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Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

Ray Gralak
 

Linwood,

From the log file, I eliminated all possibilities except for manual double-clicking of the park-status on APCC's status bar, which matches the expected command sequence from that action (two Q commands and the KA).

So, is it possible you had double-clicked the park field in the status bar?

-Ray

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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP1100AE Unexpected park?

Thanks. Everything's put away, but not firing it up to look until I am operating on more sleep.
OK, I lied, curiosity got the better of rational steps like sleeping. Found the :KA# (at 5:46:33.247) but have no
idea where it came from.

Also, the ASCOM log is weird, it jumps from 20:03 to 6:29 at an unpark, but that's an unpark I did after the
sequence completed and parked so I could do flats. It's way later than my unpark done about 5:56am to fix
the park that occurred then. Weird. But including it.

So here's the logs. Again -- I'm pretty sure I hit some button or did something, too big a coincidence I was
changing things and it parked -- but odd that there was a several minute delay, or seemed to be. I would be
very curious what I did.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCk-aief4JtknRSBNTzKHQwWC-SRiaG4/view?usp=sharing

I also reviewed the rather detailed NINA logs at that time. It was in the middle of a 300s exposure. The
exposure started at 5:46:07 and completed at 5:51:11, so it really was not doing anything at the point it
parked. PHD2 was guiding at the time.

Now sleep.... 😊





Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Thanks. Everything's put away, but not firing it up to look until I am operating on more sleep.
OK, I lied, curiosity got the better of rational steps like sleeping. Found the :KA# (at 5:46:33.247) but have no idea where it came from.

Also, the ASCOM log is weird, it jumps from 20:03 to 6:29 at an unpark, but that's an unpark I did after the sequence completed and parked so I could do flats. It's way later than my unpark done about 5:56am to fix the park that occurred then. Weird. But including it.

So here's the logs. Again -- I'm pretty sure I hit some button or did something, too big a coincidence I was changing things and it parked -- but odd that there was a several minute delay, or seemed to be. I would be very curious what I did.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCk-aief4JtknRSBNTzKHQwWC-SRiaG4/view?usp=sharing

I also reviewed the rather detailed NINA logs at that time. It was in the middle of a 300s exposure. The exposure started at 5:46:07 and completed at 5:51:11, so it really was not doing anything at the point it parked. PHD2 was guiding at the time.

Now sleep.... 😊


Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Ray said:

The title on that page says this is for mounts "Shipped prior to 11-13-00".
Just to be clear, that's November 13th, 2000 -- almost 21 years ago. :-)
Sigh... the downside of Google, you land mid-page and never even look at the top. ☹

The command to park the mount is ":KA#" in all firmware that can be used with APCC.
Additionally, the mount may auto-park if you disconnect from APCC for a short period, or if the mount loses power. And, if you double-click the park status field in the very lower left of APCC's main window, it will toggle park.
Thanks. Everything's put away, but not firing it up to look until I am operating on more sleep. Clouds and testing a new imaging train kept me awake way too much of the night.


Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

Ray Gralak
 

Note my search for :Me# was based on the last paragraph in this document:

https://astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/command_lang.htm
The title on that page says this is for mounts "Shipped prior to 11-13-00".

Just to be clear, that's November 13th, 2000 -- almost 21 years ago. :-)

The command to park the mount is ":KA#" in all firmware that can be used with APCC.

Additionally, the mount may auto-park if you disconnect from APCC for a short period, or if the mount loses power. And, if you double-click the park status field in the very lower left of APCC's main window, it will toggle park.

-Ray




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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] AP1100AE Unexpected park?

Ray wrote:

I've been staring at logs and cannot figure out why it parked. I see
in APCC logs the unpark dialog and process, but nothing about parking
(I searched for ":Me#" which is what the documentation says does a park, also the "*PARK" command I've
seen when it parks in a position).

There are various ways that the mount can park, but ":Me#" is not one of them. That command moves the
mount East at the current
move rate, which is usually the guide rate. >Also, be careful trying to decipher the commands starting with
"*". Those are commands from the
AP V2 ASCOM driver to APCC, not to the mount. When APCC gets one of those commands, it interprets
them and can do anything from a simple
response to invoking a multi-state operation such as parking.

If you want to zip and post a link to the log files I will take a look. Or, if you desire to look for yourself, you
can search for the reponses
to the :GOS# command. The mount is parked when the first character of the response turns to a "P",
I'm tearing down now to bring it in, will look later after I get some sleep. Thanks for the quick response.

Note my search for :Me# was based on the last paragraph in this document:

https://astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/command_lang.htm

But I'll look as described, and if not found will send off to you. Thanks.

Oddly the AP_ASCOM log ended hours earlier, not sure why.
To save disk space, the ASCOM driver will stop logging a few minutes after the mount parks.
Hmmm... so the ASCOM log ended about 10pm or so, and this all occurred at 5:56am. Does the logging not
restart when the mount unparks? I did park it last night, as soon as I started my first slew I realized I had not
balanced it, so hit emergency stop which does a park. Balanced (it was close), unparked, and the night
continued, but the ascom log stopped around then?





Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

R Botero
 

Check the actions you have set when your mount hits your horizon limits for example. One of them is to Park. 

Also if there was a disconnection between APCC and the mount for a pre-determined length of time (typically 1 min) one of the options is for the mount to Park. I have this set in APCC to Park 2. If for example your PC restarts or crashes the mount will park itself and there will be nothing to show in the log (as far as I understand).

Roberto


Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Ray wrote:

I've been staring at logs and cannot figure out why it parked. I see
in APCC logs the unpark dialog and process, but nothing about parking
(I searched for ":Me#" which is what the documentation says does a park, also the "*PARK" command I've seen when it parks in a position).
There are various ways that the mount can park, but ":Me#" is not one of them. That command moves the mount East at the current
move rate, which is usually the guide rate. >Also, be careful trying to decipher the commands starting with "*". Those are commands from the
AP V2 ASCOM driver to APCC, not to the mount. When APCC gets one of those commands, it interprets them and can do anything from a simple
response to invoking a multi-state operation such as parking.

If you want to zip and post a link to the log files I will take a look. Or, if you desire to look for yourself, you can search for the reponses
to the :GOS# command. The mount is parked when the first character of the response turns to a "P",
I'm tearing down now to bring it in, will look later after I get some sleep. Thanks for the quick response.

Note my search for :Me# was based on the last paragraph in this document:

https://astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/command_lang.htm

But I'll look as described, and if not found will send off to you. Thanks.

Oddly the AP_ASCOM log ended hours earlier, not sure why.
To save disk space, the ASCOM driver will stop logging a few minutes after the mount parks.
Hmmm... so the ASCOM log ended about 10pm or so, and this all occurred at 5:56am. Does the logging not restart when the mount unparks? I did park it last night, as soon as I started my first slew I realized I had not balanced it, so hit emergency stop which does a park. Balanced (it was close), unparked, and the night continued, but the ascom log stopped around then?


Re: AP1100AE Unexpected park?

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Linwood,

I've been staring at logs and cannot figure out why it parked. I see in APCC logs the unpark dialog and
process, but nothing about parking (I searched for ":Me#" which is what the documentation says does a park,
also the "*PARK" command I've seen when it parks in a position).
There are various ways that the mount can park, but ":Me#" is not one of them. That command moves the mount East at the current move rate, which is usually the guide rate. Also, be careful trying to decipher the commands starting with "*". Those are commands from the AP V2 ASCOM driver to APCC, not to the mount. When APCC gets one of those commands, it interprets them and can do anything from a simple response to invoking a multi-state operation such as parking.

If you want to zip and post a link to the log files I will take a look. Or, if you desire to look for yourself, you can search for the reponses to the :GOS# command. The mount is parked when the first character of the response turns to a "P",

Oddly the AP_ASCOM log ended hours earlier, not sure why.
To save disk space, the ASCOM driver will stop logging a few minutes after the mount parks.

-Ray

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Subject: [ap-gto] AP1100AE Unexpected park?

New AP1100AE and novice imager so I am pretty sure I caused this, but would like to understand how and
cannot find it in the logs...

Woke up a hour or so before dawn, rolled over and connected the phone to check on how things were going.
Guiding had gotten bad (ok, my standards have gone up, guiding had degraded to around 0.4" RMS). It
looked to be chasing something. I poked around and realized I had the pointing/tracking corrections on even
though I did not build a model; it was running a very small model from a prior night after quite a lot of
changes and setup movement. Mea culpa. Turned off pointing and tracking corrections, watched for 5
minutes or so - better.

Was about to go back to sleep when the familiar and awful "star lost" ding started. Long story shortened: The
mount was parked. Stars streaking. Nowhere near meridian or horizon.

I unparked, recentered, started everything up again and it is running great, guiding back at 0.3" now after
about 30 minutes.

I've been staring at logs and cannot figure out why it parked. I see in APCC logs the unpark dialog and
process, but nothing about parking (I searched for ":Me#" which is what the documentation says does a park,
also the "*PARK" command I've seen when it parks in a position). I also looked at NINA's log and see nothing
other than the star lost stuff. Oddly the AP_ASCOM log ended hours earlier, not sure why. There's no
indication of a timeout that I can find (I'm ethernet cable connected, NUC is right by the mount).

I'd like to think I hit a button. There's no park button visible on the screen I had up, but there is an emergency
stop; the apcc log doesn't have "stop" or "emergency" in it anywhere though (no clue what to look for, and it's
imaging so don't want to try it).

What could I have done that caused a park?

What can I look for in the logs (which?) to find out what happened? At this point it's mostly curiosity, since I
just by the fact I was changing things (and on a cell phone at that time) I am sure it was something i did. But I
would like to know what. And learn in the process more about debugging through the logs.

Linwood


Re: Pickering's (or Fleming's) Triangle

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Very well done, congratulations.


AP1100AE Unexpected park?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

New AP1100AE and novice imager so I am pretty sure I caused this, but would like to understand how and cannot find it in the logs... 

Woke up a hour or so before dawn, rolled over and connected the phone to check on how things were going.  Guiding had gotten bad (ok, my standards have gone up, guiding had degraded to around 0.4" RMS).  It looked to be chasing something.  I poked around and realized I had the pointing/tracking corrections on even though I did not build a model; it was running a very small model from a prior night after quite a lot of changes and setup movement.  Mea culpa.  Turned off pointing and tracking corrections, watched for 5 minutes or so - better.

Was about to go back to sleep when the familiar and awful "star lost" ding started.  Long story shortened: The mount was parked. Stars streaking.  Nowhere near meridian or horizon.

I unparked, recentered, started everything up again and it is running great, guiding back at 0.3" now after about 30 minutes.

I've been staring at logs and cannot figure out why it parked.  I see in APCC logs the unpark dialog and process, but nothing about parking (I searched for ":Me#" which is what the documentation says does a park, also the "*PARK" command I've seen when it parks in a position).  I also looked at NINA's log and see nothing other than the star lost stuff.  Oddly the AP_ASCOM log ended hours earlier, not sure why.  There's no indication of a timeout that I can find (I'm ethernet cable connected, NUC is right by the mount). 

I'd like to think I hit a button.  There's no park button visible on the screen I had up, but there is an emergency stop; the apcc log doesn't have "stop" or "emergency" in it anywhere though (no clue what to look for, and it's imaging so don't want to try it). 

What could I have done that caused a park?

What can I look for in the logs (which?) to find out what happened?   At this point it's mostly curiosity, since I just by the fact I was changing things (and on a cell phone at that time) I am sure it was something i did.  But I would like to know what.  And learn in the process more about debugging through the logs.

Linwood


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Jeffc
 

Thx for the pointer on minix.   I’ve seen these and wondered if they were underpowered.   Now that I think about it the minix might be appropriate for mount 2 which I’m thinking will initially be doing mostly solar ha imaging.  

As for the 2012 i5 Mac mini… I run SGP, APCC, ASTAP, TheSky5 (old school, I didn’t like X), MGBox, sharpcap (polar alignment) , UPBV2 , with a QHY-268m camera.

The i5 performance is more than adequate afaict.    (I use a separate laptop for processing - Apple Mackbook Air w/ the M1 processor.  The MBA is also used for RemoteDesktop to run SGP, etc, on the MacMini at night.)

-jeff

On Sep 25, 2021, at 7:05 PM, Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:


CDC and HNSKY Planetariums do not cause any problems on my current MiniX so they should work well on this one.

SkyX works fine as well, but I do not pan around SkyX looking at the planetarium directly, I only use it for object lookup which is instant. SkyX Image Link does delay on my MiniX a few seconds longer than a normal machine would. I have moved over to ASTAP for everything though, which is also practically instant.

-Bill 


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I can also vouch for this particular Minix model. I've been using the J50C-4 Max since last April with no issue whatsoever. I can indeed  run a powerbox advance client, Ascom OCH, APPC, NINA (Canon DSLR), PHD2 (QHY5III-174M guider), APT (ASI183MC Pro), and SharpCap Pro (Polemaster) all at once and I get a snappy user experience. 

Adding Stellarium to the mix shows the hardware's limit though (GPU is an onchip Intel UHD 605 with shared memory) and significantly impairs performance. So I just don't run it while imaging.I suspect it would be the same with other realtime planetarium software.

One thing to account for is the relatively short range of the internal WiFi patch antennas. These are perfect for indoor usage or if you have an outdoor signal booster in your backyard for example. But in my case, I just bought 2 of these (watch out for the U.Fl connector type on your wifi adapter if you go this route) : 


Monted them on a side panel and it almost quadrupled the orignial range around my house (about 70 feet radius now) with no other modifications. Enough to reliably connect to my home router from my backyard portable setup in most places.

Of course ethernet works just fine too for that matter. 

It is true the 12V input is protected and needs to be below about 13.V for it to power on but I found that to be a problem only with a freshly charged battery. My workaround is to connect and power up evey other equipment (mainly cameras through the PPBAv, heater bands and the Mach2) before hitting the power on button. Never had any issue after I started doing that routinely.

Sébastien


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I dont think it would have any problems running all of that. I have a lot of devices on it. Powerbox, MGBoxV2, PL16803 camera, CFW5-7, Ultrastar, AG Thermal box, Nitecrawler, etc and mine is the older version with less power. 


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer
 

For me with APCC, ACP Expert, MaxIm, FocusMax, and the rest of the automation software/hardware and weather stuff that may be pushing it for me but then again I often over do the specs to be safe.

 

-Steve

 

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I use a MiniX Mini PC that works well. The specific model I use is no longer made, but they have a newer one:

 

 

Works really good, but the one thing to keep in mind is that it really wants a 12v regulated power input. If the voltage is too high, it wont turn on.

 

I run Voyager, SkyX, APCC Pro, PHD2, and my AGO Thermal Control software on it no problem. This one has a better processor than mine as well. The Win 10 Pro they include is authentic as well, which can be a challenge from some Amazon mini-PC products. 

 

If you decide you want more RAM or storage you can upgrade it. 8GB of memory and 240GB of storage should be plenty though, IMO.

 

-Bill

 

 


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Woody Schlom
 

And not just any tick, but a “Deer Tick.”  So far as I know, they’re the only ticks to carry Lyme Disease.    When I got bit by a tick, I took the dead tick to my doctor and he sent it to a lab to see what kind it was.  It wasn’t a Deer Tick so I was OK.

 

One of my brothers and his son did get Lyme Disease from Deer Ticks.  Wasn’t any fun.

 

Woody

 

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Robert,
One minor quibble: I've never heard of a case of Lyme disease from a mosquito bite. The usual mode of transmission is from the bite of a tick infected with the Borrelia bacterium.

dan kowall

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Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 

Ok thank you Ray.

I pops up on some slews only. 

V1.9.0.11 is working perfectly for me too.

Thanks,

Rouz


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Bill Long
 

CDC and HNSKY Planetariums do not cause any problems on my current MiniX so they should work well on this one.

SkyX works fine as well, but I do not pan around SkyX looking at the planetarium directly, I only use it for object lookup which is instant. SkyX Image Link does delay on my MiniX a few seconds longer than a normal machine would. I have moved over to ASTAP for everything though, which is also practically instant.

-Bill 


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer
 
I can also vouch for this particular Minix model. I've been using the J50C-4 Max since last April with no issue whatsoever. I can indeed  run a powerbox advance client, Ascom OCH, APPC, NINA (Canon DSLR), PHD2 (QHY5III-174M guider), APT (ASI183MC Pro), and SharpCap Pro (Polemaster) all at once and I get a snappy user experience. 

Adding Stellarium to the mix shows the hardware's limit though (GPU is an onchip Intel UHD 605 with shared memory) and significantly impairs performance. So I just don't run it while imaging.I suspect it would be the same with other realtime planetarium software.

One thing to account for is the relatively short range of the internal WiFi patch antennas. These are perfect for indoor usage or if you have an outdoor signal booster in your backyard for example. But in my case, I just bought 2 of these (watch out for the U.Fl connector type on your wifi adapter if you go this route) : 


Monted them on a side panel and it almost quadrupled the orignial range around my house (about 70 feet radius now) with no other modifications. Enough to reliably connect to my home router from my backyard portable setup in most places.

Of course ethernet works just fine too for that matter. 

It is true the 12V input is protected and needs to be below about 13.V for it to power on but I found that to be a problem only with a freshly charged battery. My workaround is to connect and power up evey other equipment (mainly cameras through the PPBAv, heater bands and the Mach2) before hitting the power on button. Never had any issue after I started doing that routinely.

Sébastien


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I dont think it would have any problems running all of that. I have a lot of devices on it. Powerbox, MGBoxV2, PL16803 camera, CFW5-7, Ultrastar, AG Thermal box, Nitecrawler, etc and mine is the older version with less power. 


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For me with APCC, ACP Expert, MaxIm, FocusMax, and the rest of the automation software/hardware and weather stuff that may be pushing it for me but then again I often over do the specs to be safe.

 

-Steve

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:10 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer

 

I use a MiniX Mini PC that works well. The specific model I use is no longer made, but they have a newer one:

 

 

Works really good, but the one thing to keep in mind is that it really wants a 12v regulated power input. If the voltage is too high, it wont turn on.

 

I run Voyager, SkyX, APCC Pro, PHD2, and my AGO Thermal Control software on it no problem. This one has a better processor than mine as well. The Win 10 Pro they include is authentic as well, which can be a challenge from some Amazon mini-PC products. 

 

If you decide you want more RAM or storage you can upgrade it. 8GB of memory and 240GB of storage should be plenty though, IMO.

 

-Bill

 

 


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Sébastien Doré
 

I can also vouch for this particular Minix model. I've been using the J50C-4 Max since last April with no issue whatsoever. I can indeed  run a powerbox advance client, Ascom OCH, APPC, NINA (Canon DSLR), PHD2 (QHY5III-174M guider), APT (ASI183MC Pro), and SharpCap Pro (Polemaster) all at once and I get a snappy user experience. 

Adding Stellarium to the mix shows the hardware's limit though (GPU is an onchip Intel UHD 605 with shared memory) and significantly impairs performance. So I just don't run it while imaging.I suspect it would be the same with other realtime planetarium software.

One thing to account for is the relatively short range of the internal WiFi patch antennas. These are perfect for indoor usage or if you have an outdoor signal booster in your backyard for example. But in my case, I just bought 2 of these (watch out for the U.Fl connector type on your wifi adapter if you go this route) : 


Monted them on a side panel and it almost quadrupled the orignial range around my house (about 70 feet radius now) with no other modifications. Enough to reliably connect to my home router from my backyard portable setup in most places.

Of course ethernet works just fine too for that matter. 

It is true the 12V input is protected and needs to be below about 13.V for it to power on but I found that to be a problem only with a freshly charged battery. My workaround is to connect and power up evey other equipment (mainly cameras through the PPBAv, heater bands and the Mach2) before hitting the power on button. Never had any issue after I started doing that routinely.

Sébastien


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I dont think it would have any problems running all of that. I have a lot of devices on it. Powerbox, MGBoxV2, PL16803 camera, CFW5-7, Ultrastar, AG Thermal box, Nitecrawler, etc and mine is the older version with less power. 


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Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 4:40 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer
 

For me with APCC, ACP Expert, MaxIm, FocusMax, and the rest of the automation software/hardware and weather stuff that may be pushing it for me but then again I often over do the specs to be safe.

 

-Steve

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:10 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer

 

I use a MiniX Mini PC that works well. The specific model I use is no longer made, but they have a newer one:

 

 

Works really good, but the one thing to keep in mind is that it really wants a 12v regulated power input. If the voltage is too high, it wont turn on.

 

I run Voyager, SkyX, APCC Pro, PHD2, and my AGO Thermal Control software on it no problem. This one has a better processor than mine as well. The Win 10 Pro they include is authentic as well, which can be a challenge from some Amazon mini-PC products. 

 

If you decide you want more RAM or storage you can upgrade it. 8GB of memory and 240GB of storage should be plenty though, IMO.

 

-Bill

 

 


Pickering's (or Fleming's) Triangle

Glenn
 

Any part of the Cygnus loop is a treat for visual astronomers and astrophotographers alike. The many intricacies of its structure make it unique in the night sky.

I shot Pickering's Triangle through narrowband filters with the intent of producing a Hubble palette (SHO) image. However, the SII signal was largely superimposed on the Ha and didn't add anything useful, so I left out the SII and made a bicolor image with the other two filters. Here's the link:

https://astrob.in/lyde7q/B/

Thanks for looking. 

Glenn Diekmann


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Bill Long
 

I dont think it would have any problems running all of that. I have a lot of devices on it. Powerbox, MGBoxV2, PL16803 camera, CFW5-7, Ultrastar, AG Thermal box, Nitecrawler, etc and mine is the older version with less power. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Reilly <sreilly24590@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 4:40 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer
 

For me with APCC, ACP Expert, MaxIm, FocusMax, and the rest of the automation software/hardware and weather stuff that may be pushing it for me but then again I often over do the specs to be safe.

 

-Steve

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:10 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer

 

I use a MiniX Mini PC that works well. The specific model I use is no longer made, but they have a newer one:

 

 

Works really good, but the one thing to keep in mind is that it really wants a 12v regulated power input. If the voltage is too high, it wont turn on.

 

I run Voyager, SkyX, APCC Pro, PHD2, and my AGO Thermal Control software on it no problem. This one has a better processor than mine as well. The Win 10 Pro they include is authentic as well, which can be a challenge from some Amazon mini-PC products. 

 

If you decide you want more RAM or storage you can upgrade it. 8GB of memory and 240GB of storage should be plenty though, IMO.

 

-Bill

 

 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffc <jeffcrilly@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 2:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer

 

I’ve been using a 2021 i5 Mac Mini (headless) mounted to the pier running windows 10 for some time.   I think I paid like $250 (used price) a while back.   It’s got a built in power supply but in theory it can be converted to 12v supply.   Mainly chose this hardware cuz I had it in inventory. 

But I digress… Anyhow I’m also looking for a decent but cheap (eg $200 or so) small form factor PC likely suitable for mounting on top of the OTA for use with a second mount.   I’m just taken back by the lack of obvious choice when doing the market research such that I’ve kinda given up.
Perhaps when win11 drops there will be a glut of “not win11 compatible” hardware in clearance.   And is there even any win11 compatible “small form factor” PCs out yet?

It makes me wonder if now the right time to buy?

Anyhow feel free to share what the sweet spot is for an economical 12v powered PC with adequate CPU , memory , and SSD, suitable for mounting on the OTA — I’ve got a technical background in the stuff, but the choices are crazy confusing.

-jeff







Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

Steve Reilly
 

For me with APCC, ACP Expert, MaxIm, FocusMax, and the rest of the automation software/hardware and weather stuff that may be pushing it for me but then again I often over do the specs to be safe.

 

-Steve

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:10 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer

 

I use a MiniX Mini PC that works well. The specific model I use is no longer made, but they have a newer one:

 

 

Works really good, but the one thing to keep in mind is that it really wants a 12v regulated power input. If the voltage is too high, it wont turn on.

 

I run Voyager, SkyX, APCC Pro, PHD2, and my AGO Thermal Control software on it no problem. This one has a better processor than mine as well. The Win 10 Pro they include is authentic as well, which can be a challenge from some Amazon mini-PC products. 

 

If you decide you want more RAM or storage you can upgrade it. 8GB of memory and 240GB of storage should be plenty though, IMO.

 

-Bill

 

 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffc <jeffcrilly@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 2:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Off Topic-NUC Computer

 

I’ve been using a 2021 i5 Mac Mini (headless) mounted to the pier running windows 10 for some time.   I think I paid like $250 (used price) a while back.   It’s got a built in power supply but in theory it can be converted to 12v supply.   Mainly chose this hardware cuz I had it in inventory. 

But I digress… Anyhow I’m also looking for a decent but cheap (eg $200 or so) small form factor PC likely suitable for mounting on top of the OTA for use with a second mount.   I’m just taken back by the lack of obvious choice when doing the market research such that I’ve kinda given up.
Perhaps when win11 drops there will be a glut of “not win11 compatible” hardware in clearance.   And is there even any win11 compatible “small form factor” PCs out yet?

It makes me wonder if now the right time to buy?

Anyhow feel free to share what the sweet spot is for an economical 12v powered PC with adequate CPU , memory , and SSD, suitable for mounting on the OTA — I’ve got a technical background in the stuff, but the choices are crazy confusing.

-jeff







Re: Am I going to blow myself up with AC power and a surge protector?

M. Collins
 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 03:46 PM, ap@... wrote:

Finally there’s using three different AC -> DC adapters.  I’m a proponent of grounding all of those together so there are no floating voltages against their ground, because if there are, these tend to flow over other connections not intended to carry significant current, notably USB cables. 

  In general, it's not necessary to do more than connect your AC adapters into outlets which are closely coupled, as on a power strip. All AC adapters with two-prong plugs, and most with three prong plugs provide isolation between the DC output and the contacts in an AC outlet. If you use a power strip near the telescope and plug all of the adapters into it, you should have no problems at all. Even if you run an Ethernet cable back into your house, there's little risk of problems because the connections are transformer coupled on each end (meaning that there's no direct path for current to flow from the Ethernet cable to the electronics on either end). USB is a little different since it relies upon current flow at both ends of the cable, so you may not want to run that between your office and telescope, however connections between cameras, filter wheels, computers, etc., at the telescope should not present any issues.

  The recommendation to ensure that you have GFCI protection for any line voltage used outdoors is a good one. An inexpensive ground fault detector is a worthwhile tool for any homeowner. These provide a button that allows a small current to pass between line voltage and ground, which will trip a GFCI if there is one in the circuit. If you plug the tester into an outdoor outlet and the lights on the tester don't go off as soon as the test button is pressed, either the existing GFCI has failed or there wasn't one to begin with. That's not a good thing.

  In many houses, the GFCI protecting outdoor outlets is installed in one of the bathrooms. If you have a GFCI in a bathroom, you can plug a lamp into an outdoor outlet then press the test button the GFCI. If the lamp goes off, the outdoor circuit is properly protected.


Re: Am I going to blow myself up with AC power and a surge protector?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

It’s important to understand what you want to protect.


The first thing is people – that’s not with a surge suppressor, but with a GFI protected outlet.  My GUESS is your outlet already is, unless it is an older home.  Find that out first.  Daisy chaining GFI is usually not a good idea, sometimes they then trip needlessly.  If yours is NOT protected, either replace it with a GFI outlet (easy, but get an electrician if in doubt), or get a FGI protected extension.  That makes the world safe for people.

 

The surge protector you show is to protect equipment from lightning surges on the line (or other surges of a transient nature).  While not pointless, since most of us will not set up when there are lightning storms anywhere near, this seems much less interesting.  But they are cheap and do no harm.  The surge protector offers zero protection to humans from line voltage.

 

Finally there’s using three different AC -> DC adapters.  I’m a proponent of grounding all of those together so there are no floating voltages against their ground, because if there are, these tend to flow over other connections not intended to carry significant current, notably USB cables.  This doesn’t make them smoke and is not dangerous generally to people but can cause intermittent connections.  However, especially when they are different voltages (as yours probably are) this can be more difficult to do without some custom wiring. Perhaps those more electronically inclined can comment on whether it is actually important to do.  I do know most people do not bother, at least that I have seen.

 

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of AaronW via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:35 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Am I going to blow myself up with AC power and a surge protector?

 

Question for the power experts.  I'd like to start learning how to use my rig but I don't want to fry it or my children in the process.

I have a refractor, cooled cmos camera, OAG with guide camera, electronic focusing system, dew band and a power hub all riding on a Mach2.  Plan is to use a NUC for control and remote into the NUC from my indoor desktop via my home's WiFi network.  So there are only three components that wll connect directly to my home's AC power: 1) the CP5 control unit, 2) the NUC, and 3) the Power Hub (Pegasus Powerbox Advance).  All three of these components live on the pier/scope.

The rig is in my backyard ~15 feet away from the nearest outdoor AC outlet.  I was thinking I would buy a surge protector that has a 25 ft cord and run it from my wall outlet to right under my rig, where the above three components can just plug right into it.  I'm not power savvy and was hoping someone could tell me in advance if I'm going to blow something up or if there's a better way :)

Was thinking a Tripp Lite surge protector such as this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UD3LPI/?tag=thewire06-20&linkCode=xm2&ascsubtag=AwEAAAAAAAAAAgeD

Best,
Aaron
  


Re: Off Topic-NUC Computer

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Steve Reilly wrote: 

Using the links below it seems a similar NUC built with about the same configuration is still in the original ballpark. Main difference I saw was the larger SSD choices being that the there is a spot for an additional 2.5” drive on some or an additional M2 drive. 
It's been a year, but what I got was a NUC8i5BEH kit, 500gb Samsung 860EVO, and 32gb Crucial memory.  Total cost was $595 at the time, for all name brand stuff.  I know parts shortages have changed prices a lot, but that's why I was thinking the OnLogic was twice the price.  I would definitely lean toward NVMe instead of ever putting spinning disk in a computer used outside, all sorts of benefits from power to vibration to noise.

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