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600E PE "Normal"???

Bob Benamati
 

Hi folks,

I'm wondering if the result I'm seeing is "normal" with my recently
acquired 600E (while I wait for a 900 or Mach1 <g>). I've uploaded
an Excel file to the Files section for those who might be able to
help.

PEMPro gave a +/- 25" error--which stunned me... It does seem that
the worm is running slow(?) for the majority of the run. Any ideas
as to what I'm seeing here?

The mount's carrying an 8" M806, Pyxis rotator, and ST8. Probably
right around 27 pounds--so probably overloading a bit, but I believe
it's pretty well balanced. Other than the PE concern, though, the
mount ran great last night and guided fairly well after programming
(was able to get it down to +/- 8", but need to run a few more curves
to refine--maybe I can get better).

Any thoughts/advice would be greatly appreciated!


Thanks,
Bob
New file uploaded to ap-gto

ap-gto@...
 

Hello,

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Re: is this a sane workflow?

Morgan Spangle <msfainc@...>
 

Are you using a planetarium program to control your mount? For
instance, in theSky6 pro, if connected to the mount and controlling it
with theSky, you can simply slew to your focusing star, do your focus
routine, then slew to your target and frame etc. Once done there, you
can synch your position; once done with imitial imaging, you can go to
the button "slew prior" and it will take you back to your focus star.
Do your second focus, then hit the slew button to take you back to
your target. You can do this all night if you need to...very simple,
very few steps.
Morgan

--- In ap-gto@..., "Mike" <mike@...> wrote:

Hello

I have an AP1200.

My requirement: I need to jump back and forth between my selected
composition/framing of an object, and a bright star suitable for
repeatedly focusing with different filters.

I am doing this by

1) slewing to a bright "focus star" near the intended target, doing a
calibrate on it,

2) focus the camera

3) Then I do the short slew to the main target, and carefully frame
the image. Once the picture is composed, I go to object menu and press
">" which seems to cache the RA/DEC of the current position for later
retrieval.

4) When I'm ready to change filters I slew to the bright star again by
name, and do the filters & focus work.

5) When ready to take photos again, I go to the objects menu and press
"#7 - R/D" which has the coords of my careful framing remembered.

Repeat 4-5 for each filter or photograph series.

I know the easy way to do this is a robofocus and a filter wheel, but
pretend I don't have $1200 for that stuff right now... Am I doing this
repeated change between two sky positions in a silly manner?

Is there any handy software where I can tell it to remember a number
of sky coordinates and just simply click on them A.. B.. A... B... to
go between them?

Thanks!
Mike Clemens
Re: help please - various items

observe_m13
 

Go here:

http://www.astro-physics.com/tech_support/tech_support.htm

download the latest manual. Read it fully, cover to cover except for
the tables at the back. Read any parts you don't understand again.

Rick.

--- In ap-gto@..., Gerald Sargent <sargentg@...> wrote:

I am a new user of AstroPhysics coming from the Vixen SS2KPC stable.
The first time I switched on the unit (not having studied the manual
at all
well) is seemed to go OK as it did the second time. Each time I had
just
switched off, then before restarting loosened the clutches and put
telescope to the pole (I am in the S. Hemisphere). The third time I
could
not get it to do anything and had to resort to phoning a colleague in UK
who has an AP. He told me how to unpark it, (I had not parked it)
which I
did and it then went. I then read the manual and concluded that it was
impossible to work the mount except by first "unparking". Also that
before
switch off one must "park". So far OK.Now for the problems for which I
need help please......

1. In using some of the polar Alignment programs it is necessary to stop
the tracking temporarily then restart it. I can find no way of doing
this in
the manual. Howard explained to me, very thoroughly, that the stop
button
onlly stops slewing but does not affect the tracking. How can I
stop/restart
tracking withpout switching off the mount ?

2. If I switch off (accidentally or power failure) how do I resume use,
preferably
at the same spot ?
Re: serial converter

mizzou156 <mizzou156@...>
 

--- In ap-gto@..., "George Whitney" <gwhitney@...> wrote:
Hello George,
I'll second Roy's opinion about I/O Gear. Tech support has been great. I've been
using their equipment outdoors in all weather conditions with no problems. Look into
their Edgeport rs 232 to usb converters and the Anywhere ethernet to usb hubs. They
work with Windows and Mac ( with VM Fusion).
Howard,

A while back you said that AP was investigating a serial / USB converting
device. Has there been any progress? I recall that it was a single company's
device that had caught your attention.

Thank you,

George



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Astronomy Insurance- Thank You

mizzou156 <mizzou156@...>
 

Hello,
I want to thank you all for your responses. I am currently looking into another insurer
(Chubb) for coverage. I will also look into AIG. State Farm provided me with a bad
experience years ago, so they are not even in the running.
I do appreciate all of your help...........Jerald
Re: help please - various items

Jeff Young <jey@...>
 

I concur that the manual is quite good and should be read. It's not
like the Meade manuals which leave rather much to be desired. (I can't
speak for Vixen, but if their translations are anything like
Takahashi's, well, they can be pretty rough going.)

One thing though -- if you bought your mount used then download the most
recent manual off Astro-Physics' web site. Whenever they find something
that wasn't explained well enough in the manual they tend to update it
-- so the most recent one is by far the most clear.

-- Jeff.



________________________________

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On
Behalf Of Steve Reilly
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:51 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] help please - various items



The mount is "parked" in any position you when you power off.
There are
three designated park positions as referred to in the manual. I
highly
recommended a through reading of the manual. You can also
configure your
mount for auto-connect which means it reads your time and
location that you
have programmed into the hand controller. When you power on, the
mount is
automatically initialized and starts to track. You can slew to
your targets
if Polar aligned. The manual gives you all the necessary
information and is
quite clear. It should be read before trying to do anything.

If you are referring to using PemPro for Polar alignment, the
program sends
the code by itself. If you are using some other program and it
does not send
the code then look at your tracking rates. There is a stop rate.


If you loose power or turn off the power to the mount, it is
parked. Simply
turn the power back on and it knows where it is already unless
you have
physically moved the mount. Again, and I can not stress this
enough, read
the manual. I don't know anything about using the mount in the
Southern
hemisphere but I'm sure the manual covers any differences
between Northern
and Southern hemisphere operations.

HTH,

Steve


_____

From: ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Gerald Sargent
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:36 PM
To: ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ap-gto] help please - various items

I am a new user of AstroPhysics coming from the Vixen SS2KPC
stable.
The first time I switched on the unit (not having studied the
manual at all
well) is seemed to go OK as it did the second time. Each time I
had just
switched off, then before restarting loosened the clutches and
put
telescope to the pole (I am in the S. Hemisphere). The third
time I could
not get it to do anything and had to resort to phoning a
colleague in UK
who has an AP. He told me how to unpark it, (I had not parked
it) which I
did and it then went. I then read the manual and concluded that
it was
impossible to work the mount except by first "unparking". Also
that before
switch off one must "park". So far OK.Now for the problems for
which I
need help please......

1. In using some of the polar Alignment programs it is necessary
to stop
the tracking temporarily then restart it. I can find no way of
doing this in
the manual. Howard explained to me, very thoroughly, that the
stop button
onlly stops slewing but does not affect the tracking. How can I
stop/restart
tracking withpout switching off the mount ?

2. If I switch off (accidentally or power failure) how do I
resume use,
preferably
at the same spot ?
600E first light

Morgan Spangle <msfainc@...>
 

Finally had a good night last night and took out the Questar 7 on the
600E for some visual double star observing. Setup was easy - I used
the polar scope (pasill4) from my 1200 mount (I didn't tune it to the
600 before using it, so it was probably a little off), and followed
the 2 star routine in the manual, using Dubhe in the east and Procyon
in the west; did three iterations and according to Tpoint, that
brought me to 7 arcminutes west, and 12 arcminutes south of the pole.
Question: on my 1200, you know what one turn of the fine az adjusters
means in terms of arcminutes; is there a similar known value for the
alt/az adjusters on the 600E?
Anyway, I couldn't get the stars to converge on the center but I
figured the alignment was close enough for visual observations; plus,
I hooked up to theSky6 and did a short 12 star Tpoint run - after
that, every target was in the field of a 16mm Brandon - at about
2750mm focal length, I thought that was really good! Using
astroplanner to control the scope, I ran through a list of doubles in
CVN and COM; the seeing was really good, tho there was a high haze,
but I was still able to split an unequal Struve double at 1.1
arcseconds - fun! All in all, the time flew while I was enjoying the
views. The mount held the Q7 rock solid. A lovely spring evening...
Morgan
Re: 600E PE "Normal"???

gilovision2@...
 

Dans un e-mail daté du 09/04/2008 18:23:58 Paris, Madrid,
bobbenamati@... a écrit :

PEMPro gave a +/- 25" error--which stunned me... It does seem that
the worm is running slow(?) for the majority of the run. Any ideas
as to what I'm seeing here?



Are you sure your parameters (focal length...) were OK?

In any case, your curve is smooth, so PEM should work fine with your mount,
much better than a small PE that shows sudden jumps.

Gilles






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: help please - various items

Roland Christen
 

In a message dated 4/8/2008 10:36:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
sargentg@... writes:


1. In using some of the polar Alignment programs it is necessary to stop
the tracking temporarily then restart it. I can find no way of doing this in
the manual. Howard explained to me, very thoroughly, that the stop button
onlly stops slewing but does not affect the tracking. How can I stop/restart
tracking withpout switching off the mount ?
The mount has 4 tracking rates: Sidereal, Solar, Lunar and Stop. The last one
will stop tracking. It's on your keypad in the Main Menu.


2. If I switch off (accidentally or power failure) how do I resume use,
preferably
at the same spot ?
Place the keypad in Autostart YES mode and it will automatically start every
time you turn power on. Turning power off will park the mount in the spot
where you left the scope. Turning power back on automatically resumes the mount
from the previous position. No need to do anything else.

Rolando


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Re: serial converter

Poschinger Konstantin v. <KPoschinger@...>
 

Hello Howard,

I used a keyspan with 4 serial ports. The connection with the
computer is realized cause of the long distance with a ICORON 4 port
Hub. When I try to use the newer ICRON USB 2. the Keyspan didn't
worked. Now I use for USB 2.0 the edgeport. It works fine with both,
the USB 1.1 and USB 2.0

Konstantin


Konstantin v. Poschinger

Hammerichstr. 5
22605 Hamburg
040/8805747
01711983476

Am 09.04.2008 um 01:08 schrieb Howard:

Hi George and All,

We have been looking into the Keyspan units. I have currently used
the single port USA-19HS and the four port USA-49WG on several
machines
including a PC with XP, a laptop with Vista and a Mac Powerbook
laptop.
They have worked flawlessly! We are still planning to offer them
eventually, but unfortunately haven't gotten that far yet. I'll see if
I can get the ball rolling on that project again. Our plan is to also
offer straight-through serial cables that actually work since they
have
become a bit of a challenge to find. I'll post if and when anything
develops.

Mag. 7 skies!

Howard Hedlund

Astro-Physics, Inc.

815-282-1513

________________________________

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf
Of George Whitney
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:59 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] serial converter

Howard,

A while back you said that AP was investigating a serial / USB
converting
device. Has there been any progress? I recall that it was a single
company's
device that had caught your attention.

Thank you,

George
Re: is this a sane workflow?

Roland Christen
 

Having a bigger chip is the key to fast focusing. With a big chip like the
ST10 or STL11k, there is always a star somewhere that can be used for focus. It
is then a matter of simply defining the focus point by drawing a little box
around the star that the software (Maxim) remembers.

Rolando

In a message dated 4/8/2008 10:26:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
mike@... writes:


Hello

I have an AP1200.

My requirement: I need to jump back and forth between my selected
composition/framing of an object, and a bright star suitable for
repeatedly focusing with different filters.

I am doing this by

1) slewing to a bright "focus star" near the intended target, doing a
calibrate on it,

2) focus the camera

3) Then I do the short slew to the main target, and carefully frame
the image. Once the picture is composed, I go to object menu and press
">" which seems to cache the RA/DEC of the current position for later
retrieval.

4) When I'm ready to change filters I slew to the bright star again by
name, and do the filters & focus work.

5) When ready to take photos again, I go to the objects menu and press
"#7 - R/D" which has the coords of my careful framing remembered.

Repeat 4-5 for each filter or photograph series.

I know the easy way to do this is a robofocus and a filter wheel, but
pretend I don't have $1200 for that stuff right now... Am I doing this
repeated change between two sky positions in a silly manner?

Is there any handy software where I can tell it to remember a number
of sky coordinates and just simply click on them A.. B.. A... B... to
go between them?

Thanks!
Mike Clemens



**************
Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides.

(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
Re: help please - various items

Steve Reilly <sreilly@...>
 

The mount is "parked" in any position you when you power off. There are
three designated park positions as referred to in the manual. I highly
recommended a through reading of the manual. You can also configure your
mount for auto-connect which means it reads your time and location that you
have programmed into the hand controller. When you power on, the mount is
automatically initialized and starts to track. You can slew to your targets
if Polar aligned. The manual gives you all the necessary information and is
quite clear. It should be read before trying to do anything.

If you are referring to using PemPro for Polar alignment, the program sends
the code by itself. If you are using some other program and it does not send
the code then look at your tracking rates. There is a stop rate.

If you loose power or turn off the power to the mount, it is parked. Simply
turn the power back on and it knows where it is already unless you have
physically moved the mount. Again, and I can not stress this enough, read
the manual. I don't know anything about using the mount in the Southern
hemisphere but I'm sure the manual covers any differences between Northern
and Southern hemisphere operations.

HTH,

Steve


_____

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of
Gerald Sargent
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:36 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] help please - various items



I am a new user of AstroPhysics coming from the Vixen SS2KPC stable.
The first time I switched on the unit (not having studied the manual at all
well) is seemed to go OK as it did the second time. Each time I had just
switched off, then before restarting loosened the clutches and put
telescope to the pole (I am in the S. Hemisphere). The third time I could
not get it to do anything and had to resort to phoning a colleague in UK
who has an AP. He told me how to unpark it, (I had not parked it) which I
did and it then went. I then read the manual and concluded that it was
impossible to work the mount except by first "unparking". Also that before
switch off one must "park". So far OK.Now for the problems for which I
need help please......

1. In using some of the polar Alignment programs it is necessary to stop
the tracking temporarily then restart it. I can find no way of doing this in
the manual. Howard explained to me, very thoroughly, that the stop button
onlly stops slewing but does not affect the tracking. How can I stop/restart
tracking withpout switching off the mount ?

2. If I switch off (accidentally or power failure) how do I resume use,
preferably
at the same spot ?
help please - various items

Gerald Sargent <sargentg@...>
 

I am a new user of AstroPhysics coming from the Vixen SS2KPC stable.
The first time I switched on the unit (not having studied the manual at all
well) is seemed to go OK as it did the second time. Each time I had just
switched off, then before restarting loosened the clutches and put
telescope to the pole (I am in the S. Hemisphere). The third time I could
not get it to do anything and had to resort to phoning a colleague in UK
who has an AP. He told me how to unpark it, (I had not parked it) which I
did and it then went. I then read the manual and concluded that it was
impossible to work the mount except by first "unparking". Also that before
switch off one must "park". So far OK.Now for the problems for which I
need help please......

1. In using some of the polar Alignment programs it is necessary to stop
the tracking temporarily then restart it. I can find no way of doing this in
the manual. Howard explained to me, very thoroughly, that the stop button
onlly stops slewing but does not affect the tracking. How can I stop/restart
tracking withpout switching off the mount ?

2. If I switch off (accidentally or power failure) how do I resume use, preferably
at the same spot ?
is this a sane workflow?

Mike C
 

Hello

I have an AP1200.

My requirement: I need to jump back and forth between my selected
composition/framing of an object, and a bright star suitable for
repeatedly focusing with different filters.

I am doing this by

1) slewing to a bright "focus star" near the intended target, doing a
calibrate on it,

2) focus the camera

3) Then I do the short slew to the main target, and carefully frame
the image. Once the picture is composed, I go to object menu and press
">" which seems to cache the RA/DEC of the current position for later
retrieval.

4) When I'm ready to change filters I slew to the bright star again by
name, and do the filters & focus work.

5) When ready to take photos again, I go to the objects menu and press
"#7 - R/D" which has the coords of my careful framing remembered.

Repeat 4-5 for each filter or photograph series.

I know the easy way to do this is a robofocus and a filter wheel, but
pretend I don't have $1200 for that stuff right now... Am I doing this
repeated change between two sky positions in a silly manner?

Is there any handy software where I can tell it to remember a number
of sky coordinates and just simply click on them A.. B.. A... B... to
go between them?

Thanks!
Mike Clemens
Re: serial converter

roy uyematsu <roystarman@...>
 

I use the ones made by I/O gear and they seem to work with no issues. You do
need to find the com ports and make sure they agree with the software. I
have used an edgeport in the past and it is good because on USB cable can
contain several different interfaces. I like the 2 COM and 4 USB port box
since you get 2 coms ports one for the mount and one for the focuser. USB
for the camera and you are set and only one cable to connect to the laptop..



Roy Uyematsu



roystarman@...



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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of
Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:08 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] serial converter



Hi George and All,

We have been looking into the Keyspan units. I have currently used
the single port USA-19HS and the four port USA-49WG on several machines
including a PC with XP, a laptop with Vista and a Mac Powerbook laptop.
They have worked flawlessly! We are still planning to offer them
eventually, but unfortunately haven't gotten that far yet. I'll see if
I can get the ball rolling on that project again. Our plan is to also
offer straight-through serial cables that actually work since they have
become a bit of a challenge to find. I'll post if and when anything
develops.

Mag. 7 skies!

Howard Hedlund

Astro-Physics, Inc.

815-282-1513

____________-_________-_________-__

From: HYPERLINK "mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com"ap-gto@...
[mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com"ap-gto@...]
On Behalf
Of George Whitney
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:59 PM
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com"ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] serial converter

Howard,

A while back you said that AP was investigating a serial / USB
converting
device. Has there been any progress? I recall that it was a single
company's
device that had caught your attention.

Thank you,

George








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Re: serial converter

Howard Hedlund
 

Hi George and All,



We have been looking into the Keyspan units. I have currently used
the single port USA-19HS and the four port USA-49WG on several machines
including a PC with XP, a laptop with Vista and a Mac Powerbook laptop.
They have worked flawlessly! We are still planning to offer them
eventually, but unfortunately haven't gotten that far yet. I'll see if
I can get the ball rolling on that project again. Our plan is to also
offer straight-through serial cables that actually work since they have
become a bit of a challenge to find. I'll post if and when anything
develops.



Mag. 7 skies!



Howard Hedlund

Astro-Physics, Inc.

815-282-1513

________________________________

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf
Of George Whitney
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:59 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] serial converter



Howard,

A while back you said that AP was investigating a serial / USB
converting
device. Has there been any progress? I recall that it was a single
company's
device that had caught your attention.

Thank you,

George
serial converter

George Whitney <gwhitney@...>
 

Howard,

A while back you said that AP was investigating a serial / USB converting
device. Has there been any progress? I recall that it was a single company's
device that had caught your attention.

Thank you,

George
Re: Insurance for astronomy equipment

ayiomamitis
 

Eric,

In my case, they sent an "expert" who validated the costs I specified in the Excel
spreadsheet I had prepared for them and who also confirmed the serial numbers I
provided them and, finally, took two photos of each item (the item itself and then the
serial number).

These photos are also printed in the policy.

Anthony.

--- In ap-gto@..., "elraeburn" <elraeburn@...> wrote:

My State Farm agent told me several years ago to photograph any
"unusual" items. Replacing a TV is easy for them to do; replacing an
AP refractor is not. They don't generally deal with such gems, so the
more information you can provide in case of a loss, the easier it will
be should you need to file a claim.

I keep detailed photos of my astronomical and musical equipment locked
in a drawer at work, where they won't be damaged in a catastrophic
loss at home. As a possibly-useful aside, it is more difficult to
document the value of a vintage saxophone than a pristine AP scope, so
I periodically get my musical instruments reappraised by a qualified
repair person.

-Eric


--- In ap-gto@..., "mizzou156" <mizzou156@> wrote:

Hello,
Does anyone have the name of a good insurance company that will
insure mounts,
telescopes, ccd cameras, ect. Homeowners insurance won't cover it
and I would want full
replacement cost, should a loss occur. Any help would be
appreciated. Thank You
Re: Insurance for astronomy equipment

ayiomamitis
 

Stuart,

I did precisely the same thing and, in fact, I found a printed copy of the spreadsheet I had
prepared for them within the policy itself once everything was finalized.

This is good advice and everyone should pursue it!

Anthony.

--- In ap-gto@..., "S HEGGIE" <stuart.j.heggie@...> wrote:

Something else I do is maintain a spreadsheet of serial #'s and market
pricing for all items. I give this to my insurance company anytime something
major changes. I don't want to get into a debate on the insured value of
something that gets stolen. Also, I found out that when you say "camera" or
"bicycle" they assume it is cheap - some items over a particular value
(bicycle over $1000 for example) they want to see a copy of the receipt.

Stuart

From: "Dean S" <dean@...>
Reply-To: ap-gto@...
To: <ap-gto@...>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Insurance for astronomy equipment
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 00:30:18 -0400

I just spoke with my home owners insurance this morning, State Farm, and
she
said my observatory contents are included with the content coverage of my
house. Cameras, telescopes, computers, etc.

And as long as it is just a hobby there is no additional coverage needed,
assuming it is enough overall. However to be safe I am looking into adding
this as an addition to be absolutely sure there would be no hidden
exclusions.

Dean
www.doghouseastronomy.com





----- Original Message -----
From: "mizzou156" <mizzou156@...>
To: <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: [ap-gto] Insurance for astronomy equipment


Hello,
Does anyone have the name of a good insurance company that will
insure
mounts,
telescopes, ccd cameras, ect. Homeowners insurance won't cover it and I
would want full
replacement cost, should a loss occur. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You


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