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Re : Re: Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

Yves Laroche
 


Re: APCC - custom tracking rate?

Ron Kramer
 

Under rate tracking TAP in main window I see...

"custom tracking rates".

sidereal
RA RATE   1.00000
DEC RATE  0.0000

RA DRIFT  1.000003
DEC Drift  0.000000


Oh I see this changes when I click from sidereal to "STOP. the  custom RA of 15. reppears.
so shoot - I had hoped I had found something that has been messing with my initial mount tests = (


APCC - custom tracking rate?

Ron Kramer
 

I was just testing things in the dome. (I've not been pleased with the little bit of guiding I've done so far) and my PE says it's way out of spec  (user error I'm sure).


So - something looked odd in the quick access control window.


Under RATES: 


Custom RA is set at   15,04111         <----??????

Custom DEC 0.00000



This doesn't' seem normal.  Is it? 


Re: test

Ron Kramer
 

yep


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:24 PM, 'Steven Reilly' sreilly24590@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Test

 

Steve



Re: Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

Ron Kramer
 

Power supply has been changed and upgraded as well.  Howard logged in - did some netbois killer and we moved the antenna out away from the pier  (which is so heavy its gravitational force doesn't let wifi signals out of it's magnetic field!   ;-)
Really it's a old Losmandy stand and it's a lot of metal.

So far "better" but oddly - passwords are not accepted when trying to log into my other network to "test". 
I've considered putting in a linksys mesh unit. (at least to try - if not better I could return it to amazon).

My router is the stock "Cable" netgear  Antenna are internal only...  I've moved and rotated it around with various results. I get very good results from it with all other devices.  My neighbor has same and I see his network at the dome. (though slightly weaker dbm signal). 

My network often reports a dbm signal of  "???" which means there is something CP4 doesnt' like about it. When it does show a actual number, it's a good signal of around -30. My neighbor around -40.  I do have another router here.  A good PEPWAVE unit.... it might be worth a test? 


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 4:57 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Ron,
 
    All I can say is --- WOW --- you have certainly  been diligent !
 
    With so many things you have already tried, maybe it is time to get a ...  “well tested, certified working complete loaner (including its cables, just in case)” from AP, and see if it is your location, the setup, this particular CP4  unit, or its cables. I assume you have tried a totally different CP4 power source, in case there are minor unnoticed fluctuations ?
Four months is enough time wasted. Certainly, been there this past year.
 
Joe
 



Re: Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

Ron Kramer
 

Steven, yep.  Been there done that.

Howard has logged in a couple times to my dome and we're working on ideas one at a time.  So far (today) It's looking promising. I boot up and leave it running to test the longevity of my connection.  They're on it! 

I'm thinking of upgrading to a high end mesh network in the house. (though only needed to reach the dome). Anyone have experience with them? Vastly superior in range?  I'd have the primary in the house in place of the current router and another node in the dome. But would RATHER put the 300 bucks toward my 1200.  shutter remote system.

Then on to my PE error issues = )







On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 2:33 PM, 'Steven Reilly' sreilly24590@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Haven’t really followed this thread but have you placed another wi-fi device where the CP4 is to see how well the signal is received and the connection behavior? I placed a repeater in my observatory for the weak wi-fi signal I get there, right on the edge. But only use it for my IP cameras and run a Cat6 wire from PC to CP4 of course without issue. I wouldn’t want to trust my sole connection to a wi-fi signal anywhere and at least the CP4 allows a backup which again is a wired connection. Just saying but again I haven’t followed this thread closely at all.

 

Steve

 

 

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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

 

 

Joe - none of that applies. Remote desktops (both) work perfectly.

Nuc isn't the issue because the Nuc can be OFF - during the problem.

 

The problem is the CP4  loses connection to my router. It's been a 4 month problem (well since the mount arrived).

The Nuc was added 3 weeks ago. 

I monitor the problem from in the house (no other hardware is involved). I can view the routers "connected devices".

And the GP4 comes and goes.   Logging into the cp4's menu.  (this can be from the nuc, but is more often done in 

the house on my desktops.. (they are connected to the router). I can call up the connected devices list from anywhere..

results are same.

 

I am quite good at logically finding problems. So all these basics have been extremely well covered. (removing as many variables as possible).

IE:  CP4  and  Router.  Nothing else is envolved.  Leaves it to signal, or interference.. Thus, I have changed from AUTO channel

to channel 3 and 6.  SAME PROBLEM.  I have scanned wifis in my area with a util that shows all wifi networks in range and channels.

I have one neighbor. (only one). I can see his networks and what channels they use. I opted to use channels out of their signal spread.

I have used wifi signal strength utils to monitor wifi at the dome.  (300ft from router). And it's quite stable.

I've since added other wifi devices which all connect and are stable. 

 

Other devices added over last couple months stay connected.  Router reveals them as connected.

CP4 does not. 

 

Other devices (when asked to connect to a wifi signal, list all 8 or so networks). Connects to either of my two 2G options.

 

CP4 shows "some" or "none" or "all" and when asked to connect to one of two I use...  mostly refuses to connect with correct password.

It says retry correct password.  (which is correct).  When it can't find my networks, I turned on hot spot on my phone in the dome. 3 ft from 

CP4 and it can not be found.  Often a power down and up of the CP4 may fix this and show the network options.

However then it's a 90% chance the password will not be accepted.  (that puzzles me, is it being corrupted?) 

 

I have used it as an access point and it seems fine. BUT I've never used it configured as such for more than 10-15 minutes. (to test wifi).

I think today, - I will reconfigure it as an access point and run my wifi scanner to watch its signal as a host.

 

going to try that now.  I added some screen caps to the file section under the folder name of Rons attachments.

 

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:31 PM, howard@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ron and Group,

We are working on this on our end.  One thing that we have noticed is that there seems to be a large number of issues of various sorts - including WiFi problems - on systems employing the NUC mini computers. 

The issue that Ron is seeing has all the earmarks of a radio interference problem.   I am not going to play the blame game, but I do want to point out that all of our A-P electronics undergo rigorous FCC / CE testing and are pretty well shielded. 

We'll keep the group informed as we pursue this further.

 



Re: Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD

Ron Kramer
 

I'm a tester for sky safari. This is a big request from us AP users.  There was a miscommunication between SS guys and AP. And they thought park 4 was requested. (actually AP requested all the park positions).  4 was implemented, but we're requesting ALL or a change to park 3 if only one can be provided.  I to park at 3 in my observatory and it's a extra hassle to unpark from 3 - then park at 4 to connect SS6 pro. I have that change in their to do list.  If you like post your request in the forum as well to make it happen sooner.  I also just posted a bug I found today in the new SS6 pro version on ipad3.  We did heavy debugging over the past 3 mo. But I still seem to find some odd ones.  It may be due to shared settings across devices. (I suspect). the data isn't being shared properly.


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:45 PM, biker123@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Roland,

I have been using Sky Safari to control my mount both with the wireless in the CP4 controller on my 1100 mount and also tested  with an external Sky Fi wireless device...both work fine. The Park and Restore  is only available from the Park 4 position in Sky Safari. Is it possible to park and restore from another position when used with Sky Safari? In my case I need to store the mount in Park 3 position in my observatory. I have been parking in position 4 and than restarting the mount with the hand controller and moving it to Park 3 with the hand controller and when restarting I do the reverse....start in Park 3 and repark in Park 4 and than restart the mount with Sky Safari. 

I figure I may be making this more difficult than it needs to be but would appreciate some comments.  The mount is set to auto-connect as it is a permanent polar aligned setup. 

I guess the thing I don't understand is why it has to be parked and unparked in position 4 with Sky Safari...why not one of the other positions? 



Re: Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD

Konstantin von Poschinger
 

Hi,

if you have a hand pad and set it to auto connect, then you simply can use Sky Safari. You need not to initialize. Later park with the hand pad to park 3.


Konstantin v. Poschinger

Hammerichstr. 5
22605 Hamburg
040/8805747
0171 1983476

Am 06.01.2018 um 04:45 schrieb biker123@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>:

Roland,

I have been using Sky Safari to control my mount both with the wireless in the CP4 controller on my 1100 mount and also tested  with an external Sky Fi wireless device...both work fine. The Park and Restore  is only available from the Park 4 position in Sky Safari. Is it possible to park and restore from another position when used with Sky Safari? In my case I need to store the mount in Park 3 position in my observatory. I have been parking in position 4 and than restarting the mount with the hand controller and moving it to Park 3 with the hand controller and when restarting I do the reverse....start in Park 3 and repark in Park 4 and than restart the mount with Sky Safari. 

I figure I may be making this more difficult than it needs to be but would appreciate some comments.  The mount is set to auto-connect as it is a permanent polar aligned setup. 

I guess the thing I don't understand is why it has to be parked and unparked in position 4 with Sky Safari...why not one of the other positions? 




Re: Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD

Robert Berta
 

Roland,
I understand using levels to restart from Position 4 when using Sky Safari....but am curious why Sky Safari only has the option to park and restore at Position 4.  In my case I need to park at position 3 in my observatory to maximize working space when not using the scope. The mount is permanently installed and set to AutoConnect Yes. The controller is the CP4 latest software update and latest hand controller update also.


Re: Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

Joe Zeglinski
 

Ron,
 
    All I can say is --- WOW --- you have certainly  been diligent !
 
    With so many things you have already tried, maybe it is time to get a ...  “well tested, certified working complete loaner (including its cables, just in case)” from AP, and see if it is your location, the setup, this particular CP4  unit, or its cables. I assume you have tried a totally different CP4 power source, in case there are minor unnoticed fluctuations ?
Four months is enough time wasted. Certainly, been there this past year.
 
Joe
 


Re: Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD

Roland Christen
 

Sky Safari is actually quite simple. Loosen the clutches and place the scope in Park4 position, which can be done with Carpenter's level. Lock the clutches. Turn on power. Connect Sky Safari to the CP4 (press connect button). That's it, you're off and running. Nothing else to do except to send the mount to your object of interest.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: mkea13800@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto
Sent: Fri, Jan 5, 2018 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD



Thanks, Roland.

Can’t wait to try it out.

Don



Re: Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD

Donald Rudny
 

Thanks, Roland.

Can’t wait to try it out.

Don


Re: Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD

Roland Christen
 


Does the CP4 control box get the date, time and location from my iPad?  Does the control box contain all the meridian limits and safety settings?
Once the CP4 is initialized from a known park position, the meridian, horizon and safety limits are automatically set. Everything is referenced to your starting point.

With SkySafari basically all you do is turn on the power, resume from Park4 and go to any sky object.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: mkea13800@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto
Sent: Fri, Jan 5, 2018 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD



Hi Roland,

I’ve been following this discussion and I have a new AP1100 on order for February delivery.  If I use SkySafari on an iPad to initiate and control the mount, I understand I do that from Position 4 after I’m polar aligned.  Does the CP4 control box get the date, time and location from my iPad?  Does the control box contain all the meridian limits and safety settings?  If that’s the way it works, that’s a wonderful thing.

Thanks,

Don



Re: Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

Yves Laroche
 

Hi Ron,

Did you try testing with another router?

What kind of router are you using?

Regards,
Yves

Le 2018-01-05 2:20 PM, "Ron Kramer ronkramer1957@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
 

Joe - none of that applies. Remote desktops (both) work perfectly.
Nuc isn't the issue because the Nuc can be OFF - during the problem.

The problem is the CP4  loses connection to my router. It's been a 4 month problem (well since the mount arrived).
The Nuc was added 3 weeks ago. 
I monitor the problem from in the house (no other hardware is involved). I can view the routers "connected devices".
And the GP4 comes and goes.   Logging into the cp4's menu.  (this can be from the nuc, but is more often done in 
the house on my desktops. (they are connected to the router). I can call up the connected devices list from anywhere..
results are same.

I am quite good at logically finding problems. So all these basics have been extremely well covered. (removing as many variables as possible).
IE:  CP4  and  Router.  Nothing else is envolved.  Leaves it to signal, or interference.. Thus, I have changed from AUTO channel
to channel 3 and 6.  SAME PROBLEM.  I have scanned wifis in my area with a util that shows all wifi networks in range and channels.
I have one neighbor. (only one). I can see his networks and what channels they use. I opted to use channels out of their signal spread.
I have used wifi signal strength utils to monitor wifi at the dome.  (300ft from router). And it's quite stable.
I've since added other wifi devices which all connect and are stable. 

Other devices added over last couple months stay connected.  Router reveals them as connected.
CP4 does not. 

Other devices (when asked to connect to a wifi signal, list all 8 or so networks). Connects to either of my two 2G options.

CP4 shows "some" or "none" or "all" and when asked to connect to one of two I use...  mostly refuses to connect with correct password.
It says retry correct password.  (which is correct).  When it can't find my networks, I turned on hot spot on my phone in the dome. 3 ft from 
CP4 and it can not be found.  Often a power down and up of the CP4 may fix this and show the network options.
However then it's a 90% chance the password will not be accepted.  (that puzzles me, is it being corrupted?) 

I have used it as an access point and it seems fine. BUT I've never used it configured as such for more than 10-15 minutes. (to test wifi).
I think today, - I will reconfigure it as an access point and run my wifi scanner to watch its signal as a host.

going to try that now.  I added some screen caps to the file section under the folder name of Rons attachments.





On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:31 PM, howard@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ron and Group,

We are working on this on our end.  One thing that we have noticed is that there seems to be a large number of issues of various sorts - including WiFi problems - on systems employing the NUC mini computers. 

The issue that Ron is seeing has all the earmarks of a radio interference problem.   I am not going to play the blame game, but I do want to point out that all of our A-P electronics undergo rigorous FCC / CE testing and are pretty well shielded. 

We'll keep the group informed as we pursue this further.




Re: Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

Steve Reilly
 

Haven’t really followed this thread but have you placed another wi-fi device where the CP4 is to see how well the signal is received and the connection behavior? I placed a repeater in my observatory for the weak wi-fi signal I get there, right on the edge. But only use it for my IP cameras and run a Cat6 wire from PC to CP4 of course without issue. I wouldn’t want to trust my sole connection to a wi-fi signal anywhere and at least the CP4 allows a backup which again is a wired connection. Just saying but again I haven’t followed this thread closely at all.

 

Steve

 

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 2:21 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

 

 

Joe - none of that applies. Remote desktops (both) work perfectly.

Nuc isn't the issue because the Nuc can be OFF - during the problem.

 

The problem is the CP4  loses connection to my router. It's been a 4 month problem (well since the mount arrived).

The Nuc was added 3 weeks ago. 

I monitor the problem from in the house (no other hardware is involved). I can view the routers "connected devices".

And the GP4 comes and goes.   Logging into the cp4's menu.  (this can be from the nuc, but is more often done in 

the house on my desktops. (they are connected to the router). I can call up the connected devices list from anywhere..

results are same.

 

I am quite good at logically finding problems. So all these basics have been extremely well covered. (removing as many variables as possible).

IE:  CP4  and  Router.  Nothing else is envolved.  Leaves it to signal, or interference.. Thus, I have changed from AUTO channel

to channel 3 and 6.  SAME PROBLEM.  I have scanned wifis in my area with a util that shows all wifi networks in range and channels.

I have one neighbor. (only one). I can see his networks and what channels they use. I opted to use channels out of their signal spread.

I have used wifi signal strength utils to monitor wifi at the dome.  (300ft from router). And it's quite stable.

I've since added other wifi devices which all connect and are stable. 

 

Other devices added over last couple months stay connected.  Router reveals them as connected.

CP4 does not. 

 

Other devices (when asked to connect to a wifi signal, list all 8 or so networks). Connects to either of my two 2G options.

 

CP4 shows "some" or "none" or "all" and when asked to connect to one of two I use...  mostly refuses to connect with correct password.

It says retry correct password.  (which is correct).  When it can't find my networks, I turned on hot spot on my phone in the dome. 3 ft from 

CP4 and it can not be found.  Often a power down and up of the CP4 may fix this and show the network options.

However then it's a 90% chance the password will not be accepted.  (that puzzles me, is it being corrupted?) 

 

I have used it as an access point and it seems fine. BUT I've never used it configured as such for more than 10-15 minutes. (to test wifi).

I think today, - I will reconfigure it as an access point and run my wifi scanner to watch its signal as a host.

 

going to try that now.  I added some screen caps to the file section under the folder name of Rons attachments.

 

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:31 PM, howard@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ron and Group,

We are working on this on our end.  One thing that we have noticed is that there seems to be a large number of issues of various sorts - including WiFi problems - on systems employing the NUC mini computers. 

The issue that Ron is seeing has all the earmarks of a radio interference problem.   I am not going to play the blame game, but I do want to point out that all of our A-P electronics undergo rigorous FCC / CE testing and are pretty well shielded. 

We'll keep the group informed as we pursue this further.

 


Re: Can you control a Mach1 with a Mac through TSX?

Stacey Mills
 

Roland,


Just do it! 


I've been a Windows user and software coder since the first IBM PC, but I have to say that the Mac hardware is hard to beat, as are many of their programs, and the Parallels setup is a great way to reap the benefits of both systems without any downside. 


-Stacey


Re: Can't access GTOCP4 again ?

Ron Kramer
 

Joe - none of that applies. Remote desktops (both) work perfectly.
Nuc isn't the issue because the Nuc can be OFF - during the problem.

The problem is the CP4  loses connection to my router. It's been a 4 month problem (well since the mount arrived).
The Nuc was added 3 weeks ago. 
I monitor the problem from in the house (no other hardware is involved). I can view the routers "connected devices".
And the GP4 comes and goes.   Logging into the cp4's menu.  (this can be from the nuc, but is more often done in 
the house on my desktops. (they are connected to the router). I can call up the connected devices list from anywhere.
results are same.

I am quite good at logically finding problems. So all these basics have been extremely well covered. (removing as many variables as possible).
IE:  CP4  and  Router.  Nothing else is envolved.  Leaves it to signal, or interference. Thus, I have changed from AUTO channel
to channel 3 and 6.  SAME PROBLEM.  I have scanned wifis in my area with a util that shows all wifi networks in range and channels.
I have one neighbor. (only one). I can see his networks and what channels they use. I opted to use channels out of their signal spread.
I have used wifi signal strength utils to monitor wifi at the dome.  (300ft from router). And it's quite stable.
I've since added other wifi devices which all connect and are stable. 

Other devices added over last couple months stay connected.  Router reveals them as connected.
CP4 does not. 

Other devices (when asked to connect to a wifi signal, list all 8 or so networks). Connects to either of my two 2G options.

CP4 shows "some" or "none" or "all" and when asked to connect to one of two I use...  mostly refuses to connect with correct password.
It says retry correct password.  (which is correct).  When it can't find my networks, I turned on hot spot on my phone in the dome. 3 ft from 
CP4 and it can not be found.  Often a power down and up of the CP4 may fix this and show the network options.
However then it's a 90% chance the password will not be accepted.  (that puzzles me, is it being corrupted?) 

I have used it as an access point and it seems fine. BUT I've never used it configured as such for more than 10-15 minutes. (to test wifi).
I think today, - I will reconfigure it as an access point and run my wifi scanner to watch its signal as a host.

going to try that now.  I added some screen caps to the file section under the folder name of Rons attachments.





On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:31 PM, howard@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ron and Group,

We are working on this on our end.  One thing that we have noticed is that there seems to be a large number of issues of various sorts - including WiFi problems - on systems employing the NUC mini computers. 

The issue that Ron is seeing has all the earmarks of a radio interference problem.   I am not going to play the blame game, but I do want to point out that all of our A-P electronics undergo rigorous FCC / CE testing and are pretty well shielded. 

We'll keep the group informed as we pursue this further.



Re: Trying to control Mach 1 from Sky Safari 5 Pro on my iPAD

Donald Rudny
 

Hi Roland,

I’ve been following this discussion and I have a new AP1100 on order for February delivery.  If I use SkySafari on an iPad to initiate and control the mount, I understand I do that from Position 4 after I’m polar aligned.  Does the CP4 control box get the date, time and location from my iPad?  Does the control box contain all the meridian limits and safety settings?  If that’s the way it works, that’s a wonderful thing.

Thanks,

Don


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Steve Reilly
 

Test

 

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