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Re: Mach2 Wifi problems #Mach2GTO #WiFi

 

Dominique,

When you say you connected the PC to the mount with USB3, are you saying you connected the PC to the through-mount cable? The CP5 can only use a USB2 cable, since USB3 will not fit in the receptacle.

I am interested in trying to replicate as close to how you experience it as I can. If you are willing to spend some time with me working on the issue, I would really appreciate it. I want to find a solution to the issue.
--
Liam Plybon
Astro-Physics


Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Howard Hedlund
 
Edited

There is a problem with the latest ASCOM Platform - v. 6.5 that prevents correct plate solutions in APPM.  We hope for a resolution to this problem soon.  In the meantime, please use v.6.4 SP1.https://github.com/ASCOMInitiative/ASCOMPlatform/releases/tag/Build_2695


locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri
 

That’s great. I’ll be trying it out again this evening. Hoping for a similar result. 


On Sep 14, 2020, at 4:25 AM, oros.philippe@... wrote:

Hey Mikey
Ray's suggestion worked for me, my problems disappear with Ascom 6.4SP1 !!
Philippe


locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

philippe oros
 

Hey Mikey
Ray's suggestion worked for me, my problems disappear with Ascom 6.4SP1 !!
Philippe


Re: Problem with APCC/APPM with AP1100AE #APCC

philippe oros
 

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 04:45 PM, Ray Gralak wrote:
https://github.com/ASCOMInitiative/ASCOMPlatform/releases/tag/Build_2695
Ray thanks a lot for your diagnostic, I've installed Ascom 6.4SP1 and everything seems back to order !!
This should be indicated somewhere, because many others may risk to loose valuable time like me ...
Thanks again
BR
Philippe


Re: Problem with APCC/APPM with AP1100AE #APCC

CurtisC
 

Reading all this reminded me that, until recently, I had "Horizon Tracking Limits" and a sky model established.  They've disappeared.  Where might they have been stored?  My ASCOM Platform is 6.3.


Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

CurtisC
 

That's one reason I use a refractor.


Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Joe,

Fans can help but completely. I've tried many different mounting points on my 18" Newtonian.

Open tube assemblies are vulnerable from many outside sources. For instance, you can't stop heat from the ground, the secondary mirror assembly, and other sources. Since you have to be near the scope to adjust knobs, even your own body heat, or heat from the camera can waft into the light path and linger under the right conditions.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:34 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Hi Ray,

Tube Currents in a Truss.
Which 18” truss OTA do you use, and do the fans blow at the back of the primary to cool off the day heated
glass, or blow out from the back, drawing ambient air stream in TOWARD the primary?

I have an RCOS 14.5 truss OTA, and the fans on the back plate draw air from the front onto the face of the
primary. I think the heat plumes image distortions (if any), are much less, since the ambient is already cooling off
(being cooler than the glass), and the fans are not blowing latent mirror heat upward into the path of the light
cone. RCOS pointed the fans to blow mirror heat backwards, instead of upward, in front of the primary.

I think that is a better way. Simple solution next time you remove the primary, is to reverse your fans. May help
a lot.

Joe

From: Ray Gralak
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:08 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Hi Joe,

Not worried by “tube currents” – it is a 14.5” truss rather than a solid tube.
I have an 18" truss tube with cooling fans, so I can say that you can have tube currents even with a truss tube. I
found that heat can waft off of the primary, secondary, and even the ground through a nylon cover over the truss
tubes. :-)

That said, I will confirm proper operation, and fix if needed, by doing a polar alignment test with the latest build of
PEMPro (v3.00.33) when the skies clear up here in Northern California.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Hi Ray,

Not worried by “tube currents” – it is a 14.5” truss rather than a solid tube.
A little reluctant to experiment with greatly offsetting the polar axis, after spending around 6 hours getting it
close
to (IIRC) around a 40 arc second drift.
Your warning about careful attention to step 2 & 3 – I assume you mean getting the mouse pointer dead
centered
on the star trail ends and the sampled star in the three test images. I used your “magnifying glass curser to
center
on the three samples, then moved the curser grid with the keyboard direction keys, for ultimate precision. to get
the curser dead center on the star or trail. That was a GREAT idea, as so very many of yours are, in recent
versions of PemPro.

The plan is to do an East side run, with the camera oriented as it was, and always is when I set up for a
session. I’ll also pick a spot further away from the prime meridian, since I was already crowding your default 5
degree proximity for the tracking starting position’s initial user slew.

Finally, IIRC you once said that PEC being on or off didn’t matter for the polar alignment process, as
PEMPRO
already compensates for it, during the analysis. I always leave it turned OFF when starting PEMPRO –
especially
now, since this CP4 unit is under its first use since repair two years ago, so there is no valid PEC curve
recorded
in it.

Not to worry – PEMPRO is and always was, a great tool, fun to use, provides a wealth of detail about the
scope
and controller. The program and I just have to come to terms on our sense of adjustment directions :-)

Joe Z.

From: Ray Gralak
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Hi Joe,

If you want to confirm your findings, and that you aren't getting fooled by something else like tube currents, try
purposely offsetting the polar alignment by a large amount in both Alt and Az. Make sure you accurately
perform
steps 2 and 3, otherwise you might see the behavior you saw.

I would try it myself with the latest version but have been socked in by the marine layer and smoke from fires.
That
said, I used PEMPro to tweak polar alignment just a couple weeks ago and the directions were not reversed for
me.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physicscom/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:56 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Yes Ray.

We’re on the same page, and I’ve got my bearings.
It is a standard “Push-Pull” system. Screwing-in the right side knob (on the west side on an AP-1200),
where
the
AZ adjuster is located on the AP-1200 North side of the pier, pushes the mount’s base plate around, away
from
the pier-fixed center post – and turns the entire mount counter-clockwise.

I’ve done it lots of times, and every time I do, I try to envisage what each turn of a knob results in.

Joe.

From: Ray Gralak
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:04 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Hi Joe,

Just to be sure you are adjusting the correct knobs, for a 1200GTO, to rotate the mount clockwise, you
tighten
the
knob facing to the East. To rotate the mount counter-clockwise, you tighten the knob facing to the West. After
each
adjustment, you should tighten all mount knobs so that you are measuring the drift in the state that the mount
will
be in when you will be using it.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physicscom/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 3:10 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro..Suggestions for my AP600e?

Hi Ray,

It was a very long night, so I must have redone PEMPRO about 5 or 6 times. I could have made the
same
mistake in the lead up to the drift graph, every time, but I doubt it I’m not new to PEMPRO use, but it is
infrequent.
Luckily, the instructions are simple.

As Tom mentioned earlier, after a few tries following screen hints, it was obvious that doing so made the
drift
error progressively worse, so I reversed the logic, and turned the AZ “knobs” to rotate the mount towards
the
other
direction. This made it settle down, and using the reverse direction was then consistently better.
By reversal, I mean that the entire run was giving contrary directions, as did the reruns after that. It wasn’t a
logic
reversal DURING a run.

At each correction, I looked down at the mount baseplate, and considered which knob would “push it
towards
or
away from the AZ post” in the direction for the mount to rotate, (horizontally in AZ), per the given instruction.
I
still
“suspect” that this reversal of procedure may have to do with choosing one side of the meridian, while the
camera
is either straight up, or inverted. But, that should have been determined automatically, during the calibration
steps
of clicking on the star trail, and the three star image targets.

PEMPRO worked fine for me a couple of years ago, using an earlier revision, but has also happened the
weird
way, at other times in the past. I have used several versions over more than a decade. I’ll continue to
investigate
its problem, or possibly mine. Perhaps I will discover a unique set of conditions that causes the logic
reversal.

Please stay safe out there Ray. We need you healthy at all times.
Best regards,
Joe Z.



From: Ray Gralak
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 4:14 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro..Suggestions for my AP600e?

Hi Joe,

I have used PEMPro a number of times in the last few months on my 1100AE and 1200 mounts, and
haven't
seen
any direction reversals, but I can double check the next year (lol) that my California skies are clear enough.
Assuming you went through the calibration steps correctly, is it possible you could have adjusted the wrong
Azimuth knob?

Also, being above or below the pole will not affect the Az direction at all.

I also had problems with connecting the camera to the software (CCDSOFT) – kept getting the
“Unavailable
ACTIVEX module” error, unless I run both the camera software (CCDSOFT) and PEMPRO-V3, “as
ADMIN”.
The
website claims this is only necessary to do once, to register CCDSOFT’s Activex module – but that does
NOT
seem to be the case. It has to be started in Admin mode (before) starting PEMPRO, every time.
CCDSoft (and any other ActiveX control) should register itself when it is installed, which it doesn't. If it can't
register
itself even when running as Administrator, then maybe there is reason. You might try changing the
compatibility
mode of CCDSoft to Windows 7.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physicscom/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro..Suggestions for my AP600e?

Hi Tom,

Funny that you should mention the odd “adjustment direction” misbehaviour running PEMPRO.

Like you, I have years of familiarity with PEMPRO, and it is actually fun to use. However, I spent hours
last
night, trying to get it to behave with my AP-1200/CP4. I quickly realized that I should do the opposite, to
the
direction it was asking me to adjust the AZ. Every time it said Clockwise rotation, I rotated the AZ
COUNTER
clockwise, and that worked fine. Otherwise, as in your experience, following its suggestion, the gap just
widened
with every suggested direction adjustment.

I think the initial setup calibration pointing to either your East side or West of the meridian, should
automatically
determine if the camera ‘s vertical direction, Mine was upside down, during the run, pointing to West of
the
PM.
Next time out, I will rerun PEMPRO, but with the scope pointing to the East side of the PM, and see if the
direction
to turn then becomes correct. As I recall, the older versions had “hockey sticks” on the drift graph, for us
to
help
specify the camera orientation. Now it is supposed to be automatic.

Ray, is it possible that without doing the DEC adjustment, the scope axis is pointing below or above
Polaris,
and
this makes it offer the contrary direction suggestions?

I also had problems with connecting the camera to the software (CCDSOFT) – kept getting the
“Unavailable
ACTIVEX module” error, unless I run both the camera software (CCDSOFT) and PEMPRO-V3, “as
ADMIN”.
The
website claims this is only necessary to do once, to register CCDSOFT’s Activex module – but that does
NOT
seem to be the case. It has to be started in Admin mode (before) starting PEMPRO, every time.

It is a great program, but seems to have some “direction prompting” quirks, as we have both witnessed,
and
which I will investigate further to double check my observations.

Joe Z.


From: Tom Blahovici
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 2:08 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?


Hi,
I am using an AP600e with a CP4 controller and am attempting to polar align with PemPro.

I am quite familiar with the software. That is not an issue. However, how to use it properly is obviously not
apparent in my case. I have spend at least 2 hours trying to get the polar alignment even within 1 arc
minute.
I did the first alignment last week, and it seemed I was within 1 minute I checked it yesterday, and it was
a
degree
off. I kept trying to adjust both azimuth and altitude, but the trend lines were never stable seeing to go all
over
the
place.
It would show a line being off by 6 minutes and I would adjust the mount in the right direction only to find it
was
even higher. Not only that, when I did get it close, the trend line would be fine for the first 3 minutes only
to
then
start slanting again.
It should not be this unstable.
A bit about the mount: It is mounted on a 10 inch diameter pier on top of a solid 3' x 3' concrete block that
is
6
feet
long buried in the ground. It has been there for 5 years or so. There is no flexing on the mounting at all.
Rock
solid. Scope is an FSQ106 with Moonlight nightcrawler with screw in adapters. The drive has a very
smooth 3
arc
second peak to peak tracking. With PEM, +-2.8.
I am using APCC standard and the pointing has been calibrated.
Any hints please?
Thanks, Tom
















Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Ray,
 
    Tube Currents in a Truss.
Which 18” truss OTA do you use, and do the fans blow at the back of the primary to cool  off the day heated glass, or blow out from the back, drawing ambient air stream in TOWARD the primary?
 
    I have an RCOS 14.5 truss OTA, and the fans on the back plate draw air from the front onto the face of the primary. I think the heat plumes image distortions (if any), are much less, since the ambient is already cooling off (being cooler than the glass), and the fans are not blowing latent mirror heat upward into the path of the light cone. RCOS pointed the fans to blow mirror heat backwards,  instead of upward,  in front of the primary.
 
    I think that is a better way. Simple solution next time you remove the primary, is to reverse your fans. May help a lot.
 
Joe
 

From: Ray Gralak
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:08 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?
 
Hi Joe,

>     Not worried by “tube currents” – it is a 14.5” truss rather than a solid tube.

I have an 18" truss tube with cooling fans, so I can say that you can have tube currents even with a truss tube. I found that heat can waft off of the primary, secondary, and even the ground through a nylon cover over the truss tubes. :-)

That said, I will confirm proper operation, and fix if needed, by doing a polar alignment test with the latest build of PEMPro (v3.00.33) when the skies clear up here in Northern California.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 9:56 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>     Not worried by “tube currents” – it is a 14.5” truss rather than a solid tube.
> A little reluctant to experiment with greatly offsetting the polar axis, after spending around 6 hours getting it close
> to (IIRC) around a 40 arc second drift.
> Your warning about careful attention to step 2 & 3 – I assume you mean getting the mouse pointer dead centered
> on the star trail ends and the sampled star in the three test images. I used your “magnifying glass curser to center
> on the three samples, then moved the curser grid with the keyboard direction keys, for ultimate precision. to get
> the curser dead center on the star or trail. That was a GREAT idea, as so very many of yours are,  in recent
> versions of PemPro.
>
>     The plan is to do an East side run, with the camera oriented as it was, and always is when I set up for a
> session. I’ll also pick a spot further away  from the prime meridian, since I was already crowding your default 5
> degree proximity for the tracking starting position’s initial user slew.
>
>     Finally, IIRC you once said that PEC being on or off  didn’t matter for the polar alignment process, as PEMPRO
> already compensates for it, during the analysis.  I always leave it turned OFF when starting PEMPRO – especially
> now, since this CP4 unit is under its first use since repair two years ago, so there is no valid PEC curve recorded
> in it.
>
>     Not to worry – PEMPRO is and always was,  a great tool, fun to use, provides a wealth of detail about the scope
> and controller. The program and I just have to come to terms on our sense of adjustment directions :-)
>
> Joe Z.
>
> From: Ray Gralak
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 11:23 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> If you want to confirm your findings, and that you aren't getting fooled by something else like tube currents, try
> purposely offsetting the polar alignment by a large amount in both Alt and Az. Make sure you accurately perform
> steps 2 and 3, otherwise you might see the behavior you saw.
>
> I would try it myself with the latest version but have been socked in by the marine layer and smoke from fires. That
> said, I used PEMPro to tweak polar alignment just a couple weeks ago and the directions were not reversed for
> me.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of PEMPro
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physicscom/apcc-pro
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
> > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:56 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?
> >
> > Yes Ray.
> >
> >     We’re on the same page, and I’ve got my bearings.
> > It is a standard  “Push-Pull” system. Screwing-in the right side knob  (on the west side on an AP-1200),   where
> the
> > AZ adjuster is located on the AP-1200 North side of the pier, pushes  the mount’s base plate around,  away
> from
> > the pier-fixed  center post – and turns the entire mount counter-clockwise.
> >
> >     I’ve done it lots of times, and every time I do, I try to envisage what each turn of a knob results in.
> >
> > Joe.
> >
> > From: Ray Gralak
> > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:04 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > Just to be sure you are adjusting the correct knobs, for a 1200GTO, to rotate the mount clockwise, you tighten
> the
> > knob facing to the East. To rotate the mount counter-clockwise, you tighten the knob facing to the West. After
> each
> > adjustment, you should tighten all mount knobs so that you are measuring the drift in the state that the mount
> will
> > be in when you will be using it.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of PEMPro
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physicscom/apcc-pro
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 3:10 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro..Suggestions for my AP600e?
> > >
> > > Hi Ray,
> > >
> > >     It was a very long night, so I must have redone PEMPRO about 5 or 6 times.  I could have made the same
> > > mistake in the lead up to the drift graph,  every time, but I doubt it I’m not new to PEMPRO use, but it is
> > infrequent.
> > > Luckily, the instructions are simple.
> > >
> > >     As Tom mentioned earlier, after a few tries following screen hints, it was obvious that doing so made the
> drift
> > > error progressively worse, so I reversed the logic, and turned the AZ “knobs” to rotate the mount towards the
> > other
> > > direction. This made it settle down, and using the reverse direction was then consistently better.
> > > By reversal, I mean that the entire run was giving contrary directions, as did the reruns after that. It wasn’t a
> logic
> > > reversal DURING a run.
> > >
> > >     At each correction, I looked down at the mount baseplate, and considered which knob would “push it
> towards
> > or
> > > away from the AZ post” in the direction for the mount to rotate, (horizontally in AZ), per the given instruction. I
> still
> > > “suspect” that this reversal of procedure may have to do with choosing one side of the meridian, while the
> > camera
> > > is either straight up, or inverted. But, that should have been determined automatically,  during the calibration
> > steps
> > > of clicking on the star trail, and the three star image targets.
> > >
> > >     PEMPRO worked fine for me a couple of years ago, using an earlier revision, but has also happened the
> weird
> > > way, at other times in the past. I have used several versions over more than a decade. I’ll continue to
> investigate
> > > its problem, or possibly mine. Perhaps I will discover a unique set of conditions that causes the logic  reversal.
> > >
> > >     Please stay safe out there Ray. We need you healthy at all times.
> > > Best regards,
> > > Joe Z.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Ray Gralak
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 4:14 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro..Suggestions for my AP600e?
> > >
> > > Hi Joe,
> > >
> > > I have used PEMPro a number of times in the last few months on my 1100AE and 1200 mounts, and haven't
> > seen
> > > any direction reversals, but I can double check the next year (lol) that my California skies are clear enough.
> > > Assuming you went through the calibration steps correctly, is it possible you could have adjusted the wrong
> > > Azimuth knob?
> > >
> > > Also, being above or below the pole will not affect the Az direction at all.
> > >
> > > >     I also had problems with connecting the camera to the software (CCDSOFT) – kept getting the
> “Unavailable
> > > > ACTIVEX module” error, unless I run both the camera software (CCDSOFT) and PEMPRO-V3, “as ADMIN”.
> > The
> > > > website claims this is only necessary to do once, to register CCDSOFT’s Activex module – but that does
> NOT
> > > > seem to be the case. It has to be started  in Admin mode (before) starting PEMPRO,   every time.
> > >
> > > CCDSoft (and any other ActiveX control) should register itself when it is installed, which it doesn't. If it can't
> > register
> > > itself even when running as Administrator, then maybe there is reason. You might try changing the
> compatibility
> > > mode of CCDSoft to Windows 7.
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of PEMPro
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physicscom/apcc-pro
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 12:19 PM
> > > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro..Suggestions for my AP600e?
> > > >
> > > > Hi Tom,
> > > >
> > > >     Funny that you should mention the odd “adjustment direction” misbehaviour running PEMPRO.
> > > >
> > > >     Like you, I have years of familiarity with PEMPRO, and it is actually fun to use. However, I spent hours
> last
> > > > night,  trying to get it to behave with my AP-1200/CP4. I quickly realized that I should do the opposite,  to the
> > > > direction it was asking me to adjust the AZ. Every time it said Clockwise rotation, I rotated the AZ COUNTER
> > > > clockwise, and that worked fine. Otherwise, as in your experience, following its suggestion, the gap just
> > widened
> > > > with every suggested direction adjustment.
> > > >
> > > >     I think the initial setup calibration  pointing to either your East side or West of the meridian, should
> > > automatically
> > > > determine if the camera ‘s vertical direction, Mine was upside down, during the run, pointing to   West of the
> > PM.
> > > > Next time out, I will rerun PEMPRO, but with the scope pointing to the East side of the PM, and see if the
> > > direction
> > > > to turn then becomes correct. As I recall, the older versions had “hockey sticks” on the drift graph, for us to
> help
> > > > specify the camera orientation. Now it is supposed to be automatic.
> > > >
> > > >     Ray, is it possible that without doing the DEC adjustment, the scope axis is pointing below or above
> Polaris,
> > > and
> > > > this makes it offer the contrary direction suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >     I also had problems with connecting the camera to the software (CCDSOFT) – kept getting the
> “Unavailable
> > > > ACTIVEX module” error, unless I run both the camera software (CCDSOFT) and PEMPRO-V3, “as ADMIN”.
> > The
> > > > website claims this is only necessary to do once, to register CCDSOFT’s Activex module – but that does
> NOT
> > > > seem to be the case. It has to be started  in Admin mode (before) starting PEMPRO,   every time.
> > > >
> > > >     It is a great program, but seems to have some “direction prompting” quirks, as we have both witnessed,
> and
> > > > which I will investigate further to double check my observations.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Z.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Tom Blahovici
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 2:08 PM
> > > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I am using an AP600e with a CP4 controller and am attempting to polar align with PemPro.
> > > >
> > > > I am quite familiar with the software. That is not an issue. However, how to use it properly is obviously not
> > > > apparent in my case.  I have spend at least 2 hours trying to get the polar alignment even within 1 arc
> minute.
> > > > I did the first alignment last week, and it seemed I was within 1 minute  I checked it yesterday, and it was a
> > > degree
> > > > off. I kept trying to adjust both azimuth and altitude, but the trend lines were never stable seeing to go all
> over
> > the
> > > > place.
> > > > It would show a line being off by 6 minutes and I would adjust the mount in the right direction only to find it
> was
> > > > even higher.  Not only that, when I did get it close, the trend line would be fine for the first 3 minutes only to
> > then
> > > > start slanting again.
> > > > It should not be this unstable.
> > > > A bit about the mount: It is mounted on a 10 inch diameter pier on top of a solid 3' x 3' concrete block that is
> 6
> > > feet
> > > > long buried in the ground. It has been there for 5 years or so. There is no flexing on the mounting at all.
> Rock
> > > > solid.  Scope is an FSQ106 with Moonlight nightcrawler with screw in adapters.  The drive has a very
> smooth 3
> > > arc
> > > > second peak to peak tracking.  With PEM, +-2.8.
> > > > I am using APCC standard and the pointing has been calibrated.
> > > > Any hints please?
> > > > Thanks, Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Does PEMPRO really luanch APCC ?

Joe Zeglinski
 

Yes, Ray.
Confirmed. No modelling of any kind.
 
Joe
 

From: Ray Gralak
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Does PEMPRO really luanch APCC ?
 
Joe,

PEMPro does not directly start APCC. However, PEMPro launches the AP V2 driver, which may start APCC if the driver is configured to do so. If you are running APCC Pro, you should make sure to turn off tracking rate modeling.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Zeglinski
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:07 AM
> To: ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: [ap-gto] Does PEMPRO really luanch APCC ?
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>     Just curious about this. While doing my polar alignment runs the other night, I shut down any apps that might
> have been running, including APCC. The idea was to eliminate any other app that might be causing  a reversal in
> the recent direction instructions during drift alignment.
>
>     When I started PEMPRO-V3,  I got the brief  pop up that APCC was being started, and yet the only app that
> was on the screen, or newly placed in the task bar, was the old and familiar AP driver control program. It popped
> onto the screen when I clicked its task bar icon – but no sign of APCC’s control window anywhere. It seemd like a
> momentary run lasting only a few seconds.
>
>     Was that a “redundant program message” from APCC which usually starts  the driver control app? Or, is APCC
> actually running in the background, but hidden from any user view while PEMPRO is working?
>
>     Not a problem, but an oddity.
> Joe Z.
>




locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Michael,

I'm to give you the same suggestion. I am guessing you have ASCOM 6.5 installed. If so, uninstall ASCOM 6.5 and install ASCOM 6.4SP1 at this link:

https://github.com/ASCOMInitiative/ASCOMPlatform/releases/tag/Build_2695

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

I was just about to send a post about similar issues I have been having. I’m new to APPM and haven’t yet
zipped up the logs to send. In my case I get plate solve failures because of excess time as well as strangely
large errors in the table - though not on the order of days (as in Phillippe’s case). Thing is I can plate solve the
image file just fine outside of the APPM process.

Mikey




On Sep 13, 2020, at 4:02 PM, oros.philippe@gmail.com wrote:



Hi
I have been using my AP1100 since more that one year without major difficulties and with using with
satisfaction the APPM models to make long unguided captures, but since one month or so I am fighting with a
series of problems after I changed my imaging camera from ASI 1600 MMpro to ASI2600MC pro, I had first
issues with SGP/Plate solve2 that I cured using ASTAP. but since then I am facing a blocking issue. When I try
to make an APPM model, even is the process goes well I get numbers that seem very wrong and when
tracking and pointing are selected I get totally erroneous tracking and pointing, that even led on night mu scope
bump into the pier.
I've tried many times (and lot several good clear sky nights) to reinitialize everything (I killed the model
files, reinit the mount after powering off etc..) and the problem is allways the same, I join screen copies of my
last run tonight with a very simple model of 13 points (the APCC screens show before and after the model is
created and loaded)
Thanks very much for your help, especially if Ray can have look, I've sent several messages to Howard
and George at AP support but have got no answer;
Regards
Philippe
My setup:
AP1100GTOAE GTOCP4 (last versions of firmware)
SGP last version
ASI2600MC pro
Canon EF L 400mm2.8 +x2@ 800mmFL
Sampling 1,01 arcsec/pix
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locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri
 

I was just about to send a post about similar issues I have been having.  I’m new to APPM and haven’t yet zipped up the logs to send. In my case I get plate solve failures because of excess time as well as strangely large errors in the table - though not on the order of days (as in Phillippe’s case).  Thing is I can plate solve the image file just fine outside of the APPM process. 

Mikey


On Sep 13, 2020, at 4:02 PM, oros.philippe@... wrote:

Hi
I have been using my AP1100 since more that one year without major difficulties and with using with satisfaction the APPM models to make long unguided captures, but since one month or so I am fighting with a series of problems after I changed my imaging camera from ASI 1600 MMpro to ASI2600MC pro, I had first issues with SGP/Plate solve2 that I cured using ASTAP. but since then I am facing a blocking issue. When I try to make an APPM model, even is the process goes well I get numbers that seem very wrong and when tracking and pointing are selected I get totally erroneous tracking and pointing, that even led on night mu scope bump into the pier.
I've tried many times (and lot several good clear sky nights) to reinitialize everything (I killed the model files, reinit the mount after powering off etc..) and the problem is allways the same, I join screen copies of my last run tonight with a very simple model of 13 points (the APCC screens show before and after the model is created and loaded)
Thanks very much for your help, especially if Ray can have look, I've sent several messages to Howard and George at AP support but have got no answer;
Regards
Philippe
My setup:
AP1100GTOAE   GTOCP4 (last versions of firmware)
SGP last version
ASI2600MC pro
Canon EF L 400mm2.8 +x2@ 800mmFL
Sampling 1,01 arcsec/pix
<Capture d’écran 2020-09-13 à 21.11.22.png>
<Capture d’écran 2020-09-13 à 21.11.42.png>
<Capture d’écran 2020-09-13 à 21.11.52.png>
<Capture d’écran 2020-09-13 à 21.12.02.png>
<Capture d’écran 2020-09-13 à 21.15.38.png>
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Re: Problem with APCC/APPM with AP1100AE #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Phillipe,

It sounds like you may have installed ASCOM Platform 6.5, which is not backwards compatible with earlier versions and thus breaks APPM.

The solution is to uninstall Platform 6.5, and then reinstall Platform 6.4SP1. The link to this version is here:

https://github.com/ASCOMInitiative/ASCOMPlatform/releases/tag/Build_2695

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of oros.philippe@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:34 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Problem with APCC/APPM with AP1100AE #APCC

Hi
I've been using my AP1100AE for more than one year now without major problems but since one month now I
cannot succeed in making a valid model via APPM.
The symptoms are very big numbers in the APPM table and when tracking or pointing is selected in APCC Pro
I have huge errors, so I cannot do anything and especially not long unguided pauses (one of the main reasons
I'd purchased this mount).
I've tried may times (and lost at the same time very good nights of clear sky) to reinitialise everything but the
problem is always present, I join here the screen copies of my last attempt tonight after a complete reinit, I've
try to make A very simple 13 points model, the process goes well but the numbers seems very wrong ! (the
APCC screen copies show the views before and after the model is entered)
Thanks very much for your help, especially if Ray can have a look into it, I've contacted George and Howard at
AP support but have no answer.

My set up:
AP1100 GTO AE GTO P4
SGP Platesolve ASTAP (doesn't work better w/Platesolve2 and slower)
ASI2600MMpro Canon EF L 400mm2.8 @ 800mm FL


Re: PEMPro results

Eric Dreher
 
Edited

I did do all calibrations steps.  It ended up doing every it was supposed to do.  Considering this was my first attempt, I'll have no reservations doing this every few months.  Excellent results.  I went on to PHD2 and found that my RA RMS was now slightly less than DEC RMS; 0.32" to 0.38", with a total of 0.42".  That has never happened until now.


Re: PEMPro results

 

>>> Be sure you do the last step of PEMPro calibration, the step that produces the L-pattern.  In the distant past I had to invert the curves, but that was because I skipped the last calibration step.

just to clarify, that's the last step of the Calibration Wizard

All the steps in the calibration wizard are important to complete, especially the "L" orientation, which as mentioned previously will set the correct camera orientation

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:38 PM CurtisC via groups.io <calypte=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 08:57 AM, Eric Dreher wrote:
I did have some difficulty with PEMPro not wanting to invert the curve which was necessary. 
Be sure you do the last step of PEMPro calibration, the step that produces the L-pattern.  In the distant past I had to invert the curves, but that was because I skipped the last calibration step.



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Help finding source of PE fundamentals using PemPro

CurtisC
 

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 03:51 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote:
I still get +- 2.8 arc second.
I am envious.


Re: PEMPro results

CurtisC
 

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 08:57 AM, Eric Dreher wrote:
I did have some difficulty with PEMPro not wanting to invert the curve which was necessary. 
Be sure you do the last step of PEMPro calibration, the step that produces the L-pattern.  In the distant past I had to invert the curves, but that was because I skipped the last calibration step.


Re: PEMPro results

CurtisC
 

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 08:57 AM, Eric Dreher wrote:
Initially I was a bit let-down after seeing the +/- 4.7 arc/sec of period error, but this is a three year-old mount. 
I am in awe.  My Mach1GTO dates from 2010.  Typical p-to-p error is 17 to 19.


Re: Q. for Ray Gralak about PEMPro

CurtisC
 

But I do know the difference.  It was my error for not reading your post correctly. 

For the record, I have no reason to think that the worm gear has suffered any damage in the 10+ years I've owned the mount.  No, the worm was never scraped across the gear.  It never happened.


Re: More unguided images with the Mach2 and APCC Pro #APCC #Mach2GTO

philippe oros
 

very nice images ! you should try to replace PlateSolve2 by ASTAP in SGP, its much much faster !

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