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Re: Mach2 thru-mount USB when using USB 3.0 ? (and an M51)

Bill Long
 

I use Amazon cables all the time and have for years with no issues at all. I don't use the Amazon Basic branded ones. When I went to set up my Mach 2 I realized I did not have an A to A USB3 cable as well, so I picked up the 6-foot UGREEN cable from Amazon. Works great.

As for mounting things on tripods, I usually use trusty outdoor rated Velcro. It can be a pain to get back off if you want to remove it, so be careful about that, but it holds nicely. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffc <jeffcrilly@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 6:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 thru-mount USB when using USB 3.0 ? (and an M51)
 
Just to get some closure on this.... I've pretty much resolved my QHY268M -> Mach2 data issue with a new (shorter) cable.

Last night I secured a 3 foot USB-3-rated Male-A to Male-A cable from Amazon.   The brand was U-Green.   
(I know you all said to be careful on the amazon cables, but for a few bucks and free shipping I thought it wouldn't be too much of a gamble.)

I plugged this into the Mach2 pass-thru and to the computer (which is now sitting under the mount, and that's ok).

The camera side cable is the shortest USB-3 cable with Male-B connector I could find around the house..   (Its like maybe 1.5 meters.. I think the "factory supplied" QHY cable is 2 meters.   I'm actually looking for a shorter cable for the camera side as this one needs to get wrapped up a bunch.)

This setup seemed to work fine last night!  No dropped connections to the camera, no messed up frames, etc.  
So I suspect the issue is the 6 foot "USB 3 rated" cable I was using.   (Nonetheless, I do have a pegasus v2 on-the-way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

;^)  Longshot followup question:   Now that the computer is "on the floor" under the Mach2 Eagle... Does anyone have experience with a super clean solution for mounting a Mac Mini (2012) on the side of the Eagle pier?   
I'm thinking of getting a wall mount for the Mac Mini, and then use some sort of adapter (possibly plastic or delrin) to go between the Mac Mini wall mount and the pier, using one (or two) of the many holes on the Eagle pier.
A better solution would entail a custom "mounting" using the AP Tray brackets... This setup is to be used "portable" , so setup / teardown needs to be easy.

-jeff


On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 4:07 AM Jeffc via groups.io <jeffcrilly=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thx everyone for the suggestions.   I've ordered a handful of super short USB-3 Male A -> Male A cables for testing.
I do feel the mount -> computer cable is a bit long.   It might be 10 feet (which is the shortest I had on hand).
(Fwiw, i'm also using USB for the Computer -> CP5 connection... on a separate port on the computer.)

I've resisted the Pegasus powerbox, but it might be time to upgrade the Dew Buster anyhow... sure would be convenient to have remote control for the dew heater.
Right now, I feel like the UltimatePB v2 is overkill, but it seems the Advance does not have a "managed" USB hub.  Plus, i could use the power (current) monitoring on a per port basis, especially when there are dew heaters involved.
The Eagle seems super clean, and flexible, but I'm just not ready to spend the $$ there.

If anyone knows of a good-bang-for-the-buck USB powered hub for the Computer -> Mount path let me know.  (Preferably fetchable from amazon.)   

E.g.  Dominique - what is the "HUB USB3" box in your schematic?   Is that basically the Active 16 meter cable?

-jeff

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 8:06 AM Dominique <d.h.durand@...> wrote:
Hi Jeffc,
I have a complex installation (see the diagram in PJ) and I have no problem with my QHY294C and QHY294M-Pro, even for the 47M mode flats of the QHY294M-pro. It is useful to put a Hub-USB3 powered at the output of the Mach2 before an active extension cable. I only have a bit rate problem with a QHY5III224c because with the Altair GPCAM3 224C at 154fps no problem either.
I think that the duration of the exposures should be limited to 180s with this type of camera and in particular without Ha filter.
Dominique


Re: Mach2 thru-mount USB when using USB 3.0 ? (and an M51)

Jeffc
 

Just to get some closure on this.... I've pretty much resolved my QHY268M -> Mach2 data issue with a new (shorter) cable.

Last night I secured a 3 foot USB-3-rated Male-A to Male-A cable from Amazon.   The brand was U-Green.   
(I know you all said to be careful on the amazon cables, but for a few bucks and free shipping I thought it wouldn't be too much of a gamble.)

I plugged this into the Mach2 pass-thru and to the computer (which is now sitting under the mount, and that's ok).

The camera side cable is the shortest USB-3 cable with Male-B connector I could find around the house..   (Its like maybe 1.5 meters.. I think the "factory supplied" QHY cable is 2 meters.   I'm actually looking for a shorter cable for the camera side as this one needs to get wrapped up a bunch.)

This setup seemed to work fine last night!  No dropped connections to the camera, no messed up frames, etc.  
So I suspect the issue is the 6 foot "USB 3 rated" cable I was using.   (Nonetheless, I do have a pegasus v2 on-the-way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

;^)  Longshot followup question:   Now that the computer is "on the floor" under the Mach2 Eagle... Does anyone have experience with a super clean solution for mounting a Mac Mini (2012) on the side of the Eagle pier?   
I'm thinking of getting a wall mount for the Mac Mini, and then use some sort of adapter (possibly plastic or delrin) to go between the Mac Mini wall mount and the pier, using one (or two) of the many holes on the Eagle pier.
A better solution would entail a custom "mounting" using the AP Tray brackets... This setup is to be used "portable" , so setup / teardown needs to be easy.

-jeff


On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 4:07 AM Jeffc via groups.io <jeffcrilly=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thx everyone for the suggestions.   I've ordered a handful of super short USB-3 Male A -> Male A cables for testing.
I do feel the mount -> computer cable is a bit long.   It might be 10 feet (which is the shortest I had on hand).
(Fwiw, i'm also using USB for the Computer -> CP5 connection... on a separate port on the computer.)

I've resisted the Pegasus powerbox, but it might be time to upgrade the Dew Buster anyhow... sure would be convenient to have remote control for the dew heater.
Right now, I feel like the UltimatePB v2 is overkill, but it seems the Advance does not have a "managed" USB hub.  Plus, i could use the power (current) monitoring on a per port basis, especially when there are dew heaters involved.
The Eagle seems super clean, and flexible, but I'm just not ready to spend the $$ there.

If anyone knows of a good-bang-for-the-buck USB powered hub for the Computer -> Mount path let me know.  (Preferably fetchable from amazon.)   

E.g.  Dominique - what is the "HUB USB3" box in your schematic?   Is that basically the Active 16 meter cable?

-jeff

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 8:06 AM Dominique <d.h.durand@...> wrote:
Hi Jeffc,
I have a complex installation (see the diagram in PJ) and I have no problem with my QHY294C and QHY294M-Pro, even for the 47M mode flats of the QHY294M-pro. It is useful to put a Hub-USB3 powered at the output of the Mach2 before an active extension cable. I only have a bit rate problem with a QHY5III224c because with the Altair GPCAM3 224C at 154fps no problem either.
I think that the duration of the exposures should be limited to 180s with this type of camera and in particular without Ha filter.
Dominique


Re: Login problems for Astro-physics.info

Bill Long
 

The password it is looking for is not the same as your login for the site. The documentation that came with the mount will tell you what the correct username and password are for the firmware package. 

Its the same for everyone, in case that helps a little. If not, contact AP.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of michael mccann via groups.io <mmccawsprojects@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 6:40 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] Login problems for Astro-physics.info
 
Odd 
I can login to Astro-physics.com and see my purchases but I can’t login to Astro-physics.info to get firmware update.  I just changed the password at Astro-physics.com. Never logged into .Info before.

any thoughts ( other than wait till call support tomorrow)?

cheers


Login problems for Astro-physics.info

michael mccann
 

Odd 
I can login to Astro-physics.com and see my purchases but I can’t login to Astro-physics.info to get firmware update.  I just changed the password at Astro-physics.com. Never logged into .Info before.

any thoughts ( other than wait till call support tomorrow)?

cheers


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

michael mccann
 

Thanks
will note for future.

Cheers


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

Karen Christen
 

Hello Michael,

 

While we don’t encourage want or for sale notices, folks do post them now and again – like you just did.  😉

Karen

AP

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of michael mccann via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:33 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

 

Thanks

I'll download that pdf right away.  

One other question are we allow to post want or for sale notices in group. i'm looking for an ATS portable 10" tripod/pier.

Cheers


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

michael mccann
 

Thanks

I'll download that pdf right away.  

One other question are we allow to post want or for sale notices in group. i'm looking for an ATS portable 10" tripod/pier.

Cheers


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

Dale Ghent
 

If I understand your problem statement, you GoTo a database object but you're unable to manually slew the telescope using the NESW buttons afterwards?

I don't know what your focal length is, but button 6 controls the button slew rate ("B: <value>" on the keypad display) and it could be set to 0.25x, which can be slow enough on wide focal lengths to give the impression that nothing is moving when you press the button - it is moving, but it's hard to perceive. If this sounds like your case, the mash the 6 button to cycle through the button slew speeds and try a faster rate.

This is covered on page 37 of the keypad manual.
https://www.astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/keypad/keypad-manual.pdf

On Apr 13, 2021, at 12:00, mmccawsprojects via groups.io <mmccawsprojects@...> wrote:

Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine. I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process. For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC. So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

George
 

Mike,

 

Your button move speeds are probably set too slow to see.   Change them to 600x for easy test.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-222-6538 (direct line)

Phone:  815-282-1513 (office)

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of mmccawsprojects via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:01 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

 

Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine.  I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process.  For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC.  So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


Re: Custom pier adapter for AP 900

David Fischer
 

Here is how I made my AP900 pier adapter.  I got hole positions from a copy of the pier adapter that was on an ATS pier.  Beware that the East and West "A" holes ("B" holes on your diagram) are not diametrically opposed.  They are offset from center-line but still on the 3.615 inch circle.  Have a good look at where the East and West slits lie as seen from the bottom of the mount.

This photograph is not my adapter but is the top plate from the ATS pier that I measured hole locations from.

-- David F.



On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 8:12 AM Aleksandar Topalov <kenza.topalov@...> wrote:
Hi!

I am making a custom pier adapter for my AP 900 mount. Can anyone tell me what is the distance from the center (D) to the four threaded holes where the knobs fit (B). Center to center distance.

Aleksandar

 


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

 

Howdy,


Once you do a GoTo, the mount will be in tracking mode. 


You can stop it from tracking by setting the track rate to STOP in the main menu. In version 4.19.3, the most current version, the 8 button controls the tracking rate. You can choose from Sidereal, Solar, Lunar, and STOP. Since your keypad is purchased used, you might want to access the manual. You can find the documentation on our website, here https://astro-physics.info/index.htm?tech_support/tech_support. We have up to date manuals for all current products there.


Is this what you were looking for? 

Liam Plybon

AP


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of mmccawsprojects via groups.io <mmccawsprojects@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:00:57 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] new user's Keypad ? #Keypad
 
Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine.  I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process.  For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC.  So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

michael mccann
 

Keypad S/N is 4305GTO

is there a special battery installed in this? or is it a standard 9V

On April 13, 2021 at 9:01 AM, "mmccawsprojects via groups.io" <mmccawsprojects@...> wrote:

Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine.  I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process.  For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC.  So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

michael mccann
 

Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine.  I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process.  For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC.  So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


Custom pier adapter for AP 900

Aleksandar Topalov
 

Hi!

I am making a custom pier adapter for my AP 900 mount. Can anyone tell me what is the distance from the center (D) to the four threaded holes where the knobs fit (B). Center to center distance.

Aleksandar

 


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

Worsel
 

In this thread https://ap-gto.groups.io/g/main/topic/81406546#77145

Ray mentions that Dec-arc modeling is done, but other enhancements, including ASTAP as an integral plate solver to APPM, rather than an add-on via SGP, are in the works but release date is still fluid.  The above thread is only a month old.

Bryan


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

Dale Ghent
 

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I've always had the camera add-on for TSX, so when I started using Image Link for the first time for APPM, I wasn't sure if it was something that was a part of the base app or the add-on. I just was happy it worked.

I've never used PinPoint as a solver. As a NINA user and in light of ASTAP et al being supported, would supporting PinPoint be desirable at all? I haven't looked into what an integration would look like on the technical side; if it's just a TCP network API or something else.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 17:17, W Hilmo <y.groups@...> wrote:

" and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that."

You do not need the camera add-on to use TSX as the plate solver in APPM. I have MaxIm, TSX, (full) PinPoint, SGP, NINA, PlateSolve2 and ASTAP and have used them all in various combinations. If I remember right, the capture software and solving software seems to be pretty decoupled from each other in APPM. If you supported capture software, you can independently pick supported plate solve software. For what it's worth, I have found TSX to have a really fast and robust plate solve routine. It seems to do better than the others with difficult to solve fields (either in a star-poor area, or because of passing thin clouds).

Since I've switched to NINA for my image capture, I've used MaxIm as my capture software for APPM. I am looking forward to having both ASCOM camera support and ASTAP support in APPM. If you have a camera with ASCOM drivers (I do), that's going to be a nice configuration that can run independent of your normal capture software.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 11:27 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


No, there's no PinPoint support in NINA at the moment. I might get the eval copy of PinPoint and put in support for it at some point, but my time is so limited now that such a project would need to get in line with all the other things on the to-do list for me.

As for APCC being able to use ASTAP, I can't comment on when that will be available. Only Ray, Karen, or Marj would have any authority on release date or other such expectations.

As for your workflow, all you'll need is APCC Pro+APPM, your camera's ASCOM driver, and a plate solver that's supported directly by APPM, such as PinPoint or TSX (and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that. All I know is that it works for me(tm) and I do have the camera add-on)

One APCC supports ASTAP, you can have it use the same installation of ASTAP that NINA uses.

As for polar alignment, the RAPAS is a fine tool for that, however if you have a lot of cables going through the mount, you might run into complications with those cables interfering with the view of the RAPAS. This is my case with my Mach1, so I use SharpCap Pro's PA tool and my guide camera or main camera to do polar alignment.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:28, ap@... <ap@...> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I plan to sell my Paramount when the AP 1100 comes in so TSX will go with it.

Pinpoint is not usable with NINA, right? So I should plan on getting Pinpoint for APPM and keep ASTAP for NINA?

Or do you think there may be different answer by June?

Just trying to get installed and familiar with as much stuff as I can ahead of time.

Is Pinpoint the only non-AP software I'll need to make the AP1100 work? Assuming the polar scope is adequate in itself.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 8:37 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


Yes, there is currently no direct cooperation between NINA and APPM at this moment, but that can come in the future and I've worked with Ray to get a proof of concept of APPM->NINA working.

One APPM can utilize ASTAP directly as a solver instead of through a surrogate app, things will be much more straight-forward and lightweight. Currently, I do my APPM run during twilight with it utilizing the camera ASCOM driver (QHY in my case) and TSX as the plate solving provider. Once that's done, I shut all that down and then run my standard NINA stack for imaging through the night. While TSX is fine and functionally does the job of solving what APPM throws at it, it's still a bit slow and the ability to use ASTAP would let me uninstall the TSX monster from my imaging mini PC.


On Apr 11, 2021, at 22:04, ap@... wrote:

My hope was to use NINA as a sequencer. Which I doubt is callable for plate solving from APPM.

I hear that ASTAP will be supported, but is not now. I hope to get mine in June, am I going to need Pinpoint, or show ASTAP work by then (I won’t be offended by the standard answer of most software which is “no promises of future dates” but if one has been announced… ).

While I have TSX now I do not plan to use it with the AP1100.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffc via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:55 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?

I use SGP and ASTAP. A 90 point model takes about a half hour

I didn’t think astap was supported in the AP software; or is this coming ASTAP -> SGP -> AP?
I have also been thinking about using SGP and ASTAP.
Fwiw: I have been assuming APPM (?) uses SGP to capture and plate solve, and SGP in turn uses ASTAP to do the plate solve.
... but I'm far from knowledgeable on this, tho I would like to confirm this works or not without burning too many cycles ... But I'll probably just try it sometime soon.

Also fwiw I'm still on the SGP learning curve, along with a new camera. Was using maxim-dl, but I don't have full pinpoint. (And I've been avoiding TSX from a bad experience with it in the past, which is likely resolved.) I am almost 100% open at this point for image acquisition apps as long as they don't break the bank or my brain. e.g. Voyager has been noted in other forums, however it seems to me SGP is more intuitive, and maybe is more supported... and afaik APPM does not work with Voyager.

Point is: there seems to be many variations/options for software these days, which might have varying performance and capability levels. It would be good to know what works well (at this point in time).
I also am realizing "what works well" may depend on the imaging hardware one is using - whether ascom-only or natively supported.
E.g. I'm currently moving to an Ascom-only camera (at least I believe there isn't native QHY driver integration with with Maxim or SGP).
The upside is the new camera seems to have blazing download speed compared to the ST-8300M I was previously using.

thx .. this is a timely thread for me, btw.

-jeff





















Re: APPM model how many points portable?

W Hilmo
 

" and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that."

You do not need the camera add-on to use TSX as the plate solver in APPM. I have MaxIm, TSX, (full) PinPoint, SGP, NINA, PlateSolve2 and ASTAP and have used them all in various combinations. If I remember right, the capture software and solving software seems to be pretty decoupled from each other in APPM. If you supported capture software, you can independently pick supported plate solve software. For what it's worth, I have found TSX to have a really fast and robust plate solve routine. It seems to do better than the others with difficult to solve fields (either in a star-poor area, or because of passing thin clouds).

Since I've switched to NINA for my image capture, I've used MaxIm as my capture software for APPM. I am looking forward to having both ASCOM camera support and ASTAP support in APPM. If you have a camera with ASCOM drivers (I do), that's going to be a nice configuration that can run independent of your normal capture software.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dale Ghent
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 11:27 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


No, there's no PinPoint support in NINA at the moment. I might get the eval copy of PinPoint and put in support for it at some point, but my time is so limited now that such a project would need to get in line with all the other things on the to-do list for me.

As for APCC being able to use ASTAP, I can't comment on when that will be available. Only Ray, Karen, or Marj would have any authority on release date or other such expectations.

As for your workflow, all you'll need is APCC Pro+APPM, your camera's ASCOM driver, and a plate solver that's supported directly by APPM, such as PinPoint or TSX (and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that. All I know is that it works for me(tm) and I do have the camera add-on)

One APCC supports ASTAP, you can have it use the same installation of ASTAP that NINA uses.

As for polar alignment, the RAPAS is a fine tool for that, however if you have a lot of cables going through the mount, you might run into complications with those cables interfering with the view of the RAPAS. This is my case with my Mach1, so I use SharpCap Pro's PA tool and my guide camera or main camera to do polar alignment.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:28, ap@... <ap@...> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I plan to sell my Paramount when the AP 1100 comes in so TSX will go with it.

Pinpoint is not usable with NINA, right? So I should plan on getting Pinpoint for APPM and keep ASTAP for NINA?

Or do you think there may be different answer by June?

Just trying to get installed and familiar with as much stuff as I can ahead of time.

Is Pinpoint the only non-AP software I'll need to make the AP1100 work? Assuming the polar scope is adequate in itself.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Ghent via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 8:37 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


Yes, there is currently no direct cooperation between NINA and APPM at this moment, but that can come in the future and I've worked with Ray to get a proof of concept of APPM->NINA working.

One APPM can utilize ASTAP directly as a solver instead of through a surrogate app, things will be much more straight-forward and lightweight. Currently, I do my APPM run during twilight with it utilizing the camera ASCOM driver (QHY in my case) and TSX as the plate solving provider. Once that's done, I shut all that down and then run my standard NINA stack for imaging through the night. While TSX is fine and functionally does the job of solving what APPM throws at it, it's still a bit slow and the ability to use ASTAP would let me uninstall the TSX monster from my imaging mini PC.


On Apr 11, 2021, at 22:04, ap@... wrote:

My hope was to use NINA as a sequencer. Which I doubt is callable for plate solving from APPM.

I hear that ASTAP will be supported, but is not now. I hope to get mine in June, am I going to need Pinpoint, or show ASTAP work by then (I won’t be offended by the standard answer of most software which is “no promises of future dates” but if one has been announced… ).

While I have TSX now I do not plan to use it with the AP1100.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffc via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:55 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?

I use SGP and ASTAP. A 90 point model takes about a half hour

I didn’t think astap was supported in the AP software; or is this coming ASTAP -> SGP -> AP?
I have also been thinking about using SGP and ASTAP.
Fwiw: I have been assuming APPM (?) uses SGP to capture and plate solve, and SGP in turn uses ASTAP to do the plate solve.
... but I'm far from knowledgeable on this, tho I would like to confirm this works or not without burning too many cycles ... But I'll probably just try it sometime soon.

Also fwiw I'm still on the SGP learning curve, along with a new camera. Was using maxim-dl, but I don't have full pinpoint. (And I've been avoiding TSX from a bad experience with it in the past, which is likely resolved.) I am almost 100% open at this point for image acquisition apps as long as they don't break the bank or my brain. e.g. Voyager has been noted in other forums, however it seems to me SGP is more intuitive, and maybe is more supported... and afaik APPM does not work with Voyager.

Point is: there seems to be many variations/options for software these days, which might have varying performance and capability levels. It would be good to know what works well (at this point in time).
I also am realizing "what works well" may depend on the imaging hardware one is using - whether ascom-only or natively supported.
E.g. I'm currently moving to an Ascom-only camera (at least I believe there isn't native QHY driver integration with with Maxim or SGP).
The upside is the new camera seems to have blazing download speed compared to the ST-8300M I was previously using.

thx .. this is a timely thread for me, btw.

-jeff










Re: APPM model how many points portable?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Thanks for that last.   The hour is not great but good to know about cable.  It was thru-the-mount cabling and AE’s that lured me to the AP1100 instead of Mach 2 (or 10Micron!).

 

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I ran a 93 point run last night and it was 1 hour and 2 minutes with a single bad platesolve using SGP and Platesolve 2.  You will have plenty of room for 4 cable with RAPAS installed.


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

Roger Howard
 

I ran a 93 point run last night and it was 1 hour and 2 minutes with a single bad platesolve using SGP and Platesolve 2.  You will have plenty of room for 4 cable with RAPAS installed.


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Yeah, I have no real need for another plate solver in NINA, ASTAP works great.

So I'll wait to see what developers but expect I might need to get Pinpoint going as well; I've got plenty of disk.

As to cables -- I was told there's LOTS of room even with RAPAS, but I guess the definition of "lots" is subjective. I'm hoping to run 4.

Getting anxious too early, still have a lot of waiting to do...

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No, there's no PinPoint support in NINA at the moment. I might get the eval copy of PinPoint and put in support for it at some point, but my time is so limited now that such a project would need to get in line with all the other things on the to-do list for me.

As for APCC being able to use ASTAP, I can't comment on when that will be available. Only Ray, Karen, or Marj would have any authority on release date or other such expectations.

As for your workflow, all you'll need is APCC Pro+APPM, your camera's ASCOM driver, and a plate solver that's supported directly by APPM, such as PinPoint or TSX (and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that. All I know is that it works for me(tm) and I do have the camera add-on)

One APCC supports ASTAP, you can have it use the same installation of ASTAP that NINA uses.

As for polar alignment, the RAPAS is a fine tool for that, however if you have a lot of cables going through the mount, you might run into complications with those cables interfering with the view of the RAPAS. This is my case with my Mach1, so I use SharpCap Pro's PA tool and my guide camera or main camera to do polar alignment.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:28, ap@... <ap@...> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I plan to sell my Paramount when the AP 1100 comes in so TSX will go with it.

Pinpoint is not usable with NINA, right? So I should plan on getting Pinpoint for APPM and keep ASTAP for NINA?

Or do you think there may be different answer by June?

Just trying to get installed and familiar with as much stuff as I can ahead of time.

Is Pinpoint the only non-AP software I'll need to make the AP1100 work? Assuming the polar scope is adequate in itself.


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Yes, there is currently no direct cooperation between NINA and APPM at this moment, but that can come in the future and I've worked with Ray to get a proof of concept of APPM->NINA working.

One APPM can utilize ASTAP directly as a solver instead of through a surrogate app, things will be much more straight-forward and lightweight. Currently, I do my APPM run during twilight with it utilizing the camera ASCOM driver (QHY in my case) and TSX as the plate solving provider. Once that's done, I shut all that down and then run my standard NINA stack for imaging through the night. While TSX is fine and functionally does the job of solving what APPM throws at it, it's still a bit slow and the ability to use ASTAP would let me uninstall the TSX monster from my imaging mini PC.


On Apr 11, 2021, at 22:04, ap@... wrote:

My hope was to use NINA as a sequencer. Which I doubt is callable for plate solving from APPM.

I hear that ASTAP will be supported, but is not now. I hope to get mine in June, am I going to need Pinpoint, or show ASTAP work by then (I won’t be offended by the standard answer of most software which is “no promises of future dates” but if one has been announced… ).

While I have TSX now I do not plan to use it with the AP1100.


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I use SGP and ASTAP. A 90 point model takes about a half hour

I didn’t think astap was supported in the AP software; or is this coming ASTAP -> SGP -> AP?
I have also been thinking about using SGP and ASTAP.
Fwiw: I have been assuming APPM (?) uses SGP to capture and plate solve, and SGP in turn uses ASTAP to do the plate solve.
... but I'm far from knowledgeable on this, tho I would like to confirm this works or not without burning too many cycles ... But I'll probably just try it sometime soon.

Also fwiw I'm still on the SGP learning curve, along with a new camera. Was using maxim-dl, but I don't have full pinpoint. (And I've been avoiding TSX from a bad experience with it in the past, which is likely resolved.) I am almost 100% open at this point for image acquisition apps as long as they don't break the bank or my brain. e.g. Voyager has been noted in other forums, however it seems to me SGP is more intuitive, and maybe is more supported... and afaik APPM does not work with Voyager.

Point is: there seems to be many variations/options for software these days, which might have varying performance and capability levels. It would be good to know what works well (at this point in time).
I also am realizing "what works well" may depend on the imaging hardware one is using - whether ascom-only or natively supported.
E.g. I'm currently moving to an Ascom-only camera (at least I believe there isn't native QHY driver integration with with Maxim or SGP).
The upside is the new camera seems to have blazing download speed compared to the ST-8300M I was previously using.

thx .. this is a timely thread for me, btw.

-jeff









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