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Re: GTOCP4 bricked during firmware update

Michael Hislope
 

Howard called me back and there are, indeed, dip switches that allow recovery when the gtocp4 fails to reboot during update. He walked me through the reset and everything is now working properly. 

Thanks again, Howard.
Mike


Re: Weird behavior after CP5 FW upgrade

Ray Gralak
 

Were you running APCC while uploading the firmware? That might make the mount act weird.

Besides about a dozen failed requests in a row, maybe during mount programming if you were running APCC, I don't see any issues. The
mount is responding to commands afterward.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sébastien Doré
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:23 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Weird behavior after CP5 FW upgrade

Hello,

I just upgraded my CP5 to VCP5-P02-11 (from VCP5-P02-10) and since then, APCC fails to connect to the
mount immediately after a power cycle.

I use Ethernet (TCP) as a primary connection method and serial COM5 (USB) as a backup. All cables between
PC and CP5 are almost new, good quality and 3ft long.

Download of FW seemed to have succeeded as the procedure went smoothly (I scrupulously followed the
instructions in the zip file so I don't think I missed anything but who knows...)

So here is what happened after the upgrade :


1. I power-cycled the mount.
2.

3. I fired up APCC and hit "Connect" -> APCC complains there's no mount and tries backup connection
(sometimes it succeeds to connect to backup, sometimes not).
4.

5. When it does not, I hit "Disconnect" and then "Connect" again and it connects properly and I get the
Initialization window. I click "OK" and hear the usual beep from the CP5.

6.

7. At this point, mount is configured to unpark with tracking = zero, which it does correctly.
8.

9. I then slewed to a random place and then went in the park tab to park to park 3. After I confirmed I
wanted to park, APPC immediately states the mount is slewing (but it is not) and then pops-up the "settling"
and then "parked" messages. The mount didn't move at all (AFAICT).
10.

11. A few seconds (5 to 10) after that, the mount starts slewing (at 600x, which is correct) to the
commanded position and parks properly... (head scratching)
12.

13. At this point I decided to re-do the upgrade but I ended up with the same result as above everytime I
power-cycle.
14.

15. So, APCC-log-zip it is and post. Here I am.

It almost feels as if the CP5 is suffering from a major lag when first power it up. As if it now needs a minute
or two to fully wake up for before I can attempt any connection with APPC...


Also, not sure if that's relevant, but I have a keypad connected in EXT mode (but I disconnected it during the
upgrade). It is running the FW 5.009 (DB 02).


Running APCC's latest version: 1.9.3.3.



APCC logs are attached.



Thanks for your help,

Sébastien


GTOCP4 bricked during firmware update

Michael Hislope
 

After several months of APCC telling me that I needed to update the firmware for my Mach1GTO, I decided to do so Friday. Part 1 of the firmware loaded quickly and completely. Unfortunately, when I started Part 2, the install hung, At the point where the power light was supposed to be blinking quickly, it went out completely and never came back on. I waited 20 minutes with no response. That's when my PC decided to reboot and do Windows updates. After that, I was no longer able to connect to the mount and the power light never returned. When I plug in the hand controller it lights up with the version # but doesn't proceed further. The ethernet lights also flash when connected to the PC.

I talked briefly to Howard who was having computer issues of his own and said he would call me back. I have yet to receive that call back.

Does anyone know if there is a breaker or switch inside the GTOCP4 that would allow me to recover it? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike


Weird behavior after CP5 FW upgrade

Sébastien Doré
 

Hello,

I just upgraded my CP5 to VCP5-P02-11 (from VCP5-P02-10) and since then, APCC fails to connect to the mount immediately after a power cycle. 

I use Ethernet (TCP) as a primary connection method and serial COM5 (USB) as a backup. All cables between PC and CP5 are almost new, good quality and 3ft long.

Download of FW seemed to have succeeded as the procedure went smoothly (I scrupulously followed the instructions in the zip file so I don't think I missed anything but who knows...)

So here is what happened after the upgrade :
  1. I power-cycled the mount.

  2. I fired up APCC and hit "Connect" -> APCC complains there's no mount and tries backup connection (sometimes it succeeds to connect to backup, sometimes not). 

  3. When it does not, I hit "Disconnect" and then "Connect" again and it connects properly and I get the Initialization window. I click "OK" and hear the usual beep from the CP5.

  4. At this point, mount is configured to unpark with tracking = zero, which it does correctly.

  5. I then slewed to a random place and then went in the park tab to park to park 3. After I confirmed I wanted to park, APPC immediately states the mount is slewing (but it is not) and then pops-up the "settling" and then "parked" messages. The mount didn't move at all (AFAICT).

  6. A few seconds (5 to 10) after that, the mount starts slewing  (at 600x, which is correct) to the commanded position and parks properly...  (head scratching) 

  7. At this point I decided to re-do the upgrade but I ended up with the same result as above everytime I power-cycle.

  8. So, APCC-log-zip it is and post. Here I am.
It almost feels as if the CP5 is suffering from a major lag when first power it  up. As if it now needs a minute or two to fully wake up for before I can attempt any connection with APPC...

Also, not sure if that's relevant, but I have a keypad connected in EXT mode (but  I disconnected it during the upgrade). It is running the FW 5.009 (DB 02).

Running APCC's latest version: 1.9.3.3.

APCC logs are attached. 

Thanks for your help,

Sébastien


Re: Projecting APCC Meridian Limits on a plantetarium program

Dale Ghent
 

What you are looking for does not currently exist. In theory, a plugin for Stellarium could be made that reads a .pnt file and draws the necessary polygons in the sky, or adds an endpoint to Stellarium's API that APCC could emit the data into; but that's just a back-of-napkin hunch.

On Feb 14, 2022, at 17:54, Rick Darden <rick@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Sure would be nice to be able to show my custom meridian limits I created in APCC onto a planetarium program such as Stellarium or Carte Du Ciel. Is that possible or is there another way for me to see if a potential target is inside or outside a limit before I slew there? For example, if I select a target in the East, I want to know before I slew if it would slew with the mount on the West side/CW down or with the mount on the East side/CW up.

Is there anything that will give me this info?

Rick


Projecting APCC Meridian Limits on a plantetarium program

Rick Darden
 

Hi All,

Sure would be nice to be able to show my custom meridian limits I created in APCC onto a planetarium program such as Stellarium or Carte Du Ciel. Is that possible or is there another way for me to see if a potential target is inside or outside a limit before I slew there? For example, if I select a target in the East, I want to know before I slew if it would slew with the mount on the West side/CW down or with the mount on the East side/CW up.

Is there anything that will give me this info?

Rick


Re: Pointing Accuracy

weems@...
 

Have you also checked for orthogonality? I had up to a degree of pointing error, despite having done a drift polar alignment to zero drift in both axes over 20 minutes, until I also corrected orthogonality. Now I get to within about 7’ all across the sky (with a recalibrate once in a while if I bump the mount).  Much larger errors occur if the mount is set for Daylight Savings and Sky Safari is using standard time. 

Chip


Re: Fast question about CP3/4-GTOs

michael mccann
 

Thanks

On Feb 13, 2022, at 18:58, Ray Gralak <iogroups@...> wrote:



Since I’m looking for a used mount, is there a CP4GTO or CP3GTO chip version that is no longer supported.
Ie cannot get firmware updates or doesn’t work with ASCOM.
All versions of CP3 and CP4 are supported by the ASCOM driver. Note that APCC requires a CP4, or a CP3 with "V" or later firmware.

-Ray

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Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 4:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Fast question about CP3/4-GTOs

Since I’m looking for a used mount, is there a CP4GTO or CP3GTO chip version that is no longer supported.
Ie cannot get firmware updates or doesn’t work with ASCOM.


Thanks

mike






Re: Copying APPM Pointing Model to new computer

Larry Phillips
 

Ray, wow I missed that!!  Thanks Ray.  Checking that made the plots the same.
Larry


Re: Fast question about CP3/4-GTOs

Ray Gralak
 

Since I’m looking for a used mount, is there a CP4GTO or CP3GTO chip version that is no longer supported.
Ie cannot get firmware updates or doesn’t work with ASCOM.
All versions of CP3 and CP4 are supported by the ASCOM driver. Note that APCC requires a CP4, or a CP3 with "V" or later firmware.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of michael mccann via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 4:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Fast question about CP3/4-GTOs

Since I’m looking for a used mount, is there a CP4GTO or CP3GTO chip version that is no longer supported.
Ie cannot get firmware updates or doesn’t work with ASCOM.


Thanks

mike


Re: Copying APPM Pointing Model to new computer

Ray Gralak
 

That was where I copied from and pasted to but look at the attachment and notice RMS on data point
difference. It begs the question is the new version incompatible with a model from an earlier one?
The top picture shows the model does not have Refraction enabled while the bottom does.

-Ray

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Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 5:21 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Copying APPM Pointing Model to new computer

That was where I copied from and pasted to but look at the attachment and notice RMS on data point
difference. It begs the question is the new version incompatible with a model from an earlier one?

Larry


Re: Copying APPM Pointing Model to new computer

Larry Phillips
 

That was where I copied from and pasted to but look at the attachment and notice RMS on data point difference.  It begs the question is the new version incompatible with a model from an earlier one?

Larry


Re: AP1200 & SharpCap 4.0

Dale Penkala
 

On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 07:32 PM, Ray Gralak wrote:
Hi Dale,

Directions for Astro-Physics mounts can be found in the help file and also online at this link:

https://www.siriusimaging.com/Help/PEMProV3/index.html?astrophysicsgtocp3.html

-Ray

Thank you so much for this Ray! I’m looking forward to getting my mount up and running with this new chip and pec training!

Dale


Re: AP1200 & SharpCap 4.0

Dale Penkala
 

Hi Jeff,
Ok I was just wondering is all and good info for me down the road! My plan is to call Monday and order the new chip for my CP3 like I think Dale mentioned for $80. Once I install it I plan to do the Pec training that Roland had mentioned in a comment in my thread and see how that plays out. I plan to download the trail version on PemPro and see what the difference is and if its significant I will buy PemPro and then do what you an others are doing to get my mount to perform at its best.
I’m not a very techy guy honestly, much more mechanical (and software/computers I’m not fond of) but its a part of life now and I have to deal with it. Everything in this thread as well as my thread is exactly the information I’m going to need here in the very near future so I appreciate all the info!

Best of luck with your training and I’ll be watching if you post on your final results! I know I want to know what my before and after numbers are thats for sure!

Dale


Fast question about CP3/4-GTOs

michael mccann
 

Since I’m looking for a used mount, is there a CP4GTO or CP3GTO chip version that is no longer supported.  Ie cannot get firmware updates or doesn’t work with ASCOM.


Thanks

mike 


Re: AP1200 & SharpCap 4.0

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Dale,

Directions for Astro-Physics mounts can be found in the help file and also online at this link:

https://www.siriusimaging.com/Help/PEMProV3/index.html?astrophysicsgtocp3.html

-Ray

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Penkala
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 12:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP1200 & SharpCap 4.0

[Edited Message Follows]

On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 02:19 PM, Jeffc wrote:

Coment is in red.


I’m not an expert on PemPro PEC curve generation .. however…

I let it acquire data for 11 cycles. (With PEC off). PemPro does some curve smoothing etc.

Then created the curve.

Then turned PEC ON and acquired another 3 cycles (it was getting late). Note Tthis is with PEC ON.

Then did the analyze and created another curve with the PEC ON data (but didn’t send it to the
mount)….

This second curve was literally flat. (Attached a screenshot) I would have thought there should have
been some sort of curve generated. Do you have to change your graph scale to see the actual curve maybe?
Again I don’t know PemPro so I’m just asking a question is all here.

It was late and I was a bit brain fogged so I’ll need to review all this earlier in the night. (Now that the moon is
big, now is the time to do this.)





Re: AP1200 & SharpCap 4.0

Jeffc
 



On Feb 13, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Dale Penkala <dalepenkala@...> wrote:

 I would have thought there should have been some sort of curve generated. Do you have to change your graph scale to see the actual curve maybe?

Good question.   

Two things about this.  

1) when I was acquiring data with PEC ON there was definitely some variation of the Y data point due to seeing and (I assume) DEC drift.   It’s definitely not like PemPro was just locked on to a hot pixel. (Also the star used was fairly large covering say 25 pixels square.).  Seeing was probly  “average” , I think not great.  

Point being - I am pretty sure PemPro was acquiring data during the PEC ON run.  

2) in the image I attached (PEC ON - after generating curve from raw data) I have cranked the Y scale all the way down to 0.5 arcsecs.    Normally with PEC OFF there would be at least something like +/- 2 arcsec curve.  

Hence I’m concluding the PEC acquire and generate (and store curve) was successful.  

=== ===
That said there was one additional oddity — when I went to shutdown the mount I sent it to Park 4.   It ended up about 15 degrees past park 4 in RA.  

I then did a status -> mount on the keypad and it said it was an 1100.   Maybe I messed something up on initial boot up after installing the chip.  

-jeff


Re: Copying APPM Pointing Model to new computer

 

Hi Larry

the model is default to save to this path:
image.png

There aren't any differences between versions of APCC regarding the model, afaik

when you load the model, you should make sure to slew to zenith and solve/recal to sync the model (zenith i think, or perhaps celestial equator/meridian. not sure that makes a difference)

Brian

On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 2:29 PM Larry Phillips <llp41astro@...> wrote:
Ray or others, I have asked this question before but do not remember.  Where do I find the current pointing model on a current computer and to where do I copy it on a new computer?  I copied what I thought was correct, but the error data do not agree.  This is going from version 1.9.0.11 to 1.9.3.3.  Do the two versions interpret the data differently?

Larry



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Copying APPM Pointing Model to new computer

Larry Phillips
 

Ray or others, I have asked this question before but do not remember.  Where do I find the current pointing model on a current computer and to where do I copy it on a new computer?  I copied what I thought was correct, but the error data do not agree.  This is going from version 1.9.0.11 to 1.9.3.3.  Do the two versions interpret the data differently?

Larry


Re: AP1200 & SharpCap 4.0

Dale Penkala
 
Edited

On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 02:19 PM, Jeffc wrote:

    Coment is in red.
I’m not an expert on PemPro PEC curve generation .. however… 
 
I let it acquire data for 11 cycles.  (With PEC off).   PemPro does some curve smoothing etc.  
 
Then created the curve.  
 
Then turned PEC ON and acquired another 3 cycles (it was getting late).   Note Tthis is with PEC ON. 
 
Then did the analyze and created another curve with the PEC ON data (but didn’t send it to the mount)….   
 
This second curve was literally flat.  (Attached a screenshot) I would have thought there should have been some sort of curve generated. Do you have to change your graph scale to see the actual curve maybe? Again I don’t know PemPro so I’m just asking a question is all here.
It was late and I was a bit brain fogged so I’ll need to review all this earlier in the night.  (Now that the moon is big, now is the time to do this.)
 

 
 

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