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Re: For APCC

Roland Christen
 

That's fine. Not necessary to cycle power, but it doesn't hurt to do so.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: michael mccann via groups.io <mmccawsprojects@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2021 11:17 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] For APCC

Thanks Roland
I had to make sure I wasn’t going complicate things so I had turned the mount power switch off before it came back on.  Mainly the power had come back on for ~15 minutes then went off for nearly 3 hours.  Sure to insure electrical surges aren’t going to damage anything, I shut and unplugged everything.

Thanks again 

Mike 


On Oct 12, 2021, at 09:49, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:



How should one recover when APCC and the mount aren’t in sync?
The mount automatically recovers after a power loss. It knows exactly where it is pointed the moment power is restored. There's no such thing as APCC and mount not being in sync.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: michael mccann via groups.io <mmccawsprojects@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2021 10:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] For APCC

Ok.  I watched that presentation you gave on TAIC, The astrophotography imaging channel.  So I assumed that had been an old directory you placed under that link. 
Thanks for getting back to me.  
I had lost power last night. How should one recover when APCC and the mount aren’t in sync?
Cheers 


On Oct 12, 2021, at 09:28, Ray Gralak <iogroups@...> wrote:


Hi Michael,
 
> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,
> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from
> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >
> Astronomy > APCC
>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.
 
There was no oversight, but we will be updating some of the videos soon. Videos are the most costly to keep up to date, so they usually don’t get updated very often. (BTW, I created most of the videos, so it is my SmugMug account.)
 
The primary resource for APCC is the help that comes with the software, which includes a PDF file and a Windows help file (CHM). If you haven't noticed, most of APCC's windows and group boxes have a small button in the upper right corner with a "?". Clicking that button will open help for that part of APCC.
 
See this screenshot for an example:
 
<image001.png>
 
And of course, additional resources include posting to this forum, or giving A-P a phone call.
 
-Ray
 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 4:53 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: [ap-gto] For APCC
>
> Hi
> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,
> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from
> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >
> Astronomy > APCC
>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.
>
> Help pages are great!
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
 

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: RA Mesh adjustment for 2104 model Mach 1 GTO

nicholas
 

Yeah that sounds like the method to use and likely would have worked last time had I calibrated correctly rather than using the calibration restore function.


Re: For APCC

michael mccann
 

Thanks Roland
I had to make sure I wasn’t going complicate things so I had turned the mount power switch off before it came back on.  Mainly the power had come back on for ~15 minutes then went off for nearly 3 hours.  Sure to insure electrical surges aren’t going to damage anything, I shut and unplugged everything.

Thanks again 

Mike 


On Oct 12, 2021, at 09:49, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:



How should one recover when APCC and the mount aren’t in sync?
The mount automatically recovers after a power loss. It knows exactly where it is pointed the moment power is restored. There's no such thing as APCC and mount not being in sync.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: michael mccann via groups.io <mmccawsprojects@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2021 10:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] For APCC

Ok.  I watched that presentation you gave on TAIC, The astrophotography imaging channel.  So I assumed that had been an old directory you placed under that link. 
Thanks for getting back to me.  
I had lost power last night. How should one recover when APCC and the mount aren’t in sync?
Cheers 


On Oct 12, 2021, at 09:28, Ray Gralak <iogroups@...> wrote:


Hi Michael,
 
> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,
> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from
> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >
> Astronomy > APCC
>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.
 
There was no oversight, but we will be updating some of the videos soon. Videos are the most costly to keep up to date, so they usually don’t get updated very often. (BTW, I created most of the videos, so it is my SmugMug account.)
 
The primary resource for APCC is the help that comes with the software, which includes a PDF file and a Windows help file (CHM). If you haven't noticed, most of APCC's windows and group boxes have a small button in the upper right corner with a "?". Clicking that button will open help for that part of APCC.
 
See this screenshot for an example:
 
<image001.png>
 
And of course, additional resources include posting to this forum, or giving A-P a phone call.
 
-Ray
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of michael mccann via groups.io
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 4:53 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: [ap-gto] For APCC
>
> Hi
> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,
> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from
> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >
> Astronomy > APCC
>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.
>
> Help pages are great!
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
 

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: For APCC

Roland Christen
 


How should one recover when APCC and the mount aren’t in sync?
The mount automatically recovers after a power loss. It knows exactly where it is pointed the moment power is restored. There's no such thing as APCC and mount not being in sync.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: michael mccann via groups.io <mmccawsprojects@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2021 10:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] For APCC

Ok.  I watched that presentation you gave on TAIC, The astrophotography imaging channel.  So I assumed that had been an old directory you placed under that link. 
Thanks for getting back to me.  
I had lost power last night. How should one recover when APCC and the mount aren’t in sync?
Cheers 


On Oct 12, 2021, at 09:28, Ray Gralak <iogroups@...> wrote:


Hi Michael,
 
> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,
> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from
> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >
> Astronomy > APCC
>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.
 
There was no oversight, but we will be updating some of the videos soon. Videos are the most costly to keep up to date, so they usually don’t get updated very often. (BTW, I created most of the videos, so it is my SmugMug account.)
 
The primary resource for APCC is the help that comes with the software, which includes a PDF file and a Windows help file (CHM). If you haven't noticed, most of APCC's windows and group boxes have a small button in the upper right corner with a "?". Clicking that button will open help for that part of APCC.
 
See this screenshot for an example:
 
<image001.png>
 
And of course, additional resources include posting to this forum, or giving A-P a phone call.
 
-Ray
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of michael mccann via groups.io
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 4:53 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: [ap-gto] For APCC
>
> Hi
> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,
> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from
> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >
> Astronomy > APCC
>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.
>
> Help pages are great!
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
 

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: For APCC

michael mccann
 

Ok.  I watched that presentation you gave on TAIC, The astrophotography imaging channel.  So I assumed that had been an old directory you placed under that link. 
Thanks for getting back to me.  
I had lost power last night. How should one recover when APCC and the mount aren’t in sync?
Cheers 


On Oct 12, 2021, at 09:28, Ray Gralak <iogroups@...> wrote:



Hi Michael,

 

> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,

> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from

> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >

> Astronomy > APCC

>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.

 

There was no oversight, but we will be updating some of the videos soon. Videos are the most costly to keep up to date, so they usually don’t get updated very often. (BTW, I created most of the videos, so it is my SmugMug account.)

 

The primary resource for APCC is the help that comes with the software, which includes a PDF file and a Windows help file (CHM). If you haven't noticed, most of APCC's windows and group boxes have a small button in the upper right corner with a "?". Clicking that button will open help for that part of APCC.

 

See this screenshot for an example:

 

<image001.png>

 

And of course, additional resources include posting to this forum, or giving A-P a phone call.

 

-Ray

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of michael mccann via groups.io

> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 4:53 AM

> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io

> Subject: [ap-gto] For APCC

>

> Hi

> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,

> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from

> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >

> Astronomy > APCC

>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.

>

> Help pages are great!

>

> Cheers

>

>

>

 


Re: Lost power, APCC flashing’No response from mount’, how best to recover

Ray Gralak
 

Michael,

 

The mount will remember its position when power is lost.  When power is restored you can reconnect to the mount in APCC, and APCC will reinitialize the mount. You can then park the mount, continue with imaging, etc.

 

You can stop the flashing and clear the errors by clicking the “Clear Errors” button in APCC’s Error Log window. Here is a screenshot showing the button to click:

 

 

-Ray

 

> -----Original Message-----

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> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 7:29 AM

> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io

> Subject: [ap-gto] Lost power, APCC flashing’No response from mount’, how best to recover

>

> We lost power to my area for about 4 to 5 hours.

> Mount is weights East, seems to have stop at horizon limit. APCC is flashing TCP button and telescope

> position is flashing ‘No Response From Mount’

> I haven’t found a manual entry covering power loss.  What process would you like users to recover from this

> scenario?

>

> Thanks

>

> Mike

>

>

>

 


Re: For APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Michael,

 

> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,

> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from

> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >

> Astronomy > APCC

>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.

 

There was no oversight, but we will be updating some of the videos soon. Videos are the most costly to keep up to date, so they usually don’t get updated very often. (BTW, I created most of the videos, so it is my SmugMug account.)

 

The primary resource for APCC is the help that comes with the software, which includes a PDF file and a Windows help file (CHM). If you haven't noticed, most of APCC's windows and group boxes have a small button in the upper right corner with a "?". Clicking that button will open help for that part of APCC.

 

See this screenshot for an example:

 

 

And of course, additional resources include posting to this forum, or giving A-P a phone call.

 

-Ray

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of michael mccann via groups.io

> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 4:53 AM

> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io

> Subject: [ap-gto] For APCC

>

> Hi

> I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014,

> and Beta 0.99.54.  The videos are linked from

> https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug >

> Astronomy > APCC

>  Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.

>

> Help pages are great!

>

> Cheers

>

>

>

 


Lost power, APCC flashing’No response from mount’, how best to recover

michael mccann
 

We lost power to my area for about 4 to 5 hours.
Mount is weights East, seems to have stop at horizon limit. APCC is flashing TCP button and telescope position is flashing ‘No Response From Mount’
I haven’t found a manual entry covering power loss. What process would you like users to recover from this scenario?

Thanks

Mike


Re: Mach2 with TEC180 for visual

Jeff B
 

Cool!


On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 12:28 AM Shailesh Trivedi <strivedi@...> wrote:
Thank you to everyone for your inputs. I have used my TEC180FL on a Paramount MX which I no longer have. The MX had a payload capacity of 90lbs and I reduced the max slew rate and it did take a while to damp out & Tpoint models took a while; after that I have taken > 30 minutes guided subs for many months.

See image. Now I have retrofitted the same pier and it holds an AP1100. I also have an AP Mach2, on a Losmandy FHD tripod. I am sure the TEC180FL will be ok on the AP1100, not sure about the Mach2 though.

Shailesh


Re: Mach2 with TEC180 for visual

Terri Zittritsch
 
Edited

Shailesh, please post how this goes for you!   I just put in an order for a TEC 180  (9 mo wait) and have the mach2.    I've had this discussion with Roland in the past and he suggested the 1100, which I've gotten on the list for, but am still very interested on how the Mach2 might handle things.    After having the Mach2 for some time now, and following some guidance learned here, my guiding / tracking is fabulous on everything up to an 11" edge.      I know my discmount will handle the weight for visual.     What the market lacks is a driven alt-az mount for this size scope at a reasonable price point.    


Terri


Re: Fine tuning PHD2 settings for 1100 with Encoders #Guiding

 

>>>If I look at this output from PHD2 Guiding Assistant, are you saying that my P-P Arc Seconds is the Declination, Peak of 0.73 px (1.44 arc sec)? 

Yes, but p-p can be (and probably is) misleading. if you have a wind gust, bump the mount, cable snag, etc. it could end up artificially increasing p-p when in fact it's not meaningful at all. 
 
>>>If yes, how does this help me determine what MinMo I should use as a starting point? I took this screen shot before I hit the finish button, but it came back and recomended a RA MinMo = 0.20 and a DEC MinMo = 0.30.

It doesn't really. you shouldn't be trying to figure out the min move, that's the whole point of the guiding assistant: to establish min move values (it does other stuff but this is its main purpose). 

i'll have to go back and talk with Bruce (author of PHD) on exactly how he calculates the min moves, but i suspect it's the high frequency RMS values he looks at (look at your screen in upper right)


Brian



On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 12:11 PM Andrew J <andjones132@...> wrote:
Hi Brian.

This is really helpful!! You are right, as a software developer I keep thinking this is just an equation that needs to be solved and all I need is the right inputs. No doubt there is some "artistry" involved. That said, I do want to at least understand what the 'theoretical" settings should be and use those as my starting point.

I think in large part I am just getting hung up on the terminology. If I look at this output from PHD2 Guiding Assistant, are you saying that my P-P Arc Seconds is the Declination, Peak of 0.73 px (1.44 arc sec)? If yes, how does this help me determine what MinMo I should use as a starting point? I took this screen shot before I hit the finish button, but it came back and recomended a RA MinMo = 0.20 and a DEC MinMo = 0.30. 



As mentioned in a previous post, I did another imaging run on Saturday night and all I changed was the aggression on both axis to 0.63 or RA and 0.72 for DEC and my graph fattened out quite a bit. I was able to achive an RMS of 0.23 on one point during the night. I think by relaxing the Aggression it alllowed the encoders to "do their work".

I have been imaging from a permant setup for about 6 years now (previously with a Mach1) and guiding has always been my achillies heel. I get it close enough to get round stars, but have to admit I really don't understand it. Now that I have a mount that can track extreamly accurately, I want to make sure I am using it to its full potential. 

FYI. In case it helps. In addition to the 1100GTO mount, I am also using a  Tele-Vue NP101is. I bought this scope specifically for the 1100's "shack down cruise". I wanted a short scope to give me plenty of room for error around the Pier until I get APCC, SGP, etc. fine tuned. My primay scope is a TEC 140, but I am not putting on until I get everything working together and able I am able to have several all night imaging runs without issue. For guiding, I am use the Baader Vario Finder 10x60 along with AP's bracket to help reduce flexure. Primary camera is an ATIK 16200 and guide cam is a ZWO ASI178MM.

Andrew



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Mach 2 Casual Night

fernandorivera3
 

I imagine there must be very little sky to image; looks like you are deep inside a thick forest 😟

Fernando


For APCC

michael mccann
 

Hi
I’m sure it’s a minor over sight, but the installation help videos are for APCC ver 1.0.0.7 created on 11/2/2014, and Beta 0.99.54. The videos are linked from https://www.Siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/index.html?tips_to_get_the_most_from_APCC to a smugmug > Astronomy > APCC
Your APCC application layout has dramatically changed since those versions.

Help pages are great!

Cheers


Re: Mach2 with TEC180 for visual

fernandorivera3
 

The Monolith by Particle Wave Technology is another great option. What a shame they are no longer in production for about a decade or so. 

Fernando


Re: RA Mesh adjustment for 2104 model Mach 1 GTO

steve.winston@...
 

>yes I was considering the 115 my only concern is I wanted to see how the mount operates with a little more stress of the larger refractor. What do you think?

Ultimately you will want to grab logs for both, but for now just use whatever you have set up and working on your mount.

>@Steve, can you clarify what you mean by Nudge the mount North until the guide star moves a bit (this removes backlash in DEC) ?

Yes, nudging the mount North until the star moves takes up any backlash in DEC and will give you a better calibration and a better GA backlash test results.  You just need to move it a little bit until you see the guide stars move when looping in PHD2 - just tap the N button on the controller a couple of times.

>Roland endorsed # 82090, and you say no to it.  I would like to do exactly what Roland is asking for.

There are many ways to get a graph with guiding disabled.  You can explicitly disable guide output in the Brain.  You can try setting MinMos so big that you never exceed them and PHD2 never issues a guide correction. However, for these tests it is best to just keep things simple:  Running GA allows you to measure multiple things at once - it disables guide output, it measures drift rates, PAE, PE, high frequency star movement (i.e. "seeing"), and if enabled, does a DEC backlash test.  You just don't get all the information at once using any of the other methods.   So for now just do your calibration then do GA and grab the screen shots.



Re: RA Mesh adjustment for 2104 model Mach 1 GTO

Bill Long
 

What Roland asked for is very simple operations of a mount. Dude, read it and do it. Its literally been spelled out for you in perfect English. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of nicholas via groups.io <chironik@...>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] RA Mesh adjustment for 2104 model Mach 1 GTO
 

[Edited Message Follows]

yes I was considering the 115 my only concern is I wanted to see how the mount operates with a little more stress of the larger refractor. What do you think?

@Steve, can you clarify what you mean by Nudge the mount North until the guide star moves a bit (this removes backlash in DEC) ?

Roland endorsed # 82090, and you say no to it.  I would like to do exactly what Roland is asking for. 

(I presume you are just trying to clarify what Roland is asking for. )


Re: RA Mesh adjustment for 2104 model Mach 1 GTO

nicholas
 
Edited

yes I was considering the 115 my only concern is I wanted to see how the mount operates with a little more stress of the larger refractor. What do you think?

@Steve, can you clarify what you mean by Nudge the mount North until the guide star moves a bit (this removes backlash in DEC) ?

Roland endorsed # 82090, and you say no to it.  I would like to do exactly what Roland is asking for. 

(I presume you are just trying to clarify what Roland is asking for. )


Re: Mach2 with TEC180 for visual

Shailesh Trivedi
 

Thank you to everyone for your inputs. I have used my TEC180FL on a Paramount MX which I no longer have. The MX had a payload capacity of 90lbs and I reduced the max slew rate and it did take a while to damp out & Tpoint models took a while; after that I have taken > 30 minutes guided subs for many months.

See image. Now I have retrofitted the same pier and it holds an AP1100. I also have an AP Mach2, on a Losmandy FHD tripod. I am sure the TEC180FL will be ok on the AP1100, not sure about the Mach2 though.

Shailesh


Re: APPM and ASTAP #APCC

Brent Boshart
 

Hi Bill,

I had experienced the same as you are describing.  When I changed "Min. Star Size" under "Plate Solve Settings" from "0" to "1.5" it has worked reliably ever since.  Setting it "0" and it is supposed use the default setting in ASTAP but it did not seem to work for me. 

Brent


Mach 2 Casual Night

Bill Long
 

After it's victory with the big scope, it gets to have a relaxing night, and a delicious banana.

image/jpeg

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