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Re: Error in APCC pro reading RA encoder on Mach2 #appc #Mach2GTO

Endymion
 

Well not tonight, the Santa Ana winds are here...


Re: Sudden run-away during imaging run #APCC #Guiding

 

Hi John 

>>>I agree that the mount stopping could explain what I saw. The only commands being sent to the mount were from PHD2.  

PHD doesn't start or stop tracking, so it's unlikely that was the cause, but i'm happy to look at your PHD logs


Re: Sudden run-away during imaging run #APCC #Guiding

Endymion
 

Thanks Roland.   A  power glitch might be possible as I have just switched to everything tied to a single power supply instead of having the mount on its own supply.   It's a Powerwerx 30 amp supply so I thought it should handle the load; however, di/dt might be high enough to kick a large spike.   I'll go back to the mount on its own supply in the future.   In the meantime I may be able to find a PHD expert who can decode the log for me in case I have a software issue somewhere.

John 


Re: #APCC and The SkyX #APCC

Lee Dodge
 

Tom,

You are not alone in stumbling over that issue in selecting "Astro-Physics mount" instead of "Ascom mount" with TheSkyX.  One of many not-so-obvious quirks in astrophotography.  

Lee


Re: Virtual Serial Port - Registration Code

Ray Gralak
 

There are no installation logs and I never heard of anyone having the Eltima product ask for a license. I wonder if the installer has been corrupted.

Try this:

1. Uninstall APCC from the computer.
2. Delete the file c:/programdata/Astro-Physics/APCC/settings.apcc
3. Reboot the computer.
4. Download APCC 1.9.0.11 again from the link I just posted erlier.
5. Reinstall APCC.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kalpesh Jasapara
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 6:36 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Virtual Serial Port - Registration Code

Hello Ray,

Thank you so much for your reply.
I checked the add-remove-programs and did not find any software installed by Eltima Software.

The APCC comes up once I go past the registration, but unable to create the Virtual port -- was able to create
COM21 earlier.
I checked for upgrade and found that the latest version is 1.9.0.11 but face the same problem.

Ignoring the registration causes the following error during virtual port creation.


Are there any installation logs that I can provide?

Regards,
-Kalpesh


Re: Lost in space

Roland Christen
 

Yes, you can torque them down. Lock them actually.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Dodge <ldodge12@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2021 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Lost in space

Thanks for the help, Ray and Roland.  I have the clutches tightened as tight as I can get them with my fingers, but I will try to put an allen wrench on them and really torque them down, as I think Roland has said there is no problem with over torqueing.  I do not need to manually swing the scope around, so I would prefer to have the clutches not slip at all.  I am just clumsy in the dark.  Luckily I was smart enough to put lots of bubble wrap around the counter weights, or my head would be in worse shape than it is.  

I had forgotten that home and Park 3 are synonymous, and that I could use the scribed marks at that location.  Hopefully I will remember next time.  Thanks for the help. 

Lee 

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Lost in space

Lee Dodge
 

Thanks for the help, Ray and Roland.  I have the clutches tightened as tight as I can get them with my fingers, but I will try to put an allen wrench on them and really torque them down, as I think Roland has said there is no problem with over torqueing.  I do not need to manually swing the scope around, so I would prefer to have the clutches not slip at all.  I am just clumsy in the dark.  Luckily I was smart enough to put lots of bubble wrap around the counter weights, or my head would be in worse shape than it is.  

I had forgotten that home and Park 3 are synonymous, and that I could use the scribed marks at that location.  Hopefully I will remember next time.  Thanks for the help. 

Lee 


Re: Virtual Serial Port - Registration Code

Kalpesh Jasapara
 

Hello Ray,

Thank you so much for your reply. 
I checked the add-remove-programs and did not find any software installed by Eltima Software.

The APCC comes up once I go past the registration, but unable to create the Virtual port -- was able to create COM21 earlier.
I checked for upgrade and found that the latest version is 1.9.0.11 but face the same problem.

Ignoring the registration causes the following error during virtual port creation.


Are there any installation logs that I can provide?

Regards,
-Kalpesh


Re: Virtual Serial Port - Registration Code

Ray Gralak
 

Kalpesh,

Also, please make sure you are installing the latest released APCC Pro version (1.9.0.11). Here is the direct link:

https://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Pro_Setup_1.9.0.11.exe

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kalpesh Jasapara
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 4:57 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Virtual Serial Port - Registration Code

Hello,

I have been using the APCC to control the AP1100 for a while, my laptop had some issues.
I am trying to install the APPC Pro again, but it is asking me for the registration code for Virtual Serial Port
ActiveX Control.
Where do I find the code? I do not seem to be able to find it in the original package contents (which has the
PEMPro registration code sticker).

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with regards,
-Kalpesh


Re: Virtual Serial Port - Registration Code

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Kalpesh,

 

There is no such code you should need to enter with APCC.

 

If you manually downloaded and installed any Eltima software product, you must uninstall it from your computer.

 

-Ray

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kalpesh Jasapara
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 4:57 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Virtual Serial Port - Registration Code

 

Hello, 

I have been using the APCC to control the AP1100 for a while, my laptop had some issues.
I am trying to install the APPC Pro again, but it is asking me for the registration code for Virtual Serial Port ActiveX Control.
Where do I find the code? I do not seem to be able to find it in the original package contents (which has the PEMPro registration code sticker).

image.png

with regards,
-Kalpesh


Virtual Serial Port - Registration Code

Kalpesh Jasapara
 

Hello, 

I have been using the APCC to control the AP1100 for a while, my laptop had some issues.
I am trying to install the APPC Pro again, but it is asking me for the registration code for Virtual Serial Port ActiveX Control.
Where do I find the code? I do not seem to be able to find it in the original package contents (which has the PEMPro registration code sticker).

image.png

with regards,
-Kalpesh


Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

M Hambrick
 

I just finished my next trial where I went back to the standard APCC - AP-V2 Driver - MaxIm configuration where I experienced the problem in the first place. The only difference is that I have not yet connected any cameras. With no cameras connected I have experienced no issues with the mount status or position. Note that this is with the ethernet connection.

Next I will try connecting my cameras and see what happens.

I also plan to eventually try running my cameras through a powered USB hub (i.e Icron Ranger 2304), but for now I am just plugging them directly into the USB ports on the laptop.

Mike


Re: Sudden run-away during imaging run #APCC #Guiding

Roland Christen
 

Without digging thru logs, no way to deduce anything. i doubt that the mount would stop on its own unless there was a power glitch or low battery.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Endymion <john.creigh@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2021 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sudden run-away during imaging run #APCC #Guiding

I agree that the mount stopping could explain what I saw. The only commands being sent to the mount were from PHD2.  

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Sudden run-away during imaging run #APCC #Guiding

Endymion
 

I agree that the mount stopping could explain what I saw. The only commands being sent to the mount were from PHD2.  


Re: Lost in space

Roland Christen
 

If you move the 1100 manually with clutches loose, then you have lost the alignment. The encoders do not respond to clutch movements, neither do they respond to you setting the scopes at right angles in a side by side arrangement. In both cases you would need to manually set the mount to the home position.

In your case you can simply send the mount Home (or Park3), then loosen the clutches and manually set the two axes to the homing marks on the sides. Once there, you tighten the clutches and you are good to go. No need to power cycle or mess around further.

The encoders will only read axis movements if the clutches are locked. You can unlock the two gearboxes (disengage the worms) and move the axes manually for balancing and the encoders will keep track of your position and not lose their pointing.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Dodge <ldodge12@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2021 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Lost in space

OK, a variation on the same theme for my AP1100 with absolute encoders.  I was happily imaging on Arp273, even using the pointing and tracking model that I  had made just for that declination (I used +35 and +40 degrees declination).  I was ready to climb out of the dome and take over with my other computer located in a warm building.  I bumped the scope enough to throw it off by a degree or so.  I asked APPM to plate solve and recal.  It tried and failed, even using AllSky.  I remembered that with absolute encoders you could ask the mount to Go Home, which I did.  However, I could not remember what to do after it got to Home.  Then I tried going to Polaris, and doing a recal there (a bad idea). 

What was I supposed to do with the Go Home command?

Lee 

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Lost in space

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Lee,

Assuming the bump caused a clutch slip, homing won't help. Except for the Mach2, the encoder doesn't know the mount position if you move the scope via the clutches.

But to answer your question, homing will automatically do a RECAL, so if the clutch had not slipped, the mount would be pointing to correct coordinates.

And regarding the plate-solver failing to plate solve, next time this happens, try moving the scope 5-10 degrees and solving again. If that still fails, note if there is a failure reason reported by the platesolver, and try to compensate for that (e.g. try a longer exposure if there are not enough stars).

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee Dodge
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Lost in space

OK, a variation on the same theme for my AP1100 with absolute encoders. I was happily imaging on Arp273,
even using the pointing and tracking model that I had made just for that declination (I used +35 and +40 degrees
declination). I was ready to climb out of the dome and take over with my other computer located in a warm
building. I bumped the scope enough to throw it off by a degree or so. I asked APPM to plate solve and recal. It
tried and failed, even using AllSky. I remembered that with absolute encoders you could ask the mount to Go
Home, which I did. However, I could not remember what to do after it got to Home. Then I tried going to Polaris,
and doing a recal there (a bad idea).

What was I supposed to do with the Go Home command?

Lee


Re: Lost in space

Lee Dodge
 

OK, a variation on the same theme for my AP1100 with absolute encoders.  I was happily imaging on Arp273, even using the pointing and tracking model that I  had made just for that declination (I used +35 and +40 degrees declination).  I was ready to climb out of the dome and take over with my other computer located in a warm building.  I bumped the scope enough to throw it off by a degree or so.  I asked APPM to plate solve and recal.  It tried and failed, even using AllSky.  I remembered that with absolute encoders you could ask the mount to Go Home, which I did.  However, I could not remember what to do after it got to Home.  Then I tried going to Polaris, and doing a recal there (a bad idea). 

What was I supposed to do with the Go Home command?

Lee 


Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

Roland Christen
 


Did I understand your previous post correctly that this configuration (MaxIm connected directly to mount via AP-V2 Driver and NOT through APCC) is what you have been using when you experienced the same issue ?
Yes, that is what I have been using. Maxim won't update after a slew. The only difference is that i always have a camera and guider connected. So, maybe I will try using Maxim as you did, without anything else connected. I ran both camera and mount connections thru a powered hub, so maybe that's another variable.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2021 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

Hi Roland

Yes I did. I did two separate slews to objects that I selected from the Catalog tab in the MaxIm DL Observatory Control window. I also parked and then un-parked the mount from MaxIm and in each case the mount status was being correctly picked up in MaxIm.

Did I understand your previous post correctly that this configuration (MaxIm connected directly to mount via AP-V2 Driver and NOT through APCC) is what you have been using when you experienced the same issue ? If so, then the only difference with what I have done is that I am using an ethernet cable, and I believe that you are using USB.

I am not sure that it will make any difference, but until now, I have been running these experiments without my cameras connected. Normally I will have two cameras connected to MaxIm as well as the mount. I plan to check this out as well, but for now, my next experiments will be to try a different ethernet (Cat 6a) cable with the current scenario, then to go back to using APCC.

Mike

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Mount Status Not Updating in MaxIm DL Observatory Control Window

M Hambrick
 

Hi Roland

Yes I did. I did two separate slews to objects that I selected from the Catalog tab in the MaxIm DL Observatory Control window. I also parked and then un-parked the mount from MaxIm and in each case the mount status was being correctly picked up in MaxIm.

Did I understand your previous post correctly that this configuration (MaxIm connected directly to mount via AP-V2 Driver and NOT through APCC) is what you have been using when you experienced the same issue ? If so, then the only difference with what I have done is that I am using an ethernet cable, and I believe that you are using USB.

I am not sure that it will make any difference, but until now, I have been running these experiments without my cameras connected. Normally I will have two cameras connected to MaxIm as well as the mount. I plan to check this out as well, but for now, my next experiments will be to try a different ethernet (Cat 6a) cable with the current scenario, then to go back to using APCC.

Mike


Re: Sudden run-away during imaging run #APCC #Guiding

Roland Christen
 

If the mount stopped tracking the stars will run across your chip at 15 arc sec per second. Maybe the mount didn't run away, just stopped tracking due to any number of external commands.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Endymion <john.creigh@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2021 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sudden run-away during imaging run #APCC #Guiding

No model being used.  Encoders on.

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

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