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Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Mike Dodd
 

On 9/21/2021 8:37 PM, Thomas Giannaccini wrote:
When I try to attain Park 4 by slewing to it then
manually adjusting, it throws the other Park positions off.
After you manually adjust the mount in Park 4, what do you do next? Do you "Resume From Last Parked?"

...when the mount is in Park 1 and slews to Park 4 which way
is the main objective of the OTA supposed to swing? South or North?
In Park 1, the OTA is horizontal pointing north. In Park 4, the OTA is horizontal pointing south.

The issue with Park 1, as pointed out by A-P, is that as soon as you unpark, the mount is tracking, and after only a few seconds, it believes the counterweight is up, which can be bad. From the keypad manual: "Park 1 is only seconds away from tracking into a counterweight-up status and slews from Park 1 to western objects may cause the scope to point toward the ground when beginning the slew."

How long do you wait after unparking from Park 1 before you slew to a sky target? I usually do that immediately, as quickly as I can pick a target. I have never had a problem unparking from Park 1 if I'm quick to slew to an east target. But, again, Park 4 where I level the mount and OTA if necessary. (Actually, I will use Park 5 in the future because that doesn't stretch my imaging cables as much as Park 4.)

--- Mike


--- Mike


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Eric Weiner
 

It sure looks like a beast. I mean that in a good way.

Eric


Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Thomas Giannaccini
 

Thank you Mike, I thought the mount would "know" where these Park positions were based on internal features to the mount rather than input data. I do also wonder if somehow I keep hitting various limits. I believe I did hit a RA limit slewing ease and west which was resolved by starting from Park 3. I am now wondering if I'm hitting a Dec Axis (North/South) limit. It is possible I was swinging the main objective of the OTA in the wrong direction when manually moving from Park 1 to Park 4. 

Your reply is very helpful. 

Thank you,

Tom   

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mike Dodd <mike@...> wrote:
On 9/21/2021 6:57 PM, Thomas Giannaccini wrote:
> After speaking with George (who was very helpful) I have come to realize
> that Park 3 is the position which is central to all else. One would
> think that once Park 3 is re-established that Park 1,2 and 4 would then
> be attainable

Park 1 used to be the "reference" position, but now Park 4 or 5 is
recommended instead. Loosen the clutches and command the mount with the
keypad or ASCOM driver to park in Park 4 or Park 5.

Next, loosen the clutches and physically make the counterweight shaft
and the OTA level. Once you do this, unpark the scope from "last parked."

If the mount has your date/time and your local coordinates, you should
be able to slew to a target with good accuracy.

> I spent several sessions with the mount where I thought that because I
> was unable to achieve all (1-4) Park positions, that I would not be able
> to find my targets.

I use a machinist's level accurate to 20 arcsec to level my 1200's CW
shaft and OTA in Park 1(I'll use Park 4 next time), and when I unpark
and slew to a target, it's within the central 50% of my camera's sensor.

I don't think one Park position is related to any other one. They ARE
related to coordinates and date/time.

--- Mike







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Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Roland Christen
 

If you add everything it will be close to a hunnert. The focuser itself is a chunk. Then camera, filter wheel, off-axis guider, dovetail system... it all adds up.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

That looks really nice! I'm guessing the 70lbs is all in with camera, scope, etc?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 5:01 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
It's the twin to the one we installed in Chile: http://lascampanasremote.org/observatory/

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

What design is this new 12" of yours going to be? Mak Cass like the previous, or something more like what the 17" uses?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:42 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
George, that's simply amazing naming sir. Bravo!! 😂


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Some nebulae are probably made from Velveeta cheese. Our George has named his observatory Velveeta Valley observatory since it's right in the middle of Northern Illinois cow country, complete with the smells.
http://www.cleardarksky.com/c/VVOILkey.html?1

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:16 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 6:39:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk

https://www.astrobin.com/g0bpv3/C/

This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics


Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Thomas Giannaccini
 

Hi Roland,
I used the GPS coordinates from the compass app on my iPhone for where I was standing right next to the mount. I'm somewhat tech savy but not immune to  the learning curve. As a related disclaimer, I am able to get the pier somewhat level but not completely level due to landscape features. I am able to polar align the scope using the RAPAS. I did realize that I had set the time zone and daylight savings settings incorrectly early on but have long since fixed that. I do check time and location each time I start the mount up. The mount only moves about 20 to 30 ft between uses (from inside a tarp shed to outside the shed). Sometimes I even leave it in place overnight if the forecast is dry and I'll be using it the next night. I've used the mount approximately 8-10 times and the keypad seems fairly intuitive at this point but I do verify that I am not making mistakes.

As per George, an issue I was having early on was that I was hitting a limit. I had been starting at Park 1. The issue was resolved by slewing to Park 3 then manually adjusting the scope to Park 3. Generally, from Park 3 I can attain Park 1. Generally, I cannot attain both Park 4 and Park 1 simultaneously. When I try to attain Park 4 by slewing to it then manually adjusting, it throws the other Park positions off. Park 2 has been hit and miss depending on the sequence prior to an attempt to reach it. I cannot tell if I am hitting other limits somehow. A good question to ask now is when the mount is in Park 1 and slews to Park 4 which way is the main objective of the OTA supposed to swing? South or North? 

It seems as though polar aligning then starting at Park 3 and just moving forward is the easiest and most reliable process.

George did mention that it would probably be easier to run the mount from my PC, so I am deciphering that process now. I have already downloaded the drivers and such from the AP support page. I will be using Prism to run the mount which is ASCOM compliant.  In terms of hardware connections, I will be using an ethernet cable directly from my PC to the CP4 ethernet port.

Thank you for your help,

Tom

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 5:51 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
All this only works if the latitude location data is correct. If the keypad is set for Miami and the mount is in Montana, then this will cause the park positions to be wrong.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dodd <mike@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

On 9/21/2021 6:57 PM, Thomas Giannaccini wrote:
> After speaking with George (who was very helpful) I have come to realize
> that Park 3 is the position which is central to all else. One would
> think that once Park 3 is re-established that Park 1,2 and 4 would then
> be attainable

Park 1 used to be the "reference" position, but now Park 4 or 5 is
recommended instead. Loosen the clutches and command the mount with the
keypad or ASCOM driver to park in Park 4 or Park 5.

Next, loosen the clutches and physically make the counterweight shaft
and the OTA level. Once you do this, unpark the scope from "last parked."

If the mount has your date/time and your local coordinates, you should
be able to slew to a target with good accuracy.

> I spent several sessions with the mount where I thought that because I
> was unable to achieve all (1-4) Park positions, that I would not be able
> to find my targets.

I use a machinist's level accurate to 20 arcsec to level my 1200's CW
shaft and OTA in Park 1(I'll use Park 4 next time), and when I unpark
and slew to a target, it's within the central 50% of my camera's sensor.

I don't think one Park position is related to any other one. They ARE
related to coordinates and date/time.

--- Mike







--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


--
CN: HasAnyoneSeenMyNeblua


Re: APCC with SGP Pier Flip Failure #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

What are the settings on APCC's meridian limits tab?

E.g., Are meridian limits enabled? What flip offset do you have defined? Etc.

-Ray

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Subject: [ap-gto] APCC with SGP Pier Flip Failure #APCC

Greetings. I posted this on SGP forum as I think the issue is mostly on their end, but thought that I would
also post it here for help.



Generally pier flips have been working with SGP 4.0.0.680 and APCC on my AP1100, however last night it
failed an unattended pier flip and aborted my sequence for the night. So I lost about 5 hours of imaging.

It has been working, but I was always worried that I might run into the same issue as I have when I do a
delayed counter weight up pier flip. When using APCC and using the delayed counter weight up functionality,
everything works fine with SGP until the actual flip is commanded. When my AP1100 mount slews from a
counter weight up position it performs a “Safety Slew”. First the mount only moves in RA to get to a counter
weight up position as this prevents the dec from rotating the scope into pier. The mount pauses for a couple
of seconds after the RA has moved to counter weight level before it starts the move the requested RA/DEC or
pier flip.

This is when I think the problem occurs. SGP thinks that the mount has already completed the slew and gives
the error that the scope is still on the West side of the pier due to this delay. I currently have the pier flip delay
set to 1 min past the meridian to prevent the scope from oscillating back and forth during the plate solve after
the pier flip, but it looks like this time the safety slew delay caused SGP to abort. It would be really good to
get this fixed as then I could use the delayed flip feature of APCC and SGP, but at the very least, this needs
to be made reliable with a standard flip.

I have included both log files, and will also post it on AP’s forum. But I don’t want to get caught between two
companies blaming each other. SGP and AP are both premier companies in my mind and I just want to get
this working.

Link to Logs

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OIw_Wl-woeZOhckmpu6_BLrnRSlvSoQv?usp=sharing

Useful Info

OS: Windows 10
Ver: SGP 4.0.0.680 64-bit
APCC Version 1.9.0.7


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Bill Long
 

Pro level install for sure!


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
as a total aside, that is an impressive flatman install ;)

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 5:01 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
It's the twin to the one we installed in Chile: http://lascampanasremote.org/observatory/

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

What design is this new 12" of yours going to be? Mak Cass like the previous, or something more like what the 17" uses?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:42 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
George, that's simply amazing naming sir. Bravo!! 😂


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Some nebulae are probably made from Velveeta cheese. Our George has named his observatory Velveeta Valley observatory since it's right in the middle of Northern Illinois cow country, complete with the smells.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:16 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk


This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

--
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Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics



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Brian Valente


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Bill Long
 

That looks really nice! I'm guessing the 70lbs is all in with camera, scope, etc?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 5:01 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
It's the twin to the one we installed in Chile: http://lascampanasremote.org/observatory/

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

What design is this new 12" of yours going to be? Mak Cass like the previous, or something more like what the 17" uses?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:42 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
George, that's simply amazing naming sir. Bravo!! 😂


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Some nebulae are probably made from Velveeta cheese. Our George has named his observatory Velveeta Valley observatory since it's right in the middle of Northern Illinois cow country, complete with the smells.
http://www.cleardarksky.com/c/VVOILkey.html?1

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:16 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 6:39:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk

https://www.astrobin.com/g0bpv3/C/

This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
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Astro-Physics


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

 

as a total aside, that is an impressive flatman install ;)


On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 5:01 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
It's the twin to the one we installed in Chile: http://lascampanasremote.org/observatory/

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

What design is this new 12" of yours going to be? Mak Cass like the previous, or something more like what the 17" uses?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:42 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
George, that's simply amazing naming sir. Bravo!! 😂


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Some nebulae are probably made from Velveeta cheese. Our George has named his observatory Velveeta Valley observatory since it's right in the middle of Northern Illinois cow country, complete with the smells.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk


This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

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Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Roland Christen
 

It's the twin to the one we installed in Chile: http://lascampanasremote.org/observatory/

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

What design is this new 12" of yours going to be? Mak Cass like the previous, or something more like what the 17" uses?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
George, that's simply amazing naming sir. Bravo!! 😂


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Some nebulae are probably made from Velveeta cheese. Our George has named his observatory Velveeta Valley observatory since it's right in the middle of Northern Illinois cow country, complete with the smells.
http://www.cleardarksky.com/c/VVOILkey.html?1

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk

https://www.astrobin.com/g0bpv3/C/

This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

--
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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Bill Long
 

What design is this new 12" of yours going to be? Mak Cass like the previous, or something more like what the 17" uses?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
George, that's simply amazing naming sir. Bravo!! 😂


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
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To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Some nebulae are probably made from Velveeta cheese. Our George has named his observatory Velveeta Valley observatory since it's right in the middle of Northern Illinois cow country, complete with the smells.
http://www.cleardarksky.com/c/VVOILkey.html?1

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:16 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk

https://www.astrobin.com/g0bpv3/C/

This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

--
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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics


Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Roland Christen
 

All this only works if the latitude location data is correct. If the keypad is set for Miami and the mount is in Montana, then this will cause the park positions to be wrong.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dodd <mike@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

On 9/21/2021 6:57 PM, Thomas Giannaccini wrote:
> After speaking with George (who was very helpful) I have come to realize
> that Park 3 is the position which is central to all else. One would
> think that once Park 3 is re-established that Park 1,2 and 4 would then
> be attainable

Park 1 used to be the "reference" position, but now Park 4 or 5 is
recommended instead. Loosen the clutches and command the mount with the
keypad or ASCOM driver to park in Park 4 or Park 5.

Next, loosen the clutches and physically make the counterweight shaft
and the OTA level. Once you do this, unpark the scope from "last parked."

If the mount has your date/time and your local coordinates, you should
be able to slew to a target with good accuracy.

> I spent several sessions with the mount where I thought that because I
> was unable to achieve all (1-4) Park positions, that I would not be able
> to find my targets.

I use a machinist's level accurate to 20 arcsec to level my 1200's CW
shaft and OTA in Park 1(I'll use Park 4 next time), and when I unpark
and slew to a target, it's within the central 50% of my camera's sensor.

I don't think one Park position is related to any other one. They ARE
related to coordinates and date/time.

--- Mike







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Astro-Physics


Re: IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Dean Jacobsen
 

I was just thinking that I should put Mu Cephei on my imaging list after sending my post.  It is on there now but I will probably have to wait until the new TEC140FL arrives later this year so I can have a little more magnification than the FSQ-106.
--
Dean Jacobsen
Astrobin Image Gallery - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/


Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Mike Dodd
 

On 9/21/2021 6:57 PM, Thomas Giannaccini wrote:
After speaking with George (who was very helpful) I have come to realize
that Park 3 is the position which is central to all else. One would
think that once Park 3 is re-established that Park 1,2 and 4 would then
be attainable
Park 1 used to be the "reference" position, but now Park 4 or 5 is recommended instead. Loosen the clutches and command the mount with the keypad or ASCOM driver to park in Park 4 or Park 5.

Next, loosen the clutches and physically make the counterweight shaft and the OTA level. Once you do this, unpark the scope from "last parked."

If the mount has your date/time and your local coordinates, you should be able to slew to a target with good accuracy.

I spent several sessions with the mount where I thought that because I
was unable to achieve all (1-4) Park positions, that I would not be able
to find my targets.
I use a machinist's level accurate to 20 arcsec to level my 1200's CW shaft and OTA in Park 1(I'll use Park 4 next time), and when I unpark and slew to a target, it's within the central 50% of my camera's sensor.

I don't think one Park position is related to any other one. They ARE related to coordinates and date/time.

--- Mike


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Bill Long
 

George, that's simply amazing naming sir. Bravo!! 😂


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Some nebulae are probably made from Velveeta cheese. Our George has named his observatory Velveeta Valley observatory since it's right in the middle of Northern Illinois cow country, complete with the smells.
http://www.cleardarksky.com/c/VVOILkey.html?1

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:16 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
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To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of ROBERT WYNNE <robert-wynne@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 6:39:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk

https://www.astrobin.com/g0bpv3/C/

This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

--
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Astro-Physics

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Astro-Physics


Re: APCC with SGP Pier Flip Failure #APCC

psparkman@...
 

Thanks Roland!  The safety slew totally makes sense.  The main question is how does APCC report the completion of the slew.  If you look in the SGP log file it shows that the mount reports that it is done slewing.

[09/21/21 00:05:01.826][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Scope reports it is done with synchronous slew, verifying...
[09/21/21 00:05:01.858][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope: Slewing has completed

And this occurred only a couple of seconds after the command to flip.  So it seems as if the mount is saying that it is done slewing during the safety slew pause?

I have the link to the mount log and SGP log in the post.


[09/21/21 00:04:55.489][DEBUG][Pier Flip Thread][SQ;MF;] Meridian Flip: Sending Telescope command to execute meridian flip
[09/21/21 00:04:55.496][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] ASCOM Telescope: Pier side is West
[09/21/21 00:04:55.496][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] ASCOM Telescope: attempting pier flip using slew
[09/21/21 00:04:55.514][INFO][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope: Using "OFFSET" sync option, updating slew cooridnates with offsets:
[09/21/21 00:04:55.514][INFO][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] RA:  23.2613312948277 hours
[09/21/21 00:04:55.514][INFO][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] DEC: 59.9993678200984 degrees
[09/21/21 00:04:55.514][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope: Slewing to J2000 RA: 23.2613312948277 (23h15m40.79s) Dec: 59.9993678200984 (59°59'57.72")
[09/21/21 00:04:55.514][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope: Slew received J2000 coordinates, mount requires JNOW, converting...
[09/21/21 00:04:55.514][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope: Slewing to JNOW RA: 23.2775368403792 Dec: 60.1180862412902
[09/21/21 00:04:59.429][DEBUG][Main Thread][SQ;MF;] PopulateDataModel:  Transferring view to the data model...
[09/21/21 00:04:59.432][DEBUG][MF Update Thread][SQ;MF;] Performing serialize...
[09/21/21 00:05:01.826][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Scope reports it is done with synchronous slew, verifying...
[09/21/21 00:05:01.858][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope: Slewing has completed
[09/21/21 00:05:01.858][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope: Settling for 1 seconds
[09/21/21 00:05:02.859][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope: Settling has completed
[09/21/21 00:05:03.361][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] ASCOM Telescope: Failed to flip because starting pier side and ending pier side are the same!
[09/21/21 00:05:03.462][DEBUG][Telescope Thread][SQ;MF;] Telescope thread is IDLE...
[09/21/21 00:05:03.493][DEBUG][Pier Flip Thread][SQ;MF;] Meridian Flip: Telescope command to meridian flip has completed
[09/21/21 00:05:03.496][DEBUG][Pier Flip Thread][SQ;MF;] Meridian Flip: Telescope failed to perform meridian flip
 


Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Roland Christen
 

Some nebulae are probably made from Velveeta cheese. Our George has named his observatory Velveeta Valley observatory since it's right in the middle of Northern Illinois cow country, complete with the smells.
http://www.cleardarksky.com/c/VVOILkey.html?1

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:16 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 6:39:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk

https://www.astrobin.com/g0bpv3/C/

This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APCC with SGP Pier Flip Failure #APCC

Roland Christen
 

Yes, the safety slew is accomplished in 2 steps. I will run this past our software engineer and see if there is a way to get around the momentary delay.

Roland Christen
Astro-Physics Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: psparkman via groups.io <psparkman@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:20 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] APCC with SGP Pier Flip Failure #APCC

Greetings.  I posted this on SGP forum as I think the issue is mostly on their end, but thought that I would also post it here for help.

Generally pier flips have been working with SGP 4.0.0.680 and APCC on my AP1100, however last night it failed an unattended pier flip and aborted my sequence for the night. So I lost about 5 hours of imaging.
It has been working, but I was always worried that I might run into the same issue as I have when I do a delayed counter weight up pier flip. When using APCC and using the delayed counter weight up functionality, everything works fine with SGP until the actual flip is commanded. When my AP1100 mount slews from a counter weight up position it performs a “Safety Slew”. First the mount only moves in RA to get to a counter weight up position as this prevents the dec from rotating the scope into pier. The mount pauses for a couple of seconds after the RA has moved to counter weight level before it starts the move the requested RA/DEC or pier flip.
This is when I think the problem occurs. SGP thinks that the mount has already completed the slew and gives the error that the scope is still on the West side of the pier due to this delay. I currently have the pier flip delay set to 1 min past the meridian to prevent the scope from oscillating back and forth during the plate solve after the pier flip, but it looks like this time the safety slew delay caused SGP to abort. It would be really good to get this fixed as then I could use the delayed flip feature of APCC and SGP, but at the very least, this needs to be made reliable with a standard flip.
I have included both log files, and will also post it on AP’s forum. But I don’t want to get caught between two companies blaming each other. SGP and AP are both premier companies in my mind and I just want to get this working.
Link to Logs
Useful Info
OS: Windows 10
Ver: SGP 4.0.0.680 64-bit
APCC Version 1.9.0.7

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Re: #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders #Keypad

Roland Christen
 

The only way Park 1 and Park 4 will be wrong is a wrong latitude entry in the keypad location. Park 3 and Park 2 are not affected by latitude.
If you open another program such as SkyX and connect to the mount via the ASCOM driver, it will update the CP4 location and time entries, so if they are wrong this will also mess up the park positions. All your programs that attach to the mount servo have to have the same time, date, location entries. That includes keypad, ASCOM driver, SkyX or other planetarium programs. All have to have the same settings.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giannaccini <tgiann3@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:57 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] #Keypad Park Positions: AP 1100 GTO with encoders

Hello All,
I have used my AP 1100 GTO for several nights (using just the keypad) and I have noticed that I have never been able to achieve all the Park positions (1-4) simultaneously.
After speaking with George (who was very helpful) I have come to realize that Park 3 is the position which is central to all else. One would think that once Park 3 is re-established that Park 1,2 and 4 would then be attainable. However, I have not found this to be the case. It seems to be hit and miss as to what other Park positions I can achieve. I can generally get 2 of the 4 to work but never all 4.
I spent several sessions with the mount where I thought that because I was unable to achieve all (1-4) Park positions, that I would not be able to find my targets. In the several sessions I have had after speaking with George, it seems as though one only needs polar alignment and Park 3; several stars can be found and synched afterwards with a reticle in the main OTA. DSOs seem easy to find thereafter. 

I don't want to over-analyze the setup process, but am I missing something about the mount not being able to reach the other Park positions (not even relatively close)?
 
Thank you in advance,
 
Tom
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Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Bill Long
 

I get what you mean, but its still pretty good. 🙂 

Some of the images I look at in my submission queue on Astrobin are wickedly over-processed and start to look more like colored Velvetta cheese than nebula. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Not if you're pixel peeping  ;^)'

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette

Good looking image to me as well!


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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
Looks Great to me!

JimP

From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of ROBERT WYNNE <robert-wynne@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 6:39:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] IC1396 Garnet Star Nebula in Hubble Palette
 
This revision reveals many more stars in the void. -Best, Robert
On 09/21/2021 3:26 PM Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


Also known as the Elephant Trunk

https://www.astrobin.com/g0bpv3/C/

This is the last object that I will be imaging with the 10" F6.3 Astrograph. Although the detail came out quite well, the stars were messed up by Topaz de-noise program. I may re-process this object at some point because the stars really were perfect in the original frames, but the lack of 20 to 40 hours of OIII and SII made it necessary to de-noise them.

My next scope will be a 70 lb 12" Astrograph system which will go on the Mach2 for more torture. I'm confident that the mount will handle it just fine.

Rolando

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