that MaximDL is using. Clouds move, and that could explain the quickly varying values you are getting.
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Also consider the resolution of your setup - a single step in your case might be quite small so the CFZ in your case might /seem/ wide because the high resolution of your setup puts a lot of steps in that zone and landing anywhere in that zone will be ok. It is tough to find exacting repeatability when creating focus offsets in any system simply due to mechanical and atmospheric effects. The CFZ is always going to be more than 1 single step, so my recommendation is do do a run and then use those derived offsets and look for the repeatability of the HFD/HFR values those produce. If they seem consistent and your stars look good, then you have good offsets to work with. /dale
On Jun 23, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jim Fakatselis <pashasdad@...> wrote:
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Re: Focus repeatability issue
Stuart <stuart.j.heggie@...>
Jim, I am wondering if what you're seeing is that the scope is still cooling and the optics and tube are still changing shape. Just because the outside temps are stable does NOT mean that the scope is thermally stable too. If I were to do this experiment, I would opt to do it in the pre-dawn hours on a night that has a very stable temperature. Otherwise what you may be seeing is the ambient is stable the scope is catching up. Stuart Heggie
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 10:40, Jim Fakatselis <pashasdad@...> wrote:
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Stuart http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/
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Re: Focus repeatability issue
Roland Christen
I don't believe seeing has any effect on focus position. Temperature has the most effect. The aluminum tube shrinks with falling temps and optical lenses also change focal position with dropping temps. During that time the focus position can vary considerably, so you may have to refocus after every frame until the air temperature stabilizes or drops at a slower rate.
Rolando
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From: Jim Fakatselis <pashasdad@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 10:00 am Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Focus repeatability issue I would generally expect seeing effects to be more random in nature not as monotonous but I may be incorrect. Not much experience.
On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Jim Fakatselis via groups.io <pashasdad@...> wrote:
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Re: Focus repeatability issue
Jim Fakatselis
I would generally expect seeing effects to be more random in nature not as monotonous but I may be incorrect. Not much experience.
On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Jim Fakatselis via groups.io <pashasdad@...> wrote:
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Re: Focus repeatability issue
Jim Fakatselis
Interesting... I live on Long Island in NY. Jim
On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Michael Hambrick via groups.io <mike.hambrick@...> wrote:
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Re: Focus repeatability issue
Michael Hambrick <mike.hambrick@...>
It could be due to variation in the seeing.
I have been wanting to ask the experts on the forum what they are actually
looking at when they talk about seeing in terms of arc seconds, and how
they measure it.
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Where are you imaging from ? I have also been watching on the weather reports where they have been saying that there is a very prominent Saharan dust cloud moving west and is already affecting the southern parts of the US (Florida & Gulf Coast states). I expect that this dust will degrade the quality of the seeing. I guess the good news is that it reduces the chances of tropical cyclone formation. Best Regards Michael Hambrick ARLANXEO TSR Global Manufacturing Support PO Box 2000 Orange, TX 77631-2000 Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799 email: mike.hambrick@... From: "Jim Fakatselis" <jfakatse@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Date: 2020-06-23 09:06 AM Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Focus repeatability issue Sent by: main@ap-gto.groups.io Here’s the tabular data.
On Jun 23, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jim Fakatselis <pashasdad@...>
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I am imaging with a QSI683WS8 and a Starlight Instruments focuser with the Starlight stepper motor on an AP130mm EDF refractor Using MaximDL. I was attempting to measure the filter offsets
with my AstroDon series E gen 2 filter set. Taking four sets of measurements
repeatedly with 5 of the 7 filters I use most, L, R,G,B,Ha. If I
try to immediately refocus, my focus setting continues to drift monotonically.
Very erratically. Can’t get repeatability at all. The other filters behaved similarly. I can provide
Excel plot of data with linear ramp.
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Re: Focus repeatability issue
Jim Fakatselis <jfakatse@...>
Here’s the tabular data.
On Jun 23, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jim Fakatselis <pashasdad@...> wrote:
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Focus repeatability issue
Jim Fakatselis
I am imaging with a QSI683WS8 and a Starlight Instruments focuser with the Starlight stepper motor on an AP130mm EDF refractor Using MaximDL. I was attempting to measure the filter offsets with my AstroDon series E gen 2 filter set. Taking four sets of measurements repeatedly with 5 of the 7 filters I use most, L, R,G,B,Ha. If I try to immediately refocus, my focus setting continues to drift monotonically. Very erratically. Can’t get repeatability at all. The other filters behaved similarly. I can provide Excel plot of data with linear ramp.
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Re: Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager
... and the final result -
- 120 x 2 minute unguided - 100% of the subs were used https://www.astrobin.com/full/epobup/B/ - link to higher res version in upper right corner technical details page - https://www.astrobin.com/epobup/B/ -- Dean Jacobsen http://astrophoto.net/wp/ Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/ Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/
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Re: Mach1 problem please assist
Divide and conquer. Always my favorite troubleshooting approach! If you have a CP4 or a CP3 with a later firmware chip, you should be able to download the PEM data from the CP3/4 using PEMpro and then simply look at it's graph for any spurious data points.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 5:01 AM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Mach2 power consumption
#Mach2GTO
My solution has been to power everything with 12v. The mount works fine and slews at up to 1200x with 12v - actually 13.6v. The mount is just plugged into my RigRunner along with everything else. That way I don't have to think about which thing gets 24v and which things get 12v.
-- Dean Jacobsen http://astrophoto.net/wp/ Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/ Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/
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Re: Mach2 power consumption
#Mach2GTO
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 07:37 PM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:
Thanks Roland, I understand the applicability of 24V DC vs. 12V DC, thanks. I didn't realize the CP5 connector on the box is called a Hirose connector. It's probably mentioned somewhere in your documentation and it just didn't stick with me. I was thinking of the connection at the end of the power cord. It is convenient to use the power-poles. This is the first time I've used them and now updating the clubs telescope equipment after doing my other 12v astronomy gear.. As long as everything is the same voltage, it makes things very convenient and no-fault. To avoid confusion, maybe put some kind of flag-tag at the end that says 24V - Mount only. You almost want CP5 box power cord for 12V (normal power-poles) and then a separate connector type for 24V that fits the 24V supply only. Or a dual headed connector on the CP5 cord (which I never like). When I'm setting up both supples are usually right next to each other on my table, and even though the cords are different, something in my brain forces me to feel my way back to the supply to figure out which is which. I think I'll label mine..
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Re: Mach1 problem please assist
My Sincerest THANK YOU to Roland and others who helped. (guy that said he had same thing from his PEC) above = ) I had a hole in the clouds for a few minutes and opened up. I recorded a new PEC run and it then turned on. I gig some (horrible conditions guiding) and the RA Kick is gone! Now my question is. I used APCC to record the PEC.. I own pempro - what benefit will I see from it. (I've never figured out how to properly use/implement it). Any "step by step" or video instruction? Last night despite clouds passing over during the test. 14 min (>2 worm cycles). Check that star mass ;-)
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:01 AM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Ron Kramer
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Re: Mach1 problem please assist
Roland Christen
If you are trying to chase down a problem and think it might be the mount, the best way to approach it is to disconnect every program from the mount and run it without any external inputs. That means no guider connections of any kind. Bring up your guider program and just watch the guidestar motion and take a screen shot.
Rolando
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From: DiscoDuck <montagoo@...> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Sent: Sun, Jun 21, 2020 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach1 problem please assist Hi Rolando,
I have been getting similar spikes and was about to re-grease. But this sounds intriguing. Can I ask which log Andrew spotted this move in? I'd like to double check in my case and see if it could be the same issue before chasing mechanical things. Best regards, Paul
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Re: Mach1 problem please assist
Joe Zeglinski
Hi,
Probably highly unlikely, but given everything else you
have checked for the cause of the RA lurch, have you checked your
counterweight’s lock knobs? If not very tight, perhaps one is very slightly
wobbly, shifts or hits the second one, at extreme RA angle changes.
Joe
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Re: Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager
I forgot to mention the fact that I am not guiding.
-- Dean Jacobsen http://astrophoto.net/wp/ Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/ Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/
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Re: Point Mapping Strategies for the Mobile Imager
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 09:57 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:
It is working very nicely. I actually set up a 3 line point map run with declination spacing of 5 degrees and RA spacing of 11 degrees. Almost done with the data collection now. Have taken 100 of 126 images and I haven't seem any subs yet where the stars aren't round. I am imaging at 318 mm [f/3 with the FSQ-106] so perhaps this isn't a super difficult test of the capabilities of the mount and the software. However, I am impressed. -- Dean Jacobsen http://astrophoto.net/wp/ Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/ Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/
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