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Re: Insurance for AP Mounts

Mike Dodd
 

On 12/29/2021 7:44 PM, Dale Ghent wrote:
Oh, and the usual insurance games such as loss coverage not applying because of specific causes like flooding (either natural or from things like a backed-up sewer/septic) and such will be part of the game.
For my amateur radio hobby, I pay $108 for an insurance policy that covers all my ham gear, about $7,800 worth, for one year. The premium rate of $1.40/$100 has not changed for three years. The policy covers equipment (per the website) "...on a replacement cost basis. Coverage is all risk with few exclusions."

These policies are offered to members of the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), and underwritten by Risk Strategies Company in Chicago.

I wonder if any amateur astronomy association has or might be willing to offer similar policies.

--- Mike


Re: Insurance for AP Mounts

Dale Ghent
 


Oh, and the usual insurance games such as loss coverage not applying because of specific causes like flooding (either natural or from things like a backed-up sewer/septic) and such will be part of the game.

The case of floods causes by a public sewer backup can get interesting depending on where you live. Sometimes your sewer authority will cover cleanup and deprecated value of what was lost, but if you take that payout, you can’t also file an insurance claim on the list items, and vice versa. It’s literally a shitty situation to be in because you’ve got a basement full of actual crap and you have to make a sort of snap decision on who will give you the better payout so you can begin rebuilding. 

On Dec 29, 2021, at 19:35, Dale Ghent <daleg@...> wrote:


You can declare your astronomy gear on a rider that will usually cover loss and theft. However it won’t protect the gear if you’re sued and “they” come for your assets, which is what “Umbrella insurance” will cover. As always, talk with your agent about which options work best for your situation. 

On Dec 29, 2021, at 18:59, psparkman via groups.io <psparkman@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a non-technical question.  I have an AP1100, and and AP1600 mount.  We know what these mounts are worth.  My home owners policy only covers non-scheduled items up to $5000k, which is much less than these mounts are worth.  What does everyone do for insurance on these higher value items?


Re: Insurance for AP Mounts

Pete Mumbower
 

I put my AP1100 (and everything in my observatory) on a separate rider that costs roughly $600/yr (State Farm). Just needed to itemize and declare the paid value for it all, took a bit of time to do and was an eye opener on how much I have spent over the last couple decades!


Re: Insurance for AP Mounts

Dale Ghent
 

You can declare your astronomy gear on a rider that will usually cover loss and theft. However it won’t protect the gear if you’re sued and “they” come for your assets, which is what “Umbrella insurance” will cover. As always, talk with your agent about which options work best for your situation. 

On Dec 29, 2021, at 18:59, psparkman via groups.io <psparkman@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a non-technical question.  I have an AP1100, and and AP1600 mount.  We know what these mounts are worth.  My home owners policy only covers non-scheduled items up to $5000k, which is much less than these mounts are worth.  What does everyone do for insurance on these higher value items?


Re: 1600GTO Encoder LED Color #Absolute_Encoders

W Hilmo
 

The read heads for the encoders are standard Renishaw parts (packaged by Astro-Physics to fit your mount).  You can go to the Renishaw web site and download the documentation for them.  I did that at one point, but it was many years ago, so I don't have a direct link handy.

The color coding on the read heads is an indication of signal strength.  There are 4 possible colors.  In order of strongest to weakest signal, they are blue, green, orange and red.  If you run the mount's axes all the way around, you'll probably see that the color changes periodically as the read head passes over different parts of the encoder wheel.

I installed the encoders on my mount myself.  After the initial install, I got lots of orange, and a few red, spots on each encoder.  I was able to make some simple adjustments on each read head and got all green and blue indications.  I've not had to adjust them since, even though I transport this mount fairly often.

If you get an orange status for lots of positions of the axis, it might be worth contacting George at Astro-Physics for assistance with adjusting them.  It is quite easy (it took me about 10 minutes to adjust both read heads when I installed mine).  If you get mostly green and blue indications when you run the axis all the way around, with just a couple blips of orange, it might not be worth playing with it.  The read heads will still work just fine with an orange indicator.  If you get red indications when you run the mount all the way around, that would be something that should be adjusted.

-Wade

On 12/29/21 3:50 PM, psparkman via groups.io wrote:
Hello,

I recently bought a used 1600 with AE from the original owner.  It is raining here in California, so I have not been able to use it to image yet, but have been testing it in the garage.  Using APCC-Pro, I hooked it up and played with it.  I don't get any errors, and the AE tab is available and the encoders are enabled.  I noticed that there is a Green LED showing on the RA AE cover, but the DEC AE cover led is orange.  Is this normal, or is something set up incorrectly?


Re: Insurance for AP Mounts

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

My home-owners does not have a limit for non-scheduled items, but it is only going to cover things like theft and fire. Having it destroyed by a roaming grizzly bear at night... maybe. Having it destroyed because I left it outside with the sprinklers on, definitely not (ok, so that might not destroy it, but you get the idea - a mea culpa of some sort). 

Your insurer will happily add it on a rider, I suspect, but like expensive camera gear (which I've thought about for years), getting it insured for the most likely things that will cause a loss (in my case user error of some sort) is hard, or expensive, or both.  So I just self-insure.

So I'm curious if people have better solutions.


Insurance for AP Mounts

Patrick Sparkman
 

Hi everyone,

I have a non-technical question.  I have an AP1100, and and AP1600 mount.  We know what these mounts are worth.  My home owners policy only covers non-scheduled items up to $5000k, which is much less than these mounts are worth.  What does everyone do for insurance on these higher value items?


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 06:52 PM, Dale Ghent wrote:
Ah ok. I've fixed this by taking the same kind of flat-bladed screwdriver and bending the leaf up through the front of the buggy connector, then click in the connector. Sometimes you get a random one where, for whatever reason, the leaf needs to be goaded into doing its job with a little bendy bendy (I buy pre-mated powerpole connectors, so I hate throwing 1 away just because one side's contact is balky)
Indeed that might have worked, but like bad USB cables, one failure and they go in the trash. 

Baseball batters may get three strikes, but cheap stuff that a night's imaging depends on only gets one.  :) 


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

Peter Nagy
 

Hopefully this will fix your issues once and for all.

Peter


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

Dale Ghent
 

Ah ok. I've fixed this by taking the same kind of flat-bladed screwdriver and bending the leaf up through the front of the buggy connector, then click in the connector. Sometimes you get a random one where, for whatever reason, the leaf needs to be goaded into doing its job with a little bendy bendy (I buy pre-mated powerpole connectors, so I hate throwing 1 away just because one side's contact is balky)

On Dec 29, 2021, at 18:47, ap@... wrote:

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 06:39 PM, Dale Ghent wrote:
The contact wasn't pushed in all the way and the "hook" of the contact wasn't slid up and over the end of the metal leaf that's part of the connector housing. A firm push in from the rear using a small flat-bade screwdriver would fix that up. You will hear a faint click when the hook slides over the end of the leaf inside the connector there, as the black/neutral has done.
I get the concept, but repeatedly pushing it in, getting the click, were followed by a relatively gentle tug on the cord having it un-click and slide off. And yes, I also tried pushing it in with a screw driver more firmly.

Not my first time assembling them.

Newly made one does not budge even with a hard yank.


1600GTO Encoder LED Color #Absolute_Encoders

Patrick Sparkman
 

Hello,

I recently bought a used 1600 with AE from the original owner.  It is raining here in California, so I have not been able to use it to image yet, but have been testing it in the garage.  Using APCC-Pro, I hooked it up and played with it.  I don't get any errors, and the AE tab is available and the encoders are enabled.  I noticed that there is a Green LED showing on the RA AE cover, but the DEC AE cover led is orange.  Is this normal, or is something set up incorrectly?


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 06:39 PM, Dale Ghent wrote:
The contact wasn't pushed in all the way and the "hook" of the contact wasn't slid up and over the end of the metal leaf that's part of the connector housing. A firm push in from the rear using a small flat-bade screwdriver would fix that up. You will hear a faint click when the hook slides over the end of the leaf inside the connector there, as the black/neutral has done.
I get the concept, but repeatedly pushing it in, getting the click, were followed by a relatively gentle tug on the cord having it un-click and slide off.  And yes, I also tried pushing it in with a screw driver more firmly.

Not my first time assembling them.  

Newly made one does not budge even with a hard yank.


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

 

Yep, hearing the click is key

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 3:39 PM Dale Ghent <daleg@...> wrote:

The contact wasn't pushed in all the way and the "hook" of the contact wasn't slid up and over the end of the metal leaf that's part of the connector housing. A firm push in from the rear using a small flat-bade screwdriver would fix that up. You will hear a faint click when the hook slides over the end of the leaf inside the connector there, as the black/neutral has done.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 13:40, ap@... wrote:
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> For those bored enough to be following along at home....
>
> I have a possible new theory.  I noticed a bit of play last evening in the powerpole connection from the power supply to the distribution bus on the tripod, and on inspection I have a defective connector, not sure if it is the interior pin or the external clip, but you can see below that the metal crimped-on insert that usually extends forward and clamps over the flat metal strip in the (red) connector is back from it.
>
> I can move it forward and it will "click" down over it, but as soon as it is mated and then disconnected, it pops back.  So it is quite possible this is loose against the feed connector and breaks contact.
>
> Why it would do so at 3:39am twice is above my pay grade, but Murphy does work nights, and at least this is a potential cause.
>
> Since not sure which is the problem going to crimp on a new connector.  This is the first powerpole connector I have ever had issues with.  Not 100% sure this is my problem but... .fix the known issue first is a basic engineering principle, right below "hit it with a bigger hammer".
>
> And "Problems are always in the last place you look".  :)
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Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

Dale Ghent
 

The contact wasn't pushed in all the way and the "hook" of the contact wasn't slid up and over the end of the metal leaf that's part of the connector housing. A firm push in from the rear using a small flat-bade screwdriver would fix that up. You will hear a faint click when the hook slides over the end of the leaf inside the connector there, as the black/neutral has done.

On Dec 29, 2021, at 13:40, ap@... wrote:

For those bored enough to be following along at home....

I have a possible new theory. I noticed a bit of play last evening in the powerpole connection from the power supply to the distribution bus on the tripod, and on inspection I have a defective connector, not sure if it is the interior pin or the external clip, but you can see below that the metal crimped-on insert that usually extends forward and clamps over the flat metal strip in the (red) connector is back from it.

I can move it forward and it will "click" down over it, but as soon as it is mated and then disconnected, it pops back. So it is quite possible this is loose against the feed connector and breaks contact.

Why it would do so at 3:39am twice is above my pay grade, but Murphy does work nights, and at least this is a potential cause.

Since not sure which is the problem going to crimp on a new connector. This is the first powerpole connector I have ever had issues with. Not 100% sure this is my problem but... .fix the known issue first is a basic engineering principle, right below "hit it with a bigger hammer".

And "Problems are always in the last place you look". :)



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Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 02:47 PM, Woody Schlom wrote:
Based on the photo, I’m thinking the crimped metal part was inserted into the red plastic housing upside-down.  Not a “bad” crimp, but inserted into the red plastic housing upside down.
You would be incorrect.   The blunt looking end is the folded down lip.  If pushed it forward, it does extend and lock down and look identical to the black side, but rather than staying in place, it pops back up and slides back when any tension is put on it (like any tension on the wire as you disconnect, even though primarily I would hold the connector in this case as it is wire-to-wire). 

My GUESS is that the inside is rounded out in some fashion, though it does not show to the eye.   Or it might be something off in the shape of the inside of the red connector.  It just has no strength once it clicks in (and it does).  Normally these things require a tool to lift the lip up to slide off the connector's plate, this one just requires a tug.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 02:49 PM, Peter Nagy wrote:
Actually they are made by Anderson Power. 
You are of course correct, it's just that Powerwerx is the only place I have seen them for sale (I have not searched, there certainly could be others).  I tend to think of them synonymously, but they are not. 

My real point is Amazon is filled with knockoffs, also knockoffs of the crimpers, and by reputation (though I did not try) many of both are of low quality.


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

Peter Nagy
 

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:19 AM, ap@... wrote:
these are real Powerwerx connectors
Actually they are made by Anderson Power. 

https://www.andersonpower.com/us/en/resources/PowerPoleResourcesPage.html

Peter


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

Woody Schlom
 

Based on the photo, I’m thinking the crimped metal part was inserted into the red plastic housing upside-down.  Not a “bad” crimp, but inserted into the red plastic housing upside down.

 

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.  If that’s the problem you might need the PP connector removal tool (yellow handle), or just chop off both connectors and start again – and make sure both are inserted into the plastic housings correctly.

 

Woody

 

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On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 02:00 PM, Peter Nagy wrote:

If you know how to crimp powerpole connectors, I would definitely replace the connectors as shown in your pictures with new ones. 

Already done.  I would have been less surprised if I had a bad crimp, but the crimp was strong, it was the connector at issue.

I have powerpoles everywhere, I generally love them.  And by the way, these are real Powerwerx connectors, not the Amazon knockoffs. 

Now whether this was really the issue... I guess only time will tell. 


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 02:00 PM, Peter Nagy wrote:
If you know how to crimp powerpole connectors, I would definitely replace the connectors as shown in your pictures with new ones. 
Already done.  I would have been less surprised if I had a bad crimp, but the crimp was strong, it was the connector at issue.

I have powerpoles everywhere, I generally love them.  And by the way, these are real Powerwerx connectors, not the Amazon knockoffs. 

Now whether this was really the issue... I guess only time will tell. 


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

Peter Nagy
 

If you know how to crimp powerpole connectors, I would definitely replace the connectors as shown in your pictures with new ones. 

Peter


Re: Power supply question - Powerwerx SPS-30DM

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

For those bored enough to be following along at home.... 

I have a possible new theory.  I noticed a bit of play last evening in the powerpole connection from the power supply to the distribution bus on the tripod, and on inspection I have a defective connector, not sure if it is the interior pin or the external clip, but you can see below that the metal crimped-on insert that usually extends forward and clamps over the flat metal strip in the (red) connector is back from it.

I can move it forward and it will "click" down over it, but as soon as it is mated and then disconnected, it pops back.  So it is quite possible this is loose against the feed connector and breaks contact. 

Why it would do so at 3:39am twice is above my pay grade, but Murphy does work nights, and at least this is a potential cause.

Since not sure which is the problem going to crimp on a new connector.  This is the first powerpole connector I have ever had issues with.  Not 100% sure this is my problem but... .fix the known issue first is a basic engineering principle, right below "hit it with a bigger hammer". 

And "Problems are always in the last place you look".  :) 



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