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Re: It's the goto software...

visonneau-vin <visonneau-vin@...>
 

Hi
I read with lot of interest the subject about Tpoint,i have an AP900 gto
mount with a C14 ota i buy recently but i also have some very very boring
orthogonality error,Tpoint seems to be THE good solution for me but i'm
short of money,i spend all my reserve money in the couple ota+ap mount (you
know in france that the price of a C14 ota is about 60000F approximately
$8000,twice the usa price cause of tha value added tax and the unique
official dealer!!!) so i search someone who accept to exchange a copy of
Tpoint against one off my astronomy software (guide 7.0,prism
v4,astroart2.0,usno a2.0 (complete version,11 cdrom) or maxim dl).
I know it isn't legal but this is actually the only solution for
me,otherwise,i will economize some months to buy the real version off
tpoint.
Is this soft need absolutely the planetarium the sky v4 or no (i have it...)
,is tpoint correcting
any error like polar alignment error?
Regards
Vincent from France (sorry for my english,i use a dictionary but there is
still some grammatical error)

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Envoy : dimanche 13 mai 2001 19:20
Objet : Re: [ap-gto] Re: It's the goto software...


Hello,

I have a 600GTO mount with a 130 F6 scope. I also have the Sky software.
If
I purchase the T-point software, would you share with me your programming
interface? I also travel to dark sky sites and don't have time to fix the
mechanical alignment issues if I can use a computerized solution. I have a
laptop and the battery suppply etc. to run the software remotely

Thanks...Terry Johnson


----- Original Message -----
From: <markh@speakeasy.org>
To: <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:12 AM
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: It's the goto software...


Sure Peter,

Visit www.bisque.com. They make TheSky, TPoint, CCDSoft, and others.

Their version of TPoint runs connected as an embedded object in
TheSky. Basically once enabled and a short star mapping run is done
you send all slew commands through TheSky rather than through the
Keypad.

For me the benefit is extremely accurate pointing! Here is an
example:

With my AP600 GTO mount after a N polar alignment routine of about 20
passes my mount will put most objects in the view of a 26mm
eyepiece. This falls apart if I try to point to objects directly
sounth (like M16). The weight of the scope and the different
orientatation causes the mount to miss M16 and others in that area
pretty badly.

To make matters worse, I love to play with CCD. So when I strap my
ST-7E on my Tak FS-128 I now have a field of view that is about 10x
smaller than my 26mm eyepiece. Now the mount starts to miss
objects. IE it points to where the object should be but it is not in
the FOV of the ST-7E.

So here is how I handle the problem. First off, I'm a "portable
astronomer". By that I mean that I lug my gear with me to dark sites
rather than have a permanent setup. Someday maybe...

Anyway, I setup and perform the AP N polar alignment doing usually 20
passes between star 1 and polaris.

Next I enable TheSky, TPoint, and I strap my ST-7E on the scope. I
then perform a short mapping run. Usually 10 stars. I do this by
telling TheSky to slew to a bright star. Next I snap an image with
the CCD camera. I then past that image into TheSky and tell it
to "Link". What this does is TheSky searches the star patten in my
image and does a star match against it's known stars. It then
returns the exact RA/Dec that my scope is pointing at. With one
button press that RA/Dec is entered into the Tpoint object.

I let this process go for about 10 stars. Usually they are spread
all over the sky. After 6 stars I start to see objects appearing in
the dead center of my CCD camera FOV. By 10 stars it is pretty much
bullet proof (for my purposes).

Now I can sit at my Laptop and tell the scope to goto any object I
desire and just start imaging. No need to tweak find center position
cause it is almost ALWAYS right there.

So as I said in my first post this method only works with a computer
attached as Tpoint is computer software. The CCD is not required and
you can map by eye using a guide eyepiece. The CCD camera just makes
things easier.

In order to use the PC version of TPoint you must purchase TheSky and
Tpoint. TPoint is sold separately but you would have to write your
own programming interface to it. Here is the direct link to the
Tpoint software company: http://www.tpsoft.demon.co.uk/ There is
LOTS of great info on this site.

Now basically the AP goto system is very good. If your scope is
orthogonal to your mount and has VERY LITTLE flexure, and your polar
alignment is perfect your mount will point extremely well.

In my cause I just don't have time (one evening a month) to insure
that all those things are perfect. So I use TPoint to fix it for me!

Mark





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Re: Password for Digital Sky

Steve Reilly <sreilly@...>
 

You're so right.

Thanks!

Steve

Paul Gustafson wrote:

I also just registered the DIgital SkyVoice software and am curious as
how one obtains their user name and password? Any help would be
terrific.
It was inside the cover of my manual.

Gus

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Re: Password for Digital Sky

Paul Gustafson <laservet@...>
 

I also just registered the DIgital SkyVoice software and am curious as
how one obtains their user name and password? Any help would be
terrific.
It was inside the cover of my manual.

Gus


Password for Digital Sky

Steve Reilly <sreilly@...>
 

Hello Gang,

I just received my AP900GTO and I've got to tell you it's more beautiful
than I remember. A real piece of work and credit goes to Roland and Marj
as well as the gang at Astro Physics. Thanks for the truly fine
products. And yes, it is cloudy and raining. When are the AP Cloud
Busters due to ship? :)

I also just registered the DIgital SkyVoice software and am curious as
how one obtains their user name and password? Any help would be
terrific.

And yes, my C-11 looks better now then ever before. Thanks again.


Clear Skies (Hopefully),
Steve


Re: Polar scopes for 600s?

 

Assuming they ship this week and everything goes smoothly, we should
have them all shipped in early June.

Marj

--- In ap-gto@y..., markh@s... wrote:
Marj,

What is the possiblity of delivery to me by June 19th!?

Mark

--- In ap-gto@y..., marj@a... wrote:
Our vendor has informed us that the polar scopes will ship this
week.
It will take a little while to clear customs, be delivered and be
checked out. Shouldn't be much longer.

Marj

--- In ap-gto@y..., markh@s... wrote:
AP,

I've had my polar scope on order forever for my AP600. Any
news!?

I'm going to New Mexico for a stargazing vaction in June. I
really
really really really really really would like to have this
thing
by
then!

Mark


Re: 1200 pointing problem

markdambrosio@...
 

Hi Colt, I think It's a very good thing that the Database is in the Hand Controller, instead of elsewhere on the mount. I'm sure the Gang at AP will have this sorted out for you quickly.

Please keep us posted on how things go.
Mark


Re: 1200 pointing problem

Colt Bednorz <colt@...>
 

Jeff and everyone else who responded to this,
Thank you for your suggestions. I thought that it
might have been a simple mistake on my part.

Colt Bednorz

"Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky" wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky" <jgortatows@aol.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Colt Bednorz" <colt@airmail.net>
R.A. 01 -119:16
Dec 68 20 15
Hi Colt,

This sounds suspiciously like the problem I had. My problem is The only
fix
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am not sure where the "My problem is" came from (too fast editing), but
let me be crystal clear, I had _no_ problem sending the controller back to
AP. Indeed the service was excellent!

Clear skies,
Jeff

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Re: 1200 pointing problem

Colt Bednorz <colt@...>
 

O.K. Thanks Roland. It went out UPS Red
30 minutes ago. You will have it tomorrow.
Colt

chris1011@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 5/16/2001 11:25:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
colt@airmail.net writes:

I will do that. All that I need to send
is the key pad hand controller that plugs into
the mount?
yes.

Roland Christen



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Re: 1200 pointing problem

Colt Bednorz <colt@...>
 

Roland,
I will do that. All that I need to send
is the key pad hand controller that plugs into
the mount?
and
To your attention or someone else?
Colt

chris1011@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 5/16/2001 9:24:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
colt@airmail.net writes:

I think it said the following:
R.A. 01 -119:16
Dec 68 20 15
The above is not a valid RA number. Something is corrupted in your database,
and the keypad will need to have all the data re-installed. If you send it
in, we can turn it around the same day.

Roland Christen



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Re: 1200 pointing problem

Jeffrey Gortatowsky
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky" <jgortatows@aol.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Colt Bednorz" <colt@airmail.net>
R.A. 01 -119:16
Dec 68 20 15
Hi Colt,

This sounds suspiciously like the problem I had. My problem is The only
fix
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am not sure where the "My problem is" came from (too fast editing), but
let me be crystal clear, I had _no_ problem sending the controller back to
AP. Indeed the service was excellent!

Clear skies,
Jeff


Back orders..

bluemax@...
 

Where is the weather machine (mod #WM-9000) I ordered! Dear god I
need it.


Re: 1200 pointing problem

Jeffrey Gortatowsky
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Colt Bednorz" <colt@airmail.net>
R.A. 01 -119:16
Dec 68 20 15
Hi Colt,

This sounds suspiciously like the problem I had. My problem is The only fix
was to send in the keypad to be reprogrammed. Take a look at message #1601
in the archive.

I don't know how they get scrambled like that. I hope it's not static as I
live in the desert southwest where static is a way of life! :)


1200 pointing problem

Colt Bednorz <colt@...>
 

Roland,
I had several problems with my set up numbers that I fixed
(I think), but still the pointing isn't correct, and the problem is
the same as before.
Here are my key pad numbers
Lat W 096 48 00
long N 32 47 00
time - 06
Day light savings time - 1
controller time 21 25 12 ( for 9:25P.M. last night)
Date 5-15-2001
Site #1 Irving, Texas
Again the 2 star calibration was o.k.
After doing this I went back to the 1st. star Arcturus
and tried the tour for Bootes. I went to eta Boots
in the star selection and the mount slewed to the N.W.
I think it said the following:
R.A. 01 -119:16
Dec 68 20 15
None of the tour objects would work either. I got the
below Horizon error message like before, or I got object pointing
over in the North way away from the constalation area.
Prior to this I didn't have the time zone number entered
and the time setting was off by an hour as was the D.Sav. time
selection not selected. I fixed this I think and re booted the system
along with a new 2 star calibration procedure. Polar alignment
was dead on before I started any calibration.
I hope that you can see some obvious error in my set up parameters.
Thanks for your help
Colt Bednorz


Re: 1200 pointing problem

Roland Christen
 

In a message dated 5/16/2001 11:25:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
colt@airmail.net writes:


I will do that. All that I need to send
is the key pad hand controller that plugs into
the mount?
yes.

Roland Christen


Re: 1200 pointing problem

Louis Mamakos
 

A built in GPS receiver would be nice..... Something else for Roland's ToDo
list...
I really don't need to own any more GPS receivers. It would be Just Fine
if the mount or keypad could simply parse NMEA sentences which are
emitted from pretty much all of the existing GPS receivers on the market.
These contain the time, location, heading :-) etc and sould save the extra
space and cost required for a dedicated GPS receiver. You'd simply
set up the mount, plug your cheap handheld GPS receiver into the mount
for a few seconds and you'd be done.

louie


Re: Back orders..

Roland Christen
 

In a message dated 5/16/2001 9:53:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bluemax@australia.edu writes:


Where is the weather machine (mod #WM-9000) I ordered! Dear god I
need it.

Why, not enough rain there?

Roland Christen


Re: 1200 pointing problem

Roland Christen
 

In a message dated 5/16/2001 9:24:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
colt@airmail.net writes:


I think it said the following:
R.A. 01 -119:16
Dec 68 20 15
The above is not a valid RA number. Something is corrupted in your database,
and the keypad will need to have all the data re-installed. If you send it
in, we can turn it around the same day.

Roland Christen


Re: pointing accuracy

Jeffrey Gortatowsky
 

Leave it to Marj to know what's what! :) What would he do without you! :)
What would _we_ do! Just joking Roland!

----- Original Message -----
From: <marj@astro-physics.com>
Actually, the stars database does not include the planets in version
2.6 or earlier. It will in version 3. There will also be an easy one
star sync routine which will fill the bill. Coming soon.

Marj


Re: Polar scopes for 600s?

markh@...
 

Marj,

What is the possiblity of delivery to me by June 19th!?

Mark

--- In ap-gto@y..., marj@a... wrote:
Our vendor has informed us that the polar scopes will ship this
week.
It will take a little while to clear customs, be delivered and be
checked out. Shouldn't be much longer.

Marj

--- In ap-gto@y..., markh@s... wrote:
AP,

I've had my polar scope on order forever for my AP600. Any news!?

I'm going to New Mexico for a stargazing vaction in June. I
really
really really really really really would like to have this thing
by
then!

Mark


Re: pointing accuracy

 

Actually, the stars database does not include the planets in version
2.6 or earlier. It will in version 3. There will also be an easy one
star sync routine which will fill the bill. Coming soon.

Marj


--- In ap-gto@y..., chris1011@a... wrote:
In a message dated 5/15/2001 3:24:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
toddwx@a...
writes:


DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO a one-star align as
above, but
using
a planet?
Yes, all the planets are in the "Stars" data base. Just scroll
backwards from
Polaris, you will get the Sun etc.

Roland Christen