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Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

George LaBelle
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 09:26 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:
Load Part2 last and you will get that screen.
 
Rolando
  I did!

Browser: Chrome.
OS: WIndows 10 Home
PC was directly wire connected with CAT6 cable.
 
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Stowaway and CCD Cameras

Steve Reilly
 

For now I have a STL-11000M with the 8 position filter wheel that I use on my 12.5” RC. Is this camera too heavy to be mounted on the Stowaway and if not any additional precautions to steady it? I need to find a good match camera still but would like to use what I have for now while waiting….

 

-Steve


Re: Mach2 Keypad

ernie.mastroianni@...
 

Hello Astro-Physics,
Any new estimates on keypad shipment dates for Mach2 owners?
Thanks,
Ernie Mastroianni


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Marj Christen wrote:
I am doing some final edits to the keypad manual right now.  We plan to be shipping the keypad with the new v5 to all Mach2 owners that ordered one next week. We will send an email with additional information.


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Dean Jacobsen
 

Would it be possible to start a new thread for this instead of having the information buried in this thread?
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Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 

For those who want to try setting a limit, here are the commands:

:LR0#  turns off limits
:LR2#  turns on limits at 5 degrees past meridian, bounces back 6 degrees and parks the mount (motors de-energized).

You will need to have software version P02-06 or later software loaded in the CP4. You can do this using the Command Interface via Ethernet connection or WiFi. The above commands can be sent to the mount via the Interface Terminal. We plan to publish other new commands as they become available and have been fully debugged.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric M <eric.marlatt@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2020 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

This is fantastic news, thank you!!!! This will serve as an excellent safety mechanism, I'm sure it will save many from pier crashes. 

The caveats all sound reasonable for those of us without encoders, the mount can't possibly know if the real position is correct or not, that is entirely our responsibility. I'd imagine with a bad recal users will notice their slews are way off long before the safety limit comes into play. 

A variable window for the limit would certainly add some flexibility for those who might have a wider diameter pier or filter wheels/imaging equipment that could collide before the 5 degree window is reached. 

Very much looking forward to this feature, I appreciate the response. 

Eric


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Eric M
 

This is fantastic news, thank you!!!! This will serve as an excellent safety mechanism, I'm sure it will save many from pier crashes. 

The caveats all sound reasonable for those of us without encoders, the mount can't possibly know if the real position is correct or not, that is entirely our responsibility. I'd imagine with a bad recal users will notice their slews are way off long before the safety limit comes into play. 

A variable window for the limit would certainly add some flexibility for those who might have a wider diameter pier or filter wheels/imaging equipment that could collide before the 5 degree window is reached. 

Very much looking forward to this feature, I appreciate the response. 

Eric


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 

You can simply verify it by manually slewing the mount in RA to the counterweight up position (past meridian). At 5 degrees past the meridian the mount will stop responding to a west button move, bounce back a small amount and park itself. You will not be able to move it further west, either by button move or tracking.

If you have the keypad, you can move it back east via the buttons, and once it is back in the counterweight down position it will automatically start tracking again. You can also move it out of the limits by simply issuing any object move command from the keypad objects list. The keypad also now has a flip command that allows you to flip to the other side and acquire the same object again. The keypad will automatically unpark the mount either way and the mount will then slew to the correct side with counterweight up. The only thing you cannot do is to move it via the buttons further past the limit.

If you use an external planetarium program to control the mount, you will first need to unpark the mount. SkyX will prompt you to unpark before it lets you slew the mount to another object. Other programs may need to re-start the mount.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffc <jeffcrilly@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2020 11:31 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver



> On Oct 26, 2020, at 8:54 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> So, if you have your whits about you and are certain that the mount is set up correctly,

For the non-encoder mounts, could this command have a “manual verify” feature?

Eg after mount startup a slew is done and if it stops then the user knows the command is setup properly.  If it doesn’t stop then the user can stop it. 
But yes.. I can also see where even this “verify” seems like an opportunity for lots of support calls/emails.

-jeff




Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Jeffc
 

On Oct 26, 2020, at 8:54 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

So, if you have your whits about you and are certain that the mount is set up correctly,
For the non-encoder mounts, could this command have a “manual verify” feature?

Eg after mount startup a slew is done and if it stops then the user knows the command is setup properly. If it doesn’t stop then the user can stop it.
But yes.. I can also see where even this “verify” seems like an opportunity for lots of support calls/emails.

-jeff


Re: Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Dale Ghent
 

Indeed, such software exists in the form of ASCOMPAD from the EQMOD project:

http://eq-mod.sourceforge.net/apindex.html

/dale

On Oct 26, 2020, at 12:17 PM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

That would be any software that produces the ASCOM command to move a telescope at the chosen rate and chosen direction. I don't know if that software exists. If it does, then indeed it can move not only our mount, but all mounts, since ASCOM is the common interface for all amateur mounts.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Ruckle <aruckle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 6:03 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 

That would be any software that produces the ASCOM command to move a telescope at the chosen rate and chosen direction. I don't know if that software exists. If it does, then indeed it can move not only our mount, but all mounts, since ASCOM is the common interface for all amateur mounts.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Ruckle <aruckle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 6:03 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 


"Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch"

Answer:
I am working on it. We have a software command now that will set the limit at 5 degrees past the meridian in the CP4. It's a simple command that can be sent via the AP Terminal Command Interface. The command will also be in the new release of the keypad software. At the present time we are debating whether to make the 5 degree window variable, but it has not yet been decided.

There are caveats, however. In a non-encoder mount this limit depends on the hour angle being correct, so if the user does a bad recal (example: recal on Vega when pointing at Betelgeuse), then the hour angle is thrown off course, and this will affect the where the limit is applied. Another example is entering 2:00:00 for time when it really is 1400 hours and the entry should have been 14:00:00. Or entering -6 for time zone when it should have been +6. None of this is an issue for one of our Absolute Encoder mounts, such as the Mach2, because the limit is tied to an actual encoder angle that is invariant, regardless of mistakes in time, date, location or recal entries.

So, if you have your whits about you and are certain that the mount is set up correctly, then sending the limit command will indeed stop the mount at 5 degrees past the meridian. If not, then we will get lots of customer service calls with mounts that don't appear to track (because they are past the limit) and the user has no clue that this is the reason (because he forgot that the limit was set).

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric M <eric.marlatt@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2020 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 


Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 


I do not get that screen.
Load Part2 last and you will get that screen.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I do not get that screen. As another poster said, waited for at least a full minute. "Running new program" never showed up!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

michaeljhanson@...
 

Gents,

When we test the download process it is done with several combinations of browsers and operating systems.  Obviously, it is not possible to test all possible combinations.  So, it may help to understand three things:
1) What browser and version are you using
2) What OS are you using
3) How is the PC connected to the unit (does the Ethernet cable connect directly to your PC, or to your residential network?)
Not blaming any other software here, merely looking for a way to reproduce your symptoms.

Thanks and Regards,
Mike Hanson


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Eric M
 

Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Allen Ruckle
 

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

George LaBelle
 

I do not get that screen. As another poster said, waited for at least a full minute. "Running new program" never showed up!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 

I will review the documentation with our software engineer and clear up any discrepancy. Take me a day or two.

For now: loading Part 1 is not really required since that portion has never changed and really is not the controlling software inside the CP unit. It can be safely left as is. Load only Part2 and this will update all the internal controlling software. Everything is in Part2.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 

Here is what it looks like:




-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

George LaBelle
 

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
--
George
Prineville, Oregon