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Re: Aperture vs Focal Ratio to determine exposure time

Stephen Winston
 

Ray,

>There is no aperture mentioned in the table, only f-ratio and wavelength

I think the question is:  What does changing the f-ratio actually mean in that table?  How are the different f-ratios achieved?  

In that case for a fixed focal length lens, the only way to change the f-ratio (and hence change the airy disk size) is to change the aperture.

BTW: I was one of those who (foolishly :)) contributed to the original CN thread.  I understand that it is easier for people to think in terms of one or the other (focal-ratio or aperture), but in any real world imaging system, aperture, focal length and the derived focal-ratio are all locked together - you can't change one without changing at least of of the others.

Steve
 


Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Roland Christen
 

Yes, we thought about it, great idea. Don't have any more info to share at this point.

Rolando



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Rolando,

A simple keypad or joystick to manually jog the mount would be a popular accessory, especially if made by AP. Any thoughts about making one?

Thanks,

Don

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Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Donald Rudny
 

Rolando,

A simple keypad or joystick to manually jog the mount would be a popular accessory, especially if made by AP. Any thoughts about making one?

Thanks,

Don

Don Rudny


Rolando?

steamdiesel@...
 

Hello all,

New guy here with a silly question. Is Rolando (Uncarollo2) actually Roland Christen, the owner of A-P? And if so, does he prefer to be called Rolando instead of Roland, or is Rolando just his forum handle?

Glenn


Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

John Shutz
 

I agree.



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That looks slick!

Rolando







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Hi guys,

I was in the same dilemma because I like to have a real keypad compared to a virtual one that is on a phone. (Note: I have ordered my Mach1GTO but have not received it yet. Hopefully, it will come in the June batch of Mach1GTOs).



So, while waiting for it, I decided to build my own controller with a joystick that will connect to the keypad port:



https://www.dropbox.com/s/rq7iknyixkcvo77/closed_small.jpg?dl=0



Of course, this is *not* going to replace the AP keypad. It is designed just to move the mount, that's all. Once it is tested with the Mach1GTO and it works, I will post it on github.



cytan







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Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Roland Christen
 


Also, I don’t know of any way to tell the keypad to “slew to an area near declination zero, just west of the meridian”
The keypad does tell you where the meridian is (it's on the Main menu). You enter that value in the RA entry and enter zero in the DEC entry and press GoTo.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Wade Hilmo' y.groups@... [ap-gto]
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Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 4:38 pm
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

To answer your question “what could be easier”, if we were just talking about plugging in the keypad, then nothing would be easier. In my case, the CP4 controller was somewhat difficult to get to, based on its location relative to other stuff in the observatory tent. I was just getting ready to get up from my work table and crawl to the CP4 to plug in the keypad, when I remembered that I could use my phone. It was really convenient (and kind of cool) that I could just ad-hoc connect over wifi from my phone.



Normally, I have a pretty tidy setup in the observatory tent. But on this particular occasion, I was playing with a new setup and had some extraneous wires and boxes scattered about.



Also, I don’t know of any way to tell the keypad to “slew to an area near declination zero, just west of the meridian”. This is really easy to do from SkySafari.





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When it came time that I wanted to point it, the keypad was unplugged (because the keypad was set to auto initialize and I wanted the computer to do it).

When you initialize the mount with ASCOM driver, you can then hot plug the keypad in and it will come right up by itself in the Main Menu and not demand anything from you. How could it be any easier? The keypad can be set to anything (Yes, NO or EXT), but if you initialize with ASCOM, the keypad will skip all the initialize steps and go directly to the Main Menu. You can plug it in and unplug it at any time in your session without affecting anything.

Rolando





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Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 3:15 pm
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

I was out in the field using my AP1100 this past weekend.



I was imaging and had initialized the mount with the ASCOM driver. On the particular computer I was using, I didn’t have any planetarium software installed. My plan was to use the keypad for ad-hoc pointing tasks. When it came time that I wanted to point it, the keypad was unplugged (because the keypad was set to auto initialize and I wanted the computer to do it). It turned out that it was easier to just connect my phone to the CP4 and connect SkySafari. That gave me a graphical planetarium with the ability to point the mount.



I believe that it’s fully possible to live without the keypad if you have a smartphone with SkySafari or Luminos (but full disclosure: I am not planning on selling my keypad, so that that for what it’s worth).



-Wade



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You can control your mount just like your keypad with a smartphone and SkySafari or Luminos.


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Also, if you own a reflecting scope that needs collimation adjustments or checks, keypad is very useful. Plus if for some odd reason, your computer dies, you can still use the mount to some extent.

Keep the keypad, like a spare tire you will likely never need it but if you do, you will be pissed if you don't have one...

Mike J. Shade: mshade@q.com <mailto:mshade@q.com>

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In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

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Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west. Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east? Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

International Dark Sky Association: <http://www.darksky.org/> www.darksky.org <http://www.darksky.org>

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Subject: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Hello Dear Community,

I hope somebody here can help me to decide in how to proceed with the following:

I purchased a AP Mach1 CP4 at the beginning of 2016 which has worked flawless so far. At that time I also purchased the GTO Keypad however, I just used it once during the initial setup of the mount. Since then, I've used a computer to control the mount via AP ASCOM V2 driver.

In this case, I am thinking in selling the keypad to fund other astronomical equipment. However, before doing this, may I ask to the community: Is there a case where I would need the keypad in the future?

I am fully mobile (so far) and just interested in astrophotography and as I said, I always use a computer to control the mount.

Thanks and clear skies,

Diego











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Re: 1100GTO Encoders

Christopher Erickson
 

What AP has too much class to tell you (but I don't) is that the iOptron and 10Micron mounts use a far-East absolute rotary encoder that is significantly lower resolution than AP's encoders and that they use interpolation between encoder tics to simulate higher resolution.  I have no personal experience with ASA mounts and their encoders so I can't comment on them.
 
In my experience, if a manufacturer isn't open and candid about who's and which absolute rotary encoders they are using, there is a reason.
 
In my engineering world, the two big, respected names in absolute, high-precision, rotary encoders are Renishaw and Gurley.
 
Buyer beware.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
 



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Subject: [ap-gto] 1100GTO Encoders

I'm looking at mounts in the 1100 GTO, MX+, DDM85, GM2000 range and I'm trying to understand how the 1100GTO encoder product is different from the ASA or 10Micron product.  As I understand it those two products only really benefit from encoders if you have built a model with custom software (effectively ProTrack)?    With AP it looks like you can do this with APCC Pro but you would still get the benefit of the encoders by just turning them on?  What does the startup sequence look like for an 1100GTO vs. 1100GTO with encoders?  I'm used to the MyT startup of home and then go as long as the mount hasn't moved.


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Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

W Hilmo
 

To answer your question “what could be easier”, if we were just talking about plugging in the keypad, then nothing would be easier. In my case, the CP4 controller was somewhat difficult to get to, based on its location relative to other stuff in the observatory tent. I was just getting ready to get up from my work table and crawl to the CP4 to plug in the keypad, when I remembered that I could use my phone. It was really convenient (and kind of cool) that I could just ad-hoc connect over wifi from my phone.



Normally, I have a pretty tidy setup in the observatory tent. But on this particular occasion, I was playing with a new setup and had some extraneous wires and boxes scattered about.



Also, I don’t know of any way to tell the keypad to “slew to an area near declination zero, just west of the meridian”. This is really easy to do from SkySafari.





From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:13 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?







When it came time that I wanted to point it, the keypad was unplugged (because the keypad was set to auto initialize and I wanted the computer to do it).

When you initialize the mount with ASCOM driver, you can then hot plug the keypad in and it will come right up by itself in the Main Menu and not demand anything from you. How could it be any easier? The keypad can be set to anything (Yes, NO or EXT), but if you initialize with ASCOM, the keypad will skip all the initialize steps and go directly to the Main Menu. You can plug it in and unplug it at any time in your session without affecting anything.

Rolando





-----Original Message-----
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To: ap-gto <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 3:15 pm
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

I was out in the field using my AP1100 this past weekend.



I was imaging and had initialized the mount with the ASCOM driver. On the particular computer I was using, I didn’t have any planetarium software installed. My plan was to use the keypad for ad-hoc pointing tasks. When it came time that I wanted to point it, the keypad was unplugged (because the keypad was set to auto initialize and I wanted the computer to do it). It turned out that it was easier to just connect my phone to the CP4 and connect SkySafari. That gave me a graphical planetarium with the ability to point the mount.



I believe that it’s fully possible to live without the keypad if you have a smartphone with SkySafari or Luminos (but full disclosure: I am not planning on selling my keypad, so that that for what it’s worth).



-Wade



From: ap-gto@... <mailto:gto@...> [mailto:ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto@...?> ]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?





You can control your mount just like your keypad with a smartphone and SkySafari or Luminos.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, 2:55 PM, 'Mike Shade' mshade@q.com <mailto:mshade@q.com> [ap-gto] <ap-gto@... <mailto:gto@...> > wrote:



Also, if you own a reflecting scope that needs collimation adjustments or checks, keypad is very useful. Plus if for some odd reason, your computer dies, you can still use the mount to some extent.

Keep the keypad, like a spare tire you will likely never need it but if you do, you will be pissed if you don't have one...

Mike J. Shade: mshade@q.com <mailto:mshade@q.com>

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west. Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east? Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

International Dark Sky Association: <http://www.darksky.org/> www.darksky.org <http://www.darksky.org>

From: ap-gto@... <mailto:gto@...> [mailto:ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto@...?> ]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:07 AM
To: ap-gto@... <mailto:gto@...>
Subject: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Hello Dear Community,

I hope somebody here can help me to decide in how to proceed with the following:

I purchased a AP Mach1 CP4 at the beginning of 2016 which has worked flawless so far. At that time I also purchased the GTO Keypad however, I just used it once during the initial setup of the mount. Since then, I've used a computer to control the mount via AP ASCOM V2 driver.

In this case, I am thinking in selling the keypad to fund other astronomical equipment. However, before doing this, may I ask to the community: Is there a case where I would need the keypad in the future?

I am fully mobile (so far) and just interested in astrophotography and as I said, I always use a computer to control the mount.

Thanks and clear skies,

Diego

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Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Roland Christen
 

That looks slick!

Rolando



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Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 4:14 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?



Hi guys,
   I was in the same dilemma because I like to have a real keypad compared to a virtual one that is on a phone. (Note: I have ordered my Mach1GTO but have not received it yet. Hopefully, it will come in the June batch of Mach1GTOs).

So, while waiting for it, I decided to build my own controller with a joystick that will connect to the keypad port:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rq7iknyixkcvo77/closed_small.jpg?dl=0

Of course, this is *not* going to replace the AP keypad. It is designed just to move the mount, that's all. Once it is tested with the Mach1GTO and it works, I will post it on github. 

cytan



Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Cheng-Yang Tan
 

Hi guys,
   I was in the same dilemma because I like to have a real keypad compared to a virtual one that is on a phone. (Note: I have ordered my Mach1GTO but have not received it yet. Hopefully, it will come in the June batch of Mach1GTOs).

So, while waiting for it, I decided to build my own controller with a joystick that will connect to the keypad port:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rq7iknyixkcvo77/closed_small.jpg?dl=0

Of course, this is *not* going to replace the AP keypad. It is designed just to move the mount, that's all. Once it is tested with the Mach1GTO and it works, I will post it on github. 

cytan


Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Roland Christen
 


When it came time that I wanted to point it, the keypad was unplugged (because the keypad was set to auto initialize and I wanted the computer to do it).
When you initialize the mount with ASCOM driver, you can then hot plug the keypad in and it will come right up by itself in the Main Menu and not demand anything from you. How could it be any easier? The keypad can be set to anything (Yes, NO or EXT), but if you initialize with ASCOM, the keypad will skip all the initialize steps and go directly to the Main Menu. You can plug it in and unplug it at any time in your session without affecting anything.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Wade Hilmo' y.groups@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 3:15 pm
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

I was out in the field using my AP1100 this past weekend.



I was imaging and had initialized the mount with the ASCOM driver. On the particular computer I was using, I didn’t have any planetarium software installed. My plan was to use the keypad for ad-hoc pointing tasks. When it came time that I wanted to point it, the keypad was unplugged (because the keypad was set to auto initialize and I wanted the computer to do it). It turned out that it was easier to just connect my phone to the CP4 and connect SkySafari. That gave me a graphical planetarium with the ability to point the mount.



I believe that it’s fully possible to live without the keypad if you have a smartphone with SkySafari or Luminos (but full disclosure: I am not planning on selling my keypad, so that that for what it’s worth).



-Wade



From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:15 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?





You can control your mount just like your keypad with a smartphone and SkySafari or Luminos.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, 2:55 PM, 'Mike Shade' mshade@q.com [ap-gto] gto@...> wrote:



Also, if you own a reflecting scope that needs collimation adjustments or checks, keypad is very useful. Plus if for some odd reason, your computer dies, you can still use the mount to some extent.

Keep the keypad, like a spare tire you will likely never need it but if you do, you will be pissed if you don't have one...

Mike J. Shade: mshade@q.com

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west. Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east? Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

International Dark Sky Association: <http://www.darksky.org/> www.darksky.org

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:07 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Hello Dear Community,

I hope somebody here can help me to decide in how to proceed with the following:

I purchased a AP Mach1 CP4 at the beginning of 2016 which has worked flawless so far. At that time I also purchased the GTO Keypad however, I just used it once during the initial setup of the mount. Since then, I've used a computer to control the mount via AP ASCOM V2 driver.

In this case, I am thinking in selling the keypad to fund other astronomical equipment. However, before doing this, may I ask to the community: Is there a case where I would need the keypad in the future?

I am fully mobile (so far) and just interested in astrophotography and as I said, I always use a computer to control the mount.

Thanks and clear skies,

Diego











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Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Roland Christen
 

What's to hate? I use it on all my mounts and I do a lot of imaging.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Kramer ronkramer1957@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?



sell it - I bought a mach1 without a kp. I've never missed it. (and love being rid if it) I hated using it on my last mount.  I do computer interface too- and click to go to and place solve. I don't even align at the start of the night as I'm already setup in a dome. I turn on power and click in my planetarium program and it goes there.  If I want to nudge it - I right click on the sub - click a new center spot and select "center" and it plate solves and makes the adjustment.  I'm usually in the house (remote) so the keypad won't reach this far anyway = ). 


On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Scott Dapson scott.dapson@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 
You can control your mount just like your keypad with a smartphone and SkySafari or Luminos. 


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On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, 2:55 PM, 'Mike Shade' mshade@q.com [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 
Also, if you own a reflecting scope that needs collimation adjustments or checks, keypad is very useful. Plus if for some odd reason, your computer dies, you can still use the mount to some extent.

Keep the keypad, like a spare tire you will likely never need it but if you do, you will be pissed if you don't have one...

Mike J. Shade: mshade@q.com

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west. Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east? Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

International Dark Sky Association: <http://www.darksky.org/> www.darksky.org

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:07 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Hello Dear Community,

I hope somebody here can help me to decide in how to proceed with the following:

I purchased a AP Mach1 CP4 at the beginning of 2016 which has worked flawless so far. At that time I also purchased the GTO Keypad however, I just used it once during the initial setup of the mount. Since then, I've used a computer to control the mount via AP ASCOM V2 driver.

In this case, I am thinking in selling the keypad to fund other astronomical equipment. However, before doing this, may I ask to the community: Is there a case where I would need the keypad in the future?

I am fully mobile (so far) and just interested in astrophotography and as I said, I always use a computer to control the mount.

Thanks and clear skies,

Diego







Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Worsel
 

Diego

I see little need for a keypad in a permanent installation. 

HOWEVER, for a mobile setup, you may find the KP easier to use for initial star alignment than a PC or tablet/phone app.  

Also, having the KP as a backup at a field site, in case of glitches in other equipment would be convenient.  

Bryan


Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

W Hilmo
 

I was out in the field using my AP1100 this past weekend.



I was imaging and had initialized the mount with the ASCOM driver. On the particular computer I was using, I didn’t have any planetarium software installed. My plan was to use the keypad for ad-hoc pointing tasks. When it came time that I wanted to point it, the keypad was unplugged (because the keypad was set to auto initialize and I wanted the computer to do it). It turned out that it was easier to just connect my phone to the CP4 and connect SkySafari. That gave me a graphical planetarium with the ability to point the mount.



I believe that it’s fully possible to live without the keypad if you have a smartphone with SkySafari or Luminos (but full disclosure: I am not planning on selling my keypad, so that that for what it’s worth).



-Wade



From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:15 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?





You can control your mount just like your keypad with a smartphone and SkySafari or Luminos.


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On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, 2:55 PM, 'Mike Shade' mshade@q.com [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:



Also, if you own a reflecting scope that needs collimation adjustments or checks, keypad is very useful. Plus if for some odd reason, your computer dies, you can still use the mount to some extent.

Keep the keypad, like a spare tire you will likely never need it but if you do, you will be pissed if you don't have one...

Mike J. Shade: mshade@q.com

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west. Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east? Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

International Dark Sky Association: <http://www.darksky.org/> www.darksky.org

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:07 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Hello Dear Community,

I hope somebody here can help me to decide in how to proceed with the following:

I purchased a AP Mach1 CP4 at the beginning of 2016 which has worked flawless so far. At that time I also purchased the GTO Keypad however, I just used it once during the initial setup of the mount. Since then, I've used a computer to control the mount via AP ASCOM V2 driver.

In this case, I am thinking in selling the keypad to fund other astronomical equipment. However, before doing this, may I ask to the community: Is there a case where I would need the keypad in the future?

I am fully mobile (so far) and just interested in astrophotography and as I said, I always use a computer to control the mount.

Thanks and clear skies,

Diego

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Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Ron Kramer
 

sell it - I bought a mach1 without a kp. I've never missed it. (and love being rid if it) I hated using it on my last mount.  I do computer interface too- and click to go to and place solve. I don't even align at the start of the night as I'm already setup in a dome. I turn on power and click in my planetarium program and it goes there.  If I want to nudge it - I right click on the sub - click a new center spot and select "center" and it plate solves and makes the adjustment.  I'm usually in the house (remote) so the keypad won't reach this far anyway = ). 


On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Scott Dapson scott.dapson@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

You can control your mount just like your keypad with a smartphone and SkySafari or Luminos. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad



On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, 2:55 PM, 'Mike Shade' mshade@q.com [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Also, if you own a reflecting scope that needs collimation adjustments or checks, keypad is very useful. Plus if for some odd reason, your computer dies, you can still use the mount to some extent.

Keep the keypad, like a spare tire you will likely never need it but if you do, you will be pissed if you don't have one...

Mike J. Shade: mshade@q.com

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west. Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east? Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

International Dark Sky Association: <http://www.darksky.org/> www.darksky.org

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:07 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Hello Dear Community,

I hope somebody here can help me to decide in how to proceed with the following:

I purchased a AP Mach1 CP4 at the beginning of 2016 which has worked flawless so far. At that time I also purchased the GTO Keypad however, I just used it once during the initial setup of the mount. Since then, I've used a computer to control the mount via AP ASCOM V2 driver.

In this case, I am thinking in selling the keypad to fund other astronomical equipment. However, before doing this, may I ask to the community: Is there a case where I would need the keypad in the future?

I am fully mobile (so far) and just interested in astrophotography and as I said, I always use a computer to control the mount.

Thanks and clear skies,

Diego

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Scott Dapson
 

You can control your mount just like your keypad with a smartphone and SkySafari or Luminos. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, 2:55 PM, 'Mike Shade' mshade@q.com [ap-gto] wrote:

 

Also, if you own a reflecting scope that needs collimation adjustments or checks, keypad is very useful. Plus if for some odd reason, your computer dies, you can still use the mount to some extent.

Keep the keypad, like a spare tire you will likely never need it but if you do, you will be pissed if you don't have one...

Mike J. Shade: mshade@q.com

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com

In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west. Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east? Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights

International Dark Sky Association: www.darksky.org

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:07 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Hello Dear Community,

I hope somebody here can help me to decide in how to proceed with the following:

I purchased a AP Mach1 CP4 at the beginning of 2016 which has worked flawless so far. At that time I also purchased the GTO Keypad however, I just used it once during the initial setup of the mount. Since then, I've used a computer to control the mount via AP ASCOM V2 driver.

In this case, I am thinking in selling the keypad to fund other astronomical equipment. However, before doing this, may I ask to the community: Is there a case where I would need the keypad in the future?

I am fully mobile (so far) and just interested in astrophotography and as I said, I always use a computer to control the mount.

Thanks and clear skies,

Diego




Re: AP Keypad, sell it or not?

Mike Shade
 

Also, if you own a reflecting scope that needs collimation adjustments or checks, keypad is very useful. Plus if for some odd reason, your computer dies, you can still use the mount to some extent.



Keep the keypad, like a spare tire you will likely never need it but if you do, you will be pissed if you don't have one...







Mike J. Shade: mshade@q.com

Mike J. Shade Photography:

mshadephotography.com



In War: Resolution

In Defeat: Defiance

In Victory: Magnanimity

In Peace: Goodwill

Sir Winston Churchill

Already, in the gathering dusk, a few of the stars are turning on their lights.

Vega, the brightest one, is now dropping towards the west. Can it be half

a year since I watched her April rising in the east? Low in the southwest

Antares blinks a sad farwell to fall...

Leslie Peltier, Starlight Nights



International Dark Sky Association: <http://www.darksky.org/> www.darksky.org



From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:07 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP Keypad, sell it or not?





Hello Dear Community,



I hope somebody here can help me to decide in how to proceed with the following:



I purchased a AP Mach1 CP4 at the beginning of 2016 which has worked flawless so far. At that time I also purchased the GTO Keypad however, I just used it once during the initial setup of the mount. Since then, I've used a computer to control the mount via AP ASCOM V2 driver.



In this case, I am thinking in selling the keypad to fund other astronomical equipment. However, before doing this, may I ask to the community: Is there a case where I would need the keypad in the future?



I am fully mobile (so far) and just interested in astrophotography and as I said, I always use a computer to control the mount.



Thanks and clear skies,

Diego







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Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens

Ray Gralak
 

I was hoping you were aware that you might not be able to use 5.10.xx if you are in Europe so your only other choice is apcc
1.5.0.20 and driver 5.09.xx. I sent you a private email explaining how to get those versions.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:39 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens



Thank you Ray,

I don't understand why I have to install the last version 5.10.02 because I'm leaving in Europe (France).
I respect your recommendation in installing the precedent version 5.09.09, main reason.

I confirm it is not working (same troubles) with two last versions (5.10.02 and 5.09.09).
I confirm I swapped "," and ".", initially.

What could I do, please ?

Rémy







Hi Remy,

The problem is that you are using a version of the ASCOM driver (v5.09.09) that is not recommended with the
version of APCC that you are using (v1.6.0...3).

You will need to upgrade your ASCOM driver to v5.10.02 or downgrade APCC to v1.5.0.20.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: http://www.ccdware..com <http://www.ccdware.com>
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:48 AM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: Re : RE: [ap-gto] Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens
>
>
>
> Hello Ray,what is your address?
>
> Thank you
>
> Rémy
> ----- Mail d'origine -----
> De: 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
> À: ap-gto@...
> Envoyé: Mon, 14 May 2018 17:06:00 +0200 (CEST)
> Objet: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens
>
> Hi Remy,
>
> Have you tried changing the Windows localization to USA format?
>
> Also, if you haven't already please send us in private email your log files zipped with the APCC Log Zipper
utility.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: http://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> Author of PulseGuide: http://www..pulseguide.com <http://www.pulseguide.com>
> Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 6:33 AM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Howard,
> >
> > after performing the procedure you told me, after uninstalling / reinstalling the soft ascom AP V2 ( and
some
> older
> > AP V2 Ascom versions ) and APCC , the same malfunction with the same symptoms: the indication of
DEC do
> not
> > vary and remain the same regardless of the values in RA and DEC.
> >
> >
> > The mount moves well on the selected target; the RA value on ascom window is good but the DEC value
> (ascom
> > AP V2) remains the same regardless of the selected DEC.......
> >
> > Help please, I don't understand what's going on.
> >
> > Rémy
> >
> > Le 8 mai 2018 à 20:20, howard@... [ap-gto] a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > First off, if I remember correctly from our remote session, you are not in the latest versions of either
APCC
> > or the driver. I would update to the latest as a first step
> > Second. I have seen similar things a few times before, but it is not common. Ray may want to clarify, but
if
> > I remember correctly, it is usually a timing issue that somehow gets out of hand. Here are a couple things
to try.
> >
> > 1. If you can set the cursor refresh rate in your various programs (As you can in TheSkyX), set it to a
> > slower rate. This will help reduce COMS clutter and keep the buffers clear.
> > 2. If this happens, click the disconnect button for the driver at the bottom of the APCC main page. Wait
> > about 2 seconds, and then reconnect. See if that clears the problem.
> > 3. If #2 doesn't work,
> >
> > 1. Disconnect the telescope in the problem software
> > 2. Disconnect the Driver in APCC
> > 3. Disconnect the mount in APCC
> > 4. Wait 5 seconds
> > 5. Reconnect APCC
> > 6. Reconnect the Driver
> > 7. Reconnect the client software
> >
> > Let me know if this helps.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>





Re : RE: RE: Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens

Chiri� R�my
 

Ray, how could I upgrade the APCC version 1.5.0.20 ? I don't find it on this page: http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc.
Thank you.
Rémy
----- Mail d'origine -----
De: 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
À: ap-gto@...
Envoyé: Tue, 15 May 2018 03:30:07 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: RE: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens

Hi Remy,

The problem is that you are using a version of the ASCOM driver (v5.09.09) that is not recommended with the version of APCC that you are using (v1.6.0..3).

You will need to upgrade your ASCOM driver to v5.10.02 or downgrade APCC to v1.5.0.20.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:48 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re : RE: [ap-gto] Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens



Hello Ray,what is your address?

Thank you

Rémy
----- Mail d'origine -----
De: 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups..com>
À: ap-gto@...
Envoyé: Mon, 14 May 2018 17:06:00 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens

Hi Remy,

Have you tried changing the Windows localization to USA format?

Also, if you haven't already please send us in private email your log files zipped with the APCC Log Zipper utility.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 6:33 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Differences in DEC Ascom and APCC screens



Hello Howard,

after performing the procedure you told me, after uninstalling / reinstalling the soft ascom AP V2 ( and some
older
AP V2 Ascom versions ) and APCC , the same malfunction with the same symptoms: the indication of DEC do
not
vary and remain the same regardless of the values in RA and DEC.


The mount moves well on the selected target; the RA value on ascom window is good but the DEC value
(ascom
AP V2) remains the same regardless of the selected DEC.......

Help please, I don't understand what's going on.

Rémy

Le 8 mai 2018 à 20:20, howard@... [ap-gto] a écrit :




First off, if I remember correctly from our remote session, you are not in the latest versions of either APCC
or the driver. I would update to the latest as a first step
Second. I have seen similar things a few times before, but it is not common. Ray may want to clarify, but if
I remember correctly, it is usually a timing issue that somehow gets out of hand. Here are a couple things to try.

1. If you can set the cursor refresh rate in your various programs (As you can in TheSkyX), set it to a
slower rate. This will help reduce COMS clutter and keep the buffers clear.
2. If this happens, click the disconnect button for the driver at the bottom of the APCC main page. Wait
about 2 seconds, and then reconnect. See if that clears the problem.
3. If #2 doesn't work,

1. Disconnect the telescope in the problem software
2. Disconnect the Driver in APCC
3. Disconnect the mount in APCC
4. Wait 5 seconds
5. Reconnect APCC
6. Reconnect the Driver
7. Reconnect the client software

Let me know if this helps.








Re: GTO Keypad

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Diego,
 
    I would NOT sell the Keypad, even if you almost never use it.
Fact is, odd things with the mount controller, and the Keypad provides you an alternate I/O device which can be used to test the controller and operation of the mount. A PC can really screw up, even a Win-10 Update can cause software to stop working suddenly. The keypad is independent of software, and is the most basic device to check out your mount.
 
    Also, there are times when using the PC to move the mount around,. like when re-greasing the gears can be messy possibly getting grease on the PC keyboard or mouse. Besides, I find it a heck of a lot easier to jog the mount a bit, when I want to move it for checking something. Using the PC is an enormous hassle in such cases.
 
    Besides, if you use the scope visually, it is far easier to jog the mount to center a star in an eyepiece than going back to the PC – jogging in the eyepiece FOV using a PC is impossible. Even if you use a tablet or a smartphone, you still need to look away from the eyepiece for that operation, Meanwhile, you can learn to feel the positions of the slew buttons on the keypad and jog the mount without moving your viewing through the eyepiece.
 
    The only other method would be using “voice commands” to a PC with voice recognition app, and train it for your voice, and AP CPx command set. as the way the old (no longer available) “Digital Sky Voice “software was used.
 
    Finally, there are mount tests, like a yellow/amber LED coming on, when the servo has a problem. The keypad is the best testing device.
 
    When everything else has been tried, this basic device, which doesn’t depend on PC hardware, or operating systems, is the easiest to test with, and the one whose results can be believed by tech support.
I think it would be foolish to sell the keypad.
 
Joe Z.