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Re: AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

David Messier
 

Ray 

That was in 5.21, no error message, appeared to connect but wasn't. Connect and disconnect within a second. Version 5.50.3 connects with everything but when I start guiding the mount stops tracking. Touching thr manual control starts tracking again. I don't see any CP3S or 4s to buy anywhere. 

David P Messier
860-823-8820

On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 12:35 PM, Ray Gralak
<iogroups@...> wrote:
Hi Dale,

> NINA interacts with mounts only through their respective ASCOM driver. If PHD2 is connected to the A-P ASCOM
> driver, and the driver blows up when NINA attempts to use it, then something is detonating within the driver.

Detonated! Wow, that's something I haven't heard about the AP V2 driver. :-)

What error message did NINA get from the ASCOM driver?

-Ray







Today's APOD

Roland Christen
 

Brought to you by 900 mount user Fabian Neyer of Switzerland:

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap220902.html

http://www.starpointing.com/equipment.html

http://www.starpointing.com/ccd/m51.html

Congrats on an excellent image.

Rolando

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Dale,

NINA interacts with mounts only through their respective ASCOM driver. If PHD2 is connected to the A-P ASCOM
driver, and the driver blows up when NINA attempts to use it, then something is detonating within the driver.
Detonated! Wow, that's something I haven't heard about the AP V2 driver. :-)

What error message did NINA get from the ASCOM driver?

-Ray


Re: [ap-ug] M27 with 110 refractor

Roland Christen
 

Production field flattener and F5 compressor are not finished yet. Will let you all know in due time.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Yuexiao Shen <syxbach@...>
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io
Cc: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2022 10:58 am
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] M27 with 110 refractor

Roland, do you have Raw 6200 files to show the stars to the edge of the chip? Thanks 

Yuexiao 


On Sep 2, 2022, at 10:48, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


Hello Astronuts,

The other day I had a clear night for testing in the observatory and asked for suggestions for what to image. Unfortunately i had some technical problems with the camera that was not resolved until late that night. I chose to image something bright and M27 happened to be overhead. So here is a crop of this little jewel:
https://www.astrobin.com/m6n3a0/0/
I have been testing the 110 GTX Voyager scope with various flattener optics and comparing the results against bigger scopes. It's surprising how well it does against the bigger scopes under various seeing conditions.

Rolando

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: M27 with 110 refractor

Eric Weiner
 

Very nice. Thanks for the 110 update Roland. Looking forward to the product release.

Eric


M27 with 110 refractor

Roland Christen
 

Hello Astronuts,

The other day I had a clear night for testing in the observatory and asked for suggestions for what to image. Unfortunately i had some technical problems with the camera that was not resolved until late that night. I chose to image something bright and M27 happened to be overhead. So here is a crop of this little jewel:
https://www.astrobin.com/m6n3a0/0/
I have been testing the 110 GTX Voyager scope with various flattener optics and comparing the results against bigger scopes. It's surprising how well it does against the bigger scopes under various seeing conditions.

Rolando

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

Dale Ghent
 

NINA interacts with mounts only through their respective ASCOM driver. If PHD2 is connected to the A-P ASCOM driver, and the driver blows up when NINA attempts to use it, then something is detonating within the driver.

On Sep 2, 2022, at 11:22, Ray Gralak <iogroups@...> wrote:

NINA, if it chooses to support older firmware, may have to query the mount's version and restrict what it does based on the firmware version. The older controllers are not capable of some things that the newer controllers can do.

The alternative is you could upgrade to a GTOCP4 or CP3 with rev V firmware. But eventually, support for the CP3 will fall behind as new functionality is added to the latest controllers.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Messier via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 8:04 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

Ray,

I saw that 5.21 was supposed to work so I tried it. PHD2 would work but the mount would not connect to NINA.


David P Messier
860-823-8820


On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 10:03 AM, Ray Gralak
<iogroups@...> wrote:
Hi David,

At one point, A-P asked me to remove some options that are no longer available in the later control boxes
(like focuser support), so with the GTOCP2 you should consider using the older driver.

-Ray


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Messier via groups.io
> Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 7:35 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2
>
> I have updated all the programs to the latest version. Everything connects, NINA is able to control the
mount. In
> Ascom v2 5.21 I got the mount to calibrate and guide, but with 5.50.3, as soon as I try to guide, the mount
stops
> tracking.
>
>
> David P Messier
> 860-823-8820

>













Re: AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

Ray Gralak
 

NINA, if it chooses to support older firmware, may have to query the mount's version and restrict what it does based on the firmware version. The older controllers are not capable of some things that the newer controllers can do.

The alternative is you could upgrade to a GTOCP4 or CP3 with rev V firmware. But eventually, support for the CP3 will fall behind as new functionality is added to the latest controllers.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Messier via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 8:04 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

Ray,

I saw that 5.21 was supposed to work so I tried it. PHD2 would work but the mount would not connect to NINA.


David P Messier
860-823-8820


On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 10:03 AM, Ray Gralak
<iogroups@...> wrote:
Hi David,

At one point, A-P asked me to remove some options that are no longer available in the later control boxes
(like focuser support), so with the GTOCP2 you should consider using the older driver.

-Ray


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Messier via groups.io
> Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 7:35 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2
>
> I have updated all the programs to the latest version. Everything connects, NINA is able to control the
mount. In
> Ascom v2 5.21 I got the mount to calibrate and guide, but with 5.50.3, as soon as I try to guide, the mount
stops
> tracking.
>
>
> David P Messier
> 860-823-8820

>









Re: AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

David Messier
 

Ray, 

I saw that 5.21 was supposed to work so I tried it. PHD2 would work but the mount would not connect to NINA. 

David P Messier
860-823-8820

On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 10:03 AM, Ray Gralak
<iogroups@...> wrote:
Hi David,

At one point, A-P asked me to remove some options that are no longer available in the later control boxes (like focuser support), so with the GTOCP2 you should consider using the older driver.

-Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Messier via groups.io
> Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 7:35 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2
>
> I have updated all the programs to the latest version. Everything connects, NINA is able to control the mount. In
> Ascom v2 5.21 I got the mount to calibrate and guide, but with 5.50.3, as soon as I try to guide, the mount  stops
> tracking.
>
>
> David P Messier
> 860-823-8820

>







Re: 1100GTO and NINA -- Meridian Flip Failure #APCC

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 09:50 AM, Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri wrote:
Looking for some insight into what may have occurred during my imaging run last evening. I had my 1100GTO set to do a smart meridian flip using NINA. This has worked in the past, but last night something serious happened.
The flip was to occur at 01:13:23.  When I checked the scope this morning it was counterweight up, pier-side east and APCC had the fault: East Limit Reached. There was not a pier crash (good!) but I lost half my subs (and clear nights are hard to get here in Maryland lately :)
You may want to ask on the discord channel for NINA, the people who really know are there regularly.  When you say though it was pier-side east -- do you mean east?  So it was already flipped but went CW up when it flipped?  

I did see this in the log: 

2022-09-02T01:09:41.9544|INFO|MeridianFlipVM.cs|DoFlip|127|Meridian Flip - Scope will flip to coordinates RA: 21:39:09 Dec: 57° 34' 46" Epoch: JNOW
2022-09-02T01:10:43.6149|INFO|MeridianFlipVM.cs|Settle|322|Meridian Flip - Settling scope for 30
That seems to indicate it spent a minute or so moving, and notice the destination RA is 21:39:09. 

Then look at the next plate solve (below).  It says the real coordinates are RA 01:08:19  which is 4 hours off (DEC is right), and perhaps even more strange the mount reports 04:41:22.  It's like it moved to a very wrong place and even so thinks it is somewhere else and stopped tracking.  Not knowing your location or anything hard to say where the target was, but was 1:13am when you expected it to flip?  Did the mount have "room" in its limits to reach that?   I would start there, first figure out RA 21:39:09 is the right place, see where it was relative to the meridian at 1:13am, is that actually when you wanted it to flip.  If all that looks good, something happened while the mount did that slew? 

But I really dropped by to say if it looks like it is a NINA question you may have better luck over on discord.

2022-09-02T01:13:03.4865|INFO|ImageSolver.cs|Solve|54|Platesolve successful: Coordinates: RA: 01:08:19; Dec: 57° 23' 06"; Epoch: J2000
2022-09-02T01:13:03.4895|INFO|CenteringSolver.cs|Center|84|Centering Solver - Scope Position: RA: 04:41:22; Dec: 57° 30' 23"; Epoch: JNOW; Offset: RA: 00:00:00; Dec: 00° 00' 00"; Distance: 00° 00' 00"; Bearing: 00° 00' 00"; Centering Coordinates: RA: 21:39:09; Dec: 57° 34' 46"; Epoch: JNOW; Solved: RA: 01:09:43; Dec: 57° 30' 11"; Epoch: JNOW; Separation RA: 20:29:25; Dec: 00° 04' 34"; Distance: 27° 32' 07"; Bearing: -67° 29' 09"; Threshold: 1
2022-09-02T01:13:03.4945|ERROR|AscomTelescope.cs|Sync|725|Telescope is not tracking to be able to sync

Linwood


Re: AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

Ray Gralak
 

Hi David,

At one point, A-P asked me to remove some options that are no longer available in the later control boxes (like focuser support), so with the GTOCP2 you should consider using the older driver.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Messier via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 7:35 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

I have updated all the programs to the latest version. Everything connects, NINA is able to control the mount. In
Ascom v2 5.21 I got the mount to calibrate and guide, but with 5.50.3, as soon as I try to guide, the mount stops
tracking.


David P Messier
860-823-8820


1100GTO and NINA -- Meridian Flip Failure #APCC

Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri
 

Looking for some insight into what may have occurred during my imaging run last evening. I had my 1100GTO set to do a smart meridian flip using NINA. This has worked in the past, but last night something serious happened.
The flip was to occur at 01:13:23.  When I checked the scope this morning it was counterweight up, pier-side east and APCC had the fault: East Limit Reached. There was not a pier crash (good!) but I lost half my subs (and clear nights are hard to get here in Maryland lately :)


My NINA and AP logs can be found below if anyone would like to help me out (I have a hard time deciphering these logs). 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f0jtrbgudrwqtyq/APCC-2022-09-01-210259.txt?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nonui224h0vunfw/NINA%2020220901-210203-2.0.1.9001.7564.log?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gyd2p74rgpqxxzs/APCC%20Screen%201.png?dl=0

Thanks much


Re: AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

Emilio J. Robau, P.E.
 

I don't know if you are also posting on CN, but I think someone else on CN has issues.  I experienced the same thing.   I ended up upgrading to a CP3 and the issue went away.  The CP2 unit is quite old.  I spent quite a bit of time on it and ultimately for about $250 I purchased a used CP3 and it works great.  However, I can also tell you that a CP4 which I have on my 1600 works even better.  I was not able to overcome my and your issue.


Re: Change APPC log and APPM image directories #APCC

Carl Björk
 

Hi Ray,

Many thanks!

Ok, no worries, that would be a convenient feature to have, even through regedit or .config files.

As a workaround, rather than syncing, I created a hard symlink (NTFS directory junction):

C:\ProgramData\Astro-Physics\APCC>mklink /J Logs D:\Logs\APCC
Junction created for Logs <<===>> D:\Logs\APCC

Cheers,

Carl


On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 04:24 PM, Ray Gralak wrote:
Hi Carl,

The log directories cannot be changed at this time.

-Ray
On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 04:26 PM, Ray Gralak wrote:
BTW, you might try using a utilty like SyncBackPro, which can move the files to your other disk on a daily basis, or on command.

-Ray


Re: AP900GTO CP2, Ascom v2, NINA, PHD2

David Messier
 

I have updated all the programs to the latest version. Everything connects, NINA is able to control the mount. In Ascom v2 5.21 I got the mount to calibrate and guide, but with 5.50.3, as soon as I try to guide, the mount  stops tracking. 

David P Messier
860-823-8820


Re: Change APPC log and APPM image directories #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Those 4.6GB are too much for my small partition, is there anyway I can configure APPC/APPM to write those
directly on my +300GB data partition ?

BTW, you might try using a utilty like SyncBackPro, which can move the files to your other disk on a daily basis, or on command.

-Ray


Re: Change APPC log and APPM image directories #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Carl,

The log directories cannot be changed at this time.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carl Björk
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 1:23 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Change APPC log and APPM image directories #APCC

Hi !


My imaging computer has a small 40GB main partition and +300GB data partition.

After 7 nights imaging:

* APPC logs in C:\ProgramData\APCC\Logs consumes 3.5GB
* APPM image files in C:\Users\...\Documents\Astro-Physics\APPM consumes 1.1GB


Those 4.6GB are too much for my small partition, is there anyway I can configure APPC/APPM to write those
directly on my +300GB data partition ?


Thanks,

Cheers,

Carl


Change APPC log and APPM image directories #APCC

Carl Björk
 

Hi !
 
 
My imaging computer has a small 40GB main partition and +300GB data partition.
 
After 7 nights imaging:
  • APPC logs in C:\ProgramData\APCC\Logs consumes 3.5GB
  • APPM image files in C:\Users\...\Documents\Astro-Physics\APPM consumes 1.1GB
 
Those 4.6GB are too much for my small partition, is there anyway I can configure APPC/APPM to write those directly on my +300GB data partition ?
 
 
Thanks,
 
Cheers,
 
Carl


Re: What object to image tonight?

Antoine PAVLIN
 

Flying Bat Nebula and The Squid in HOO?

Large object, salle fit nicely.

Antoine

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De : Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Envoyé : jeudi 01 septembre 2022 02:00
À : main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [ap-gto] What object to image tonight?

Yes, shooting mainly narrowband because of severe local light pollution. Shooting with the 130GTX and 6200 CMOS.

Roland



-----Original Message-----
From: Alex <groups@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2022 6:32 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] What object to image tonight?

M16 and M17 could be nicely framed on a full frame sensor mounted on something like a 110GTX with a focal reducer.  They're already past the meridian at dusk, so you couldn't get a ton of time on them though.

The North American and Pelican Nebulas would nicely fit as well.  The whole Veil Nebula complex also fits with that setup, something that took 4 panel mosaic on a 130GTX and an APS-C sized sensor when I did it recently.

There's a ton of interesting stuff in Cygnus if you're shooting narrowband.

Alex

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: What object to image tonight?

Patrick Sparkman
 

Wizard Nebula NGC 7380.  Reasonably high and transits around midnight.  Plus, a good NB target and fit for that focal length.