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Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

M Hambrick
 

Hi Roland

I would be interested to know what they tell you. They are pretty much taking the stance with me that it is not a MaxIm DL problem and must be something with APCC or the AP ASCOM V2 Driver.

 How are you connecting your mount (CPX) to your computer ? USB, Ethernet, Serial, or Wireless ? I have been using an ethernet cable.

Mike


Re: Clean out your old APCC Logs

Terri Zittritsch
 

Chris, Thank you for the pointer, I have 18.3 GB of data in my APCC log!!!    A nice find.    It's also a great idea to clean up old logs on some time frame, maybe the timeframe could be settable in settings, maybe a radio button to delete old log files, that once set has a small box to indicate after how many days..    So you can either keep or delete, and if delete after how many days.

Terri


Re: Lost in space

Roland Christen
 


I commanded the mount to go to park 3 and retightened the clutches. Then I did a recal on Deneb.
If you did that, then yes, the mount will be lost. However, if you do this:

1) Go to Park3 with clutches loose.
2) when the mount stops moving, manually place the axes in Park3 position and tighten the clutches.
3) Go to Objects Menu and choose star (Deneb) and press GoTo.
4) the mount should go close to the star.
5) center the star and press Recal
Now you  are found (i.e. not lost) Blush

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Astrobob <imager1940@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 10:00 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Lost in space

 
I had this problem a few years ago but can’t remember what I did to fix it.
Today I regreased my AP1200 mount. Everything went well. However, I cannot get the mount to find anything.
I loosened the clutches, I commanded the mount to go to park 3 and retightened the clutches. Then I did a recal on Deneb.
The mount went the opposite direction. I cannot recal on anything. The mount seems to have a mind of it’s own.
I must be missing something because all was well before the maintenance.
I’m using The Sky 6 pro and APCC  v5.09.09 on a Windows 7 pro laptop.
 
Thank you,
 
Bob
Sent from Mail for Windows
 

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Lost in space

Astrobob
 

 

I had this problem a few years ago but can’t remember what I did to fix it.

Today I regreased my AP1200 mount. Everything went well. However, I cannot get the mount to find anything.

I loosened the clutches, I commanded the mount to go to park 3 and retightened the clutches. Then I did a recal on Deneb.

The mount went the opposite direction. I cannot recal on anything. The mount seems to have a mind of it’s own.

I must be missing something because all was well before the maintenance.

I’m using The Sky 6 pro and APCC  v5.09.09 on a Windows 7 pro laptop.

 

Thank you,

 

Bob

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: Error in APCC pro reading RA encoder on Mach2 #appc #Mach2GTO

Roland Christen
 

Which mount?

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Allison <jallison@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Error in APCC pro reading RA encoder on Mach2 #appc #Mach2GTO

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 07:45 PM, Terri Zittritsch wrote:
On the RA encoder read error, I had another error last night.   Should I be concerned with this?
I had the same thing happen two weekends ago, when the APCC Error Log pop-up box had this message:

"10/30/2021 11:37:55     Encoder     Warning       Error Reading RA encoder"

It has only happened that one time, and had no noticeable effect.  Howard said I should just ignore this false alarm message, and that Ray has a fix ready for the next APCC release so the warning/error is only thrown when it needs to be.

Jerome

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Error in APCC pro reading RA encoder on Mach2 #appc #Mach2GTO

 

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 07:45 PM, Terri Zittritsch wrote:
On the RA encoder read error, I had another error last night.   Should I be concerned with this?
I had the same thing happen two weekends ago, when the APCC Error Log pop-up box had this message:

"10/30/2021 11:37:55     Encoder     Warning       Error Reading RA encoder"

It has only happened that one time, and had no noticeable effect.  Howard said I should just ignore this false alarm message, and that Ray has a fix ready for the next APCC release so the warning/error is only thrown when it needs to be.

Jerome


Re: Error in APCC pro reading RA encoder on Mach2 #appc #Mach2GTO

Roland Christen
 

Try switching the mount cables between RA and Dec. See if the error switches to Dec. If so, mark that cable.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Terri Zittritsch <theresamarie11@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Error in APCC pro reading RA encoder on Mach2 #appc #Mach2GTO


Thanks Brian and Ray for suggestions on the error window.   Last night, it just worked without issue, so not sure why.

Ray, not sure if APCC was minimized when the error occurred.   I typically do not watch APCC unless I suspect something is wrong or I need to change a meridian setting. 

I will give both suggestions on the error window a try next time I run into this.

On the RA encoder read error, I had another error last night.   Should I be concerned with this?

Terri




On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:03 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:
Hi Terri,

Do you recall if APCC was minimized when this happens?

If so, try :

1. Close the Errror Log window from the Windows taskbar
2. Unminimize APCC
3. Reopen the Error Log window via APCC's Tools menu.

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Error in APCC pro reading RA encoder on Mach2 #appc #Mach2GTO

Terri Zittritsch
 


Thanks Brian and Ray for suggestions on the error window.   Last night, it just worked without issue, so not sure why.

Ray, not sure if APCC was minimized when the error occurred.   I typically do not watch APCC unless I suspect something is wrong or I need to change a meridian setting. 

I will give both suggestions on the error window a try next time I run into this.

On the RA encoder read error, I had another error last night.   Should I be concerned with this?

Terri




On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:03 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:

Hi Terri,

Do you recall if APCC was minimized when this happens?

If so, try :

1. Close the Errror Log window from the Windows taskbar
2. Unminimize APCC
3. Reopen the Error Log window via APCC's Tools menu.


Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

Roland Christen
 

No, not yet. I just got back yesterday from a 3 week trip to the islands.

Roland



-----Original Message-----
From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

That’s interesting Roland. Have you asked the folks at Diffraction Limited about this ?

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: east/west Plate solving with an SCT

mjb87@...
 

Thanks. The description on page 52 seems to follow the same process as used in ConeSharp, albeit the latter is more automated in its execution.


Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

M Hambrick
 

That’s interesting Roland. Have you asked the folks at Diffraction Limited about this ?


Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

Roland Christen
 

It probably won't show anything in APCC logs. I have exactly the same problem with MaximDL hooked directly to the mount via the ASCOM driver without APCC.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Gralak <iogroups@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

> Tonight, after connecting my cameras and mount to MaxIm I gave the first GoTo command to the mount from
> MaxIm and it executed it correctly, but afterwards the mount would accept no more GoTo or any other
> commands through the MaxIm observatory control window. Note that when I gave the mount commands
> through APCC it behaved normally.

We're going to need to see your APCC logs to understand what happened.

-Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of M Hambrick
> Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 9:07 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: [ap-gto] Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window
>
> I am not sure if this is an APCC or MaxIm DL problem so I am putting this in both forums.
>
> I have just started running my Astro-Physics 1100 GTO mount through Astro-Physics Command Center (APCC
> Pro Version 1.9.0.11) and the Observatory control window in MaxIm DL Pro (currently on V 6.29), and until
> tonight there have been no issues other than the normal learning curve.
>
> I am using the AP ASCOM V2 Telescope Driver (version 5.30.10)
>
> Tonight, after connecting my cameras and mount to MaxIm I gave the first GoTo command to the mount from
> MaxIm and it executed it correctly, but afterwards the mount would accept no more GoTo or any other
> commands through the MaxIm observatory control window. Note that when I gave the mount commands
> through APCC it behaved normally.
>
> What I have observed is that after the mount finished slewing to the GoTo object, The mount status in MaxIm
> thought the mount was still slewing. Clicking the Abort button made no difference.
>
> I shut down and restarted the mount, MaxIm, and APCC several times but always got the same result after the
> first GoTo command was executed.
>
> Until tonight I had been using a Cat 5e .ethernet cable to connect from the mount controller to my computer.
> Tonight I started out with a new Cat 6a cable, but switching back to the original Cat 5e cable made no
> difference.
>
> Mike
>
>
>







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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Guider Settings

Roland Christen
 

Maxim works in time (seconds)
PHD2 works in arc seconds.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2021 11:14 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Guider Settings

Thanks Roland

So, was your original recommendation to never use less than 0.3 seconds intended to be arc-seconds and not time as is given in the MaxIm settings ?

If you intended the minimum move to be in arc seconds that would mean that I should change the Minimum move setting in MaxIm to 0.02 seconds of time.

When I tried using a 0.3 seconds of time (equivalent to 4.5 arc seconds ??), the guider essentially quit making any corrections.

Mike

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

Roland Christen
 

I have exactly the same problem with MaximDL. It started doing this about 3 - 4 months ago and now I cannot get it to recognize the tracking mode after the first slew. Before this, I never had any problem with MaximDL slewing or centering a star on the crosshairs.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2021 11:07 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

I am not sure if this is an APCC or MaxIm DL problem so I am putting this in both forums.
 
I have just started running my Astro-Physics 1100 GTO mount through Astro-Physics Command Center (APCC Pro Version 1.9.0.11) and the Observatory control window in MaxIm DL Pro (currently on V 6.29), and until tonight there have been no issues other than the normal learning curve.
 
I am using the AP ASCOM V2 Telescope Driver (version 5.30.10)
 
Tonight, after connecting my cameras and mount to MaxIm I gave the first GoTo command to the mount from MaxIm and it executed it correctly, but afterwards the mount would accept no more GoTo or any other commands through the MaxIm observatory control window. Note that when I gave the mount commands through APCC it behaved normally.
 
What I have observed is that after the mount finished slewing to the GoTo object, The mount status in MaxIm thought the mount was still slewing. Clicking the Abort button made no difference.
 
I shut down and restarted the mount, MaxIm, and APCC several times but always got the same result after the first GoTo command was executed.
 
Until tonight I had been using a Cat 5e .ethernet cable to connect from the mount controller to my computer. Tonight I started out with a new Cat 6a cable, but switching back to the original Cat 5e cable made no difference.
 
Mike


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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Mach2 with CP five jiggling while tracking

Roland Christen
 

Please send me any information about your mount to chris1011@.... That way it won't get lost on this user group. Also include George@...

Roland Christen
Astro-Physics Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffc <jeffcrilly@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2021 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 with CP five jiggling while tracking

Roland - Earlier (about a month ago) I replied with some output from mount commands you asked for.   I’m guessing that thread may have been lost in the noise or spam.  

In any event here’s the data I extracted for those terminal commands… let me know if you need additional info.   

Thx

Here's the output of the terminal commands:

$RS#  =  10#
$RA#  =  40#
$RN#  =  8#
$RZ#  =  0#

Also copied as a screenshot attached.


-jeff

image.png

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: east/west Plate solving with an SCT

Howard Hedlund
 

Remember that we have a very quick and easy method for measuring orthogonality - the first step in correcting it.
https://astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/keypad/keypad-manual.pdf   
Go to page 52.   These instructions, of course, are for the keypad, but the concept applies easily to computers and plate solves as well.  By doing a little high-school trigonometry (remember to cut the measured error in half), you can get a precise measurement for shim thickness.  Trial and error is trivial on a 130, and usually unnecessary anyway.  On a big Cassegrain, trial and error is a major pain in the butt, so getting it real close to begin with is a good plan.  Understand as well that the error you measure will probably include some portion from shift/flop/movement.  Still, I think that fixing the orthogonality with this method will help, and it will mechanically reduce one important error source.  HH


Re: Clean out your old APCC Logs

 

For this kind of thing, I use Tree Size - a simple free utility that does a great job of showing your usage by directory, so I can easily find and delete unneeded logs, etc.

https://www.jam-software.com/treesize_free

It's not just APCC that generates tons of logs: ASCOM can do this, and Windows has its fair share of disk clogging files as well. 

This utility starts by listing the directories by storage used, and you can drill down from there. One time we found 250 gigs of Windows search index files 


Brian


Brian


Re: Clean out your old APCC Logs

Ben Koltenbah
 

I would prefer that these log files not be deleted as they serve as excellent diagnostics for when things go wrong, and I may not be able to get to them for quite some time, often more than 30 days later.  I try to make it a point to move the log files to the folders associated with their respective imaging sessions.  If after some time I decide I don't need them after all, then I delete them.  I also save my guiding logs and other log files in the same spot.

Ben


Re: Clean out your old APCC Logs

Worsel
 

Mike

C:/ProgramData is, by Windows default, a hidden folder.  It will appear in Windows Explorer, if you check the Hidden Folders box in the View tab

Bryan


Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

M Hambrick
 

Actually Ray, I think that maybe these are the logs you are looking for: There are three different instances because I started and stopped APCC several times trying to figure out what was going on.

Mike

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