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Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Bill Long
 

Interesting result. I ran APCC last night but didn't build a new model, I just used the one I had already. I did install the new version and didn't see any other problems. If the rollback worked it must be something in the new version causing your problem.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Rouz <rbidshahri@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:27 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM different with V1.9.0.9?
 
Just checked some of them from the 1.9.0.9 run. Stars are sharp. You can see the plavesolve Delta Ra was in the thousands of arcminutes which didn't make sense.
Its ticking along now.

What causes those slew warning?


-Rouz,


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 
Edited

Just checked some of them from the 1.9.0.9 run. Stars are sharp. You can see the plavesolve Delta Ra was in the thousands of arcminutes which didn't make sense.
Its ticking along now.

What causes those slew warnings?


-Rouz,


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

 

yes that sounds great

i was more referring to looking at the solved images from your 1.9.0.9 run and seeing what they look like. There may be a clue in there, particularly if you are seeing "slew warnings"

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:00 PM Rouz <rbidshahri@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,


The OTA is a CDK12.5 (they are quite rigid) I doubt its OTA related, it is now making a model and working fine after rolling back. Ive been testing this combo for a few weeks now and it was working previously.

"require high accuracy slews"  is ON

-Rouz



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Brian Valente


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 

Hi Brian,


The OTA is a CDK12.5 (they are quite rigid) I doubt its OTA related, it is now making a model and working fine after rolling back. Ive been testing this combo for a few weeks now and it was working previously.

"require high accuracy slews"  is ON

-Rouz


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

 

Hi Rouz

what kind of ota do you have?

I have a couple thoughts to how to diagnose what's going on, having had similar warnings as yours:

If/when you return to 19.0.9 - 
I'd try a smaller model to test, maybe 50-70 points
I would increase your mount settle time to maybe 15 seconds, and enable "require high accuracy slews" 
I would also Save All plate solve images (under Tools menu in APPM) 
You can then inspect the images to see if the mount is settling properly. Look for nice round stars and not streaks


Brian

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 10:39 PM Rouz <rbidshahri@...> wrote:
Screenshot of APPM working after rolling back to V1.9.0.7.



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Brian Valente


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 

Screenshot of APPM working after rolling back to V1.9.0.7.


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 

I just reinstalled the older V1.9.0.7 and it's back to normal and working again.

Also, with the new update (V1.9.0.9) there was a long 5 to 10 second pause after every slew   " Slew Warning".


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Phillip Klein
 

Hi Joseph,

That was my thought and thank you for the reassurance.

Best,

Phil

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:13 PM Joseph Beyer <jcbeyer2001@...> wrote:
Phil, you're likely safe.  The lions would normally rather not be seen.    


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 
Edited

I have tried several times now with the same results:


Re: APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 

Here is how it was previously:


APPM different with V1.9.0.9?

Rouz
 

Hi Ray,

Just installed V1.9.0.9 and running APPM again.

The RA Delta figure getting larger and larger with every plateslove and then its fails.

Im using ASTAP and NINA which working perfectly last week. 

I tried "Use last pate solve's offset as hint" on and off.

I tried pointing model corrections on and off.

Attached are the new APPM results:


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Joseph Beyer
 

Phil, you're likely safe.  The lions would normally rather not be seen.    


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Joseph Beyer
 

"If it let out some big cat howls, it was looking for love, not a fight."

Ha! Who'd a thought a male animal looking for companionship would get loud and rowdy!  Likely just a night of misunderstandings.  From the sounds of it the adventure was a bit unnerving for the astronomers.  They first saw the cat when it was trotting up the road towards them and realizing what it was did their best wildlife-expert-recommended be as big as you can and make noise.  It stopped advancing but then continued to circle and howl for awhile while they watched and decided what to do.  Leaving seemed to be the best decision.

It may be the current drought or who knows what but there have been a lot of security cameras pictures of at least one lion around our neighborhood.  Probably the same one that ran in back of my car after it tried to grab one of the yearling fawns in a neighbor's yard.  A couple of neighbor's house cats haven't been as lucky to escape.

The coyotes, they're around too.  Some guy a couple blocks away caught a video of a pack chasing a raccoon down the street.   Glad I have an 8 foot fence around the yard!


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Phillip Klein
 

Hi Joseph,

That is very interesting. I kind of hoped if the cat smelled me he would cut a wide path. Apparently, that is not the case. I will keep the bear spray handy.

Best,

Phil

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 4:37 PM Joseph Beyer <jcbeyer2001@...> wrote:
It's a spooky sound.  Sitting out next to the telescope and hearing a deer being killed in the neighbor's yard leaves a person feeling a bit exposed.  I still prefer the four legged neighbors rather than the two legged variety!  

There have been a number guys in the local astronomy club using the darker regional parks who have had experiences with the local mountain lions.  For whatever reason a lion approached the groups after dark and let out a few big cat howls.  The call of the wild was followed by a rapid packing of vehicles and calling it a night.


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

M Hambrick
 

Coyotes can be pretty unnerving to hear when there is a pack of them. There is a pack always roaming around in the fields behind my house looking for deer, goats, or young cows. The sound can best be described as being like the crowd at the local high school football game when their team scores a touchdown. I don't think they really pose any threat to humans, but I am still glad there is a fence between them and me. The local ranchers usually keep donkeys in amongst their cattle to keep the coyotes away.

Mike


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Bill Long
 

That would look funny. Probably wouldn't end funny.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
We are not changing the weight rating. This is a short fat scope and I don't want someone throwing a 9" refractor on this mount, thinking it will handle it.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris White <chris.white@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 08:57 PM, Bill Long wrote:
Yeah!!! Now that's a torture test! Really looking forward to hearing how that goes.
100%.  This will be an awesome test.  Might need to up the weight rating though if it is successful!  ;-)

I'll be watching this one. 

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Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Roland Christen
 

We are not changing the weight rating. This is a short fat scope and I don't want someone throwing a 9" refractor on this mount, thinking it will handle it.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris White <chris.white@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 08:57 PM, Bill Long wrote:
Yeah!!! Now that's a torture test! Really looking forward to hearing how that goes.
100%.  This will be an awesome test.  Might need to up the weight rating though if it is successful!  ;-)

I'll be watching this one. 

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Chris White
 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 08:57 PM, Bill Long wrote:
Yeah!!! Now that's a torture test! Really looking forward to hearing how that goes.
100%.  This will be an awesome test.  Might need to up the weight rating though if it is successful!  ;-)

I'll be watching this one. 


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Christopher Erickson
 

If it let out some big cat howls, it was looking for love, not a fight. And one or more people in the group must have had indoor cats and their clothes were saturated with cat musk.

Hunting cats make no noise whatsoever.

I thought you needed to know that. LOL!

-Christopher Erickson
Observatory Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, Hawaii


On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 1:43 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have coyotes in the cornfields nearby that howl up a storm whenever a distant police car sounds his siren. They also howl at the Moon when it rises over the treetops.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Beyer <jcbeyer2001@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

It's a spooky sound.  Sitting out next to the telescope and hearing a deer being killed in the neighbor's yard leaves a person feeling a bit exposed.  I still prefer the four legged neighbors rather than the two legged variety!  

There have been a number guys in the local astronomy club using the darker regional parks who have had experiences with the local mountain lions.  For whatever reason a lion approached the groups after dark and let out a few big cat howls.  The call of the wild was followed by a rapid packing of vehicles and calling it a night.

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

Roland Christen
 

I have coyotes in the cornfields nearby that howl up a storm whenever a distant police car sounds his siren. They also howl at the Moon when it rises over the treetops.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Beyer <jcbeyer2001@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] semi-OT: deterring critters in the obsy

It's a spooky sound.  Sitting out next to the telescope and hearing a deer being killed in the neighbor's yard leaves a person feeling a bit exposed.  I still prefer the four legged neighbors rather than the two legged variety!  

There have been a number guys in the local astronomy club using the darker regional parks who have had experiences with the local mountain lions.  For whatever reason a lion approached the groups after dark and let out a few big cat howls.  The call of the wild was followed by a rapid packing of vehicles and calling it a night.

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

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