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Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

midmoastro
 

Hi Ray, Understood.

That said, I can see where this may prevent a wasted night if its late and the support doesnt come in until the next day.
I don't know the details to implementing it so again, just food for thought.
Todd


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Ray Gralak
 

Thomas Swann wote:
On 6/24/2022 6:28 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:
...And, the length of the text is too long for the grid. It would get
clipped in its column in the grid, or force all of the columns to the
right, limiting the data visible unless the window is expanded.
You could put the entire string in the column of the list control
without resizing the column or something shorter like "Error..." if the
column text would be clipped. Then have a mouse over that displays the
entire more descriptive string.
That's a possibility. Thanks for the suggestion!

-Ray


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Todd,

I understand Bill's point and your response, Ray. Perhaps something in the manual that gave a better description
of what common errors, mean? If I can Google-Fu it, or search for the error in a PDF it would be easy. Or just a
dedicated section somewhere with all the common error codes and a brief description.
Anyway, just some additional thoughts.
Yes, putting a list of messages in the help file is something we could do, but it would be complicated to explain all reasons for some messages. What I've found is that even if I put detailed explanations of messages in the help file, most people won't look there anyway. They almost always post or email a question.

So, I think it's better to have users post their exact situation so there is less guesswork locating the source of an error. Technical support is built into the cost of most software products, including APCC, so that's what we try to do here.

-Ray


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Bill,

 

> Either way, telling the user Bad X Scale, is useless. There is nothing they can do in terms of the UI to solve that,

 

I understand, but it does have unique text that you can use in a browser search if a user does not know what it means. And BTW, in the code, it (exactly)means that the plate solved image's X-axis image scale is outside the image scale tolerance. You can avoid this error if you follow the recommendation in the APPM help section,  which is displayed in a different color and bold text. I’ve marked the relevant text in this screenshot:

 

 

>

> Lets flip this around, what did you, as the developer assume people would do with the error message of "Bad X

> Scale"?

 

I would expect peope to either post a message to the ap-gto forum, as you did, or find the answer by doing this obvious google keyword search:

 

APPM “Bad X Scale”

 

As a developer and user of Windows since the very first version, I've seen many Windows error messages and hex codes that are pretty meaningless. Although I agree the goal should always be to present a message that helps the user, there are cases where giving a long explanation can be confusing too.

 

That said, I’ll see if I can come up with a better short phrase for “the plate-solve’s image scale doesn’t fall within the tolerance of the configured image scale”.

 

-Ray


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Thomas Swann
 

On 6/24/2022 6:28 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:
...And, the length of the text is too long for the grid. It would get clipped in its column in the grid, or force all of the columns to the right, limiting the data visible unless the window is expanded.
You could put the entire string in the column of the list control without resizing the column or something shorter like "Error..." if the column text would be clipped.  Then have a mouse over that displays the entire more descriptive string.


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Bill Long
 

I think that's fine.

I recall a story about a software pioneer that got incredibly frustrated that software did a good job of catching and reporting issues, but a not so good job of telling one how to fix it.

Users don't really care if you catch the error, insofar as the software continues to run. They do care though about the information shared with them at the time of the error itself.





From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of midmoastro <teche70@...>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 4:59 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?
 
I understand Bill's point and your response, Ray. Perhaps something in the manual that gave a better description of what common errors, mean? If I can Google-Fu it, or search for the error in a PDF it would be easy. Or just a dedicated section somewhere with all the common error codes and a brief description.
Anyway, just some additional thoughts.
Todd


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

midmoastro
 

I understand Bill's point and your response, Ray. Perhaps something in the manual that gave a better description of what common errors, mean? If I can Google-Fu it, or search for the error in a PDF it would be easy. Or just a dedicated section somewhere with all the common error codes and a brief description.
Anyway, just some additional thoughts.
Todd


Re: Power supply through the Mach2 mount to Pegasus Astro UPBv2

Darth
 

Thanks all for the info!


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Bill Long
 

Either way, telling the user Bad X Scale, is useless. There is nothing they can do in terms of the UI to solve that, Ray.  

Lets flip this around, what did you, as the developer assume people would do with the error message of "Bad X Scale"? 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <iogroups@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:28 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?
 
Hi Bill,

It occurs because the image scale returned by a successful plate solve is different from the value configured on the plate solve tab.

> This is an easy fix, other than changing the text to "Bad X Scale" which isnt useful to a single human on the
> planet, change this to "ERROR: Check image scale."

There are two possible reasons for this message:

1) The plate solve was a false solution (usually the cause) and produced a bad image scale value.
2) The user incorrectly set the image scale on the plate solve tab.

So, "ERROR: Check Image Scale" would be misleading in most cases as the user may be tempted to adjust the image scale instead of realizing the plate solve was at fault. And, the length of the text is too long for the grid. It would get clipped in its column in the grid, or force all of the columns to the right, limiting the data visible unless the window is expanded.

-Ray








Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Bill,

It occurs because the image scale returned by a successful plate solve is different from the value configured on the plate solve tab.

This is an easy fix, other than changing the text to "Bad X Scale" which isnt useful to a single human on the
planet, change this to "ERROR: Check image scale."
There are two possible reasons for this message:

1) The plate solve was a false solution (usually the cause) and produced a bad image scale value.
2) The user incorrectly set the image scale on the plate solve tab.

So, "ERROR: Check Image Scale" would be misleading in most cases as the user may be tempted to adjust the image scale instead of realizing the plate solve was at fault. And, the length of the text is too long for the grid. It would get clipped in its column in the grid, or force all of the columns to the right, limiting the data visible unless the window is expanded.

-Ray


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Roland Christen
 


OxBEEFTURD.
Me like!  Smile  :^))

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 12:55 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?

Ray,

This is an easy fix, other than changing the text to "Bad X Scale" which isnt useful to a single human on the planet, change this to "ERROR: Check image scale."

Errors CAN tell people how to solve the problem, if you bother to print that to them.  "Bad X Scale" is about as useful as OxBEEFTURD.

-bill

PS: Thanks Roland, that was the fix. 🙂 



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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?
 
I have experienced that when I put in the wrong pixel scale.

Roland

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Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 12:40 am
Subject: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?



No idea what this means, nor what to do based on this message?

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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Bill Long
 

Ray,

This is an easy fix, other than changing the text to "Bad X Scale" which isnt useful to a single human on the planet, change this to "ERROR: Check image scale."

Errors CAN tell people how to solve the problem, if you bother to print that to them.  "Bad X Scale" is about as useful as OxBEEFTURD.

-bill

PS: Thanks Roland, that was the fix. 🙂 



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:49 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?
 
I have experienced that when I put in the wrong pixel scale.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
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Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 12:40 am
Subject: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?



No idea what this means, nor what to do based on this message?

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Roland Christen
 

Check your pixel scale that you put into the plate solve settings. Make sure that you use the scale for 1x1 binning, even if you are using 2x2 for the images.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 12:46 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?

APCC is completely broken with this same error:



From: Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:40 PM
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Subject: APCC - Bad X Scale?
 


No idea what this means, nor what to do based on this message?

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

 

Bill I see this topic was covered in some other threads

Ray's first response to this seemed to solve it




On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:46 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
APCC is completely broken with this same error:



From: Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:40 PM
To: AP-GTO Groups.io <ap-gto@groups.io>
Subject: APCC - Bad X Scale?
 


No idea what this means, nor what to do based on this message?




Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Roland Christen
 

I have experienced that when I put in the wrong pixel scale.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: AP-GTO Groups.io <ap-gto@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 12:40 am
Subject: [ap-gto] APCC - Bad X Scale?



No idea what this means, nor what to do based on this message?

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC - Bad X Scale?

Bill Long
 

APCC is completely broken with this same error:



From: Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:40 PM
To: AP-GTO Groups.io <ap-gto@groups.io>
Subject: APCC - Bad X Scale?
 


No idea what this means, nor what to do based on this message?


APCC - Bad X Scale?

Bill Long
 



No idea what this means, nor what to do based on this message?


Re: Power supply through the Mach2 mount to Pegasus Astro UPBv2

Jeffc
 

I have a Mach2 and a UPBV2.
I am powering the UPBV2 from the “through mount” 12v cable.
Also using the thru-mount USB.

Attached to the UPBV2 12v is a QHY268M, with filterwheel, and two dew heaters. I also use the UPBV2 “motor port” to power a focus motor.

No problems with this setup.

As for XT60 connector — I bought a bag of XT60 connectors off Amazon and made my own cable(s) at the exact length needed for my OTAs. The XT60s require soldering and shrinkwrap. Another way to build the cable is get 2 cables - one with XT60 and another with powerpoles; then cut the two and splice one of each to the other.

I don’t use the Pegasus110v power supply as I am mostly “remote” without power. So I use a Yeti1500x which has 12v power pole output and powers everything on the OTA via the mach2 “thru cable” and UPBV2. (The Yeti has a nice 110v inverter builtin , which I use to power the Mach2 (using the mach2 24v power brick), and also a 110v Mac Mini computer.)
The Yeti is a bit pricey, but it will power everything for a night of imaging with some buffer. And it is about the same size/weight as 1 deep cycle battery (but has something like 4x the capacity.)

-jeff


Re: Power supply through the Mach2 mount to Pegasus Astro UPBv2

Michael Kelly
 

I’ll gladly make one for you for just a few bucks and for whatever the shipping is. I’ve got a few extra XT60’s and a Powerpole crimping set up.  Let me know how long you want it.  14ga is plenty HD enough. I run a PW (with a very large primary mirror heater and secondary mirror heater), a dew heater on the guidescope, camera cooler, OTA cooling fans, etc all thru an UPB.  The Powerwerks power supply has never showed over 6A current draw even while slewing a maxxed out Mach 1. 

Let me know if you’re interested. 

Best,

On Thursday, June 23, 2022, 5:44 PM, Konstantin v. Poschinger via groups.io <poschinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

if you by the Pegasus powerbox, there is a cable comming with it, that has the XT60 connector on one side. The other is free. So you can crip your power pole to the other side. 

Grüsse

Konni


Konstantin v. Poschinger


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Am 23.06.2022 um 23:33 schrieb Priyajeet <priyajeet@...>:

Hi folks I have a few questions about power supply via the Mach2

I am thinking of getting a Pegasus Astro Ultimate Powebox (UPBv2), but wanting to attach it via my Mach2's internal cabling as opposed to a dangling cable. Essentially I am trying one of the example setups mentioned in the Mach2 manual page 23. What will get attached to the UPBv2 is a typical setup of cameras/filter wheel/maybe focuser/maybe dew heater.

  1. So this means that the UPBv2's PSU (12v/10A) with XT60 connector is not useful on its own. If anyone here uses the same setup, did you just chop off the XT60 connector from that PSU and install an Anderson Powerpole connector instead to re-utilize that PSU for powering the Mach2 internal? Though I think I would just prefer to get a new PSU and save this one if I ever want to re-sell the UPBv2.
  2. If not that PSU, what PSU do folks use? Any recommendations? I see AP lists this one from Powerwerx. But can I just get away with something simpler like this 12V 20.8A one instead since I don't think I would need a variable PSU? Are there any other readily available PSUs with Anderson Powerpoles that can supply 12v/10-20A which is the recommended input for UPBv2. So that I am not attaching those connectors myself.
  3. What is the wire gauge / ampere rating for the internal cabling in the Mach2? I think I read in another thread it can easily do 15amps, but did not see any upper limits or I missed it.
  4. Likewise what wire gauge should I use for this setup? The Mach2 manual recommends 14 gauge on page 21, but instead recommends 16-18 gauge on page 23 for this setup. I was going to go with 16 AWG since it has higher amp rating but in another thread someone mentioned that accessories might prefer 18 AWG. The distance of the UPBv2 from the dec axis will obviously be very small, so maybe 18AWG will suffice too since it can do 15-20 amps max in short distances. Though this will obviously be limited by the internal cabling of the Mach2 as well as the cabling of the PSU itself to the RA axis input.
  5. Since I will need a custom Anderson Powerpole to XT60 wire for connecting the UPBv2 from the dec axis, where does one get such a custom wire? Powerwerx doesn't seem to have this connector and the only place I could find it was from some random amazon seller.
Thanks!


Re: Power supply through the Mach2 mount to Pegasus Astro UPBv2

Luca Marinelli
 

You can source XT60 to Powerpole pigtails for cheap. That way you can leave the original power cable that comes with the UPB v2 alone.

Luca

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