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Re: old driver

CAMMILLERI JEAN OLIVIER
 

Thaks you Ray for your answer, my trouble is growing because it is the first time I have this kind of problem, and  do not understand anything.

Can you tell me where is generaly locate the AP Driver log ?

 

best regards

JO

 

Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI

http://joastro.e-monsite.com

http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Message du 04/09/17 23:06
> De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]"
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> Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
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> HI Jean Oliver,
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> > the same stars not round with 10 sec bin1*1 and the polar alignment is about 5 arcsec
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> The version of the driver will not have any effect on tracking.
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> What we are looking to solve is the apparent regional settings issue with the new version of the driver. But, so far, I cannot reproduce the problem. It runs without errors on a VMWare instance with the regional settings
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> > The connexion with the PC is about a Serial cable on the RS232C at the top of the control panel Perhaps I
> > have to connect on the low RS232C ???????
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> No, don't switch to the lower port. That will likely make the connection worse.
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> > What can I try now ? of course there is no hardware problem no orange led on the panel mount wich is an
> > AP1200 GTO in GTOCP3 and no message send by the AP driver even I have too the yellow box because of
> > communication in the AP driver, but in my home I had too these messages without any consequence
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> Is there any chance you can get the log file and post it via a dropbox link like Claude has done?
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> Best regards,
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:56 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Cc: jlq; georges chassaigne
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver
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> > Hi, Ray
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> > I have all tested my config is this one
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> > Windows 7 64 bits in remote at Eye (Spain)
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> > I tried "," and "." in regional settings
> >
> > i try with the AP driver 5.09.09 and too with the 5.10.00, after every driver changes I restart my Computer
> >
> > the same stars not round with 10 sec bin1*1 and the polar alignment is about 5 arcsec
> >
> > What can I try now ? of course there is no hardware problem no orange led on the panel mount wich is an
> > AP1200 GTO in GTOCP3 and no message send by the AP driver even I have too the yellow box because of
> > communication in the AP driver, but in my home I had too these messages without any consequence
> >
> > The connexion with the PC is about a Serial cable on the RS232C at the top of the control panel Perhaps I
> > have to connect on the low RS232C ???????
> >
> > I use the Sky X with this process to connect Driver
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> > 1) telescope setup
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> > 2) Choose = Ascom Mount
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> > 3) Settings = AstroPhysics Driver V2
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> > 4) the dialog box driver AP open with the good settings (Location, sideral rate port com and so on)
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> > 5) connect telescop ( but the dialog box asking from wich park is not open but the settings are Unpark from
> > Last Park and Park to Park3)
> >
> > 6) the connexion does not fail it's ok but with a 10sec pose the stars are like that /
> >
> > Now I am lost as an astronot in the deep sky
> >
> > HOUSTON we have a problem!!!!
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> > Best regards
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> >
> > Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI
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> > http://joastro.e-monsite.com
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> > http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri
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> > > Message du 04/09/17 20:23
> > > De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]"
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> > > Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
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> > > Hi JO,
> > >
> > > > Ray, for astronomers I am not Doctor I am JO =)
> > >
> > > OK, thanks!
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> > > Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> > > Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 9:53 AM
> > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver
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> > > > Ray, for astronomers I am not Doctor I am JO =)
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> > > > Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI
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> > > > http://joastro.e-monsite.com
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> > > > http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri
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> > > > > Message du 04/09/17 15:58
> > > > > De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]"
> > > > > A : ap-gto@...
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> > > > > Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
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> > > > > Hi Dr. Cammilleri,
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> > > > > > I change "," for "." and I'll tell you this evening and night to see what
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks a lot and best regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, thank you. I would like to find out if the regional settings are causing a problem in the driver.
> > > > Yesterday I refactored all of the "suspect" ASCOM utility function calls that might return regionally
> > dependent
> > > > strings into locally defined private functions so that it will be easier to make global changes to the
> > regional
> > > > behavior (if needed).
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ray Gralak
> > > > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > > > Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> > > > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> > > > > Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> > > > > Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 6:41 AM
> > > > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver
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> > > > > > Ray,
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> > > > > > I change "," for "." and I'll tell you this evening and night to see what
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> > > > > > Thanks a lot and best regards
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://joastro.e-monsite.com
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> > > > > > http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri
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> > > > > > > Message du 04/09/17 03:30
> > > > > > > De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]"
> > > > > > > A : ap-gto@...
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> > > > > > > Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
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> > > > > > > > I don't know how to come back to the old diver ?
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> > > > > > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ap-gto/conversations/topics/56324
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> > > > > > > It looks like you are in France, so have you tried swapping the "." and "," in Windows
> > Regional
> > > > > > settings to see if that fixes the problem?
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> > > > > > > -Ray Gralak
> > > > > > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > > > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > > > > > Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> > > > > > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> > > > > > > Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> > > > > > > Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 2:45 PM
> > > > > > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > > > > > Subject: [ap-gto] old driver
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> > > > > > > > Hello all
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> > > > > > > > I explain you my problem.
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> > > > > > > > I have an AP 1200 GTO wich worked very well in my home with the AP V2 5.09.12, since
> > I am
> > > > in
> > > > > > remote at
> > > > > > > > the eye :http://entreencinasyestrellas.es/
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> > > > > > > > My Driver was changed(no by myself) for the new driver V2 5. 10.00 and it does not run
> > > > correctly.
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> > > > > > > > Before I used the Ascom Telescope Driver for the Sky X and then I choosed Astrphysics
> > > > driver.
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> > > > > > > > I don't know how to come back to the old diver ?
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> > > > > > > > I am lost can you help me?
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Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Bill Long
 

Zero chance, I live in the middle of nowhere.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:59 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Bill,
 
    In your case – any chance you are in an area where there is “continual” or even sporadic 2.4 GHZ band noise (restaurant’s microwave ovens, “cordless”  phones, etc. and other common noise sources operating near this frequency) ?
This is a common problem for all PC WiFi users.
 
    I had to hunt for the  lowest end of the “2.4xxxx GHZ”  11-frequency spots, on my Win-10 laptop and router setup,  to decrease the affect of the kitchen microwave oven on my home laptop (which I use as client,  to the telescope host laptop via TeamViewer). Shifting down to a “very slightly” different frequency, from this central one,  didn’t eliminate the problem, but at least it lengthens the time it took for Windows to crash its WiFi link -  from seconds, to nearly a minute – but didn’t eliminate  the problem. Now I make sure to have my snacks and coffee ready, before my remote login to the telescope :-)
 
    That was a real battle. Maybe you are in a similar position? Check your “observatory electronics” for anything else radiating out at 2.4 GHZ. Perhaps you have a “Dome Controller” also using 2.4 GHZ. Jogging the dome may be crashing your CP4 WiFi signal ? Or, are you losing your link FROM your local laptop to the remote CP4 – as I was operating near the kitchen microwave oven. You may be looking at the wrong ORIGIN of the 2.4 GHZ interference. May not be the CP4 or even muRATA’s fault in the first place.
            Just a W.A.G.on my part.
 
    That may explain how your CP4 might be getting “re-corrupted”  every time you reboot the CP4, even after HOURS of shutdown – while Chris’s  systems seems to settle right down --- but again, only for a while.
 
    Chris - Any chance that your three CP4’s are also getting hit by a microwave oven signal after a couple of days – perhaps just a coincidence,  or even some other device’s  “scheduled”  transmission or operation?
 
   Perhaps the CP4 WiFi module should have been one that operates at 5.4 GHZ, which isn’t susceptible to the “common” over-used public microware band, which many older devices use. Certainly, the CP4 may not need that 700 foot Range provided by 2.4 GHZ, in many astro user cases – even though the Range afforded at 2.4 GHZ is a nice to have.
 
    Maybe the muRata SN8205UFL WiFi module    isn’t the problem, but AP’s choice for that radio band may be.
I wouldn’t trust my mount to using Wifi (since, USB and RS-232 are wired and safer),  so I don’t know but
... Is there an option which band the CP4 uses?
 
Joe.


Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Joe Zeglinski
 

Bill,
 
    In your case – any chance you are in an area where there is “continual” or even sporadic 2.4 GHZ band noise (restaurant’s microwave ovens, “cordless”  phones, etc. and other common noise sources operating near this frequency) ?
This is a common problem for all PC WiFi users.
 
    I had to hunt for the  lowest end of the “2.4xxxx GHZ”  11-frequency spots, on my Win-10 laptop and router setup,  to decrease the affect of the kitchen microwave oven on my home laptop (which I use as client,  to the telescope host laptop via TeamViewer). Shifting down to a “very slightly” different frequency, from this central one,  didn’t eliminate the problem, but at least it lengthens the time it took for Windows to crash its WiFi link -  from seconds, to nearly a minute – but didn’t eliminate  the problem. Now I make sure to have my snacks and coffee ready, before my remote login to the telescope :-)
 
    That was a real battle. Maybe you are in a similar position? Check your “observatory electronics” for anything else radiating out at 2.4 GHZ. Perhaps you have a “Dome Controller” also using 2.4 GHZ. Jogging the dome may be crashing your CP4 WiFi signal ? Or, are you losing your link FROM your local laptop to the remote CP4 – as I was operating near the kitchen microwave oven. You may be looking at the wrong ORIGIN of the 2.4 GHZ interference. May not be the CP4 or even muRATA’s fault in the first place.
            Just a W.A.G.on my part.
 
    That may explain how your CP4 might be getting “re-corrupted”  every time you reboot the CP4, even after HOURS of shutdown – while Chris’s  systems seems to settle right down --- but again, only for a while.
 
    Chris - Any chance that your three CP4’s are also getting hit by a microwave oven signal after a couple of days – perhaps just a coincidence,  or even some other device’s  “scheduled”  transmission or operation?
 
   Perhaps the CP4 WiFi module should have been one that operates at 5.4 GHZ, which isn’t susceptible to the “common” over-used public microware band, which many older devices use. Certainly, the CP4 may not need that 700 foot Range provided by 2.4 GHZ, in many astro user cases – even though the Range afforded at 2.4 GHZ is a nice to have.
 
    Maybe the muRata SN8205UFL WiFi module    isn’t the problem, but AP’s choice for that radio band may be.
I wouldn’t trust my mount to using Wifi (since, USB and RS-232 are wired and safer),  so I don’t know but
... Is there an option which band the CP4 uses?
 
Joe.


Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Bill Long
 

A more robust answer would be months, although that would be misleading in the sense that the problem was only detected by me today. 




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 6:59 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Hours.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 6:43:06 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

My results were very consistent across three different CP4's.
 
How long did you have the power disconnected on your reboot tests?  I used 20 seconds.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
www.summitkinetics.com
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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:53 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

In this case though cold booting did nothing at all. It seems the configuration of the WiFi in HotSpot mode gets corrupted, and devices cannot bind to it. Disconnecting it, is likely (and I am only guessing here) blowing away the bad config, then allows the module to work as expected. 


Saved changes did nothing to aid in the working of the hotspot. Only deleting the config via a disconnection allowed the module to function again. 




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:16 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I wasn't involved in the design of the CP4 but I do know a fair amount about servo controllers, microcontrollers, embedded systems, WiFi and electronic components.
 
And I am not an AP spokesperson and nothing I say should be seen as an official statement from AP.
 
And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
 
With all of that in mind, here are my two cents on CP4 WiFi.
 
Extensive testing has brought me to the conclusion that the problem is definitely the muRata SN8205UFL WiFi module itself inside of the CP4.  Cold-booting the WiFi module restores it's functionality for about 24-72 hours.  The problem seems to be made worse in environments that have a lot of other 2.4Ghz signals present.  Unfortunately you have to cold-boot the whole CP4 in order to cold-boot the muRata module.
 
The WiFi module can also be reset by going into the CP4 web pages via Ethernet and making and saving changes to the WiFi configuration.
 
Developers have been expecting muRata to fix this problem with a new firmware release but so far no joy.
 
Until muRata fixes their firmware I would suggest that everyone avoid using the WiFi connection in permanent installations where the CP4 will be powered up for extended amounts of time.  None of the other CP4 connections are effected by the muRata problem.
 
I only use the CP4 WiFi connection for control from my Android smartphone or Android tablet when going mobile with one of my AP mounts.  At all other times I use Ethernet, RS-232 or USB.
 
Personally I would NEVER trust WiFi connections to be as reliable as wired connections in a remote observatory.  Even if the muRata WiFi module problems didn't exist.
 
The CP4 is a real-time "embedded system" (dedicated code) and is not running a generic (Linux, Windows, iOS) operating system and therefore is not hackable in the countless ways that generic operating systems are.
 
One temporary workaround in permanent observatories where WiFi is the connectivity option that must be used for some reason is the addition of a $195 Digital Loggers Web Power Switch that can remotely power-cycle the CP4 when needed, or on an automated daily schedule.  Not an ideal solution but definitely an effective one.
 
I hope this helps.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:24 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Update with a resolution:


Connect CP4 to wired network connection and power on.

Connect to CP4 via browser (I just checked my router to see what IP it got).

Attempt to join Wireless Network, join failed due to incorrect password (although I know it is correct).

Disconnect the CP4 from the GTOCP4_Net_XX connection in the browser interface under WiFi settings.

Reboot CP4

Connect to CP4 via browser again

Join wireless network, success.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

More details...


So the WiFi Utility AP has on their site is able to find the wireless network GTOCP4_Net_XX, but I cannot seem to connect to this network manually and it does not show up on my laptop, phone, or desktop machine as an available network. Seems similar to the problem Wayne is having.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!





On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto]

 


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
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> Hey Wayne,
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> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Bill Long
 

Hours.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 6:43:06 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

My results were very consistent across three different CP4's.
 
How long did you have the power disconnected on your reboot tests?  I used 20 seconds.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
 


From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:53 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

In this case though cold booting did nothing at all. It seems the configuration of the WiFi in HotSpot mode gets corrupted, and devices cannot bind to it. Disconnecting it, is likely (and I am only guessing here) blowing away the bad config, then allows the module to work as expected. 


Saved changes did nothing to aid in the working of the hotspot. Only deleting the config via a disconnection allowed the module to function again. 




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:16 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I wasn't involved in the design of the CP4 but I do know a fair amount about servo controllers, microcontrollers, embedded systems, WiFi and electronic components.
 
And I am not an AP spokesperson and nothing I say should be seen as an official statement from AP.
 
And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
 
With all of that in mind, here are my two cents on CP4 WiFi.
 
Extensive testing has brought me to the conclusion that the problem is definitely the muRata SN8205UFL WiFi module itself inside of the CP4.  Cold-booting the WiFi module restores it's functionality for about 24-72 hours.  The problem seems to be made worse in environments that have a lot of other 2.4Ghz signals present.  Unfortunately you have to cold-boot the whole CP4 in order to cold-boot the muRata module.
 
The WiFi module can also be reset by going into the CP4 web pages via Ethernet and making and saving changes to the WiFi configuration.
 
Developers have been expecting muRata to fix this problem with a new firmware release but so far no joy.
 
Until muRata fixes their firmware I would suggest that everyone avoid using the WiFi connection in permanent installations where the CP4 will be powered up for extended amounts of time.  None of the other CP4 connections are effected by the muRata problem.
 
I only use the CP4 WiFi connection for control from my Android smartphone or Android tablet when going mobile with one of my AP mounts.  At all other times I use Ethernet, RS-232 or USB.
 
Personally I would NEVER trust WiFi connections to be as reliable as wired connections in a remote observatory.  Even if the muRata WiFi module problems didn't exist.
 
The CP4 is a real-time "embedded system" (dedicated code) and is not running a generic (Linux, Windows, iOS) operating system and therefore is not hackable in the countless ways that generic operating systems are.
 
One temporary workaround in permanent observatories where WiFi is the connectivity option that must be used for some reason is the addition of a $195 Digital Loggers Web Power Switch that can remotely power-cycle the CP4 when needed, or on an automated daily schedule.  Not an ideal solution but definitely an effective one.
 
I hope this helps.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
www.summitkinetics.com
Sorry, your browser does not support frames. Please go to http://www.data-plumber.com/summitkinetics. Powered by Dyn WebHop URL Forwarding Engine. Dyn


 


From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:24 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Update with a resolution:


Connect CP4 to wired network connection and power on.

Connect to CP4 via browser (I just checked my router to see what IP it got).

Attempt to join Wireless Network, join failed due to incorrect password (although I know it is correct).

Disconnect the CP4 from the GTOCP4_Net_XX connection in the browser interface under WiFi settings.

Reboot CP4

Connect to CP4 via browser again

Join wireless network, success.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

More details...


So the WiFi Utility AP has on their site is able to find the wireless network GTOCP4_Net_XX, but I cannot seem to connect to this network manually and it does not show up on my laptop, phone, or desktop machine as an available network. Seems similar to the problem Wayne is having.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!





On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Wayne,
>
> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Christopher Erickson
 

My results were very consistent across three different CP4's.
 
How long did you have the power disconnected on your reboot tests?  I used 20 seconds.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
 



From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:53 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

In this case though cold booting did nothing at all. It seems the configuration of the WiFi in HotSpot mode gets corrupted, and devices cannot bind to it. Disconnecting it, is likely (and I am only guessing here) blowing away the bad config, then allows the module to work as expected. 


Saved changes did nothing to aid in the working of the hotspot. Only deleting the config via a disconnection allowed the module to function again. 




From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of 'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:16 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I wasn't involved in the design of the CP4 but I do know a fair amount about servo controllers, microcontrollers, embedded systems, WiFi and electronic components.
 
And I am not an AP spokesperson and nothing I say should be seen as an official statement from AP.
 
And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
 
With all of that in mind, here are my two cents on CP4 WiFi.
 
Extensive testing has brought me to the conclusion that the problem is definitely the muRata SN8205UFL WiFi module itself inside of the CP4.  Cold-booting the WiFi module restores it's functionality for about 24-72 hours.  The problem seems to be made worse in environments that have a lot of other 2.4Ghz signals present.  Unfortunately you have to cold-boot the whole CP4 in order to cold-boot the muRata module.
 
The WiFi module can also be reset by going into the CP4 web pages via Ethernet and making and saving changes to the WiFi configuration.
 
Developers have been expecting muRata to fix this problem with a new firmware release but so far no joy.
 
Until muRata fixes their firmware I would suggest that everyone avoid using the WiFi connection in permanent installations where the CP4 will be powered up for extended amounts of time.  None of the other CP4 connections are effected by the muRata problem.
 
I only use the CP4 WiFi connection for control from my Android smartphone or Android tablet when going mobile with one of my AP mounts.  At all other times I use Ethernet, RS-232 or USB.
 
Personally I would NEVER trust WiFi connections to be as reliable as wired connections in a remote observatory.  Even if the muRata WiFi module problems didn't exist.
 
The CP4 is a real-time "embedded system" (dedicated code) and is not running a generic (Linux, Windows, iOS) operating system and therefore is not hackable in the countless ways that generic operating systems are.
 
One temporary workaround in permanent observatories where WiFi is the connectivity option that must be used for some reason is the addition of a $195 Digital Loggers Web Power Switch that can remotely power-cycle the CP4 when needed, or on an automated daily schedule.  Not an ideal solution but definitely an effective one.
 
I hope this helps.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
www.summitkinetics.com
Sorry, your browser does not support frames. Please go to http://www.data-plumber.com/summitkinetics. Powered by Dyn WebHop URL Forwarding Engine. Dyn


 


From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:24 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Update with a resolution:


Connect CP4 to wired network connection and power on.

Connect to CP4 via browser (I just checked my router to see what IP it got).

Attempt to join Wireless Network, join failed due to incorrect password (although I know it is correct).

Disconnect the CP4 from the GTOCP4_Net_XX connection in the browser interface under WiFi settings.

Reboot CP4

Connect to CP4 via browser again

Join wireless network, success.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

More details...


So the WiFi Utility AP has on their site is able to find the wireless network GTOCP4_Net_XX, but I cannot seem to connect to this network manually and it does not show up on my laptop, phone, or desktop machine as an available network. Seems similar to the problem Wayne is having.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] >
>
>
> Hey Wayne,
>
> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Jon
 

Well, most of that is beyond me but, I do use the wi-fi with my Iphone to slew the mount sometimes as I don't have a hand controller. So far it connects up OK and the slew buttons work with skysafari pro. I do have a wired connection in my observatory but, I don't use it because I need the phone to be able to slew while I am right at the mount and either using the scope visually or using slews to do minor movements with my red dot finder.


On 9/4/2017 5:16 PM, 'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [ap-gto] wrote:

I wasn't involved in the design of the CP4 butI do know afair amountabout servo controllers, microcontrollers, embedded systems, WiFi and electronic components.
And I am not an AP spokesperson and nothing I say should be seen as an official statement from AP.
And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
With all of that in mind, hereare my two cents on CP4 WiFi.
Extensive testing has brought me to the conclusion that the problem is definitely the muRata SN8205UFL WiFi module itself inside of the CP4. Cold-booting the WiFi module restores it's functionality for about 24-72 hours. The problem seems to be made worse in environments that have a lot of other 2.4Ghz signals present. Unfortunately you have to cold-boot the whole CP4 in order to cold-boot the muRata module.
The WiFi module can also be reset by going into the CP4 web pages via Ethernet and making and saving changes to the WiFi configuration.
Developershave been expecting muRata to fix this problem with a new firmware release but so far no joy.
Until muRata fixes theirfirmware I would suggest that everyone avoid using the WiFi connection in permanent installations where the CP4 will be powered up for extended amounts of time. None of the other CP4 connections are effected by the muRata problem.
I only use the CP4 WiFi connection for control from my Android smartphoneor Android tablet when going mobile with one of my AP mounts. At all other times I use Ethernet, RS-232 or USB.
Personally I would NEVER trust WiFi connections to be as reliable as wired connections in a remote observatory.Even ifthe muRata WiFi module problems didn't exist.
The CP4 is a real-time "embedded system" (dedicated code) and is not runninga generic(Linux, Windows, iOS) operating system and therefore is not hackable in the countless ways that generic operating systems are.
One temporary workaround in permanent observatories where WiFi is the connectivity option that must be used for some reason is the addition of a $195 Digital Loggers Web Power Switch that can remotely power-cycle the CP4 when needed, or on an automateddaily schedule. Not an ideal solution but definitely an effective one.
I hope this helps.
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com


From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:24 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Update with a resolution:


Connect CP4 to wired network connection and power on.

Connect to CP4 via browser (I just checked my router to see what IP it got).

Attempt to join Wireless Network, join failed due to incorrect password (although I know it is correct).

Disconnect the CP4 from the GTOCP4_Net_XX connection in the browser interface under WiFi settings.

Reboot CP4

Connect to CP4 via browser again

Join wireless network, success.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

More details...


So the WiFi Utility AP has on their site is able to find the wireless network GTOCP4_Net_XX, but I cannot seem to connect to this network manuallyand it does not show up on my laptop, phone, or desktop machine as an available network. Seems similar to the problem Wayne is having.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm.


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!





On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto] wrote:


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Wayne,
>
> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Virus-free. www.avg.com



Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Bill Long
 

In this case though cold booting did nothing at all. It seems the configuration of the WiFi in HotSpot mode gets corrupted, and devices cannot bind to it. Disconnecting it, is likely (and I am only guessing here) blowing away the bad config, then allows the module to work as expected. 


Saved changes did nothing to aid in the working of the hotspot. Only deleting the config via a disconnection allowed the module to function again. 




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Christopher Erickson' christopher.k.erickson@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:16 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I wasn't involved in the design of the CP4 but I do know a fair amount about servo controllers, microcontrollers, embedded systems, WiFi and electronic components.
 
And I am not an AP spokesperson and nothing I say should be seen as an official statement from AP.
 
And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
 
With all of that in mind, here are my two cents on CP4 WiFi.
 
Extensive testing has brought me to the conclusion that the problem is definitely the muRata SN8205UFL WiFi module itself inside of the CP4.  Cold-booting the WiFi module restores it's functionality for about 24-72 hours.  The problem seems to be made worse in environments that have a lot of other 2.4Ghz signals present.  Unfortunately you have to cold-boot the whole CP4 in order to cold-boot the muRata module.
 
The WiFi module can also be reset by going into the CP4 web pages via Ethernet and making and saving changes to the WiFi configuration.
 
Developers have been expecting muRata to fix this problem with a new firmware release but so far no joy.
 
Until muRata fixes their firmware I would suggest that everyone avoid using the WiFi connection in permanent installations where the CP4 will be powered up for extended amounts of time.  None of the other CP4 connections are effected by the muRata problem.
 
I only use the CP4 WiFi connection for control from my Android smartphone or Android tablet when going mobile with one of my AP mounts.  At all other times I use Ethernet, RS-232 or USB.
 
Personally I would NEVER trust WiFi connections to be as reliable as wired connections in a remote observatory.  Even if the muRata WiFi module problems didn't exist.
 
The CP4 is a real-time "embedded system" (dedicated code) and is not running a generic (Linux, Windows, iOS) operating system and therefore is not hackable in the countless ways that generic operating systems are.
 
One temporary workaround in permanent observatories where WiFi is the connectivity option that must be used for some reason is the addition of a $195 Digital Loggers Web Power Switch that can remotely power-cycle the CP4 when needed, or on an automated daily schedule.  Not an ideal solution but definitely an effective one.
 
I hope this helps.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
www.summitkinetics.com
Sorry, your browser does not support frames. Please go to http://www.data-plumber.com/summitkinetics. Powered by Dyn WebHop URL Forwarding Engine. Dyn


 


From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:24 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Update with a resolution:


Connect CP4 to wired network connection and power on.

Connect to CP4 via browser (I just checked my router to see what IP it got).

Attempt to join Wireless Network, join failed due to incorrect password (although I know it is correct).

Disconnect the CP4 from the GTOCP4_Net_XX connection in the browser interface under WiFi settings.

Reboot CP4

Connect to CP4 via browser again

Join wireless network, success.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

More details...


So the WiFi Utility AP has on their site is able to find the wireless network GTOCP4_Net_XX, but I cannot seem to connect to this network manually and it does not show up on my laptop, phone, or desktop machine as an available network. Seems similar to the problem Wayne is having.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!





On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Wayne,
>
> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Christopher Erickson
 

I wasn't involved in the design of the CP4 but I do know a fair amount about servo controllers, microcontrollers, embedded systems, WiFi and electronic components.
 
And I am not an AP spokesperson and nothing I say should be seen as an official statement from AP.
 
And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
 
With all of that in mind, here are my two cents on CP4 WiFi.
 
Extensive testing has brought me to the conclusion that the problem is definitely the muRata SN8205UFL WiFi module itself inside of the CP4.  Cold-booting the WiFi module restores it's functionality for about 24-72 hours.  The problem seems to be made worse in environments that have a lot of other 2.4Ghz signals present.  Unfortunately you have to cold-boot the whole CP4 in order to cold-boot the muRata module.
 
The WiFi module can also be reset by going into the CP4 web pages via Ethernet and making and saving changes to the WiFi configuration.
 
Developers have been expecting muRata to fix this problem with a new firmware release but so far no joy.
 
Until muRata fixes their firmware I would suggest that everyone avoid using the WiFi connection in permanent installations where the CP4 will be powered up for extended amounts of time.  None of the other CP4 connections are effected by the muRata problem.
 
I only use the CP4 WiFi connection for control from my Android smartphone or Android tablet when going mobile with one of my AP mounts.  At all other times I use Ethernet, RS-232 or USB.
 
Personally I would NEVER trust WiFi connections to be as reliable as wired connections in a remote observatory.  Even if the muRata WiFi module problems didn't exist.
 
The CP4 is a real-time "embedded system" (dedicated code) and is not running a generic (Linux, Windows, iOS) operating system and therefore is not hackable in the countless ways that generic operating systems are.
 
One temporary workaround in permanent observatories where WiFi is the connectivity option that must be used for some reason is the addition of a $195 Digital Loggers Web Power Switch that can remotely power-cycle the CP4 when needed, or on an automated daily schedule.  Not an ideal solution but definitely an effective one.
 
I hope this helps.
 
 
-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
 



From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:24 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Update with a resolution:


Connect CP4 to wired network connection and power on.

Connect to CP4 via browser (I just checked my router to see what IP it got).

Attempt to join Wireless Network, join failed due to incorrect password (although I know it is correct).

Disconnect the CP4 from the GTOCP4_Net_XX connection in the browser interface under WiFi settings.

Reboot CP4

Connect to CP4 via browser again

Join wireless network, success.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

More details...


So the WiFi Utility AP has on their site is able to find the wireless network GTOCP4_Net_XX, but I cannot seem to connect to this network manually and it does not show up on my laptop, phone, or desktop machine as an available network. Seems similar to the problem Wayne is having.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Wayne,
>
> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Problem with regional settings

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Claude,

One more try before I have to move on to something else today. I am not sure why I can't reproduce the behavior you are seeing but there was one more function that might be causing this. Please try this version:

http://www.gralak.com/apdriver/AstroPhysics_V2_Setup_5.10.01a.exe

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:42 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Problem with regional settings



Hi Ray,

Yes, I have zipped the log file with the 5.10.01 driver and regional settings with comma.
I have included into the zip folder a screen capture.

you can download the zip here
https://www.dropbox.com/s/raldl7jmr1772t0/AscomZip-Claude_Roth-2017-09-04-223130.zip?dl=0


Best regards,
Claude



Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Bill Long
 

Update with a resolution:


Connect CP4 to wired network connection and power on.

Connect to CP4 via browser (I just checked my router to see what IP it got).

Attempt to join Wireless Network, join failed due to incorrect password (although I know it is correct).

Disconnect the CP4 from the GTOCP4_Net_XX connection in the browser interface under WiFi settings.

Reboot CP4

Connect to CP4 via browser again

Join wireless network, success.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

More details...


So the WiFi Utility AP has on their site is able to find the wireless network GTOCP4_Net_XX, but I cannot seem to connect to this network manually and it does not show up on my laptop, phone, or desktop machine as an available network. Seems similar to the problem Wayne is having.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!





On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Wayne,
>
> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Re: old driver

Ray Gralak
 

HI Jean Oliver,

the same stars not round with 10 sec bin1*1 and the polar alignment is about 5 arcsec
The version of the driver will not have any effect on tracking.

What we are looking to solve is the apparent regional settings issue with the new version of the driver. But, so far, I cannot reproduce the problem. It runs without errors on a VMWare instance with the regional settings

The connexion with the PC is about a Serial cable on the RS232C at the top of the control panel Perhaps I
have to connect on the low RS232C ???????
No, don't switch to the lower port. That will likely make the connection worse.

What can I try now ? of course there is no hardware problem no orange led on the panel mount wich is an
AP1200 GTO in GTOCP3 and no message send by the AP driver even I have too the yellow box because of
communication in the AP driver, but in my home I had too these messages without any consequence
Is there any chance you can get the log file and post it via a dropbox link like Claude has done?

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma


-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 1:56 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Cc: jlq; georges chassaigne
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver



Hi, Ray



I have all tested my config is this one

Windows 7 64 bits in remote at Eye (Spain)

I tried "," and "." in regional settings

i try with the AP driver 5.09.09 and too with the 5.10.00, after every driver changes I restart my Computer

the same stars not round with 10 sec bin1*1 and the polar alignment is about 5 arcsec

What can I try now ? of course there is no hardware problem no orange led on the panel mount wich is an
AP1200 GTO in GTOCP3 and no message send by the AP driver even I have too the yellow box because of
communication in the AP driver, but in my home I had too these messages without any consequence

The connexion with the PC is about a Serial cable on the RS232C at the top of the control panel Perhaps I
have to connect on the low RS232C ???????

I use the Sky X with this process to connect Driver



1) telescope setup

2) Choose = Ascom Mount

3) Settings = AstroPhysics Driver V2

4) the dialog box driver AP open with the good settings (Location, sideral rate port com and so on)

5) connect telescop ( but the dialog box asking from wich park is not open but the settings are Unpark from
Last Park and Park to Park3)

6) the connexion does not fail it's ok but with a 10sec pose the stars are like that /

Now I am lost as an astronot in the deep sky

HOUSTON we have a problem!!!!

Best regards





Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI

http://joastro.e-monsite.com

http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri













> Message du 04/09/17 20:23
> De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> A : ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> Copie à :
> Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
>
>

> Hi JO,
>
> > Ray, for astronomers I am not Doctor I am JO =)
>
> OK, thanks!
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 9:53 AM
> > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray, for astronomers I am not Doctor I am JO =)
> >
> >
> >
> > <https://webmail22.orange.fr/webmail/fr_FR/tinyMCE/plugins/emotions/img/fixe/complice.gif>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI
> >
> > http://joastro.e-monsite.com
> >
> > http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Message du 04/09/17 15:58
> > > De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> > > A : ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > > Copie à :
> > > Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > Hi Dr. Cammilleri,
> > >
> > > > I change "," for "." and I'll tell you this evening and night to see what
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot and best regards
> > >
> > > Ok, thank you. I would like to find out if the regional settings are causing a problem in the driver.
> > Yesterday I refactored all of the "suspect" ASCOM utility function calls that might return regionally
dependent
> > strings into locally defined private functions so that it will be easier to make global changes to the
regional
> > behavior (if needed).
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> > > Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> > > Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 6:41 AM
> > > > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ray,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I change "," for "." and I'll tell you this evening and night to see what
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot and best regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI
> > > >
> > > > http://joastro.e-monsite.com
> > > >
> > > > http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Message du 04/09/17 03:30
> > > > > De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > A : ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Copie à :
> > > > > Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > I don't know how to come back to the old diver ?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ap-gto/conversations/topics/56324
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like you are in France, so have you tried swapping the "." and "," in Windows
Regional
> > > > settings to see if that fixes the problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ray Gralak
> > > > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > > > Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> > > > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> > > > > Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> > > > > Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 2:45 PM
> > > > > > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: [ap-gto] old driver
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I explain you my problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an AP 1200 GTO wich worked very well in my home with the AP V2 5.09.12, since
I am
> > in
> > > > remote at
> > > > > > the eye :http://entreencinasyestrellas.es/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My Driver was changed(no by myself) for the new driver V2 5. 10.00 and it does not run
> > correctly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before I used the Ascom Telescope Driver for the Sky X and then I choosed Astrphysics
> > driver.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know how to come back to the old diver ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am lost can you help me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Re: old driver

CAMMILLERI JEAN OLIVIER
 

Hi, Ray

I have all tested my config is this one

Windows 7 64 bits in remote at Eye (Spain)

I tried "," and "." in regional settings

i try with the AP driver 5.09.09 and too with the 5.10.00, after  every driver changes I restart my Computer

the same stars not round with 10 sec bin1*1 and the polar alignment is about 5 arcsec 

What can I try now ? of course there is no hardware problem  no orange led on the panel mount wich is an AP1200 GTO in GTOCP3 and no message send by the AP driver even I have too the yellow box because of communication  in the AP driver, but in my home I had too these messages without any consequence 

The connexion with the PC is about a Serial cable on the RS232C at the top of the control panel Perhaps I have to connect on the low RS232C ???????

I use the Sky X with this process to connect Driver

 

1) telescope setup 

2) Choose = Ascom Mount

3) Settings = AstroPhysics Driver V2 

4) the dialog box driver AP open with the good settings (Location, sideral rate port com and so on)

5) connect telescop ( but the dialog box asking from wich park is not open but the settings are  Unpark from Last Park and Park to Park3)

6) the connexion does not fail it's ok but with a 10sec pose the stars are like that /

Now I am lost as an astronot in the deep sky

   HOUSTON we have a problem!!!!

Best regards 

 

 

Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI

http://joastro.e-monsite.com

http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Message du 04/09/17 20:23
> De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]"
> A : ap-gto@...
> Copie à :
> Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
>
>  

> Hi JO,
>
> > Ray, for astronomers I am not Doctor I am JO =)
>
> OK, thanks!
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 9:53 AM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray, for astronomers I am not Doctor I am JO =)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI
> >
> > http://joastro.e-monsite.com
> >
> > http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Message du 04/09/17 15:58
> > > De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]"
> > > A : ap-gto@...
> > > Copie à :
> > > Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > Hi Dr. Cammilleri,
> > >
> > > > I change "," for "." and I'll tell you this evening and night to see what
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot and best regards
> > >
> > > Ok, thank you. I would like to find out if the regional settings are causing a problem in the driver.
> > Yesterday I refactored all of the "suspect" ASCOM utility function calls that might return regionally dependent
> > strings into locally defined private functions so that it will be easier to make global changes to the regional
> > behavior (if needed).
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> > > Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> > > Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 6:41 AM
> > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ray,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I change "," for "." and I'll tell you this evening and night to see what
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot and best regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI
> > > >
> > > > http://joastro.e-monsite.com
> > > >
> > > > http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Message du 04/09/17 03:30
> > > > > De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]"
> > > > > A : ap-gto@...
> > > > > Copie à :
> > > > > Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > I don't know how to come back to the old diver ?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ap-gto/conversations/topics/56324
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like you are in France, so have you tried swapping the "." and "," in Windows Regional
> > > > settings to see if that fixes the problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ray Gralak
> > > > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > > > Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> > > > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> > > > > Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> > > > > Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 2:45 PM
> > > > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > > > Subject: [ap-gto] old driver
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I explain you my problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an AP 1200 GTO wich worked very well in my home with the AP V2 5.09.12, since I am
> > in
> > > > remote at
> > > > > > the eye :http://entreencinasyestrellas.es/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My Driver was changed(no by myself) for the new driver V2 5. 10.00 and it does not run
> > correctly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before I used the Ascom Telescope Driver for the Sky X and then I choosed Astrphysics
> > driver.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know how to come back to the old diver ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am lost can you help me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Bill Long
 

More details...


So the WiFi Utility AP has on their site is able to find the wireless network GTOCP4_Net_XX, but I cannot seem to connect to this network manually and it does not show up on my laptop, phone, or desktop machine as an available network. Seems similar to the problem Wayne is having.




From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!





On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Wayne,
>
> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Re: Problem with regional settings

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Claude,

I just ran some more tests with 5.10.01 on a system that definitely has the decimal point and comma swapped, like what I think you are using in France. I'm not seeing any errors so far.

If you hadn't rebooted your computer after making the regional settings change, please try that. Doing so will ensure that all of the applications in your computer are in sync with the new settings.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:12 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Problem with regional settings



Hi Ray

I have installed the new driver 5.10.01 (I have Ascom platform 6.3) and sorry but it does not work, there are
the same errors as with driver 5.10.00 and 5.09.09
but It works whene I change the regional settings.

Best regards,
Claude




Re: Problem with regional settings

Claude Roth
 

Hi Ray,

Yes, I have zipped the log file with the 5.10.01 driver and regional settings with comma.
I have included into the zip folder a screen capture.

you can download the zip here 

Best regards,
Claude


Re: Problem with regional settings

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Claude,

Ok, if you get a chance please zip the log file so I can try to find what I missed.

Thanks,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 12:12 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Problem with regional settings



Hi Ray

I have installed the new driver 5.10.01 (I have Ascom platform 6.3) and sorry but it does not work, there are
the same errors as with driver 5.10.00 and 5.09.09
but It works whene I change the regional settings.

Best regards,
Claude




Re: GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!

Bill Long
 

Interesting.


I have not used WiFi in awhile, and I just went to set mine up to test and neither the built in WiFi network is available and the device is not connecting to my network at all... Hmm. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Wayne Hixson wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:16 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GTOCP4 WiFi Driving Me Crazy!
 
 

I knew about the special character limitation from talking with Howard some time ago and I fixed that. So that's not the issue now. They've been talking about a firmware update that may fix things, hope its soon!





On Monday, September 4, 2017, 12:19 AM, Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto]

 


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Wayne,
>
> I have seen this issue and it only occurred when the WiFi password used $#@%^@^%#@$ style characters. Change the WiFi password to something silly to test (like WayneIsTheBestImager) and see if you can connect.

If this is truly a bug, I have to wonder what other aspects of the CP4 firmware has issues. Really there should be no "special" characters when it comes to passwords. The concept shouldn't even exist. Have you reported this to AP as a bug?

Semi-off topic rant:

It's all too often these days that hardware vendors jump to putting full-featured embedded OSes on their hardware and have no clue how to maintain the OS itself, and/or the application stack that runs their stuff on it. In the worst examples, we have IP cameras that have a plethora of open services and a badly-coded app stack running on them which then become soldiers in someone's DDoS zombie army. "But it's behind a home NAT/firewall!" is not an excuse for shirking on this responsibility, but hardware vendors tend to still think they're /just/ hardware vendors and continue to not seriously take the fact that they have what is really a full-fledged, network-attached computer inside their product, opting to instead hope that the customer makes up for this security inattentiveness by employing surrogate, external (and often insufficient) methods.

I love Astro-Physics, and fully appreciate the blood sweat and tears Roland, Marge, and the rest of the team have put into the company over many successful years. But A-P isn't in the business of maintaining an embedded OS and managing the complexities of one in this day and age because do it right takes at least a small team of knowledgable people. As far as I'm concerned, the embedded OS inside the CP4 and other black-box products like it amounts to lunch counter mystery meat from a security POV, and I wouldn't want it to be compromised or to act as a vector into the rest of my network. Rather than complaining, I would love to help A-P on this in the interest of helping to make their CP4 OS a robust and trustworthy citizen of the network, but things seem frustratingly opaque regarding this.

/dale


Re: Problem with regional settings

Claude Roth
 

Hi Ray

I have installed the new driver 5.10.01 (I have Ascom platform 6.3) and sorry but it does not work, there are the same errors as with driver 5.10.00 and 5.09.09
but It works whene I change the regional settings.

Best regards,
Claude

 


Re: old driver

Ray Gralak
 

Hi JO,

Ray, for astronomers I am not Doctor I am JO =)
OK, thanks!

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma


-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 9:53 AM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver



Ray, for astronomers I am not Doctor I am JO =)



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Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI

http://joastro.e-monsite.com

http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri













> Message du 04/09/17 15:58
> De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> A : ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> Copie à :
> Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
>
>

> Hi Dr. Cammilleri,
>
> > I change "," for "." and I'll tell you this evening and night to see what
> >
> > Thanks a lot and best regards
>
> Ok, thank you. I would like to find out if the regional settings are causing a problem in the driver.
Yesterday I refactored all of the "suspect" ASCOM utility function calls that might return regionally dependent
strings into locally defined private functions so that it will be easier to make global changes to the regional
behavior (if needed).
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 6:41 AM
> > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> >
> >
> > I change "," for "." and I'll tell you this evening and night to see what
> >
> > Thanks a lot and best regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr Jean Olivier CAMMILLERI
> >
> > http://joastro.e-monsite.com
> >
> > http://astrosurf.com/jocammilleri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Message du 04/09/17 03:30
> > > De : "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> > > A : ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > > Copie à :
> > > Objet : RE: [ap-gto] old driver
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > I don't know how to come back to the old diver ?
> > >
> > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ap-gto/conversations/topics/56324
> > >
> > > It looks like you are in France, so have you tried swapping the "." and "," in Windows Regional
> > settings to see if that fixes the problem?
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
> > > Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
> > > Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 2:45 PM
> > > > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] old driver
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I explain you my problem.
> > > >
> > > > I have an AP 1200 GTO wich worked very well in my home with the AP V2 5.09.12, since I am
in
> > remote at
> > > > the eye :http://entreencinasyestrellas.es/
> > > >
> > > > My Driver was changed(no by myself) for the new driver V2 5. 10.00 and it does not run
correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Before I used the Ascom Telescope Driver for the Sky X and then I choosed Astrphysics
driver.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how to come back to the old diver ?
> > > >
> > > > I am lost can you help me?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>