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Re: To grease or not to grease, that is the question....

Roland Christen
 


Or, being southern, should I use bacon grease? 
I'm more oriented towards Mediterranean so i always use Olive oil (extra Virgin of course!).

Rolando

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Subject: [ap-gto] To grease or not to grease, that is the question....

So had an incident yesterday unrelated to the mount, some M54 spacers, but it reminded me to ask, and I think there are a lot of machinists out here... 

When should one apply lubricant to bolts (and similar) when attaching? 

I've been told (though in the context of boats) basically "always", and 'especially with dissimilar metals'.  And if I'm assembling something I expect to stay for years, I try to remember to put a dollop (a precise measure to be sure) on the bolt before threading it in.

It doesn't seem to be discussed much in astronomy, yet almost everything is stainless to aluminum, sometimes to stainless, and often in heavy humidity and dew, and often left outside (though I do not). 

So for example: The bolts holding the saddle to the DEC plate on the AP1100 -- a bit of grease?  What kind if so?  I have some Lubriplate I have been using, but I confess when I put the 1100 together I was changing it so often I did not bother.  Now that it is somewhat stable, should I just remove each bolt and add a dollop?  Or a half-dollop?

Or, being southern, should I use bacon grease?  It works for most things, keeps my arteries from rusting.

The idea of course being to ensure that down the road nothing has seized, and also reduce corrosion.

Is there a best practice we should be following? 

Am I over-thinking it and it just doesn't matter? 

Linwood


--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


To grease or not to grease, that is the question....

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

So had an incident yesterday unrelated to the mount, some M54 spacers, but it reminded me to ask, and I think there are a lot of machinists out here... 

When should one apply lubricant to bolts (and similar) when attaching? 

I've been told (though in the context of boats) basically "always", and 'especially with dissimilar metals'.  And if I'm assembling something I expect to stay for years, I try to remember to put a dollop (a precise measure to be sure) on the bolt before threading it in.

It doesn't seem to be discussed much in astronomy, yet almost everything is stainless to aluminum, sometimes to stainless, and often in heavy humidity and dew, and often left outside (though I do not). 

So for example: The bolts holding the saddle to the DEC plate on the AP1100 -- a bit of grease?  What kind if so?  I have some Lubriplate I have been using, but I confess when I put the 1100 together I was changing it so often I did not bother.  Now that it is somewhat stable, should I just remove each bolt and add a dollop?  Or a half-dollop?

Or, being southern, should I use bacon grease?  It works for most things, keeps my arteries from rusting.

The idea of course being to ensure that down the road nothing has seized, and also reduce corrosion.

Is there a best practice we should be following? 

Am I over-thinking it and it just doesn't matter? 

Linwood


Re: Which Camera?

Bill Long
 

Recently placed a pre-order for the Atik APX60. Really hoping this one solves all the challenges previous IMX455 cameras have had and provides some stability. On paper, it looks pretty solid.

Meanwhile the 16803 continues to hum right along.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 9:22 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Which Camera?
 
I have not decided yet what to get. I'm looking at other possibilities. Meanwhile I'm having fun with my old QSI 683 - a real gem of a camera.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Martin <terry@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 6, 2021 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Which Camera?

Hi Roland,

Did you ever decide on a camera?

If you decided on a QHY, I hope your experience is better than mine.  I had purchased a 268C, Early Bird Version, and when I got it and connected it all up I had lots of connection issues.  When I asked QHY for assistance all I was told that the camera had been tested before shipping and that it was fine (I had bought it directly from QHY).  Well, after some time it started working fine and I left it on the scope and didn't touch it.  I then decided to set up the camera on a different scope and I again got lots of connection issues.  Then I noticed that the USB connector was broken which was probably the problem all along.  Anyway, I sent the camera for repair through QHY repair service in the US. The camera was then sent to Hong Kong. After a couple months I sent them an email asking for an update and was told that the camera could not be repaired in Hong Kong and therefore needed to be sent to Beijing.  I sent them more emails with no response until after 5 months when I finally heard from QHY and was told that they would replace the camera.  I received the camera today, but what I got was a used camera and not even the same model camera.  I had sent an Early Bird version and what I received was a Photographic version. From what I remember there was a significant price difference between the two versions.  To say that I'm not impressed would be a major understatement.

I hope your luck is better than mine.

Terry

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: PEM Curve vs. Worm Gear Position

billk@...
 
Edited

Thanks Bill. I found this under a PEM topic and it was just the technical rationale I was looking for. Just happened to find it after posting:

And here are some more great and exclusive features of AP electronics that AP doesn't bother to mention in their literature or specifications:
 
A. Power-loss detection and data preservation. AP servo controllers can detect when power has been lost/cut and by using a special "brownout protection circuit" they quickly save the worm gear angle, worm wheel angle and spur gear train rotation position to NVRAM. That way the controllers know exactly where the spur and worm gears and wheels are positioned when power is restored. This is how the PEM data is kept in sync and how the controller already knows where the mount is pointed when it is powered up. Of course if a user is doing portable setups and/or the clutches are opened, the controller won't know if the OTA is pointing to stuff accurately or not. A single Calibration/Sync will fix that, when needed. This is also a great feature at star parties and outreach events. If someone kicks out your power connection, all you have to do is restore power, initialize the CP1/2/3/4 servo controller (automatic with the AP hand controller) and do another GOTO the object to get it back in the center of the eyepiece and track it 

Thanks for the quick answers - 

Bill K.


Re: #APCC Pro 1.9 w/ASTAP platesolve test always fails #APCC

Sébastien Doré
 

Thanks for the educative insights, Dale and Ray.

It is true that feature is probably not « necessary ». ASTAP is able to solve my subs after all. But while not « horrific » (and definitely not roasting, freezing is much more a concern at my place), my system f-ratio (F10) / FL (2132) with an image scale of 0,42 ‘’/px is « challenging », I’d say. My exposure time with this system is 15s at ISO 3200 which I found to be the sweet spot relative to exposure + solving time. And the very reason I ticked the box in the first place was to try shorter (5-10s) exposure times without burying the signal in noise and hence still be able to solve quickly (which I obviously haven’t been able to do yet). As I setup / tear down each night, I’m trying to save as much time as possible building a model.

One might argue that the new DEC-ark modeling alone will save me much more time in comparison to all-sky that I should not worry about the 5-10s/point savings, and it is a fair point. But since I have never use modeling before (freshly new AP mount user), from my standpoint, that additionnal step (modeling) is one more thing to account for in my planning, so I’m trying to mitigate its impact as much as possible...

Anyway, just exposing my need/situation here, so take it for what it is. Definitely not criticizing your work guys. Really happy to see so much integration between platforms (re NINA, AP ecosystem, ASTAP) and the way you take into account what users are reporting (when relevant)!

FWIW, if AP’s feature request platform would be up and running ;-), I’d vote FOR the option to specify/use a master dark as Dale suggested.

Clear skies!
Sébastien


Re: PEM Curve vs. Worm Gear Position

W Hilmo
 

The interface between the worm and the wheel (which is what you are affecting when you balance) has a 24 hour period.? This is not something that you need to worry about with PEM.

The key to knowing whether you need to redo PEM or not is knowing whether the mount can keep track of the worm position.? If you make any adjustments to the spur gears inside the gearbox, the mount will not know about the new position, so you would need to redo PEM after such an adjustment.

-Wade

On 9/7/21 10:51 AM, Bill Long wrote:
No, disengaging the worm for balance will not cause a problem with your PEM Curve.?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of billk@... <billk@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 8:55 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] PEM Curve vs. Worm Gear Position
?
I just started doing some astrophotography with my new 1100 and I have been reading up on PEM. Since I'm new to PEM and I cannot seem to find an answer to my simple question, I figured I would just ask it here. I'm curious if there is anything about the PEM curve application that is affected when the worm gears are disengaged from the RA/DEC drive gears for checking balance etc.? Does the mount's servo system have sensors to know the exact position of the worm gears such that there are no phasing issues?


Re: PEM Curve vs. Worm Gear Position

Bill Long
 

No, disengaging the worm for balance will not cause a problem with your PEM Curve. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of billk@... <billk@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 8:55 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] PEM Curve vs. Worm Gear Position
 
I just started doing some astrophotography with my new 1100 and I have been reading up on PEM. Since I'm new to PEM and I cannot seem to find an answer to my simple question, I figured I would just ask it here. I'm curious if there is anything about the PEM curve application that is affected when the worm gears are disengaged from the RA/DEC drive gears for checking balance etc.? Does the mount's servo system have sensors to know the exact position of the worm gears such that there are no phasing issues?


PEM Curve vs. Worm Gear Position

billk@...
 

I just started doing some astrophotography with my new 1100 and I have been reading up on PEM. Since I'm new to PEM and I cannot seem to find an answer to my simple question, I figured I would just ask it here. I'm curious if there is anything about the PEM curve application that is affected when the worm gears are disengaged from the RA/DEC drive gears for checking balance etc.? Does the mount's servo system have sensors to know the exact position of the worm gears such that there are no phasing issues?


Re: CP4 not creating a COM port...

Khushrow Machhi
 

It's all good now.  Reseated the board, downloaded the CP4 FTDI driver and everything is back to normal.


Re: Deep Sky Object Database for Non-Keypad Users

Ajay Narayanan
 

Cartes du Ciel with NINA works really well. NINA's built in sky atlas gives detailed information about visibility and transit time, and works well with the built in framing assistant. ASTAP is also integrated well. So this has now become my go to combination (pun intended).

Ajay


Re: APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

Bill Long
 

The problem happens when I click Tools > APPM Plate Solve and Sync from the APCC menu. That does not work. Just gives an error that it cannot open APPM. Even if APPM is open it will still just give that error and do nothing. I tried with APPM closed, APPM open and nothing connected, and APPM open with the camera and mount connected. None of them worked.

I use this feature normally when I set up for the first evening or if I have homed my Mach 2 for some reason (as it will clear the RECAL data). I have seen that error in the past, but either trying again or trying with APPM already open usually worked out fine. I chalked it up to my Mini PC taking too long to open up APPM. 

This time when I tried to use it, I was completely blocked. 

APPM modeling worked perfectly fine last night, as you can see from the log data. The only fails were due to trees, which are expected on my runs. That is not the issue I am reporting though. 

-Bill


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <iogroups@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 8:06 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
 
Hi Bill,

I see many successful plate solves. Some that failed to solve indicate "no stars", but others have no reason for the failure.

So that I understand the issue, the images that consistently failed to solve were when you clicked the "Plate Solve Now" or "Plate Solve and Recal" buttons?

-Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 6:44 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
>
> I dont use NINA. I was just using APCC's Tools > APPM Plate Solve and Sync function.
>
> Logs here: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F1drv.ms%2Fu%2Fs!AtqRof7LftCbg7w67fN06u1zZbc1Ag%3Fe%3D4P0xIu&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4e4386aa11eb43496e1d08d972110646%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637666239712389483%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=wXYsvALVsvzvvPm2U8BVWtrHnMIf8fkx%2FgDTLURNiAk%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
> <iogroups@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:19 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Were you using NINA + ASTAP for image acquisition and plate solving? If so, and you could connect APPM
> to NINA, you have the latest version.
>
> If you were using the latest version, can I get your logs to investigate what happened?
>
> -Ray
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:43 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
> >
> > I cant do that right now, I am imaging. Looking at the timestamp there, he updated it before I updated APCC
> > Pro, and I did not get this special version. 🙁
> >
> >
> > That function isnt super critical to the usage of the software, so not a big deal to wait on, but it is most
> > definitely broken in 1.9.0.5.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente
> <bvalente@...>
> > Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:38 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
> >
> > there is a 1.9.0.5a
> >
> > from ray
> >
> > My apologies. There was a missing DLL from the Pro installer. Please download this updated installer:
> >
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> > -Ray
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:33 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >        I am on 1.9.0.5 so I think so?
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >        From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente
> > <bvalente@...>
> >        Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:32 PM
> >        To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >        Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
> >
> >        Bill did you try the latest patch Ray just posted (a few hours ago)?
> >
> >
> >
> >        On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >                This feature no longer works at all with the new version of APCC Pro that was just released.
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> >        Brian
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> >        Brian Valente
> >        portfolio brianvalentephotography.com
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Re: APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Bill,

I see many successful plate solves. Some that failed to solve indicate "no stars", but others have no reason for the failure.

So that I understand the issue, the images that consistently failed to solve were when you clicked the "Plate Solve Now" or "Plate Solve and Recal" buttons?

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 6:44 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

I dont use NINA. I was just using APCC's Tools > APPM Plate Solve and Sync function.

Logs here: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtqRof7LftCbg7w67fN06u1zZbc1Ag?e=4P0xIu

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<iogroups@siriusimaging.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

Hi Bill,

Were you using NINA + ASTAP for image acquisition and plate solving? If so, and you could connect APPM
to NINA, you have the latest version.

If you were using the latest version, can I get your logs to investigate what happened?

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:43 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

I cant do that right now, I am imaging. Looking at the timestamp there, he updated it before I updated APCC
Pro, and I did not get this special version. 🙁


That function isnt super critical to the usage of the software, so not a big deal to wait on, but it is most
definitely broken in 1.9.0.5.

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente
<bvalente@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

there is a 1.9.0.5a

from ray

My apologies. There was a missing DLL from the Pro installer. Please download this updated installer:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apastrosoftware.com%2Fapcc_do
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The old link has been updated as well.

-Ray


On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:33 PM Bill Long <bill@outlook.com> wrote:


I am on 1.9.0.5 so I think so?

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Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

Bill did you try the latest patch Ray just posted (a few hours ago)?



On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bill Long <bill@outlook.com> wrote:


This feature no longer works at all with the new version of APCC Pro that was just released.







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Re: #APCC Pro 1.9 w/ASTAP platesolve test always fails #APCC

Dale Ghent
 

When NINA plate solves internally, it passes the original, unstretched image to the configured solver. The API call in NINA that APPM uses to get an image actuates the same logic that is used by the sequencer to grab a generic light frame. So, no hidden magic is going on there, either. NINA takes the requested image using the supplied parameters, plops it on disk as an unadulterated FITS file, and tells APPM where to find it in its API response.

Right now, NINA's API supports getting only light frames as doing darks or biases were beyond the original scope of the API's implementation and needs, so it's quite likely that 2 light frames are being made and one is being subtracted from the other. Even if fetching darks were supported, DSLRs don't have the kind of mechanical shutter in, and logic in which to control them, that some astrocams have that allows them to do "real" darks. Canons do have a "Long exposure noise reduction" feature where the camera does its own dark subtraction exposure, where a second dark frame is created after the light frame with the mirror down and curtain closed and is subtracted internally, but this is all internally managed in the camera and cannot be managed by external software, at least in the models that I'm familiar with.

So, in short, don't configure auto dark subtraction with a DSLR. They're not able to do that kind of thing (create on-demand darks) anyway. An alternative for this would be the ability to specify a master dark file for APPM to use. This kind of stuff isn't usually needed with today's CMOS sensors as plate solve exposures are only a few seconds long (unless you have a horrific focal ratio and/or small FOV) but yeah could be useful for older cameras or noisy DLSRs that are roasting in the summer heat.

On Sep 7, 2021, at 03:14, Seb@stro <sebastiendore1@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just following up on this as it may be of interest to others with a similar problem as mine...

Here goes the story.

Since APPC 1.9 has been out in the wild, I have not had many clear nights to test APPM w/NINA+ASTAP, except one, a few days ago. You guessed it, when doing a run not a single frame solved successfully (sigh). Even under one of the clearest night of the month... But curiously, when I hit the Platesolve and Recal button in APPM (without moving the mount from the last unsolved modeling point), solving was successful !?! Tracking was ON. Settings unchanged. So I decided to take snapshots within NINA with same exposure time and gain and sure enough, solving would also occur almost instantly (couple of seconds at most, also using ASTAP). Went on and compared both APPM and NINA platesolving configuration. Comparable settings were a match. Scratched my head... Then I thought, something must be happening when APPM "fetches" the image from NINA. IIRC, NINA also applies a pre-processing stretch to help with platesolving internally. But does APPM does it too, I asked myself ? If so, is it that each frame is over-stretched (as in stretched by NINA + stretched by APPM) or even not stretched enough - or underexposed - to platesolve)? But then, why am I seemingly the only one out there with this issue? Decided to check the unsolved frames saved in APPM's folder. They were definitely unusual (and unusable), almost black and white and VERY VERY noisy (hint). Weird... And not surprising they were not solved. Then I realized some files were named with Image-APPM-date-time-coord filenames, other with "SyncNow" prefix and some were with a "Dark" prefix (should have rang a bell)... Figured the firsts were those from the run (always failing), the seconds were those when from the "PlateSolve and ReCal" button and the latter, of course, dark frames. I recalled having set that option (dark substract) somewhere but couldn't find it off the top of my head and didn't realize it *might* have explained pretty much what I was experiencing... As time was flying by, I decided to let APPM alone and just went on with my imaging plan, thinking that I would take another look at all this with a fresh mind another day... (Which happens to be today!)

So a question (or a bug fix ? or maybe a feature request, if possible) for Ray / Dale which I hope will officially put an end to my solving issues w/APPM+ASTAP :

Is a Canon DSLR a supported "NINA camera" with the "Auto Dark Substract" option set in APPM?

My guess is it's not right now because in my case, the dark frames I talked about above are shinny little stars on a velvet background (just checked)... :D So, supposedly, the reason ASTAP is always failing when invoked by APPM during a run is because it's trying to solve a "noise frame" (light frame substracted from a light frame) ! 8-)

Anyway, I unchecked the option and will give another try at this on the next clear night.

[To be continued...]

BTW, thanks Ray for the latest release of APCC 1.9.0.5a. Certainly appreciate how quick it was fixing those bugs.

Sébastien


Re: APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

Bill Long
 

I dont use NINA. I was just using APCC's Tools > APPM Plate Solve and Sync function. 



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <iogroups@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
 
Hi Bill,

Were you using NINA + ASTAP for image acquisition and plate solving? If so, and you could connect APPM to NINA, you have the latest version.

If you were using the latest version, can I get your logs to investigate what happened?

-Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:43 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
>
> I cant do that right now, I am imaging. Looking at the timestamp there, he updated it before I updated APCC
> Pro, and I did not get this special version. 🙁
>
>
> That function isnt super critical to the usage of the software, so not a big deal to wait on, but it is most
> definitely broken in 1.9.0.5.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
> Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:38 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
>
> there is a 1.9.0.5a
>
> from ray
>
> My apologies. There was a missing DLL from the Pro installer. Please download this updated installer:
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apastrosoftware.com%2Fapcc_download%2FAPCC_Pro_Setup_1.9.0.5a.exe&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C350b8fb34be04c4b64da08d971f9bb3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637666139665126110%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=PUQiYXSpS6DsKaQbwAaDYNMQlKc61CjNaaevS5s7vu4%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>
> The old link has been updated as well.
>
> -Ray
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:33 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
>
>
>        I am on 1.9.0.5 so I think so?
>
> ________________________________
>
>        From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente
> <bvalente@...>
>        Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:32 PM
>        To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>        Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
>
>        Bill did you try the latest patch Ray just posted (a few hours ago)?
>
>
>
>        On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
>
>
>                This feature no longer works at all with the new version of APCC Pro that was just released.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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Re: #APCC Pro 1.9 w/ASTAP platesolve test always fails #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Sébastien,

So a question (or a bug fix ? or maybe a feature request, if possible) for Ray / Dale which I hope will officially
put an end to my solving issues w/APPM+ASTAP :

Is a Canon DSLR a supported "NINA camera" with the "Auto Dark Substract" option set in APPM?

My guess is it's not right now because in my case, the dark frames I talked about above are shinny little stars
on a velvet background (just checked)... :D So, supposedly, the reason ASTAP is always failing when
invoked by APPM during a run is because it's trying to solve a "noise frame" (light frame substracted from a
light frame) ! 8-)
APPM does a simple binary subtraction of a dark frame from a light frame. The camera control software and the camera itself must have the ability to generate a dark image with the shutter closed. Most DSLRs won't work with this method, but you may not need it anyway.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Seb@stro
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 12:15 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC Pro 1.9 w/ASTAP platesolve test always fails

Just following up on this as it may be of interest to others with a similar problem as mine...

Here goes the story.

Since APPC 1.9 has been out in the wild, I have not had many clear nights to test APPM w/NINA+ASTAP,
except one, a few days ago. You guessed it, when doing a run not a single frame solved successfully (sigh).
Even under one of the clearest night of the month... But curiously, when I hit the Platesolve and Recal button
in APPM (without moving the mount from the last unsolved modeling point), solving was successful !?!
Tracking was ON. Settings unchanged. So I decided to take snapshots within NINA with same exposure time
and gain and sure enough, solving would also occur almost instantly (couple of seconds at most, also using
ASTAP). Went on and compared both APPM and NINA platesolving configuration. Comparable settings were
a match. Scratched my head... Then I thought, something must be happening when APPM "fetches" the image
from NINA. IIRC, NINA also applies a pre-processing stretch to help with platesolving internally. But does
APPM does it too, I asked myself ? If so, is it that each frame is over-stretched (as in stretched by NINA +
stretched by APPM) or even not stretched enough - or underexposed - to platesolve)? But then, why am I
seemingly the only one out there with this issue? Decided to check the unsolved frames saved in APPM's
folder. They were definitely unusual (and unusable), almost black and white and VERY VERY noisy (hint).
Weird... And not surprising they were not solved. Then I realized some files were named with Image-APPM-
date-time-coord filenames, other with "SyncNow" prefix and some were with a "Dark" prefix (should have rang
a bell)... Figured the firsts were those from the run (always failing), the seconds were those when from the
"PlateSolve and ReCal" button and the latter, of course, dark frames. I recalled having set that option (dark
substract) somewhere but couldn't find it off the top of my head and didn't realize it *might* have explained
pretty much what I was experiencing... As time was flying by, I decided to let APPM alone and just went on
with my imaging plan, thinking that I would take another look at all this with a fresh mind another day... (Which
happens to be today!)

So a question (or a bug fix ? or maybe a feature request, if possible) for Ray / Dale which I hope will officially
put an end to my solving issues w/APPM+ASTAP :

Is a Canon DSLR a supported "NINA camera" with the "Auto Dark Substract" option set in APPM?

My guess is it's not right now because in my case, the dark frames I talked about above are shinny little stars
on a velvet background (just checked)... :D So, supposedly, the reason ASTAP is always failing when
invoked by APPM during a run is because it's trying to solve a "noise frame" (light frame substracted from a
light frame) ! 8-)

Anyway, I unchecked the option and will give another try at this on the next clear night.

[To be continued...]

BTW, thanks Ray for the latest release of APCC 1.9.0.5a. Certainly appreciate how quick it was fixing those
bugs.

Sébastien


Re: APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Bill,

Were you using NINA + ASTAP for image acquisition and plate solving? If so, and you could connect APPM to NINA, you have the latest version.

If you were using the latest version, can I get your logs to investigate what happened?

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:43 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

I cant do that right now, I am imaging. Looking at the timestamp there, he updated it before I updated APCC
Pro, and I did not get this special version. 🙁


That function isnt super critical to the usage of the software, so not a big deal to wait on, but it is most
definitely broken in 1.9.0.5.

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

there is a 1.9.0.5a

from ray

My apologies. There was a missing DLL from the Pro installer. Please download this updated installer:

https://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Pro_Setup_1.9.0.5a.exe
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apastrosoftware.com%2Fapcc_d
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The old link has been updated as well.

-Ray


On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:33 PM Bill Long <bill@outlook.com> wrote:


I am on 1.9.0.5 so I think so?

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Bill did you try the latest patch Ray just posted (a few hours ago)?



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This feature no longer works at all with the new version of APCC Pro that was just released.







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Re: #APCC Pro 1.9 w/ASTAP platesolve test always fails #APCC

Sébastien Doré
 

Just following up on this as it may be of interest to others with a similar problem as mine... 

Here goes the story.

Since APPC 1.9 has been out in the wild, I have not had many clear nights to test APPM w/NINA+ASTAP, except one, a few days ago. You guessed it, when doing a run not a single frame solved successfully (sigh). Even under one of the clearest night of the month... But curiously, when I hit the Platesolve and Recal button in APPM (without moving the mount from the last unsolved modeling point), solving was successful !?! Tracking was ON. Settings unchanged. So I decided to take snapshots within NINA with same exposure time and gain and sure enough, solving would also occur almost instantly (couple of seconds at most, also using ASTAP). Went on and compared both APPM and NINA platesolving configuration. Comparable settings were a match. Scratched my head... Then I thought, something must be happening when APPM "fetches" the image from NINA. IIRC, NINA also applies a pre-processing stretch to help with platesolving internally. But does APPM does it too, I asked myself ? If so, is it that each frame is over-stretched (as in stretched by NINA + stretched by APPM) or even not stretched enough - or underexposed - to platesolve)? But then, why am I seemingly the only one out there with this issue? Decided to check the unsolved frames saved in APPM's folder. They were definitely unusual (and unusable), almost black and white and VERY VERY noisy (hint). Weird... And not surprising they were not solved. Then I realized some files were named with Image-APPM-date-time-coord filenames, other with "SyncNow" prefix and some were with a "Dark" prefix (should have rang a bell)... Figured the firsts were those from the run (always failing), the seconds were those when from the "PlateSolve and ReCal" button and the latter, of course, dark frames. I recalled having set that option (dark substract) somewhere but couldn't find it off the top of my head and didn't realize it *might* have explained pretty much what I was experiencing... As time was flying by, I decided to let APPM alone and just went on with my imaging plan, thinking that I would take another look at all this with a fresh mind another day... (Which happens to be today!)

So a question (or a bug fix ? or maybe a feature request, if possible) for Ray / Dale which I hope will officially put an end to my solving issues w/APPM+ASTAP :

Is a Canon DSLR a supported "NINA camera" with the "Auto Dark Substract" option set in APPM?

My guess is it's not right now because in my case, the dark frames I talked about above are shinny little stars on a velvet background (just checked)... :D So, supposedly, the reason ASTAP is always failing when invoked by APPM during a run is because it's trying to solve a "noise frame" (light frame substracted from a light frame) ! 8-)

Anyway, I unchecked the option and will give another try at this on the next clear night.

[To be continued...]

BTW, thanks Ray for the latest release of APCC 1.9.0.5a. Certainly appreciate how quick it was fixing those bugs.

Sébastien


Re: APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

Bill Long
 

I cant do that right now, I am imaging. Looking at the timestamp there, he updated it before I updated APCC Pro, and I did not get this special version. 🙁 

That function isnt super critical to the usage of the software, so not a big deal to wait on, but it is most definitely broken in 1.9.0.5. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
 
there is a 1.9.0.5a

from ray

My apologies. There was a missing DLL from the Pro installer. Please download this updated installer:

https://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Pro_Setup_1.9.0.5a.exe

The old link has been updated as well.

-Ray

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:33 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
I am on 1.9.0.5 so I think so? 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
 
Bill did you try the latest patch Ray just posted (a few hours ago)?



On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
This feature no longer works at all with the new version of APCC Pro that was just released.



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Re: APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

 

there is a 1.9.0.5a

from ray

My apologies. There was a missing DLL from the Pro installer. Please download this updated installer:

https://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Pro_Setup_1.9.0.5a.exe

The old link has been updated as well.

-Ray


On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:33 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
I am on 1.9.0.5 so I think so? 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
 
Bill did you try the latest patch Ray just posted (a few hours ago)?



On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
This feature no longer works at all with the new version of APCC Pro that was just released.



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Re: APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken

Bill Long
 

I am on 1.9.0.5 so I think so? 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Plate Solve and Sync Broken
 
Bill did you try the latest patch Ray just posted (a few hours ago)?



On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
This feature no longer works at all with the new version of APCC Pro that was just released.



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