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Re: GPS Solutions

michael mccann
 

I bet your controlling computers aren’t connected to the internet .
I think I need to learn how to read logs. I need to learn if there is an entry from the mount to its position and correlate it to where Nina is sending it. Or is there a better analysis question/method?


Re: GPS Solutions

Christopher Erickson
 

Like I mentioned afore, I do everything in UT in observatories. Best solution possible.

-Christopher Erickson
Observatory engineer
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com
   

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 2:21 PM fernandorivera3 via groups.io <fernandorivera3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike why not set the CP4, keypad, computer and everything else to UT ??

Fernando


Re: GPS Solutions

fernandorivera3
 

Mike why not set the CP4, keypad, computer and everything else to UT ??

Fernando


Re: GPS Solutions

michael mccann
 

The Canadian solution is more like my Losmandy GPS solution. I’ll look into that first. 
Question : are you using the AA battery box or is there another solution 


On Oct 21, 2021, at 15:49, Glenn <public@...> wrote:



Thanks, Tom. 

 


Re: New beta version of APCC Standard (1.9.1.0) and Pro (1.9.1.1)

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Ray Gralak wrote:

 

> APCC Pro - APPM - Add check box to ASTAP plate solve configuration to use FITS header for RA, Dec, and image scale.

 

I had a bit of time waiting for dark so I ran the prior and beta through 2-3 points in a "run" from APPM (not just the plate solve).

 

As best I can tell it worked perfectly.  Here is the log in the old version:

 

0000390 2021-10-21 19:37:46.472:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, Solve() called.

0000391 2021-10-21 19:37:46.472:      Error, ASTAP Plate Solve, Failed to get FITS dimensions (NAXIS1/NAXIS2)

0000392 2021-10-21 19:37:46.472:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, StartSolve: application path: c:/program files/astap/astap.exe

0000393 2021-10-21 19:37:46.472:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, StartSolve: arguments: -f "C:\Users\ferguson\Documents\Astro-Physics\APPM\Image-APPM-2021-10-21-193634.txt-0002-RA_20.213-DEC_-41.000.fit" -ra 20.1891585182137 -spd 48.9385895224573 -fov 0 -s 1000 -r 5

0000394 2021-10-21 19:37:46.488:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000395 2021-10-21 19:37:46.640:       Info,   State Machine, Entering State=PlateSolveWait

0000396 2021-10-21 19:37:46.702:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000397 2021-10-21 19:37:46.905:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000398 2021-10-21 19:37:47.109:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000399 2021-10-21 19:37:47.311:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000400 2021-10-21 19:37:47.514:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000401 2021-10-21 19:37:47.718:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP has exited.

0000402 2021-10-21 19:37:47.718:       Info,   ASTAP Results, Results Filename = C:\Users\ferguson\Documents\Astro-Physics\APPM\Image-APPM-2021-10-21-193634.txt-0002-RA_20.213-DEC_-41.000.ini

0000403 2021-10-21 19:37:47.719:       Info,   ASTAP Results, PLTSOLVD=T

0

 

Note the "-fov 0" which causes a couple of extra loops, and the "failed to get FITS dimensions".

 

In the new version:

 

0000531 2021-10-21 19:40:50.143:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, Init

0000532 2021-10-21 19:40:50.143:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, Solve() called.

0000533 2021-10-21 19:40:50.143:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, Image scale (arc-secs/pixel): X = 0.793280434129994, Y = 0.793280434129994

0000534 2021-10-21 19:40:50.143:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, NAXIS1/NAXIS2 (pixels) = 4784 / 3194, Image dimensions X/Y  (degrees) = 1.03062828266667 / 0.688090872666667

0000535 2021-10-21 19:40:50.143:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, StartSolve: application path: c:/program files/astap/astap.exe

0000536 2021-10-21 19:40:50.143:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, StartSolve: arguments: -f "C:\Users\ferguson\Documents\Astro-Physics\APPM\Image-APPM-2021-10-21-194002.txt-0001-RA_20.468-DEC_26.570.fit" -ra 20.4524913831812 -spd 116.499133899902 -fov 0.688090872666667 -s 1000 -r 5

0000537 2021-10-21 19:40:50.160:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000538 2021-10-21 19:40:50.334:       Info,   State Machine, Entering State=PlateSolveWait

0000539 2021-10-21 19:40:50.365:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000540 2021-10-21 19:40:50.568:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP is still running.

0000541 2021-10-21 19:40:50.771:       Info, ASTAP Plate Solve, ASTAP has exited.

0000542 2021-10-21 19:40:50.771:       Info,   ASTAP Results, Results Filename = C:\Users\ferguson\Documents\Astro-Physics\APPM\Image-APPM-2021-10-21-194002.txt-0001-RA_20.468-DEC_26.570.ini

0000543 2021-10-21 19:40:50.772:       Info,   ASTAP Results, PLTSOLVD=T

 

In this it has a calculated fov and no error.  The solve time was fast in both cases, but did improve from 1.25s to 0.62s.

 

I didn't have time to do a full model but let it run a couple points and all looked good.

 

Thank you.

 

Linwood

 


Re: APCC error: "FindFeeQacIndex:no free entries!"

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Mike,

That's very interesting. It appears that Startech device uses the Eltima drivers. There might be some sort of version incompatibility.

BTW, the error message means that there are too many outstanding commands queued, probably because the Eltima drivers are broken/ incompatible.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike C
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 10:06 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC error: "FindFeeQacIndex:no free entries!"

I once tried quite hard to get a StarTech Ethernet to Serial converter working to run my APCC from. After it
became clear that I would never get rid of comm packets getting lost occasionally, I ditched it and went back to
a hard wired connection. However, once the StarTech drivers were installed on the PC, a re-install of APCC
would never work again, the virtual serial ports would never function, and it would get exactly that QacIndex
error. I believe that error is from the virtual serial port software saying it can't do something.

I removed every piece of software related to the StarTech drivers I could find, but the QacIndex error
continued. I wrote AP for technical assistance. George taught me to look in the device manager for hidden
devices. There were some, I removed them and checked their file names and removed all those files manually.
The QacIndex errors continued.

In the end I wiped the PC, reinstalled Win10 and APCC immediately installed and I never saw the error again.


Re: GPS Solutions

Glenn
 

Thanks, Tom. 

 


Re: GPS Solutions

Christopher Erickson
 

Here's another vote for the StarGPS.ca solution.

"Always take the high road. There's less traffic."

-Christopher Erickson
Observatory Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, Hawaii


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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:35 AM Glenn <public@...> wrote:

Here’s another vote for the MGBox v2. It does GPS and environment very well. 


Side question: Has anyone noticed a conflict between the the MGBox v2 and the Pegasus Astro Ultimate PowerBox v2 (UPBv2), where use of the two together results in blocking or deactivation of the MGBox’s GPS functionality? When I bypass the UPBv2, the GPS functionality of the MGBox returns. Weird. 


Glenn


Re: GPS Solutions

Tom Blahovici
 

Comport conflict. The mgbox doesn't show any gps values if the comport is in use by something else nor does it return an error.
Tom


Re: GPS Solutions

Glenn
 

Here’s another vote for the MGBox v2. It does GPS and environment very well. 


Side question: Has anyone noticed a conflict between the the MGBox v2 and the Pegasus Astro Ultimate PowerBox v2 (UPBv2), where use of the two together results in blocking or deactivation of the MGBox’s GPS functionality? When I bypass the UPBv2, the GPS functionality of the MGBox returns. Weird. 


Glenn


Re: GPS Solutions

Woody Schlom
 

Mike,

In reading the other responses to your question I just realized another potential advantage to the Star-GPS I use. It doesn't need a computer or USB or a cellular connection. It's a stand-alone GPS device that directly feeds the controller.

So you can use it without a computer using just the HC, or with the mount being controlled by SkySafari running from a phone or tablet.

Woody

-----Original Message-----
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Woody Schlom
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 1:45 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GPS Solutions

Mike,

I don't know about the CP4 controller, but I've used two different Star-GPS
units on my Mach1 with CP3. These are tiny little GPS antennas you stick
somewhere where they have a view of the sky -- and then there's a thin cable
that comes out of the unit, goes to a AA battery power supply, and finally into
a DB-9 RS-232 port on your mount.

With the old CP3 controllers, they had a built-in 6v power port that worked
perfectly with the Star-GPS, but I understand that external power supply port
is gone now with the CP4. So you'd need the newer Star-GPS with its own AA
battery power supply. And I suspect that's the only one you can buy now.

These are made in Canada and you night have to order directly online from
them. The actual GPS unit is standard, then you order the correct cable for
your specific mount. One cable is included in the purchase price I think.

There's a little flashing L.E.D. light in the GPS antenna that lets you know what
it's doing (searching for a fix, has a fix, has sent the data to your mount). I
then set my AP HC to accept external time/date/location data.

I put a little Velcro patch on the bottom of my Star-GPS antenna, and then a
matching Velcro patch on the top of my scopes. Of course, once the data is
fed to your mount, you no longer need it connected and can completely
remove it -- until the next time you fire the system up..

Woody

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf
Of michael mccann via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:58 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] GPS Solutions

Hi
I’m looking for a GPS solution that I can use with GTOCP4 or windows.
Preferably something I can use with GTOCP4. My issue is that I’m so
close to AZ and NM border my internet, a mobile phone, can’t always
decide whether or not I’m in pacific or mountain time zone. I use the
GPS device Losmandy sells for my G11. I’d like to hear everyone’s
favorite solution for GTOCP4. I wonder also if there’s a way to adapt
the Losmandy GPS to connect to GTOCP4.

Cheers

Mike






Re: GPS Solutions

Woody Schlom
 

Mike,

I don't know about the CP4 controller, but I've used two different Star-GPS units on my Mach1 with
CP3. These are tiny little GPS antennas you stick somewhere where they have a view of the sky -- and then there's a thin cable that comes out of the unit, goes to a AA battery power supply, and finally into a DB-9 RS-232 port on your mount.

With the old CP3 controllers, they had a built-in 6v power port that worked perfectly with the Star-GPS, but I understand that external power supply port is gone now with the CP4. So you'd need the newer Star-GPS with its own AA battery power supply. And I suspect that's the only one you can buy now.

These are made in Canada and you night have to order directly online from them. The actual GPS unit is standard, then you order the correct cable for your specific mount. One cable is included in the purchase price I think.

There's a little flashing L.E.D. light in the GPS antenna that lets you know what it's doing (searching for a fix, has a fix, has sent the data to your mount). I then set my AP HC to accept external time/date/location data.

I put a little Velcro patch on the bottom of my Star-GPS antenna, and then a matching Velcro patch on the top of my scopes. Of course, once the data is fed to your mount, you no longer need it connected and can completely remove it -- until the next time you fire the system up..

Woody

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of
michael mccann via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:58 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] GPS Solutions

Hi
I’m looking for a GPS solution that I can use with GTOCP4 or windows.
Preferably something I can use with GTOCP4. My issue is that I’m so close to
AZ and NM border my internet, a mobile phone, can’t always decide whether
or not I’m in pacific or mountain time zone. I use the GPS device Losmandy
sells for my G11. I’d like to hear everyone’s favorite solution for GTOCP4. I
wonder also if there’s a way to adapt the Losmandy GPS to connect to
GTOCP4.

Cheers

Mike



Re: GPS Solutions

Jeffc
 


I also use a MGBox v2 here.  (Seemed a bit speedy but it seems to work fine, and there’s Ascom drivers.)
MGBox v2 also does “environment” - temp and humidity which I’m told APPM can use.  

I read here that the “environment sensor dongles” attached to a USB port of the laptop can give incorrect readings influenced by heat from the laptop.  So at least use a cable and position it away from the laptop. 



Re: APCC error: "FindFeeQacIndex:no free entries!"

Mike C
 

I once tried quite hard to get a StarTech Ethernet to Serial converter working to run my APCC from.  After it became clear that I would never get rid of comm packets getting lost occasionally, I ditched it and went back to a hard wired connection. However, once the StarTech drivers were installed on the PC,  a re-install of APCC would never work again, the virtual serial ports would never function, and it would get exactly that QacIndex error.  I believe that error is from the virtual serial port software saying it can't do something. 

I removed every piece of software related to the StarTech drivers I could find, but the QacIndex error continued. I wrote AP for technical assistance. George taught me to look in the device manager for hidden devices. There were some, I removed them and checked their file names and removed all those files manually. The QacIndex errors continued.

In the end I wiped the PC, reinstalled Win10 and APCC immediately installed and I never saw the error again.


Re: GPS Solutions

Bill Long
 

Another vote for the MGBox v2. Gets you all the data you need for APCC/APPM modeling as well. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 8:15 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] GPS Solutions
 
Hi Mike

i use MGBox v2 for my CP4, which has a lot of other features including GPS https://www.astromi.ch/product/mgbox-v2/

Another option i use is for a windows computer - i picked up a USB GPS and use NMeaTime which is a great GPS-only solution for PC. I use this for accurate time for satellite tracking. 


hth

Brian


On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:57 AM michael mccann via groups.io <mmccawsprojects=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi
I’m looking for a GPS solution that I can use with GTOCP4 or windows.  Preferably something I can use with GTOCP4.  My issue is that I’m so close to AZ and NM border my internet, a mobile phone, can’t always decide whether or not I’m in pacific or mountain time zone. I use the GPS device Losmandy sells for my G11.  I’d like to hear everyone’s favorite solution for GTOCP4. I wonder also if there’s a way to adapt the Losmandy GPS to connect to GTOCP4. 

Cheers

Mike







--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Mach2 DEC axis movement.

Stacey Mills
 

Sorry, I didn't take any pictures. You'll have to remove both covers and then you'll see the two hex bolts below the drive assembly "box."  You can't miss it. 

-Stacey


APCC error: "FindFeeQacIndex:no free entries!"

Claude Benoit
 

Occasionally I receive a "FindFeeQacIndex:no free entries!" error, I don't know what it means or the cause of it. I'm usually not at the scope when the error shows up so I can't confirm where it is pointing. When the error occurs I can clear the error, park the mount and start over and everything is back to normal. I've had the error occur a few times. I'm concerned I may be damaging something. Oh, and the Fault Triggered: MotorStall appeared when  I requested a slew when the mount was parked, hope that didn't cause damage either.



Thank you for your help.
Claude


APCC error: "FindFeeQacIndex:no free entries!"

Claude Benoit
 

Occasionally I receive a "FindFeeQacIndex:no free entries!" error, I don't know what it means or the cause of it. I'm usually not at the scope when the error shows up so I can't confirm where it is pointing. When the error occurs I can clear the error, park the mount and start over and everything is back to normal. I've had the error occur a few times. I'm concerned I may be damaging something. Oh, and the Fault Triggered: MotorStall appeared when  I requested a slew when the mount was parked, hope that didn't cause damage either.



Thank you for your help.
Claude


Re: Mach2 DEC axis movement.

mjb87@...
 

Thanks, Stacey. I can confirm as Roland says that my small movement (not "slop"!!) does not interfere with tracking. However, I would like to confirm no bolts are loose. As a picture is worth a thousand words, could you perhaps post one if you have it?

Marty


Re: GPS Solutions

Dale Ghent
 

I would definitely go with a USB/serial GPS + NMEATime2 on your computer and make sure that the Astro-Physics ASCOM driver or APCC, whichever one you use, is set to sync the CP's clock with the PC's. GPS -> PC -> mount

Since it seems that you do have cell phone access, you can also consider just tethering your laptop to the phone and using an NTP client such as Dimension4 to sync the laptop's clock to a time server. Need to be careful about this, though, as Windows might see that it can get out to the net and try to download updates and stuff, which could blow up your data plan.

/dale

On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:15, Brian Valente <bvalente@...> wrote:

Hi Mike

i use MGBox v2 for my CP4, which has a lot of other features including GPS https://www.astromi.ch/product/mgbox-v2/

Another option i use is for a windows computer - i picked up a USB GPS and use NMeaTime which is a great GPS-only solution for PC. I use this for accurate time for satellite tracking.

https://www.visualgps.net/#nmeatime2-content

hth

Brian


On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:57 AM michael mccann via groups.io <mmccawsprojects@...> wrote:
Hi
I’m looking for a GPS solution that I can use with GTOCP4 or windows. Preferably something I can use with GTOCP4. My issue is that I’m so close to AZ and NM border my internet, a mobile phone, can’t always decide whether or not I’m in pacific or mountain time zone. I use the GPS device Losmandy sells for my G11. I’d like to hear everyone’s favorite solution for GTOCP4. I wonder also if there’s a way to adapt the Losmandy GPS to connect to GTOCP4.

Cheers

Mike







--
Brian



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