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Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 
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I have tried with NINA and with Sequence Generator pro. Those are the only two that I have but If there is another client that I should try I can probably download its trial version and see if I observe the same behavior.
Which client do you recommend?

If it is of any help, I have an AP900 GTOCP3 with the V chip that behaves exactly the same. I also have the 1100 GTOCP4 but I have not tested this with that mount yet.

Added question: I have the S chip that my Mach1 came with. Should I try swapping out the chip and see if that changes anything? I believe I won't have to retrain the PEM when I reinstall the V chip, correct?


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray Gralak
 

Andy,

As I said, the commands to the mount looked good in your log, so it's not clear why the mount is moving so slowly.

Which client application are you using? Maybe I can replicate this.

-Ray

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Ermolli
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 9:19 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Here is the link!
https://youtu.be/9hRNe1jq5m4


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 

Here is the link!
https://youtu.be/9hRNe1jq5m4


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 

Oh yes I can do that. I also was able to attach the video to my last reply but I will put it on YouTube.


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 

So I timed the time that the mount took from park 3 to dec zero. I had the move rate set in the client software set at 4 degrees per second. The dec axis took about 3 minutes and 45 seconds to reach declination zero. I was able to upload a video! I reduced it to e 480P to keep the file size manageable.
I hope this is helpful!


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Christopher Erickson
 

Use Youtube and share the link.

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Summit Kinetics
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On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 5:39 PM Andy Ermolli <andyc67@...> wrote:
Yep I was standing by the mount. I wonder if I can upload a video on here? 


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 

Yep I was standing by the mount. I wonder if I can upload a video on here? 


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray Gralak
 

Andy,

The commands to the mount look okay to me. I can't explain why the Dec axis wasn't moving. Did you say you actually were physically at the mount to see movement? The dec axis would take 90 seconds from Park 3 to the celestial equator at one degree per second. It may not seem very fast.

All commands to start and stop the mount movement were issued by the client application, not the AP V2 driver. In some cases you did not wait very long before releasing so the mount didn't have time to ramp up speed. Also, since the driver polls the mount at 1-second intervals the position can be delayed by up to one second.

-Ray

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Ermolli
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 4:13 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Sorry I did not have logging enabled. It's the first time that I do this.
I enabled logging and created a new .zip file, attached.

Regarding the move axis, I push the buttons in the client software, not in the driver window.
You are correct. I was pushing north and south with the mount in park 3 position. I then moved the mount east and
south and the nudge arrows were working as expected.

Regarding the duration of the nudge command. It works fine, I saw the driver change from custom rate to sidereal
but the dec axis was actually moving sorry for reporting that incorrectly.

It seems that the direction buttons work as expected but the movement speed is much lower than what the driver
is showing in the custom rate windows.


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ken Sablinsky
 

I can't speak for the software or drivers, but one thing you said rang a bell -- about it being in the Park 3 position when you are trying this.... have you tried this test looking at a star field far away from Park 3?  If you are pointing at Polaris, East/West movements looks much slower while watching the star field because it's like 100% rotation instead of moving straight across the field.  That wouldn't explain North/South slow speeds though so perhaps this doesn't help.
-Ken


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 

Sorry I did not have logging enabled. It's the first time that I do this.
I enabled logging and created a new .zip file, attached.

Regarding the move axis, I push the buttons in the client software, not in the driver window.
You are correct. I was pushing north and south with the mount in park 3 position. I then moved the mount east and south and the nudge arrows were working as expected. 

Regarding the duration of the nudge command. It works fine, I saw the driver change from custom rate to sidereal but the dec axis was actually moving sorry for reporting that incorrectly.

It seems that the direction buttons work as expected but the movement speed is much lower than what the driver is showing in the custom rate windows.


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray Gralak
 

Here is the log, I hope that I did this correctly. I never used the log zipper before.
There are no logs in your zip file. Do you have logging enabled?

-Ray

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Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray, I have new information. I set the slew rate to 4 degrees/second. The Driver showed a move rate of 937.3870.
I pushed the north button for a few seconds in the image capture software and I could see the dec axis move. I
would say it was moving a bit faster than 64x, maybe 100x. So it's doing something.

Another curious behavior that I noticed is that even if I kept the north button clicked, the driver would stop the dec
motion after a few seconds.
Here is the log, I hope that I did this correctly. I never used the log zipper before.

Thank you!


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray Gralak
 

Andy,

Where are you pressing the button? In the driver or a third-party application? The driver just issues the commands given to it by the client application. Note that if the scope passed through the Celestial pole (Dec = 90) the Dec direction will appear to change.

-Ray

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Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 3:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

One more observation: If I push north, the mount moves north. Then I release the north button and it push it again,
the mount now moves south but the numbers in the driver are the same and they don't change to a negative value
as one would expect to reverse the motion (south in this case).


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray Gralak
 

Andy,

Another curious behavior that I noticed is that even if I kept the north button clicked, the driver would stop the dec
motion after a few seconds.
The driver just sends a rate command to the mount. The driver doesn't issue a stop after a period of time. That may be the ASCOM client doing that, or maybe the mount hit a limit.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Ermolli
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 3:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray, I have new information. I set the slew rate to 4 degrees/second. The Driver showed a move rate of 937.3870.
I pushed the north button for a few seconds in the image capture software and I could see the dec axis move. I
would say it was moving a bit faster than 64x, maybe 100x. So it's doing something.

Another curious behavior that I noticed is that even if I kept the north button clicked, the driver would stop the dec
motion after a few seconds.
Here is the log, I hope that I did this correctly. I never used the log zipper before.

Thank you!


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 

One more observation: If I push north, the mount moves north. Then I release the north button and it push it again, the mount now moves south but the numbers in the driver are the same and they don't change to a negative value as one would expect to reverse the motion (south in this case).


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 

Ray, I have new information. I set the slew rate to 4 degrees/second. The Driver showed a move rate of 937.3870. I pushed the north button for a few seconds in the image capture software and I could see the dec axis move. I would say it was moving a bit faster than 64x, maybe 100x. So it's doing something. 

Another curious behavior that I noticed is that even if I kept the north button clicked, the driver would stop the dec motion after a few seconds.
Here is the log, I hope that I did this correctly. I never used the log zipper before.

Thank you!


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray Gralak
 

BTW, it can take 3-5 seconds for the mount to spin up to full speed, so the RA/Dec changes will appear slower until the target rate is reached.

-Ray

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Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Thank you Ray, I tried 1,2, 3 and 4 degrees with both programs and the same thing happens. I see the numbers
change in the driver window but the mount always moves at sidereal rate.

Could it be that the firmware of the mount does not allow any move axis over sidereal speed?


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Ray Gralak
 

Could it be that the firmware of the mount does not allow any move axis over sidereal speed?
No... Andy, are you physically in front of the mount to verify this?

If so, and you are sure that's what happening, please run the AP V2 Log Zipper utility (it's included with the A-P driver) and zip up the most recent logs and post them here.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Ermolli
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:17 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Thank you Ray, I tried 1,2, 3 and 4 degrees with both programs and the same thing happens. I see the numbers
change in the driver window but the mount always moves at sidereal rate.

Could it be that the firmware of the mount does not allow any move axis over sidereal speed?


Re: AP V2 driver, move axis command help.

Andy Ermolli
 

Thank you Ray, I tried 1,2, 3 and 4 degrees with both programs and the same thing happens. I see the numbers change in the driver window but the mount always moves at sidereal rate. 

Could it be that the firmware of the mount does not allow any move axis over sidereal speed?


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Tom Blahovici
 

I have used a Silex USB to ethernet server in the past for this purpose. I used a USB to serial adapter to connect to the mount.
The silex seems to be fine for this purpose.  It would even allow my STL11000 to be used over ethernet once the firmware is loaded into the camera with a direct USB connection.
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Cheng-Yang Tan
 

I think I'll have to get my friends to help with this. They are a lot more knowledgeable how to do hands on stuff than I do.

cytan

On Sunday, August 15, 2021, 02:53:11 PM CDT, ap@... <ap@...> wrote:


 

  • Tried freezing and boiling water, but I can't get it off. The problem is that I don't have the right tools to do this.

 

Do you have two strap wrenches?

 

I’d start with those.   Or if you have soft grips on a vice even better for the shaft (not the threads), but that’s less common to have sitting around.  Strap wrenches you can buy at any home improvement store, and are pretty safe (well, don’t slip and drop the bar on your toe, but unlike metal wrenches you won’t mar up the bar with a strap wrench).

 

The problem with heat/cold is that I think both are stainless and probably change together, though it may be worth while freezing all of it really cold, then having boiling water standing by and dunk just the end into the boiling water and very quickly afterwards try turning with the strap wrench.  The idea being to expand just the adapter end.  

 

But frankly I suspect temperature is not going to help, as heat conducts very quickly in steel.

 

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