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Re: [ap-ug] Jupiter 9/11 with AP 10" F/14.6 Mak

thefamily90 Phillips
 

I imaged through a diagonal. 

JimP


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Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Jupiter 9/11 with AP 10" F/14.6 Mak
 
Forgot to ask. Is the GRS shown in reverse? -Best, Robert
On 09/12/2021 4:54 PM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:


Not a great image but at least I was out there battling the humidity and mosquitoes, LOL!


JimP



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Newbie question about APPM pointing model location

Shailesh Trivedi
 

How can I save and later load a pointing model ? I have APCCPro.

Shailesh


Re: Park Position based interlock for small roll off observatory

John Robbins
 

I have a SkyRoof controller and gear driven gate opener to move my roof, and with a reflective sensor, there are provisions to keep the mount from moving until the roof is fully opened. However this is in conjunction with using Sequence Generator Pro to initiate the open command. 
I thought I was safe until recently, when I used the AP mount hand control to move the mount, and found the mount will move with the roof closed, so I basically have the same problem as you. I've looked through the settings in APCC and the V2 driver, but haven't found anything that might help.
Hopefully one of the guys here will have some ideas to fix this problem.
By the way, I'm here in San Diego as well.
John  

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 11:32 AM psparkman via groups.io <psparkman=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I have an AP1100 running APCC Pro with a C14 mounted.  I live in suburban San Diego and have been using it on my back patio with a Telegizmo's cover.  I want to make the absolutely smallest rolloff box enclosure that I can do.  We have a small yard, and in order to keep the wife acceptance factor high enough, it needs to be as small and especially low as I can get away with.  I never do visual, and the weather and wind here are very mild, so I am thinking of building a small box that rolls off to one side on rails and making the pier as low as I can.  This will make it easy to get to everything on the mount and scope.  

To keep it as low as possible, I want to design it around the Park 5 position.  Of course that creates the problem that I need to solve.  I can put an optical interlock on the roll off enclosure to prevent it moving if the scope is not in Park 5 to prevent scope decapitation.  But I am looking for a good solution to prevent the mount from unparking and slewing out of Park 5 if the enclosure is closed.  It would be easy to do an interlock relay that would turn power off to the mount if the enclosure is over the scope, but that seems somewhat brute force and it would make automation a bit more challenging from a sequencing perspective.  Is there a more elegant solution using the APCC software solution that would prevent any movement of the mount if the enclosure is over the scope?

I know that most of you would say just make the box large enough to always clear to be safe.  But that is not an option as it would be too tall and fail the WAF test.  So I want to find the most robust solution possible to ensure that everything is protected.


Re: Jupiter 9/11 with AP 10" F/14.6 Mak

thefamily90 Phillips
 

Lol! Tony, unfortunately, I know just what you mean!!

JimP 


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Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 8:02:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Jupiter 9/11 with AP 10" F/14.6 Mak
 
Great job Jim. I was out last night and the skies were terrible. Speaking of mosquitoes, they almost carried away my equipment :)

tony

On 9/12/2021 7:54 PM, thefamily90 Phillips wrote:

Not a great image but at least I was out there battling the humidity and mosquitoes, LOL!

 

JimP

 

 

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Re: [ap-ug] Jupiter 9/11 with AP 10" F/14.6 Mak

thefamily90 Phillips
 


From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 7:54:21 PM
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Subject: [ap-ug] Jupiter 9/11 with AP 10" F/14.6 Mak
 

Not a great image but at least I was out there battling the humidity and mosquitoes, LOL!

 

JimP

 

 

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Re: Jupiter 9/11 with AP 10" F/14.6 Mak

Harley Davidson
 

Great job Jim. I was out last night and the skies were terrible. Speaking of mosquitoes, they almost carried away my equipment :)

tony

On 9/12/2021 7:54 PM, thefamily90 Phillips wrote:

Not a great image but at least I was out there battling the humidity and mosquitoes, LOL!

 

JimP

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Jupiter 9/11 with AP 10" F/14.6 Mak

thefamily90 Phillips
 

Not a great image but at least I was out there battling the humidity and mosquitoes, LOL!

 

JimP

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Mach 1 Motor Stall

John A. Sillasen
 

Definitely more than a day award,  I should think.  My wife and I have Time Shares at the Waikoloa Beach Resort.  While she enjoys the beach, I went for the Mountain.  Started helping out in 2000 - my first trip. Became a formal volunteer in 2001 and Volunteer of the Year in 2014.

The MKVIS has basically been closed since the TMT protests and now with Covid. They began opening during the day - especially to keep track of hikers. Don't want to lose anyone on the mountain.  Was there once when a dirt rider had to be air lift out. Wasn't a quick trip either. 

I don't foresee them opening for star gazing programs any time soon. The Summit Tours I loved doing I'm afraid are just a thing of the past. All that's left are the private tour companies doing their watch sunset thing then go setup a smaller scope somewhere for an hour or so.

Guess I was truly there during its heyday.  Glad I had the experience but so wish more could do so today and going forward. 

My wife just came back from the Big Island.  Me? Other than visiting friends like Cliff, Chris,  Andrew, and so many others in WHAC (member since 2003), its just not quite the same.



John A. Sillasen



Re: Guiding a Mach 2 in PHD2 ( and NINA)

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

With the exception of plate solving (well, mostly) and focus, you can do almost anything else inside in daylight with the real mount hooked up to experiment.  There’s a simulated camera which will download sky survey images for your coordinates, so even plate solving sort of works (though I had trouble using it with APPM for reasons unclear, whereas real images worked fine).

 

I found this particular useful for testing meridian flips, since you can just do them over and over to check.

 

I get the worry about the nightly version.  I’ve been pleasantly surprised how stable it is, but of course the first time out with it, it may fail you.  Doubtful, but always possible.  Each has to decide.

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrea Lucchetti via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 4:40 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Guiding a Mach 2 in PHD2 ( and NINA)

 

Linwood, thank you.
I agree on skyx vs NINA. I run for years a PME with skyx and CCDAP so my first instinct has been to just continue.
I was studying NINA in the background, yesterday I had to step to it to save the day. It worked (almost) at the first run.
Now I have a nomad set up that can use on average every two months, so I am worried about beta or similar (nightly?).

if I got it, with the advanced scheduler I could also do things such as "Focus now" and "plate solve and sync".
I am finding these are very helpful in the field if something doesn't work as expected.
Andrea 


Re: Guiding a Mach 2 in PHD2 ( and NINA)

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Linwood, thank you.
I agree on skyx vs NINA. I run for years a PME with skyx and CCDAP so my first instinct has been to just continue.
I was studying NINA in the background, yesterday I had to step to it to save the day. It worked (almost) at the first run.
Now I have a nomad set up that can use on average every two months, so I am worried about beta or similar (nightly?).

if I got it, with the advanced scheduler I could also do things such as "Focus now" and "plate solve and sync".
I am finding these are very helpful in the field if something doesn't work as expected.
Andrea 


Re: Smart Meridian Flip with NINA #APCC

Joseph Beyer
 

Meridian flip was scheduled at 10:44

On Sep 12, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Joseph Beyer via groups.io <jcbeyer2001@...> wrote:


Re: Smart Meridian Flip with NINA #APCC

Joseph Beyer
 


Re: APCC model files: which files to ask for help

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Hi Ray,
Please try this link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rpf86i55bezwznw/ApccZip-andrea_lucchetti-2021-09-12-182543.zip?dl=0

I am not saying APPC and skyx are not compatible, only that I had troubles.
Now that I am back to a nomad set up that I use every two months , everything is much more difficult to debug..

I know I had an issue last year with skyx buttons messing up things ( the slew commands lasted for ever) but adapted to this avoiding the move commands in skyx and learning to use the move commands in APPM. that behavior was described in this forum and acknowledge one year ago but I don't remember if the problem was in Skyx or APPC.
I've just followed the advice and learned a new behavior , use the buttons in APPC 

What I have seen last night is more impacting because prevent me to work.
I did a mess last night, but When I switched to NINA and excluded skyx everything worked again.

If you want to have a look these are the stars in a 30seconds frame:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cco7olez98woq9o/stella_Preview01.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9uexo21vdisnenf/stella_Preview011.jpg?dl=0

I don't remember if this was just after connection to skyx or after a closed loop slew


For APPC, I can only say that worked nicely at the first attempt, plate solves went fine except for a cloud.
Thank you again,
Andrea


Re: Guiding a Mach 2 in PHD2 ( and NINA)

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Andrea Lucchetti wrote:

 

  • Yesterday I was in hurry and very lucky to understand the basics for saving the night, the calibration happened almost by chance as I couldn't find a calibrate button :-)
    will try the assistant.
    I was lucky with some setting, flip worked nicely and I used the same setting you have for "reverse DEC after meridian".
    If I got it, I can run the calibration before the sequence in PHD and NINA will recognize it and use it, or clear calibration before the sequence and NINA will take care of this in the sequence but at the target DEC.

    I would be grateful if you can point me to the advanced sequencer that I couldn't find.

    The direct guide setting I am referring to is in NINA Options- equipment- guider setting section. I think it is related with dithering only but I don't understand it.

 

So first: NINA has three versions, released, beta and preview/nightly.  The advanced sequencer is only in the nightly.  It’s under rapid development, a new version every few days, and occasionally has some issues, but I and many other find it stable enough to use. Each need to decide on their own tolerance for stability.  But all the new fancy stuff is there.  It can also convert basic sequences to advanced.

 

The advanced sequencer is a drag-and-drop “programmer” for your sequence, whereas the basic sequencer in the beta and released is more of a declarative one – you tell it what to do, and it figures out when.  For example you can tell it to auto focus after meridian flip and it will, but in the advanced sequencer you can also just stick in a step that says “auto focus now” (you can still AF after flip as well, or AF after HFR change, or AF after filter change, etc.).   But it brings in concepts like “loop until nautical dawn” or “wait until target altitude above X”.

 

I’m guessing the direct guide you are seeing is only in an older version.  Or you are connecting to the Direct Guider “equipment” which is a way you can dither on a mount without actually having a guider, it just periodically moves the mount.   I don’t have an old version handy to see what it shows.

 

Calibration only needs to occur if something changes in the imaging train to affect image scale or rotation, or maybe in a gross sense polar alignment though small difference there should not matter.  If you have a semi-permanent setup, where everything stays the same, you can set PHD2 to restore the prior calibration each time it starts.  If not set, or if you change other things (rotation being my main issue) you need to recalibrate.  You can do that with just s shift click on the green guide button.  Or it happens automagically if you didn’t restore as soon as you start guiding.

 

I used TSX with my MyT.  I am VERY glad to let it go now that APCC 1.9 supports NINA.  TSX has some incredible features, but it also has some ancient software paradigms that to me make it flakey, and weighed down with a lot of baggage.  It’s just not needed with APCC IMO, now that NINA can control the camera.

 

Oh… The new sequencer also supports plugins which include a Three Point Polar alignment that is very fast, and very accurate (especially since Ray fixed MoveAxis, thanks!), much easier than Sharpcap or Pempro.   So one less need to step outside for another tool.   There’s also some APCC specific stuff, notably supporting counterweight up flips, but I have not used it – I find flipping at transit is simple and safe and just plain works.

 

Linwood

 


Re: APCC model files: which files to ask for help

Ray Gralak
 

Andrea,

The logs did not make it. You'll need to create a public download link to the zip file via Dropbox, Google Drive, One Drive, etc.

And APCC is compatible with SkyX. Lots of people use APCC with SkyX. If you are using APPM with SkyX for plate solving make sure to follow all of the steps in the help file in APPM's plate-solving section.

-Ray

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrea Lucchetti
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 9:45 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC model files: which files to ask for help

Hi Ray, thank you
I am attaching the zip but I see a number of files.
I see it is a big file, please let me know how to send it if attachment doesn't work.

Yesterday I had a " panic moment" and started doing many things.
I couldn't use Skyx and I had to find an alternative for the night.
I run the model initially just to do some trial and not loose the night
It was one of the thing that worked last night , so I am happy.
in this case It would be helpful just to have an helping hand to interpret the model results.
I run the model after the Skyx x issue and just before starting with NINA.
There are no tpoint models in skyx.
Unfortunately I got used to skyx and its Camera add on, so I was really lost at the beginning of the night.

I think the answer to my others post could be in the logs for the night but I think it would be difficult to decode
what I did in the first two panic hours:-)
In any case , Thank you very much in advance
Andrea


Re: Guiding a Mach 2 in PHD2 ( and NINA)

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Thanks Linwood,
very helpful.

Yesterday I was in hurry and very lucky to understand the basics for saving the night, the calibration happened almost by chance as I couldn't find a calibrate button :-)
will try the assistant.
I was lucky with some setting, flip worked nicely and I used the same setting you have for "reverse DEC after meridian".
If I got it, I can run the calibration before the sequence in PHD and NINA will recognize it and use it, or clear calibration before the sequence and NINA will take care of this in the sequence but at the target DEC.

I would be grateful if you can point me to the advanced sequencer that I couldn't find.

The direct guide setting I am referring to is in NINA Options- equipment- guider setting section. I think it is related with dithering only but I don't understand it.

Thank you
Andrea


Re: tracking with APCC 1.9 doesn't work with skyx

Andrea Lucchetti
 

hi Ray,
I sent you the logs in the other thread.
The tracking issue started before the modeling.
I don't use skyx as planetarium only, but I use skyx camera add on for about everything:

-I connect CCDAP and focus max to camera add on (CCD is controlled from skyx)
-I use skyx solver, which by the way seems to work well when used by APPM.

yesterday I later thought that I could avoid completely skyx with NINA:
-NINA interface with the camera directly
-NINA has its focusing routine
and it worked immediately (just need to tune PHD guiding I think)

Thank you
Andrea


Re: APCC model files: which files to ask for help

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Hi Ray, thank you
I am attaching the zip but I see a number of files.
I see it is a big file, please let me know how to send it if attachment doesn't work.

Yesterday I had  a " panic moment" and started doing many things.
I couldn't use Skyx and I had to find an alternative for the night.
I run the model initially just to do some trial and not loose  the night
It was one of the thing that worked last night , so I am happy.
in this case It would be helpful just to have an helping hand to interpret the model results.
I run the model after the Skyx x issue and just before starting with NINA.
There are no tpoint models in skyx.
Unfortunately I got used to skyx and its Camera add on, so I was really lost at the beginning of the night.

I think the answer to my others post could be in the logs for the night but I think it would be difficult to decode what I did in the first two panic hours:-)
In any case , Thank you very much in advance
Andrea


Re: The perfect telescope mount

jimwc@...
 

brings to mind a old saying " a picture is worth a thousand words"
Jim


Re: Park Position based interlock for small roll off observatory

Jerome A Yesavage
 

Hi,

I also have been using ACP with a PierTech ROR but Bob cautioned me at the start to always have the scope below the level of the roof to prevent any disasters (what could go wrong?).  This is fail safe BUT limits my horizon to a minimum of 40 DEG.  To get lower targets I have moved the pier up BUT I disengaged the roof on ACP and do all this by checklist manually. Just cannot trust electronics/software etc etc... I watch it open and close by camera... AND make sure the mount is powered off when the roof is closed.... a lot of stuff to watch... but even with ACP as you say you have a lot of manual operations.... as a pilot in a previous life I am used to checklists but I know pilots and others skip items... so you gotta be careful.

I live in California and it never rains in the summer... but winter is coming and I may lower the pier and start reusing the roof cloud sensor etc just in case of a crazy weather event.  In this case the mount will be in a fail safe position under the roof line.

Nothing is simple....

JY

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