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Re: New Astro-Folks

Roger Laureys
 

Warm welcome to the newcomers !!! Good to see AP is looking forward to the future 
Roger


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Karen Christen <karen@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 11:33 PM
To: ap-gto@groups.io <ap-gto@groups.io>; ap-ug@groups.io <ap-ug@groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] New Astro-Folks
 

Hello Astro-Nuts,

 

As many of you know, we’ve been gradually growing our team to meet the high demand for our products.  We’d like to introduce you to our two newest Astro-Folks, as of this week:

 

Eric is part of our production team.  He’s working closely with Don and Vic in Finishing, and with Dave, our mount assembly master.  Eric has been AP-adjacent for many years – he’s George’s son – and is already jumping in with both feet.

 

Amber has joined our office team.  She’s quickly learning the myriad duties Daleen and Paige juggle every day and coordinating with our Shipping/Receiving guru, Amanda.  Many of you will speak with or hear from Amber when calling or emailing the office. 

 

Please join us in welcoming Amber and Eric to the Astro-Folks!

Karen

AP


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 
Edited

Ok I just noticed it only appears with " Require high accuracy slews".

It takes 15 sec per point.
This is with V1.9.0.11.

Some points work fine and its only some point that have the warning.


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 

I'll be testing it tonight.

Does anyone know where these slew warnings come from:

0392354 2021-09-23 00:06:10.941:       Info, ProcessVPortCommand, RX from VPort 1: :APCC,45352,GZ#
0392355 2021-09-23 00:06:10.941:       Info, ProcessVPortCommand, APCC Seq=   45352, CMD=GZ#
0392356 2021-09-23 00:06:10.941:       Info, VPortCheckVPort1(COM3), (RX: GZ#), TX: APCC,13,45352,+343*30:59.7#
0392357 2021-09-23 00:06:10.942:       Info,    VPort1(COM3), RX: :APCC,45353,*SLEWUNSAFE,15.5769238888889,78#
0392358 2021-09-23 00:06:10.957:       Info, ProcessVPortCommand, RX from VPort 1: :APCC,45353,*SLEWUNSAFE,15.5769238888889,78#
0392359 2021-09-23 00:06:10.957:       Info, ProcessVPortCommand, APCC Seq=   45353, CMD=*SLEWUNSAFE,15.5769238888889,78#
0392360 2021-09-23 00:06:10.965:      Debug,  Command Thread, TX=':GH#'|RX='07:00:25.79#'
0392361 2021-09-23 00:06:10.965:      Debug,  Command Thread, TX (High Priority) = ':RT3#'
0392362 2021-09-23 00:06:10.965:      Debug,  Command Thread, TX (High Priority) = ':RT2#'
0392363 2021-09-23 00:06:10.966:      Debug,  Command Thread, TX = ':pS#'
0392364 2021-09-23 00:06:10.973:       Info, VPortCheckVPort1(COM3), (RX: *SLEWUNSAFE,15.5769238888889,78#), TX: 


Re: Computer not recognizing CP5 control box #APCC

AaronW
 

Great tip, Luca.  Thanks!  I will take any tips I can get.  I am going to need them :)


On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 5:38 PM Luca Marinelli <photo@...> wrote:
Hi Aaron,

I just connect to the mount via USB so I cannot help you with the WiFi problem. However, you do not want to connect power to the CP5 through the powerpole ports on the mount. Connect the AC adapter to the CP5 power cable and directly into the CP5. The powerpole connectors on the mount are to bring 12V from a separate power supply to the telescope.

This will not solve your Wi-Fi problem but prevent snagging that power cable on the first slew.

—Luca

On Sep 23, 2021, at 7:28 PM, AaronW via groups.io <aaron.wilhelm=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Brand new A-P customer here.  I'm sure I'm doing something stupid.  Any help is much appreciated.

Am installing / setting up the AP V2 driver / APCC Pro for the first time.  Also plugging in my Mach2 and CP5 for the first time.  Goal was to set CP5 to station mode and use it via my home's WiFi network.  The manual gives clear instructions for how to do this, which are basically:

1) Go to CP5's homepage by first configuring for "Access Point Configuration"
2) Change the setting to use Station Mode in the advanced wireless settings there.

So I did this.  I turned on the mount/CP5.  CP5's network appeared in my wireless networks after a few seconds.  I connected my computer to this network using the default password provided by A-P.  It worked.

I then navigated to CP5's homepage and attempted to change the setting to use the CP5 in station mode.  I selected my home network and entered the password.  I then clicked CONNECT.  It then said CONNECTING...

All seemed well, but five minutes later it was still CONNECTING...

So I closed the window, unplugged the mount/CP5, rebooted, and tried again.  But now my computer does not find the CP5's network, and as a result, I am not able to navigate to CP5's homepage or proceed further in setting up APCC Pro.  Instead, the computer recognizes a "hidden network" among my wireless networks.  I attempted to connect to this network and it asked me for the network's name (SSID) and password.  I provided the name of GTOCP5_Net_X, where X represents the numeric portion of my CP5's serial number without the leading zeros.  I entered the password as well.  I got a message saying "Cannot connect to this network."

I've tried rebooting everything and doing it again.  Same problem.  I have A-P's AC adapter and anderson powerpoles going from my wall outlet into the mount anderson powerpoles on the RA rear plate, the CP5's power cable going from the CP5 to the mount anderson powerpoles in the DEC top plate, the RA/DEC cables going from the CP5 to the Mach2, and a USB cord going from the CP5 to my computer.

The CP5's power indicator light is red, indicating proper power functioning.  

Any ideas?

Best,
Aaron


Re: New Astro-Folks

Jim Roberts
 

Warm greetings Amber and Eric! 

------ Original Message ------
From: "Karen Christen" <karen@...>
Sent: 9/23/2021 3:33:34 PM
Subject: [ap-gto] New Astro-Folks

Hello Astro-Nuts,

 

As many of you know, we’ve been gradually growing our team to meet the high demand for our products.  We’d like to introduce you to our two newest Astro-Folks, as of this week:

 

Eric is part of our production team.  He’s working closely with Don and Vic in Finishing, and with Dave, our mount assembly master.  Eric has been AP-adjacent for many years – he’s George’s son – and is already jumping in with both feet.

 

Amber has joined our office team.  She’s quickly learning the myriad duties Daleen and Paige juggle every day and coordinating with our Shipping/Receiving guru, Amanda.  Many of you will speak with or hear from Amber when calling or emailing the office. 

 

Please join us in welcoming Amber and Eric to the Astro-Folks!

Karen

AP


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Computer not recognizing CP5 control box #APCC

Luca Marinelli
 

Hi Aaron,

I just connect to the mount via USB so I cannot help you with the WiFi problem. However, you do not want to connect power to the CP5 through the powerpole ports on the mount. Connect the AC adapter to the CP5 power cable and directly into the CP5. The powerpole connectors on the mount are to bring 12V from a separate power supply to the telescope.

This will not solve your Wi-Fi problem but prevent snagging that power cable on the first slew.

—Luca

On Sep 23, 2021, at 7:28 PM, AaronW via groups.io <aaron.wilhelm@...> wrote:

Brand new A-P customer here.  I'm sure I'm doing something stupid.  Any help is much appreciated.

Am installing / setting up the AP V2 driver / APCC Pro for the first time.  Also plugging in my Mach2 and CP5 for the first time.  Goal was to set CP5 to station mode and use it via my home's WiFi network.  The manual gives clear instructions for how to do this, which are basically:

1) Go to CP5's homepage by first configuring for "Access Point Configuration"
2) Change the setting to use Station Mode in the advanced wireless settings there.

So I did this.  I turned on the mount/CP5.  CP5's network appeared in my wireless networks after a few seconds.  I connected my computer to this network using the default password provided by A-P.  It worked.

I then navigated to CP5's homepage and attempted to change the setting to use the CP5 in station mode.  I selected my home network and entered the password.  I then clicked CONNECT.  It then said CONNECTING...

All seemed well, but five minutes later it was still CONNECTING...

So I closed the window, unplugged the mount/CP5, rebooted, and tried again.  But now my computer does not find the CP5's network, and as a result, I am not able to navigate to CP5's homepage or proceed further in setting up APCC Pro.  Instead, the computer recognizes a "hidden network" among my wireless networks.  I attempted to connect to this network and it asked me for the network's name (SSID) and password.  I provided the name of GTOCP5_Net_X, where X represents the numeric portion of my CP5's serial number without the leading zeros.  I entered the password as well.  I got a message saying "Cannot connect to this network."

I've tried rebooting everything and doing it again.  Same problem.  I have A-P's AC adapter and anderson powerpoles going from my wall outlet into the mount anderson powerpoles on the RA rear plate, the CP5's power cable going from the CP5 to the mount anderson powerpoles in the DEC top plate, the RA/DEC cables going from the CP5 to the Mach2, and a USB cord going from the CP5 to my computer.

The CP5's power indicator light is red, indicating proper power functioning.  

Any ideas?

Best,
Aaron


Computer not recognizing CP5 control box #APCC

AaronW
 

Brand new A-P customer here.  I'm sure I'm doing something stupid.  Any help is much appreciated.

Am installing / setting up the AP V2 driver / APCC Pro for the first time.  Also plugging in my Mach2 and CP5 for the first time.  Goal was to set CP5 to station mode and use it via my home's WiFi network.  The manual gives clear instructions for how to do this, which are basically:

1) Go to CP5's homepage by first configuring for "Access Point Configuration"
2) Change the setting to use Station Mode in the advanced wireless settings there.

So I did this.  I turned on the mount/CP5.  CP5's network appeared in my wireless networks after a few seconds.  I connected my computer to this network using the default password provided by A-P.  It worked.

I then navigated to CP5's homepage and attempted to change the setting to use the CP5 in station mode.  I selected my home network and entered the password.  I then clicked CONNECT.  It then said CONNECTING...

All seemed well, but five minutes later it was still CONNECTING...

So I closed the window, unplugged the mount/CP5, rebooted, and tried again.  But now my computer does not find the CP5's network, and as a result, I am not able to navigate to CP5's homepage or proceed further in setting up APCC Pro.  Instead, the computer recognizes a "hidden network" among my wireless networks.  I attempted to connect to this network and it asked me for the network's name (SSID) and password.  I provided the name of GTOCP5_Net_X, where X represents the numeric portion of my CP5's serial number without the leading zeros.  I entered the password as well.  I got a message saying "Cannot connect to this network."

I've tried rebooting everything and doing it again.  Same problem.  I have A-P's AC adapter and anderson powerpoles going from my wall outlet into the mount anderson powerpoles on the RA rear plate, the CP5's power cable going from the CP5 to the mount anderson powerpoles in the DEC top plate, the RA/DEC cables going from the CP5 to the Mach2, and a USB cord going from the CP5 to my computer.

The CP5's power indicator light is red, indicating proper power functioning.  

Any ideas?

Best,
Aaron


Re: [ap-ug] New Astro-Folks

Pete Lardizabal
 

Welcome to the Team!!!

😎

Pete

On Sep 23, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Karen Christen <karen@...> wrote:



Hello Astro-Nuts,

 

As many of you know, we’ve been gradually growing our team to meet the high demand for our products.  We’d like to introduce you to our two newest Astro-Folks, as of this week:

 

Eric is part of our production team.  He’s working closely with Don and Vic in Finishing, and with Dave, our mount assembly master.  Eric has been AP-adjacent for many years – he’s George’s son – and is already jumping in with both feet.

 

Amber has joined our office team.  She’s quickly learning the myriad duties Daleen and Paige juggle every day and coordinating with our Shipping/Receiving guru, Amanda.  Many of you will speak with or hear from Amber when calling or emailing the office. 

 

Please join us in welcoming Amber and Eric to the Astro-Folks!

Karen

AP


Re: Trouble with MaxDome II slaving to APPM

Shane Ramotowski
 

No problem, Alan.  Glad to have been some help!

- Shane

On 9/23/2021 11:49 AM, Alan Erickson wrote:
Hi Shane,

Thanks for the tip about Device Hub. That plus passive mode did the trick. I use SGP, but when that is connected to the dome, I can't make another connection, so APPM couldn't monitor the dome. I think the MaxDome II ASCOM driver doesn't want multiple connections.

-Alan
--
Shane Ramotowski
kor@cotse.net
https://www.kor-astro.net


Re: New Astro-Folks

Manusfisch
 

Welcome aboard, One thing about this forum and this company is it we are all in a constant state of learning. Welcome from INdy

TJF Mobile

On Sep 23, 2021, at 17:33, Karen Christen <karen@...> wrote:



Hello Astro-Nuts,

 

As many of you know, we’ve been gradually growing our team to meet the high demand for our products.  We’d like to introduce you to our two newest Astro-Folks, as of this week:

 

Eric is part of our production team.  He’s working closely with Don and Vic in Finishing, and with Dave, our mount assembly master.  Eric has been AP-adjacent for many years – he’s George’s son – and is already jumping in with both feet.

 

Amber has joined our office team.  She’s quickly learning the myriad duties Daleen and Paige juggle every day and coordinating with our Shipping/Receiving guru, Amanda.  Many of you will speak with or hear from Amber when calling or emailing the office. 

 

Please join us in welcoming Amber and Eric to the Astro-Folks!

Karen

AP


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: New Astro-Folks

Jeff B
 

Welcome and warmest regards!

Jeff

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 5:46 PM Eric Weiner <weinere@...> wrote:
Welcome to an amazing team, but you already knew that!

Regards,
Eric & Amber
-yes, that’s really our names too 🤪









Re: New Astro-Folks

Eric Weiner
 

Welcome to an amazing team, but you already knew that!

Regards,
Eric & Amber
-yes, that’s really our names too 🤪


New Astro-Folks

Karen Christen
 

Hello Astro-Nuts,

 

As many of you know, we’ve been gradually growing our team to meet the high demand for our products.  We’d like to introduce you to our two newest Astro-Folks, as of this week:

 

Eric is part of our production team.  He’s working closely with Don and Vic in Finishing, and with Dave, our mount assembly master.  Eric has been AP-adjacent for many years – he’s George’s son – and is already jumping in with both feet.

 

Amber has joined our office team.  She’s quickly learning the myriad duties Daleen and Paige juggle every day and coordinating with our Shipping/Receiving guru, Amanda.  Many of you will speak with or hear from Amber when calling or emailing the office. 

 

Please join us in welcoming Amber and Eric to the Astro-Folks!

Karen

AP


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


AP Version 2 error: Run-time error 91

Tom Blahovici
 

Hi
I have run into this three times lately.  The AP driver is set to connect automatically as is the mount in APCC.  However, the mount has not yet initialized.  Seems to maybe stop if I automatically set the mount to initialize but I am not sure.

The error is Run-time error 91.  Object variable or With block variable not set.

And then about 20 seconds later, APCC cannot create active-x object.

Is this due to the mount not automatically initializing?
All the latest software including APPM.
Thanks, Tom


Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Thomas Giannaccini
 

Thank you

Tom

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 1:27 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Thomas,

I sent you an e-mail with instructions that should solve the limit issue for Park4.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Cc: tgiann3@... <tgiann3@...>; howard@... <howard@...>; mikeh@... <mikeh@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Hello Thomas,

It appears that you are reaching a Dec limit when trying to slew to Park4. So do not use that park position until we can clear that up. I will consult with our tech guys and get back to you.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Roland,
Thank you for the time you took to write that email. Yesterday, I was able to follow your instructions with some success but an issue still remains. I will outline my actions below.

I rough polar aligned the mount using RAPAs.
I updated the keypad firmware. I still do not have Park 5 in my list. Therefore, I used Park 4 instead, as will be described. 


I double checked my time and location data. Please note I am currently in the mountain time zone. The time was precisely synched at the correct moment although the screen shot of the official time was taken a few seconds after the time synch was completed.

IMG_0711.jpgIMG_0712.PNG
IMG_0713.jpgIMG_0714.PNG

I began this process with Auto Connect "No" to see how the process would go and to allow for a comparison.

I started in Park 3 (a rough, eyeball approximation)
I slewed to Park 2; It was spot on. Level was verified with a carpenter's level, 
I slewed to Park 4. It was off as shown below. The RA moved correctly The CW shaft was level and pointing West. When the Dec axis rotated it stopped at approximately the 10:30 position (just past 10 O'clock) and retreated to about 10 O'clock. This makes me think some sort of limit was hit?
IMG_0708.jpg
I then adjusted the OTA position so that it was correctly in Park 4. this change in Dec axis rotation was made my loosening clutches and moving the OTA by hand. Level was verified with a carpenter's level. 

I then slewed the mount back to Park 3. It was also not correct. It appeared to be off by the same amount that Park 4 was off. This is what Park 3 looked like:
IMG_0706.jpg
IMG_0707.jpg

Again I loosened the clutches, corrected the OTA position to Park 3. Then I slewed to Park 2. It was, again, spot on. Park 4 was again off by the same amount as before.  So the issue here is that I can attain either Park 3 or Park 4 but not both. This was all with AutoConnect "No".

I then selected Auto Connect "Yes"
I powered down the mount. I plut the OTA in Park 3 by loosening the clutches. I powered up the mount and repeated the above process Going from Park 3 to Park 2 to Park 4.  The behavior of the mount was identical to when AutoConnect was set to "No"

I then went to the polar alignment menu. Used 3 star alignment with a Reticle eyepiece in the main OTA. I slewed to 3 target stars. Polaris, Vega, and I can't remember the third. Each time any necessary adjustments were made only using keypad direction keys. I synched each star. No re-cal was performed. Just synch to each of those 3 stars. 

Then I slewed to targets. I would describe the mount performance as nearly flawless at this point; certainly good enough for where I am in my learning curve. 

If starting in Park 3, verifying Park 2 and then polar aligning via 3 stars will yield accurate results, this is easily within my grasp. I will continue to leave Auto Connect On and just restart from where I left off. I agree that this will be much easier. Thank you for the suggestion. I did not understand the details as you described them regarding a permanent mount.

Lastly, I placed a volt meter in line from the battery as you suggested. It is now semi-permanent. I did notice that the voltage dropped pretty quickly from over 13 volts to somewhere between 12.5 to 12.85 volts but was always above 12 volts.

Thank you for your help,

Tom





On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 12:05 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
You have basically a permanent setup and I believe you are missing a fundamental fact about the mount CP4 controller. The fact is that the controller always knows where the mount is pointed, even after the power is removed. That assumes that you do not take the telescope off the mount and disturb the positions of the axes by loosening the clutches. Therefore, once you have established the mount's position in the sky by having it go to a known object and doing a Recal on it, then all other positions will be correct. There is never a need to go to a known park position and doing a "Resume from Park X" routine.

The absolute simplest and most foolproof way to operate your mount is to change the setting in the keypad from Autoconnect "NO" to Autoconnect "YES". This will insure that the logic in the mount servo controller is always in charge of the operation and is never fooled by human error during startup. With Autoconnect YES the mount will start automatically and will never be lost or go to wrong park positions. You can move your mount on the dolly and it will not change the mount's internal calibration - as long as you never loosen the clutches and move the axes manually.

You have a permanent setup, which is defined as having the telescope attached to the mount and never removed and not disturbing the axes by loosening the clutches. Therefore the best, easiest and most sure-fire way to start your mount is to allow the mount's controller to determine where the axes are, and not over-riding this internal knowledge by starting manually every time. Set the keypad to Autostart YES and your startup will be seamless and accurate every time. Of course you can park your mount at any of the park positions at the end of your session, even Park 1 if that's where the setup clears your roof. Autostart YES will take all that into consideration, EVEN if the mount is parked with counterweight up and past the meridian!!

IMPORTANT: as long as you never loosen the clutches and move the axes manually.

We put a lot of smarts into the CP4 controllers in order to make operation of the mount as simple as possible. You take advantage of that by setting the keypad to Autostart "YES". If you always start with Autostart "NO", then you are throwing away all the smarts that are built into the mount, and it becomes just another mediocre mount that needs a lot of babysitting to get it going every night. Does all this make sense to you?

Roland Christen
Astro-Physics Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

The mount and pier are on a motorized dolly. The dolly moves about 20-30 ft. I have not taken the setup apart yet but in the future, yes, it will be disassembled and substantially moved. 

I think updating the keypad to Park 5 and using the sequence you suggested will go a long way. 

Thank you,

Tom

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:42 AM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Let me ask you a more fundamental question. Do you have a fixed setup where you do not remove the scope from the mount after each session?

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Mike,
I received an email from Roland telling me to use Park 3, 2 and 5. So I will try that. 

I think I generally only used “resume from park” on the initial startup. Initially that was Park 1, until George said to use Park 3. So, from that point forward I would resume from Park 3. 

I store the mount in Park 1 so it will fit in the shed. Perhaps I can try Park 4 or 5 to store it. I will first try resuming from Park 4 or 5 but if that doesn't work, I will just start from Park 3 by manually placing it there by hand if necessary  after slewing to Park 3.

In terms of waiting, I never timed it but I never went immediately to a target, I didn’t realize there was a time crunch. I did read the manual but I think it takes a few iterations for it to all sink in. 

What was confusing is that some Park attempts would end with the OTA in very odd positions. So it wasn’t a small margin of error as if the difference was based on movement from tracking; there were many times it wasn’t even in the ballpark. As to if the weights were pointed upwards, I did not notice them pointing up but if it was by a small amount I may not have seen it.

I am interested to try Roland’s suggestion. I think I may have to update my keypad to get Park 5. 

I try not to bog the forum with beginner questions, I only really ask when my attempted solutions don’t seem to work at all.

Thank you for your help,

Tom




On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 6:56 PM Mike Dodd <mike@...> wrote:
On 9/21/2021 8:37 PM, Thomas Giannaccini wrote:
> When I try to attain Park 4 by slewing to it then
> manually adjusting, it throws the other Park positions off.

After you manually adjust the mount in Park 4, what do you do next? Do
you "Resume From Last Parked?"

> ...when the mount is in Park 1 and slews to Park 4 which way
> is the main objective of the OTA supposed to swing? South or North?

In Park 1, the OTA is horizontal pointing north. In Park 4, the OTA is
horizontal pointing south.

The issue with Park 1, as pointed out by A-P, is that as soon as you
unpark, the mount is tracking, and after only a few seconds, it believes
the counterweight is up, which can be bad. From the keypad manual: "Park
1 is only seconds away from tracking into a counterweight-up status and
slews from Park 1 to western objects may cause the scope to point toward
the ground when beginning the slew."

How long do you wait after unparking from Park 1 before you slew to a
sky target? I usually do that immediately, as quickly as I can pick a
target. I have never had a problem unparking from Park 1 if I'm quick to
slew  to an east target. But, again, Park 4 where I level the mount and
OTA if necessary. (Actually, I will use Park 5 in the future because
that doesn't stretch my imaging cables as much as Park 4.)

--- Mike


--- Mike







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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics


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Re: APCC Pro 1.9.0.11

R Botero
 

v1.9.0.11 working just fine with my 1600GTO.  Solving happily under the full Moon.
Thank you Ray!

Roberto


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

R Botero
 

New version working just fine!
Thank you Ray.

Roberto


Re: APCC with SGP Pier Flip Failure #APCC

Luca Marinelli
 

Hi Marcelo,

Be careful not to confuse the crossing of the Meridian line with Meridian limits set in APCC. Flip Offset is relative to the Meridian limit, which could be minutes or hours after the crossing the Meridian line. It's simply the RA position of the mount when the camera may get close to colliding with the pier at that declination. A positive Flip Offset is the time before reaching the Meridian limit when APCC will accept a command to flip the mount. When you check the West Limits checkbox and Send Limit with Offset to SGPro, the time that appears on the SGPro console when the flip will be initiated is the time displayed in the Time before limit reached box in APCC minus the Flip Offset. Again, depending on your setup, OTA, and target, this time could be hours after the Meridian crossing. A negative Flip Offset would put the mount in the danger zone of a pier crash.

If you use SGP to take care of pier flip, you can still use the Meridian limit tab in APCC to ensure that in case of software malfunction your OTA will stop tracking before a pier collision. Again, if you map out your meridian limit, this can be a fail safe if the pier flip does not happen. In that case, simply do not check the Send Limit with Offset to SGPro and you SGP will continue managing the flip as you have done before.

--Luca 


Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Roland Christen
 

Hello Thomas,

I sent you an e-mail with instructions that should solve the limit issue for Park4.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Cc: tgiann3@... <tgiann3@...>; howard@... <howard@...>; mikeh@... <mikeh@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Hello Thomas,

It appears that you are reaching a Dec limit when trying to slew to Park4. So do not use that park position until we can clear that up. I will consult with our tech guys and get back to you.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Roland,
Thank you for the time you took to write that email. Yesterday, I was able to follow your instructions with some success but an issue still remains. I will outline my actions below.

I rough polar aligned the mount using RAPAs.
I updated the keypad firmware. I still do not have Park 5 in my list. Therefore, I used Park 4 instead, as will be described. 


I double checked my time and location data. Please note I am currently in the mountain time zone. The time was precisely synched at the correct moment although the screen shot of the official time was taken a few seconds after the time synch was completed.

IMG_0711.jpgIMG_0712.PNG
IMG_0713.jpgIMG_0714.PNG

I began this process with Auto Connect "No" to see how the process would go and to allow for a comparison.

I started in Park 3 (a rough, eyeball approximation)
I slewed to Park 2; It was spot on. Level was verified with a carpenter's level, 
I slewed to Park 4. It was off as shown below. The RA moved correctly The CW shaft was level and pointing West. When the Dec axis rotated it stopped at approximately the 10:30 position (just past 10 O'clock) and retreated to about 10 O'clock. This makes me think some sort of limit was hit?
IMG_0708.jpg
I then adjusted the OTA position so that it was correctly in Park 4. this change in Dec axis rotation was made my loosening clutches and moving the OTA by hand. Level was verified with a carpenter's level. 

I then slewed the mount back to Park 3. It was also not correct. It appeared to be off by the same amount that Park 4 was off. This is what Park 3 looked like:
IMG_0706.jpg
IMG_0707.jpg

Again I loosened the clutches, corrected the OTA position to Park 3. Then I slewed to Park 2. It was, again, spot on. Park 4 was again off by the same amount as before.  So the issue here is that I can attain either Park 3 or Park 4 but not both. This was all with AutoConnect "No".

I then selected Auto Connect "Yes"
I powered down the mount. I plut the OTA in Park 3 by loosening the clutches. I powered up the mount and repeated the above process Going from Park 3 to Park 2 to Park 4.  The behavior of the mount was identical to when AutoConnect was set to "No"

I then went to the polar alignment menu. Used 3 star alignment with a Reticle eyepiece in the main OTA. I slewed to 3 target stars. Polaris, Vega, and I can't remember the third. Each time any necessary adjustments were made only using keypad direction keys. I synched each star. No re-cal was performed. Just synch to each of those 3 stars. 

Then I slewed to targets. I would describe the mount performance as nearly flawless at this point; certainly good enough for where I am in my learning curve. 

If starting in Park 3, verifying Park 2 and then polar aligning via 3 stars will yield accurate results, this is easily within my grasp. I will continue to leave Auto Connect On and just restart from where I left off. I agree that this will be much easier. Thank you for the suggestion. I did not understand the details as you described them regarding a permanent mount.

Lastly, I placed a volt meter in line from the battery as you suggested. It is now semi-permanent. I did notice that the voltage dropped pretty quickly from over 13 volts to somewhere between 12.5 to 12.85 volts but was always above 12 volts.

Thank you for your help,

Tom





On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 12:05 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
You have basically a permanent setup and I believe you are missing a fundamental fact about the mount CP4 controller. The fact is that the controller always knows where the mount is pointed, even after the power is removed. That assumes that you do not take the telescope off the mount and disturb the positions of the axes by loosening the clutches. Therefore, once you have established the mount's position in the sky by having it go to a known object and doing a Recal on it, then all other positions will be correct. There is never a need to go to a known park position and doing a "Resume from Park X" routine.

The absolute simplest and most foolproof way to operate your mount is to change the setting in the keypad from Autoconnect "NO" to Autoconnect "YES". This will insure that the logic in the mount servo controller is always in charge of the operation and is never fooled by human error during startup. With Autoconnect YES the mount will start automatically and will never be lost or go to wrong park positions. You can move your mount on the dolly and it will not change the mount's internal calibration - as long as you never loosen the clutches and move the axes manually.

You have a permanent setup, which is defined as having the telescope attached to the mount and never removed and not disturbing the axes by loosening the clutches. Therefore the best, easiest and most sure-fire way to start your mount is to allow the mount's controller to determine where the axes are, and not over-riding this internal knowledge by starting manually every time. Set the keypad to Autostart YES and your startup will be seamless and accurate every time. Of course you can park your mount at any of the park positions at the end of your session, even Park 1 if that's where the setup clears your roof. Autostart YES will take all that into consideration, EVEN if the mount is parked with counterweight up and past the meridian!!

IMPORTANT: as long as you never loosen the clutches and move the axes manually.

We put a lot of smarts into the CP4 controllers in order to make operation of the mount as simple as possible. You take advantage of that by setting the keypad to Autostart "YES". If you always start with Autostart "NO", then you are throwing away all the smarts that are built into the mount, and it becomes just another mediocre mount that needs a lot of babysitting to get it going every night. Does all this make sense to you?

Roland Christen
Astro-Physics Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

The mount and pier are on a motorized dolly. The dolly moves about 20-30 ft. I have not taken the setup apart yet but in the future, yes, it will be disassembled and substantially moved. 

I think updating the keypad to Park 5 and using the sequence you suggested will go a long way. 

Thank you,

Tom

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:42 AM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Let me ask you a more fundamental question. Do you have a fixed setup where you do not remove the scope from the mount after each session?

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Mike,
I received an email from Roland telling me to use Park 3, 2 and 5. So I will try that. 

I think I generally only used “resume from park” on the initial startup. Initially that was Park 1, until George said to use Park 3. So, from that point forward I would resume from Park 3. 

I store the mount in Park 1 so it will fit in the shed. Perhaps I can try Park 4 or 5 to store it. I will first try resuming from Park 4 or 5 but if that doesn't work, I will just start from Park 3 by manually placing it there by hand if necessary  after slewing to Park 3.

In terms of waiting, I never timed it but I never went immediately to a target, I didn’t realize there was a time crunch. I did read the manual but I think it takes a few iterations for it to all sink in. 

What was confusing is that some Park attempts would end with the OTA in very odd positions. So it wasn’t a small margin of error as if the difference was based on movement from tracking; there were many times it wasn’t even in the ballpark. As to if the weights were pointed upwards, I did not notice them pointing up but if it was by a small amount I may not have seen it.

I am interested to try Roland’s suggestion. I think I may have to update my keypad to get Park 5. 

I try not to bog the forum with beginner questions, I only really ask when my attempted solutions don’t seem to work at all.

Thank you for your help,

Tom




On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 6:56 PM Mike Dodd <mike@...> wrote:
On 9/21/2021 8:37 PM, Thomas Giannaccini wrote:
> When I try to attain Park 4 by slewing to it then
> manually adjusting, it throws the other Park positions off.

After you manually adjust the mount in Park 4, what do you do next? Do
you "Resume From Last Parked?"

> ...when the mount is in Park 1 and slews to Park 4 which way
> is the main objective of the OTA supposed to swing? South or North?

In Park 1, the OTA is horizontal pointing north. In Park 4, the OTA is
horizontal pointing south.

The issue with Park 1, as pointed out by A-P, is that as soon as you
unpark, the mount is tracking, and after only a few seconds, it believes
the counterweight is up, which can be bad. From the keypad manual: "Park
1 is only seconds away from tracking into a counterweight-up status and
slews from Park 1 to western objects may cause the scope to point toward
the ground when beginning the slew."

How long do you wait after unparking from Park 1 before you slew to a
sky target? I usually do that immediately, as quickly as I can pick a
target. I have never had a problem unparking from Park 1 if I'm quick to
slew  to an east target. But, again, Park 4 where I level the mount and
OTA if necessary. (Actually, I will use Park 5 in the future because
that doesn't stretch my imaging cables as much as Park 4.)

--- Mike


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Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Roland Christen
 

Hello Thomas,

It appears that you are reaching a Dec limit when trying to slew to Park4. So do not use that park position until we can clear that up. I will consult with our tech guys and get back to you.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Roland,
Thank you for the time you took to write that email. Yesterday, I was able to follow your instructions with some success but an issue still remains. I will outline my actions below.

I rough polar aligned the mount using RAPAs.
I updated the keypad firmware. I still do not have Park 5 in my list. Therefore, I used Park 4 instead, as will be described. 


I double checked my time and location data. Please note I am currently in the mountain time zone. The time was precisely synched at the correct moment although the screen shot of the official time was taken a few seconds after the time synch was completed.

IMG_0711.jpgIMG_0712.PNG
IMG_0713.jpgIMG_0714.PNG

I began this process with Auto Connect "No" to see how the process would go and to allow for a comparison.

I started in Park 3 (a rough, eyeball approximation)
I slewed to Park 2; It was spot on. Level was verified with a carpenter's level, 
I slewed to Park 4. It was off as shown below. The RA moved correctly The CW shaft was level and pointing West. When the Dec axis rotated it stopped at approximately the 10:30 position (just past 10 O'clock) and retreated to about 10 O'clock. This makes me think some sort of limit was hit?
IMG_0708.jpg
I then adjusted the OTA position so that it was correctly in Park 4. this change in Dec axis rotation was made my loosening clutches and moving the OTA by hand. Level was verified with a carpenter's level. 

I then slewed the mount back to Park 3. It was also not correct. It appeared to be off by the same amount that Park 4 was off. This is what Park 3 looked like:
IMG_0706.jpg
IMG_0707.jpg

Again I loosened the clutches, corrected the OTA position to Park 3. Then I slewed to Park 2. It was, again, spot on. Park 4 was again off by the same amount as before.  So the issue here is that I can attain either Park 3 or Park 4 but not both. This was all with AutoConnect "No".

I then selected Auto Connect "Yes"
I powered down the mount. I plut the OTA in Park 3 by loosening the clutches. I powered up the mount and repeated the above process Going from Park 3 to Park 2 to Park 4.  The behavior of the mount was identical to when AutoConnect was set to "No"

I then went to the polar alignment menu. Used 3 star alignment with a Reticle eyepiece in the main OTA. I slewed to 3 target stars. Polaris, Vega, and I can't remember the third. Each time any necessary adjustments were made only using keypad direction keys. I synched each star. No re-cal was performed. Just synch to each of those 3 stars. 

Then I slewed to targets. I would describe the mount performance as nearly flawless at this point; certainly good enough for where I am in my learning curve. 

If starting in Park 3, verifying Park 2 and then polar aligning via 3 stars will yield accurate results, this is easily within my grasp. I will continue to leave Auto Connect On and just restart from where I left off. I agree that this will be much easier. Thank you for the suggestion. I did not understand the details as you described them regarding a permanent mount.

Lastly, I placed a volt meter in line from the battery as you suggested. It is now semi-permanent. I did notice that the voltage dropped pretty quickly from over 13 volts to somewhere between 12.5 to 12.85 volts but was always above 12 volts.

Thank you for your help,

Tom





On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 12:05 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
You have basically a permanent setup and I believe you are missing a fundamental fact about the mount CP4 controller. The fact is that the controller always knows where the mount is pointed, even after the power is removed. That assumes that you do not take the telescope off the mount and disturb the positions of the axes by loosening the clutches. Therefore, once you have established the mount's position in the sky by having it go to a known object and doing a Recal on it, then all other positions will be correct. There is never a need to go to a known park position and doing a "Resume from Park X" routine.

The absolute simplest and most foolproof way to operate your mount is to change the setting in the keypad from Autoconnect "NO" to Autoconnect "YES". This will insure that the logic in the mount servo controller is always in charge of the operation and is never fooled by human error during startup. With Autoconnect YES the mount will start automatically and will never be lost or go to wrong park positions. You can move your mount on the dolly and it will not change the mount's internal calibration - as long as you never loosen the clutches and move the axes manually.

You have a permanent setup, which is defined as having the telescope attached to the mount and never removed and not disturbing the axes by loosening the clutches. Therefore the best, easiest and most sure-fire way to start your mount is to allow the mount's controller to determine where the axes are, and not over-riding this internal knowledge by starting manually every time. Set the keypad to Autostart YES and your startup will be seamless and accurate every time. Of course you can park your mount at any of the park positions at the end of your session, even Park 1 if that's where the setup clears your roof. Autostart YES will take all that into consideration, EVEN if the mount is parked with counterweight up and past the meridian!!

IMPORTANT: as long as you never loosen the clutches and move the axes manually.

We put a lot of smarts into the CP4 controllers in order to make operation of the mount as simple as possible. You take advantage of that by setting the keypad to Autostart "YES". If you always start with Autostart "NO", then you are throwing away all the smarts that are built into the mount, and it becomes just another mediocre mount that needs a lot of babysitting to get it going every night. Does all this make sense to you?

Roland Christen
Astro-Physics Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

The mount and pier are on a motorized dolly. The dolly moves about 20-30 ft. I have not taken the setup apart yet but in the future, yes, it will be disassembled and substantially moved. 

I think updating the keypad to Park 5 and using the sequence you suggested will go a long way. 

Thank you,

Tom

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:42 AM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Let me ask you a more fundamental question. Do you have a fixed setup where you do not remove the scope from the mount after each session?

Roland

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Mike,
I received an email from Roland telling me to use Park 3, 2 and 5. So I will try that. 

I think I generally only used “resume from park” on the initial startup. Initially that was Park 1, until George said to use Park 3. So, from that point forward I would resume from Park 3. 

I store the mount in Park 1 so it will fit in the shed. Perhaps I can try Park 4 or 5 to store it. I will first try resuming from Park 4 or 5 but if that doesn't work, I will just start from Park 3 by manually placing it there by hand if necessary  after slewing to Park 3.

In terms of waiting, I never timed it but I never went immediately to a target, I didn’t realize there was a time crunch. I did read the manual but I think it takes a few iterations for it to all sink in. 

What was confusing is that some Park attempts would end with the OTA in very odd positions. So it wasn’t a small margin of error as if the difference was based on movement from tracking; there were many times it wasn’t even in the ballpark. As to if the weights were pointed upwards, I did not notice them pointing up but if it was by a small amount I may not have seen it.

I am interested to try Roland’s suggestion. I think I may have to update my keypad to get Park 5. 

I try not to bog the forum with beginner questions, I only really ask when my attempted solutions don’t seem to work at all.

Thank you for your help,

Tom




On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 6:56 PM Mike Dodd <mike@...> wrote:
On 9/21/2021 8:37 PM, Thomas Giannaccini wrote:
> When I try to attain Park 4 by slewing to it then
> manually adjusting, it throws the other Park positions off.

After you manually adjust the mount in Park 4, what do you do next? Do
you "Resume From Last Parked?"

> ...when the mount is in Park 1 and slews to Park 4 which way
> is the main objective of the OTA supposed to swing? South or North?

In Park 1, the OTA is horizontal pointing north. In Park 4, the OTA is
horizontal pointing south.

The issue with Park 1, as pointed out by A-P, is that as soon as you
unpark, the mount is tracking, and after only a few seconds, it believes
the counterweight is up, which can be bad. From the keypad manual: "Park
1 is only seconds away from tracking into a counterweight-up status and
slews from Park 1 to western objects may cause the scope to point toward
the ground when beginning the slew."

How long do you wait after unparking from Park 1 before you slew to a
sky target? I usually do that immediately, as quickly as I can pick a
target. I have never had a problem unparking from Park 1 if I'm quick to
slew  to an east target. But, again, Park 4 where I level the mount and
OTA if necessary. (Actually, I will use Park 5 in the future because
that doesn't stretch my imaging cables as much as Park 4.)

--- Mike


--- Mike







--
CN: HasAnyoneSeenMyNeblua

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
CN: HasAnyoneSeenMyNeblua

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
CN: HasAnyoneSeenMyNeblua

--
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Astro-Physics

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