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APCC feature request - Get time from mount

Nick Iversen
 

APCC feature request - Get time from mount.

We can get latitude and longitude from the mount, time is useful too. This is for people who run PCs that are not connected to a network but are connected to a mount that has been initialised with GPS accuracy.

If the mount and the PC have different times then problems like this https://ap-gto.groups.io/g/main/topic/80392492#76045 can occur. I have verified that the problem does not occur if the times are the same.

Regards,
Nick


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Woody Schlom
 

Steve,

 

Yup.  I agree with everything you said.  The super thin copper “Mouse-Mesh” is the only way I’ve found to keep them out of things.  And then I set electronic mouse traps – the ones that zap at a zillion volts.

 

And yes, I’ve found two mice in my electronic traps.  The second one climbed over the rotting dead body of the first – only to get zapped also.

 

Woody

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Panish
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 2:57 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

 

Myth.  Mice really don't care about perfumy odors, or any other as far as I can tell.  They also don't mind living in close proximity to rotting fellow dead mice.  I have a blueberry farm and with massive quantity of fruit comes lots of rodents.   Wire mesh is about all that deters them.  There are some good traps available as well.  If you poison them you will also be poisoning critters that eat the dying mice, and they have a knack for finding a place to crawl into while dying that produces maximum odor if they have gotten inside anything.

 

Steve

 

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 9:51 AM Christopher M <mirfak@...> wrote:

Apparently (haven't tried it but have heard) that regular Irish Spring soap shavings or pieces, placed in ziplock baggies with holes poked to let the scent out, placed around the inside base of the observatory, will keep mice away.  


Re: Pickering's (or Fleming's) Triangle

Steven Panish
 

Beautiful shot Glenn.  The bicolor works.

Steve

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:25 PM Glenn <public@...> wrote:
Any part of the Cygnus loop is a treat for visual astronomers and astrophotographers alike. The many intricacies of its structure make it unique in the night sky.

I shot Pickering's Triangle through narrowband filters with the intent of producing a Hubble palette (SHO) image. However, the SII signal was largely superimposed on the Ha and didn't add anything useful, so I left out the SII and made a bicolor image with the other two filters. Here's the link:

https://astrob.in/lyde7q/B/

Thanks for looking. 

Glenn Diekmann


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Steven Panish
 

Myth.  Mice really don't care about perfumy odors, or any other as far as I can tell.  They also don't mind living in close proximity to rotting fellow dead mice.  I have a blueberry farm and with massive quantity of fruit comes lots of rodents.   Wire mesh is about all that deters them.  There are some good traps available as well.  If you poison them you will also be poisoning critters that eat the dying mice, and they have a knack for finding a place to crawl into while dying that produces maximum odor if they have gotten inside anything.

Steve

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 9:51 AM Christopher M <mirfak@...> wrote:
Apparently (haven't tried it but have heard) that regular Irish Spring soap shavings or pieces, placed in ziplock baggies with holes poked to let the scent out, placed around the inside base of the observatory, will keep mice away.  


Re: Am I going to blow myself up with AC power and a surge protector?

AaronW
 

Thanks, all.  Very helpful.  I believe my outdoor outlet is already GFCI protected but will perform a test to confirm before plugging anything in.

Best,
Aaron

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 4:27 PM M. Collins <aegle_observatory@...> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 03:46 PM, ap@... wrote:

Finally there’s using three different AC -> DC adapters.  I’m a proponent of grounding all of those together so there are no floating voltages against their ground, because if there are, these tend to flow over other connections not intended to carry significant current, notably USB cables. 

  In general, it's not necessary to do more than connect your AC adapters into outlets which are closely coupled, as on a power strip. All AC adapters with two-prong plugs, and most with three prong plugs provide isolation between the DC output and the contacts in an AC outlet. If you use a power strip near the telescope and plug all of the adapters into it, you should have no problems at all. Even if you run an Ethernet cable back into your house, there's little risk of problems because the connections are transformer coupled on each end (meaning that there's no direct path for current to flow from the Ethernet cable to the electronics on either end). USB is a little different since it relies upon current flow at both ends of the cable, so you may not want to run that between your office and telescope, however connections between cameras, filter wheels, computers, etc., at the telescope should not present any issues.

  The recommendation to ensure that you have GFCI protection for any line voltage used outdoors is a good one. An inexpensive ground fault detector is a worthwhile tool for any homeowner. These provide a button that allows a small current to pass between line voltage and ground, which will trip a GFCI if there is one in the circuit. If you plug the tester into an outdoor outlet and the lights on the tester don't go off as soon as the test button is pressed, either the existing GFCI has failed or there wasn't one to begin with. That's not a good thing.

  In many houses, the GFCI protecting outdoor outlets is installed in one of the bathrooms. If you have a GFCI in a bathroom, you can plug a lamp into an outdoor outlet then press the test button the GFCI. If the lamp goes off, the outdoor circuit is properly protected.


Re: What does GTO stand for in A-P mounts (i.e. A-P1100GTO)

CaptMax
 

Go to optics? 


Re: What does GTO stand for in A-P mounts (i.e. A-P1100GTO)

Peter Nagy
 

That was my thought with a missing "o". Maybe it sounds cool and a reference to many automobiles called "GTO".

Peter


Re: What does GTO stand for in A-P mounts (i.e. A-P1100GTO)

Bill Long
 

Go To?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Peter Nagy <topboxman@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 12:21 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] What does GTO stand for in A-P mounts (i.e. A-P1100GTO)
 
Title says it all. Does it stand for "Grand Touring Optics". :-)

Is it based on your favorite cars like Pontiac GTO?

Peter


What does GTO stand for in A-P mounts (i.e. A-P1100GTO)

Peter Nagy
 

Title says it all. Does it stand for "Grand Touring Optics". :-)

Is it based on your favorite cars like Pontiac GTO?

Peter


Reflection in image

Robert Chozick <rchozick@...>
 

What would cause the refections in this image?  It has been suggested to be a reflection in one of the t-thread  or 2 inch extensions.  I also place a 2 inch UV/IR filter at the end of the AP CCDT67 tele compressor.  The order is ZWO 2600 color camera + t-thread extensions  + t-thread to 2 inch adapter + 2 inch extensions + CCDT67 + 2 inch Baader UV/IR filter.   I space it to be a .67 reduction factor.  Any help diagnosing this would be appreciated.

https://pbase.com/rchozick/image/171993637

Image cropped without reflection:


Robert


Shipping box and foam for Mach1

Patrick Spencer
 

Does anyone know if AP still sells boxes and foam that can be used to ship a Mach 1? I know there was a recent discussion about buying boxes for the 1100GTO, but I'm wondering about the Mach1, since it's no longer in production?

Thanks,

Patrick Spencer


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Bill Long
 

Yes if you do that type of work on your scope mounted PC, I'd look at i5 or better NUC computers. Running software for controlling normal DSO imaging these things are perfect low cost and highly effective little boxes. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffc <jeffcrilly@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 9:44 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer
 


> On Sep 26, 2021, at 6:58 AM, Ray Gralak <iogroups@...> wrote:
>
> If you are planning high-speed+high-resolution video capture for solar imaging, then you may want to be careful with the specs of the computer.

Yes.  I was thinking the same after I sent the earlier msg.   Thx for mentioning it.





Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Ray Gralak wrote:

From the log file, I eliminated all possibilities except for manual double-clicking of the park-status on APCC's status bar, which matches the expected
command sequence from that action (two Q commands and the KA).

So, is it possible you had double-clicked the park field in the status bar?
Well, there's some line from Sherlock Holms about what remains after you eliminate all other possibilities being true, so it must be.

First, I didn’t even realize the bottom bar was active, I thought it was status only, so I learned something. At that time I was on a Android phone on an RDP client, where I drag fingers around to zoom into various parts of the screen. It's certainly possible I touched that bar, it's even possible the result was a click or double click though that usually takes more effort as you drag a pointer onto the thing you want to click, then tap it. But it's awkward working on a tiny screen and who knows. And I was half asleep.

I think I also figured out the half empty ASCOM logs, though not entirely. I keep the ASCOM driver set to default to PARK 2, since that's where a safety park will send it from NINA if it detects rain (or at end of sequence), aiming the OTA sideways not up. I keep the APCC set to Park 3, as that's where I load and unload. That means when I manually park, I do it from APCC, which I guess is rather invisible to ASCOM?

So my GUESS is that ASCOM figured out at 10pm that I parked, stopped logging. After 6am NINA parked it at the end of a sequence through ASCOM. I then unparked it in NINA to run another sequence for flats, and it started logging. What I don't quite understand is the 10pm stop was definitely from clicking on a slew-stop (I think) or emergency stop (possibly) in APCC when I realized I needed to go balance things. So not quite sure how ASCOM figured out it was parked.

Anyway, I think the logging being off was from me jumping the line, as it were, and using APCC directly so ASCOM got confused and left logging off even though it was running for hours live and unparked.

I do rather like having two different default park positions, at first that seemed redundant, but it's quite handy.

Thanks for playing Sherlock for my mystery. I learned several things... all this actually started by not remembering to turn off a questionable model, so I got to see how that affected guiding as well. My guess is that smaller model didn’t even cover the section of sky I was in by 5am -- I haven't had a chance to do the whole, entire, cloud free sky since I got the mount. Dry season is coming, I hope....

Thanks again,

Linwood


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Jeffc
 

On Sep 26, 2021, at 6:58 AM, Ray Gralak <iogroups@siriusimaging.com> wrote:

If you are planning high-speed+high-resolution video capture for solar imaging, then you may want to be careful with the specs of the computer.
Yes. I was thinking the same after I sent the earlier msg. Thx for mentioning it.


Re: Pickering's (or Fleming's) Triangle

Glenn
 

Thank you, Andrea.

Glenn


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Jeff,

Thx for the pointer on minix. I’ve seen these and wondered if they were underpowered. Now that I think
about it the minix might be appropriate for mount 2 which I’m thinking will initially be doing mostly solar ha
imaging.
If you are planning high-speed+high-resolution video capture for solar imaging, then you may want to be careful with the specs of the computer. It can take more CPU to handle high megapixel and/or high frame rate video. Also, disk performance will be a factor, so choose a computer with at least a SATA SSD, and maybe even an x4 NVME SSD.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffc
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer

Thx for the pointer on minix. I’ve seen these and wondered if they were underpowered. Now that I think
about it the minix might be appropriate for mount 2 which I’m thinking will initially be doing mostly solar ha
imaging.

As for the 2012 i5 Mac mini… I run SGP, APCC, ASTAP, TheSky5 (old school, I didn’t like X), MGBox,
sharpcap (polar alignment) , UPBV2 , with a QHY-268m camera.


The i5 performance is more than adequate afaict. (I use a separate laptop for processing - Apple Mackbook
Air w/ the M1 processor. The MBA is also used for RemoteDesktop to run SGP, etc, on the MacMini at night.)

-jeff


On Sep 25, 2021, at 7:05 PM, Bill Long <bill@outlook.com> wrote:




CDC and HNSKY Planetariums do not cause any problems on my current MiniX so they should work
well on this one.

SkyX works fine as well, but I do not pan around SkyX looking at the planetarium directly, I only use it
for object lookup which is instant. SkyX Image Link does delay on my MiniX a few seconds longer than a
normal machine would. I have moved over to ASTAP for everything though, which is also practically instant.

-Bill

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Seb@stro
<sebastiendore1@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer

I can also vouch for this particular Minix model. I've been using the J50C-4 Max since last April with no
issue whatsoever. I can indeed run a powerbox advance client, Ascom OCH, APPC, NINA (Canon DSLR),
PHD2 (QHY5III-174M guider), APT (ASI183MC Pro), and SharpCap Pro (Polemaster) all at once and I get a
snappy user experience.

Adding Stellarium to the mix shows the hardware's limit though (GPU is an onchip Intel UHD 605 with
shared memory) and significantly impairs performance. So I just don't run it while imaging.I suspect it would
be the same with other realtime planetarium software.

One thing to account for is the relatively short range of the internal WiFi patch antennas. These are
perfect for indoor usage or if you have an outdoor signal booster in your backyard for example. But in my
case, I just bought 2 of these (watch out for the U.Fl connector type on your wifi adapter if you go this route) :

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07QKF18KM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=
1
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Monted them on a side panel and it almost quadrupled the orignial range around my house (about 70
feet radius now) with no other modifications. Enough to reliably connect to my home router from my backyard
portable setup in most places.

Of course ethernet works just fine too for that matter.

It is true the 12V input is protected and needs to be below about 13.V for it to power on but I found that
to be a problem only with a freshly charged battery. My workaround is to connect and power up evey other
equipment (mainly cameras through the PPBAv, heater bands and the Mach2) before hitting the power on
button. Never had any issue after I started doing that routinely.

Sébastien

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I dont think it would have any problems running all of that. I have a lot of devices on it. Powerbox,
MGBoxV2, PL16803 camera, CFW5-7, Ultrastar, AG Thermal box, Nitecrawler, etc and mine is the older
version with less power.

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Reilly
<sreilly24590@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 4:40 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer


For me with APCC, ACP Expert, MaxIm, FocusMax, and the rest of the automation software/hardware
and weather stuff that may be pushing it for me but then again I often over do the specs to be safe.



-Steve



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:10 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer



I use a MiniX Mini PC that works well. The specific model I use is no longer made, but they have a
newer one:



Amazon.com: MINIX NEO J50C-8SE, 8GB/240GB Intel Pentium Silver Mini PC with Windows 10 Pro (64-
bit) [Dual-Band Wi-Fi/Gigabit Ethernet/4K @ 60Hz/Triple Display/USB-C/Auto Power On/Vesa Mount] :
Electronics
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Works really good, but the one thing to keep in mind is that it really wants a 12v regulated power input.
If the voltage is too high, it wont turn on.



I run Voyager, SkyX, APCC Pro, PHD2, and my AGO Thermal Control software on it no problem. This
one has a better processor than mine as well. The Win 10 Pro they include is authentic as well, which can be a
challenge from some Amazon mini-PC products.



If you decide you want more RAM or storage you can upgrade it. 8GB of memory and 240GB of
storage should be plenty though, IMO.



-Bill






Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Christopher M
 

Apparently (haven't tried it but have heard) that regular Irish Spring soap shavings or pieces, placed in ziplock baggies with holes poked to let the scent out, placed around the inside base of the observatory, will keep mice away.  


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Christopher M
 

In terms of processing power/processor selection, you do not need much for general astrophotography image capture and dome control.  You only really need faster processors when you get into image processing on-board and planetary video.  So if you plan to use the NUC just to capture images, control the mount, track the guide star, etc, then you can get away with something as simple as a Google Playbook.  If you are going to do CMOS with lots of sub frames, then you would want to put more money into the storage.  If you are going to do planetary video with concurrent processing, then you will want to invest more into the processing speed.  I don't have one of these, but Primaluce lab sum up the differences here:  https://www.primalucelab.com/blog/support/eagle4-s-or-pro-which-model-to-choose-quale-modello-scegliere/


Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

Ray Gralak
 

Linwood,

From the log file, I eliminated all possibilities except for manual double-clicking of the park-status on APCC's status bar, which matches the expected command sequence from that action (two Q commands and the KA).

So, is it possible you had double-clicked the park field in the status bar?

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of ap@CaptivePhotons.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 5:20 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP1100AE Unexpected park?

Thanks. Everything's put away, but not firing it up to look until I am operating on more sleep.
OK, I lied, curiosity got the better of rational steps like sleeping. Found the :KA# (at 5:46:33.247) but have no
idea where it came from.

Also, the ASCOM log is weird, it jumps from 20:03 to 6:29 at an unpark, but that's an unpark I did after the
sequence completed and parked so I could do flats. It's way later than my unpark done about 5:56am to fix
the park that occurred then. Weird. But including it.

So here's the logs. Again -- I'm pretty sure I hit some button or did something, too big a coincidence I was
changing things and it parked -- but odd that there was a several minute delay, or seemed to be. I would be
very curious what I did.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCk-aief4JtknRSBNTzKHQwWC-SRiaG4/view?usp=sharing

I also reviewed the rather detailed NINA logs at that time. It was in the middle of a 300s exposure. The
exposure started at 5:46:07 and completed at 5:51:11, so it really was not doing anything at the point it
parked. PHD2 was guiding at the time.

Now sleep.... 😊





Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Thanks. Everything's put away, but not firing it up to look until I am operating on more sleep.
OK, I lied, curiosity got the better of rational steps like sleeping. Found the :KA# (at 5:46:33.247) but have no idea where it came from.

Also, the ASCOM log is weird, it jumps from 20:03 to 6:29 at an unpark, but that's an unpark I did after the sequence completed and parked so I could do flats. It's way later than my unpark done about 5:56am to fix the park that occurred then. Weird. But including it.

So here's the logs. Again -- I'm pretty sure I hit some button or did something, too big a coincidence I was changing things and it parked -- but odd that there was a several minute delay, or seemed to be. I would be very curious what I did.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCk-aief4JtknRSBNTzKHQwWC-SRiaG4/view?usp=sharing

I also reviewed the rather detailed NINA logs at that time. It was in the middle of a 300s exposure. The exposure started at 5:46:07 and completed at 5:51:11, so it really was not doing anything at the point it parked. PHD2 was guiding at the time.

Now sleep.... 😊

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