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Re: Meridian Flip Function

Worsel
 

Thanks, Ray!

I do not even have a keypad, so that's not a problem for me!

Bryan


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Hi Bryan,

That's up to A-P. I think there were safety concerns with putting it in the driver, and probably the keypad too. BTW, I have no involvement with the keypad software so there is nothing I can do about that!

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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> Ray
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> Just a thought. Can a flip button be put in the AP driver or are there coding / mechanical / other reasons why this
> is not feasible?
>
> There is already a Meridian Delay section in the driver.
>
> Appreciate your insight.
>
> Bryan
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Re: Meridian Flip Function

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Bryan,

That's up to A-P. I think there were safety concerns with putting it in the driver, and probably the keypad too. BTW, I have no involvement with the keypad software so there is nothing I can do about that!

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

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Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Meridian Flip Function



Ray

Just a thought. Can a flip button be put in the AP driver or are there coding / mechanical / other reasons why this
is not feasible?

There is already a Meridian Delay section in the driver.

Appreciate your insight.

Bryan







Yes there is a dedicated Pier Flip button on APCC's main window. If you give George or Howard a call at AP
maybe they can set you up with another trial.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver



>


Re: Meridian Flip Function

Worsel
 

Ray

Just a thought. Can a flip button be put in the AP driver or are there coding / mechanical / other reasons why this is not feasible?

There is already a Meridian Delay section in the driver.

Appreciate your insight.

Bryan



Yes there is a dedicated Pier Flip button on APCC's main window. If you give George or Howard a call at AP maybe they can set you up with another trial.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

>


Re: Meridian Flip Function

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Ray,

Anyway, moving on my friend. I am using driver version in TSX 1.10 and firmware V. Handcontroller software is
V4.17. Can you confirm that this would work on APCC which will give me a simple merdian flip button that I can
simply press to flip the mount please? I can't download the demo because my trial period has ended. Thanks so
much, I appreciate all your help so far.
Yes there is a dedicated Pier Flip button on APCC's main window. If you give George or Howard a call at AP maybe they can set you up with another trial.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Meridian Flip Function



Hi Ray,

I used the Losmandy for years. It comes with a Merdian flip feature built into the handcontroller. It did not require
any software or fiddly settings to change or any waiting for the mount to eventually hit fake meridian limits in order
to trick the mount. It was a feature built inside the hand controller that you simply navigated to and then selected
and the scope would flip immediately and easily.

Ap's engineering awesome. But I want to leave the meridian flip settings where they are (that's where I need
them). My meridian flips (as outlined in this thread) clearly show that the flips I need to do are during setup for a
myriad of reasons. It is so cumbersome and time consuming to say "go into merdian flip settings, change them,
wait for the mount to hit those fake limits, then change back to the real limits, etc." I might need to flip twice in a
night to setup each s hot, but I certainly don't want to change where the meridian flip setttings are. Very important
to remember for this thread, there are two types of meridian flip requirements. Either during setup (which is what I
need) or during an imaging run. Both are completely different and should have their own function to execute.

Anyway, moving on my friend. I am using driver version in TSX 1.10 and firmware V. Handcontroller software is
V4.17. Can you confirm that this would work on APCC which will give me a simple merdian flip button that I can
simply press to flip the mount please? I can't download the demo because my trial period has ended. Thanks so
much, I appreciate all your help so far.

Thanks

Ray


Re: Meridian Flip Function

raypalmer77
 

Hi Ray, 

I used the Losmandy for years. It comes with a Merdian flip feature built into the handcontroller. It did not require any software or fiddly settings to change or any waiting for the mount to eventually hit fake meridian limits in order to trick the mount. It was a feature built inside the hand controller that you simply navigated to and then selected and the scope would flip immediately and easily. 

Ap's engineering awesome. But I want to leave the meridian flip settings where they are (that's where I need them). My meridian flips (as outlined in this thread) clearly show that the flips I need to do are during setup for a myriad of reasons. It is so cumbersome and time consuming to say "go into merdian flip settings, change them, wait for the mount to hit those fake limits, then change back to the real limits, etc." I might need to flip twice in a night to setup each shot, but I certainly don't want to change where the meridian flip setttings are. Very important to remember for this thread, there are two types of  meridian flip requirements. Either during setup (which is what I need) or during an imaging run. Both are completely different and should have their own function to execute.   

Anyway, moving on my friend. I am using driver version in TSX 1.10 and firmware  V.  Handcontroller software is V4.17.  Can you confirm that this would work on APCC which will give me a simple merdian flip button that I can simply press to flip the mount please? I can't download the demo because my trial period has ended. Thanks so much, I appreciate all your help so far.

Thanks

Ray


Re: Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider

Ray Gralak
 

Oops I spoke too soon. Things still not working. Telescope definitely connected in MaximDL, Autoguider output set
to Telescope. Take an image, then click Calibrate. Calibration movement set to 10 seconds. It takes an image,
says "Moving Telescope" then IMMEDIATELY (less than a second) it takes the second image, then repeats for
3rd and 4th image, all done in less than 10 seconds. Telescope doesn't actually move and the Guide star moved
less than 5 pixels message
Make sure the mount is unparked and tracking otherwise MaximDL will report that error. I just tried this with MaximDL 6.18. If the mount is parked then you will get the error message you mention when calibrating. After unparking the mount the error goes away.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider



Oops I spoke too soon. Things still not working. Telescope definitely connected in MaximDL, Autoguider output set
to Telescope. Take an image, then click Calibrate. Calibration movement set to 10 seconds. It takes an image,
says "Moving Telescope" then IMMEDIATELY (less than a second) it takes the second image, then repeats for
3rd and 4th image, all done in less than 10 seconds. Telescope doesn't actually move and the Guide star moved
less than 5 pixels message


Re: Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider

Wayne Hixson
 

Oops I spoke too soon. Things still not working. Telescope definitely connected in MaximDL, Autoguider output set to Telescope. Take an image, then click Calibrate. Calibration movement set to 10 seconds. It takes an image, says "Moving Telescope" then IMMEDIATELY (less than a second) it takes the second image, then repeats for 3rd and 4th image, all done in less than 10 seconds. Telescope doesn't actually move and the Guide star moved less than 5 pixels message


Re: Question on APCC

Roland Christen
 

The pointing model will improve your pointing precision. The tracking will also improve over the sky because a pointing model compensates for various issues such as atmospheric refraction, polar misalignment and many other sources of tracking error. This assumes that you have a good periodic error correction curve and have PEM turned on to eliminate the basic PE of the mount. With modeling you may be able to do 10 - 20 min unguided imaging with short to medium focal lengths.

Rolando



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From: glutch@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Sun, Mar 10, 2019 1:04 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Question on APCC



I am contemplating getting APCC Pro version with my mount and wondered if someone could talk about how the tracking of the mount is enhanced by the modelling and realistically what I should expect when using it and doing imaging work work.  I am looking at using it with a Mach1 GTO and GTOCP4.

George C. Lutch




Re: Daylight saving time

Roland Christen
 

No change is needed unless you want to use your keypad as a watch so you can tell time for yourself. The keypad sends the same exact time to the mount whether it is initially set to Winter time (which is real time) or summer time + daylight savings (which is fake time). I leave my keypad always set to real time (winter time with daylight savings at zero). Therefore I don't use the keypad as my personal watch - I have other devices that tell me what time it is.

I hope this is not confusing, but basically the keypad sends the same time to the mount for initialization purposes whether it is set to real time (winter) or fake time + daylight savings offset (summer).

Rolando



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From: Geoffrey Cook geoffrey.cook@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto
Sent: Sun, Mar 10, 2019 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Daylight saving time



If you are currently a Keypad-only visual observer, you do need to enter a change though, right?




On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 12:55 PM, chris1011@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 
You really don't need to do anything to the keypad, it will work fine and not interfere with your other programs.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dodd mike@... [ap-gto] To: ap-gto
Sent: Sat, Mar 9, 2019 8:55 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Daylight saving time

I think I have this right, but I'd like to check to be sure so I don't
screw up something.

I have an AP1200 with these numbers:
Keypad: 1975GTO 1106
Mount: CP3 0374

I connect the mount to ACP using the ASCOM driver 5.20.09. The keypad is
connected, but rarely used (I know I could disconnect it for normal
operation with ACP).

Am I correct that I don't need to do anything special after the Daylight
Saving Time change? The next time I connect the mount, will the ASCOM
driver send the correct DST state to it, and will the keypad then be
updated with that information?

Thanks.

--
Mike

Mike Dodd
Louisa County, Virginia USA
http://astronomy.mdodd.com


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Re: Question on APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi George,

I am contemplating getting APCC Pro version with my mount and wondered if someone could talk about how the
tracking of the mount is enhanced by the modelling and realistically what I should expect when using it and doing
imaging work work. I am looking at using it with a Mach1 GTO and GTOCP4.
There is no one answer for this. It depends on many attributes of your entire setup.

You can request a trial from A-P so that you can check out if it is worth it to you before deciding on a purchase.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 11:03 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Question on APCC



I am contemplating getting APCC Pro version with my mount and wondered if someone could talk about how the
tracking of the mount is enhanced by the modelling and realistically what I should expect when using it and doing
imaging work work. I am looking at using it with a Mach1 GTO and GTOCP4.

George C. Lutch






Re: Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Wayne,

Yes both those error message were from the app - Maxim and PHD2. I think I diagnosed the problem. I use a
Primaluce Eagle2 Pro Scope-top computer. For some reason, the version of APCC was from 2017!!
I don't think that the version of APCC had anything to do with the errors. I was able to reproduce the exact MaximDL error message you said you posted simply by not connecting MaximDL in the Observatory window. If the mount is not connected or APCC cannot see the mount then MaximDL will show that error.

I have a second question - I have the Eagle connected to the mount with a direct Ethernet cable. Works fine
except on start up. APPC starts and the ASCOM driver window opens, but the scope coordinates in APCC remain
blank and initialization doesn't run. I have to power cycle the CP4 controller and then things work fine. This is OK
when I am nearby but remote startup is a problem. Any idea why this behavior?
If APCC cannot connect to the IP Address that you have defined for your CP4 then the fields in APPC will be blank like that. If that was happening it would explain the MaximDL error.

It could be that the CP4 boots well before the Eagle has booted and as such picks a default IP address different from what you have APCC configured to use. Then, once the Eagle is up rebooting the CP4 allows the CP4 to grab the IP address you need from the Eagle. If that's what is happening an alternative might be to configure the CP4 to use a static IP. Maybe give Howard a call to set that up if you don't have the info on how to do that.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:52 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider



Yes both those error message were from the app - Maxim and PHD2. I think I diagnosed the problem. I use a
Primaluce Eagle2 Pro Scope-top computer. For some reason, the version of APCC was from 2017!! I'm
reasonably sure I've updated it but that makes me doubt my memory. But I never got an update announcement
from the app when I started it. Once I updated it, things seemed to run OK, but guiding was very inconsistent. This
is a new OAG setup so still trying to figure it out.

I have a second question - I have the Eagle connected to the mount with a direct Ethernet cable. Works fine
except on start up. APPC starts and the ASCOM driver window opens, but the scope coordinates in APCC remain
blank and initialization doesn't run. I have to power cycle the CP4 controller and then things work fine. This is OK
when I am nearby but remote startup is a problem. Any idea why this behavior?

Thanks!

Wayn e



Question on APCC

George Lutch
 

I am contemplating getting APCC Pro version with my mount and wondered if someone could talk about how the tracking of the mount is enhanced by the modelling and realistically what I should expect when using it and doing imaging work work.  I am looking at using it with a Mach1 GTO and GTOCP4.

George C. Lutch



Re: Daylight saving time

Geoffrey Cook <geoffrey.cook@...>
 

If you are currently a Keypad-only visual observer, you do need to enter a change though, right?




On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 12:55 PM, chris1011@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 

You really don't need to do anything to the keypad, it will work fine and not interfere with your other programs.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dodd mike@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto Sent: Sat, Mar 9, 2019 8:55 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Daylight saving time

I think I have this right, but I'd like to check to be sure so I don't
screw up something.

I have an AP1200 with these numbers:
Keypad: 1975GTO 1106
Mount: CP3 0374

I connect the mount to ACP using the ASCOM driver 5.20.09. The keypad is
connected, but rarely used (I know I could disconnect it for normal
operation with ACP).

Am I correct that I don't need to do anything special after the Daylight
Saving Time change? The next time I connect the mount, will the ASCOM
driver send the correct DST state to it, and will the keypad then be
updated with that information?

Thanks.

--
Mike

Mike Dodd
Louisa County, Virginia USA
http://astronomy.mdodd.com


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Re: Daylight saving time

Roland Christen
 

You really don't need to do anything to the keypad, it will work fine and not interfere with your other programs.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dodd mike@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto
Sent: Sat, Mar 9, 2019 8:55 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Daylight saving time

I think I have this right, but I'd like to check to be sure so I don't
screw up something.

I have an AP1200 with these numbers:
Keypad: 1975GTO 1106
Mount: CP3 0374

I connect the mount to ACP using the ASCOM driver 5.20.09. The keypad is
connected, but rarely used (I know I could disconnect it for normal
operation with ACP).

Am I correct that I don't need to do anything special after the Daylight
Saving Time change? The next time I connect the mount, will the ASCOM
driver send the correct DST state to it, and will the keypad then be
updated with that information?

Thanks.

--
Mike

Mike Dodd
Louisa County, Virginia USA
http://astronomy.mdodd.com


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Re: Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider

Wayne Hixson
 

Yes both those error message were from the app - Maxim and PHD2. I think I diagnosed the problem. I use a Primaluce Eagle2 Pro Scope-top computer. For some reason, the version of APCC was from 2017!! I'm reasonably sure I've updated it but that makes me doubt my memory. But I never got an update announcement from the app when I started it. Once I updated it, things seemed to run OK, but guiding was very inconsistent. This is a new OAG setup so still trying to figure it out.

I have a second question - I have the Eagle connected to the mount with a direct Ethernet cable. Works fine except on start up. APPC starts and the ASCOM driver window opens, but the scope coordinates in APCC remain blank and initialization doesn't run. I have to power cycle the CP4 controller and then things work fine. This is OK when I am nearby but remote startup is a problem. Any idea why this behavior?

Thanks! 

Wayne


Re: Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Wayne,

There is no such error in the driver that says "PulseGuide fails to activate mount" or "failed to activate relay". Those seem like application errors.

in MaximDL it says failed to activate guider relay,
even though the guider relay setting is Telescope.
I don't think there is a "guider relay setting" in MaximDL 6. However, in Maxim's Guider Settings dialog there is an "Autoguider Output" group box. In that group box there is "Control Via" which can be set to "Telescope". If that is what you meant you should also make sure to connect to the mount via "Telescope" in Maxim's "Observatory" dialog. Otherwise there is no connection to the telescope and guider commands will fail.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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Subject: [ap-gto] Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider



I'm running the latest ASCOM driver 5.20.09 and have tried guiding calibration with 2 different cameras - Ultrastar
and ASI174 - and in both PHD2 and Maxim DL. In PHD2 I get a message that PulseGuide fails to activate mount
and in MaximDL it says failed to activate guider relay, even though the guider relay setting is Telescope. This is
driving me crazy


Problem with PulseGuide Commands Failing to Calibrate Guider

Wayne Hixson
 

I'm running the latest ASCOM driver 5.20.09 and have tried guiding calibration with 2 different cameras - Ultrastar and ASI174 - and in both PHD2 and Maxim DL. In PHD2 I get a message that PulseGuide fails to activate mount and in MaximDL it says failed to activate guider relay, even though the guider relay setting is Telescope. This is driving me crazy


Daylight saving time

Mike Dodd
 

I think I have this right, but I'd like to check to be sure so I don't screw up something.

I have an AP1200 with these numbers:
Keypad: 1975GTO 1106
Mount: CP3 0374

I connect the mount to ACP using the ASCOM driver 5.20.09. The keypad is connected, but rarely used (I know I could disconnect it for normal operation with ACP).

Am I correct that I don't need to do anything special after the Daylight Saving Time change? The next time I connect the mount, will the ASCOM driver send the correct DST state to it, and will the keypad then be updated with that information?

Thanks.

--
Mike

Mike Dodd
Louisa County, Virginia USA
http://astronomy.mdodd.com


Re: Just purchased a 600E

Roland Christen
 

The CP2 will work just fine for what you want to do.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: adam81224@... [ap-gto] To: ap-gto
Sent: Sat, Mar 9, 2019 1:47 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Just purchased a 600E



I purchased a 130EDFGT years ago new from AP.  I've used it with several AltAz mounts and a Tak EM200.  I recently decided I want a GOTO mount, why not?  Funds prevent me from a Mach 1, I'm not interested in a new EM200, I seriously considered a new G11 but want something smaller.  The 600E checks all boxes.

The mount was purchased new from AP and according to owner has been used less than 30 nights, photos lead me to believe it.

The mount comes with the wooden Baader tripod, two 9lb counterweights, keypad, power supply and battery pack.  It's got the GTOCP2 control box.  I'm set on arrival.

Here's the question, I'll be using the mount 90% of time for visual use with the possibility of reentering astrophotography.  Do I have any reason to consider upgrading to the GTOCP4?  George at AP recommends a new battery for the hand controller, otherwise says I'll be good to go.

Any input regarding the GTOCP2 for a primarily visual user or any additional opinions appreciated. 

Thanks, 
Adam



Just purchased a 600E

Adam S
 

I purchased a 130EDFGT years ago new from AP.  I've used it with several AltAz mounts and a Tak EM200.  I recently decided I want a GOTO mount, why not?  Funds prevent me from a Mach 1, I'm not interested in a new EM200, I seriously considered a new G11 but want something smaller.  The 600E checks all boxes.


The mount was purchased new from AP and according to owner has been used less than 30 nights, photos lead me to believe it.


The mount comes with the wooden Baader tripod, two 9lb counterweights, keypad, power supply and battery pack.  It's got the GTOCP2 control box.  I'm set on arrival.


Here's the question, I'll be using the mount 90% of time for visual use with the possibility of reentering astrophotography.  Do I have any reason to consider upgrading to the GTOCP4?  George at AP recommends a new battery for the hand controller, otherwise says I'll be good to go.


Any input regarding the GTOCP2 for a primarily visual user or any additional opinions appreciated. 


Thanks, 

Adam