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Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

Dale Ghent
 

If I understand your problem statement, you GoTo a database object but you're unable to manually slew the telescope using the NESW buttons afterwards?

I don't know what your focal length is, but button 6 controls the button slew rate ("B: <value>" on the keypad display) and it could be set to 0.25x, which can be slow enough on wide focal lengths to give the impression that nothing is moving when you press the button - it is moving, but it's hard to perceive. If this sounds like your case, the mash the 6 button to cycle through the button slew speeds and try a faster rate.

This is covered on page 37 of the keypad manual.
https://www.astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/keypad/keypad-manual.pdf

On Apr 13, 2021, at 12:00, mmccawsprojects via groups.io <mmccawsprojects=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine. I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process. For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC. So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

George
 

Mike,

 

Your button move speeds are probably set too slow to see.   Change them to 600x for easy test.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-222-6538 (direct line)

Phone:  815-282-1513 (office)

Email:  george@...

 

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Subject: [ap-gto] new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

 

Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine.  I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process.  For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC.  So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


Re: Custom pier adapter for AP 900

David Fischer
 

Here is how I made my AP900 pier adapter.  I got hole positions from a copy of the pier adapter that was on an ATS pier.  Beware that the East and West "A" holes ("B" holes on your diagram) are not diametrically opposed.  They are offset from center-line but still on the 3.615 inch circle.  Have a good look at where the East and West slits lie as seen from the bottom of the mount.

This photograph is not my adapter but is the top plate from the ATS pier that I measured hole locations from.

-- David F.



On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 8:12 AM Aleksandar Topalov <kenza.topalov@...> wrote:
Hi!

I am making a custom pier adapter for my AP 900 mount. Can anyone tell me what is the distance from the center (D) to the four threaded holes where the knobs fit (B). Center to center distance.

Aleksandar

 


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

 

Howdy,


Once you do a GoTo, the mount will be in tracking mode. 


You can stop it from tracking by setting the track rate to STOP in the main menu. In version 4.19.3, the most current version, the 8 button controls the tracking rate. You can choose from Sidereal, Solar, Lunar, and STOP. Since your keypad is purchased used, you might want to access the manual. You can find the documentation on our website, here https://astro-physics.info/index.htm?tech_support/tech_support. We have up to date manuals for all current products there.


Is this what you were looking for? 

Liam Plybon

AP


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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:00:57 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] new user's Keypad ? #Keypad
 
Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine.  I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process.  For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC.  So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


Re: new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

michael mccann
 

Keypad S/N is 4305GTO

is there a special battery installed in this? or is it a standard 9V

On April 13, 2021 at 9:01 AM, "mmccawsprojects via groups.io" <mmccawsprojects@...> wrote:

Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine.  I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process.  For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC.  So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


new user's Keypad ? #Keypad

michael mccann
 

Hi
Bought a used AP 1600, super nice machine.  I'm trying to become fluent with the Keypad work flow process.  For some reason I'm not getting how to move the RA and DEC.  So once I use the goto function to an object, it's in guiding mode. Do I need to somehow get it to unguide? if so, what key sequence do i use.

Mike


Custom pier adapter for AP 900

Aleksandar Topalov
 

Hi!

I am making a custom pier adapter for my AP 900 mount. Can anyone tell me what is the distance from the center (D) to the four threaded holes where the knobs fit (B). Center to center distance.

Aleksandar

 


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

Worsel
 

In this thread https://ap-gto.groups.io/g/main/topic/81406546#77145

Ray mentions that Dec-arc modeling is done, but other enhancements, including ASTAP as an integral plate solver to APPM, rather than an add-on via SGP, are in the works but release date is still fluid.  The above thread is only a month old.

Bryan


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

Dale Ghent
 

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I've always had the camera add-on for TSX, so when I started using Image Link for the first time for APPM, I wasn't sure if it was something that was a part of the base app or the add-on. I just was happy it worked.

I've never used PinPoint as a solver. As a NINA user and in light of ASTAP et al being supported, would supporting PinPoint be desirable at all? I haven't looked into what an integration would look like on the technical side; if it's just a TCP network API or something else.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 17:17, W Hilmo <y.groups@hilmo.net> wrote:

" and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that."

You do not need the camera add-on to use TSX as the plate solver in APPM. I have MaxIm, TSX, (full) PinPoint, SGP, NINA, PlateSolve2 and ASTAP and have used them all in various combinations. If I remember right, the capture software and solving software seems to be pretty decoupled from each other in APPM. If you supported capture software, you can independently pick supported plate solve software. For what it's worth, I have found TSX to have a really fast and robust plate solve routine. It seems to do better than the others with difficult to solve fields (either in a star-poor area, or because of passing thin clouds).

Since I've switched to NINA for my image capture, I've used MaxIm as my capture software for APPM. I am looking forward to having both ASCOM camera support and ASTAP support in APPM. If you have a camera with ASCOM drivers (I do), that's going to be a nice configuration that can run independent of your normal capture software.

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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


No, there's no PinPoint support in NINA at the moment. I might get the eval copy of PinPoint and put in support for it at some point, but my time is so limited now that such a project would need to get in line with all the other things on the to-do list for me.

As for APCC being able to use ASTAP, I can't comment on when that will be available. Only Ray, Karen, or Marj would have any authority on release date or other such expectations.

As for your workflow, all you'll need is APCC Pro+APPM, your camera's ASCOM driver, and a plate solver that's supported directly by APPM, such as PinPoint or TSX (and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that. All I know is that it works for me(tm) and I do have the camera add-on)

One APCC supports ASTAP, you can have it use the same installation of ASTAP that NINA uses.

As for polar alignment, the RAPAS is a fine tool for that, however if you have a lot of cables going through the mount, you might run into complications with those cables interfering with the view of the RAPAS. This is my case with my Mach1, so I use SharpCap Pro's PA tool and my guide camera or main camera to do polar alignment.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:28, ap@captivephotons.com <ap@CaptivePhotons.com> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I plan to sell my Paramount when the AP 1100 comes in so TSX will go with it.

Pinpoint is not usable with NINA, right? So I should plan on getting Pinpoint for APPM and keep ASTAP for NINA?

Or do you think there may be different answer by June?

Just trying to get installed and familiar with as much stuff as I can ahead of time.

Is Pinpoint the only non-AP software I'll need to make the AP1100 work? Assuming the polar scope is adequate in itself.


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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 8:37 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


Yes, there is currently no direct cooperation between NINA and APPM at this moment, but that can come in the future and I've worked with Ray to get a proof of concept of APPM->NINA working.

One APPM can utilize ASTAP directly as a solver instead of through a surrogate app, things will be much more straight-forward and lightweight. Currently, I do my APPM run during twilight with it utilizing the camera ASCOM driver (QHY in my case) and TSX as the plate solving provider. Once that's done, I shut all that down and then run my standard NINA stack for imaging through the night. While TSX is fine and functionally does the job of solving what APPM throws at it, it's still a bit slow and the ability to use ASTAP would let me uninstall the TSX monster from my imaging mini PC.


On Apr 11, 2021, at 22:04, ap@CaptivePhotons.com wrote:

My hope was to use NINA as a sequencer. Which I doubt is callable for plate solving from APPM.

I hear that ASTAP will be supported, but is not now. I hope to get mine in June, am I going to need Pinpoint, or show ASTAP work by then (I won’t be offended by the standard answer of most software which is “no promises of future dates” but if one has been announced… ).

While I have TSX now I do not plan to use it with the AP1100.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffc via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:55 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?

I use SGP and ASTAP. A 90 point model takes about a half hour

I didn’t think astap was supported in the AP software; or is this coming ASTAP -> SGP -> AP?
I have also been thinking about using SGP and ASTAP.
Fwiw: I have been assuming APPM (?) uses SGP to capture and plate solve, and SGP in turn uses ASTAP to do the plate solve.
... but I'm far from knowledgeable on this, tho I would like to confirm this works or not without burning too many cycles ... But I'll probably just try it sometime soon.

Also fwiw I'm still on the SGP learning curve, along with a new camera. Was using maxim-dl, but I don't have full pinpoint. (And I've been avoiding TSX from a bad experience with it in the past, which is likely resolved.) I am almost 100% open at this point for image acquisition apps as long as they don't break the bank or my brain. e.g. Voyager has been noted in other forums, however it seems to me SGP is more intuitive, and maybe is more supported... and afaik APPM does not work with Voyager.

Point is: there seems to be many variations/options for software these days, which might have varying performance and capability levels. It would be good to know what works well (at this point in time).
I also am realizing "what works well" may depend on the imaging hardware one is using - whether ascom-only or natively supported.
E.g. I'm currently moving to an Ascom-only camera (at least I believe there isn't native QHY driver integration with with Maxim or SGP).
The upside is the new camera seems to have blazing download speed compared to the ST-8300M I was previously using.

thx .. this is a timely thread for me, btw.

-jeff





















Re: APPM model how many points portable?

W Hilmo
 

" and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that."

You do not need the camera add-on to use TSX as the plate solver in APPM. I have MaxIm, TSX, (full) PinPoint, SGP, NINA, PlateSolve2 and ASTAP and have used them all in various combinations. If I remember right, the capture software and solving software seems to be pretty decoupled from each other in APPM. If you supported capture software, you can independently pick supported plate solve software. For what it's worth, I have found TSX to have a really fast and robust plate solve routine. It seems to do better than the others with difficult to solve fields (either in a star-poor area, or because of passing thin clouds).

Since I've switched to NINA for my image capture, I've used MaxIm as my capture software for APPM. I am looking forward to having both ASCOM camera support and ASTAP support in APPM. If you have a camera with ASCOM drivers (I do), that's going to be a nice configuration that can run independent of your normal capture software.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 11:27 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


No, there's no PinPoint support in NINA at the moment. I might get the eval copy of PinPoint and put in support for it at some point, but my time is so limited now that such a project would need to get in line with all the other things on the to-do list for me.

As for APCC being able to use ASTAP, I can't comment on when that will be available. Only Ray, Karen, or Marj would have any authority on release date or other such expectations.

As for your workflow, all you'll need is APCC Pro+APPM, your camera's ASCOM driver, and a plate solver that's supported directly by APPM, such as PinPoint or TSX (and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that. All I know is that it works for me(tm) and I do have the camera add-on)

One APCC supports ASTAP, you can have it use the same installation of ASTAP that NINA uses.

As for polar alignment, the RAPAS is a fine tool for that, however if you have a lot of cables going through the mount, you might run into complications with those cables interfering with the view of the RAPAS. This is my case with my Mach1, so I use SharpCap Pro's PA tool and my guide camera or main camera to do polar alignment.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:28, ap@captivephotons.com <ap@CaptivePhotons.com> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I plan to sell my Paramount when the AP 1100 comes in so TSX will go with it.

Pinpoint is not usable with NINA, right? So I should plan on getting Pinpoint for APPM and keep ASTAP for NINA?

Or do you think there may be different answer by June?

Just trying to get installed and familiar with as much stuff as I can ahead of time.

Is Pinpoint the only non-AP software I'll need to make the AP1100 work? Assuming the polar scope is adequate in itself.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 8:37 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


Yes, there is currently no direct cooperation between NINA and APPM at this moment, but that can come in the future and I've worked with Ray to get a proof of concept of APPM->NINA working.

One APPM can utilize ASTAP directly as a solver instead of through a surrogate app, things will be much more straight-forward and lightweight. Currently, I do my APPM run during twilight with it utilizing the camera ASCOM driver (QHY in my case) and TSX as the plate solving provider. Once that's done, I shut all that down and then run my standard NINA stack for imaging through the night. While TSX is fine and functionally does the job of solving what APPM throws at it, it's still a bit slow and the ability to use ASTAP would let me uninstall the TSX monster from my imaging mini PC.


On Apr 11, 2021, at 22:04, ap@CaptivePhotons.com wrote:

My hope was to use NINA as a sequencer. Which I doubt is callable for plate solving from APPM.

I hear that ASTAP will be supported, but is not now. I hope to get mine in June, am I going to need Pinpoint, or show ASTAP work by then (I won’t be offended by the standard answer of most software which is “no promises of future dates” but if one has been announced… ).

While I have TSX now I do not plan to use it with the AP1100.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffc via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:55 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?

I use SGP and ASTAP. A 90 point model takes about a half hour

I didn’t think astap was supported in the AP software; or is this coming ASTAP -> SGP -> AP?
I have also been thinking about using SGP and ASTAP.
Fwiw: I have been assuming APPM (?) uses SGP to capture and plate solve, and SGP in turn uses ASTAP to do the plate solve.
... but I'm far from knowledgeable on this, tho I would like to confirm this works or not without burning too many cycles ... But I'll probably just try it sometime soon.

Also fwiw I'm still on the SGP learning curve, along with a new camera. Was using maxim-dl, but I don't have full pinpoint. (And I've been avoiding TSX from a bad experience with it in the past, which is likely resolved.) I am almost 100% open at this point for image acquisition apps as long as they don't break the bank or my brain. e.g. Voyager has been noted in other forums, however it seems to me SGP is more intuitive, and maybe is more supported... and afaik APPM does not work with Voyager.

Point is: there seems to be many variations/options for software these days, which might have varying performance and capability levels. It would be good to know what works well (at this point in time).
I also am realizing "what works well" may depend on the imaging hardware one is using - whether ascom-only or natively supported.
E.g. I'm currently moving to an Ascom-only camera (at least I believe there isn't native QHY driver integration with with Maxim or SGP).
The upside is the new camera seems to have blazing download speed compared to the ST-8300M I was previously using.

thx .. this is a timely thread for me, btw.

-jeff










Re: APPM model how many points portable?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Thanks for that last.   The hour is not great but good to know about cable.  It was thru-the-mount cabling and AE’s that lured me to the AP1100 instead of Mach 2 (or 10Micron!).

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Howard via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 4:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?

 

I ran a 93 point run last night and it was 1 hour and 2 minutes with a single bad platesolve using SGP and Platesolve 2.  You will have plenty of room for 4 cable with RAPAS installed.


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

Roger Howard
 

I ran a 93 point run last night and it was 1 hour and 2 minutes with a single bad platesolve using SGP and Platesolve 2.  You will have plenty of room for 4 cable with RAPAS installed.


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Yeah, I have no real need for another plate solver in NINA, ASTAP works great.

So I'll wait to see what developers but expect I might need to get Pinpoint going as well; I've got plenty of disk.

As to cables -- I was told there's LOTS of room even with RAPAS, but I guess the definition of "lots" is subjective. I'm hoping to run 4.

Getting anxious too early, still have a lot of waiting to do...

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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


No, there's no PinPoint support in NINA at the moment. I might get the eval copy of PinPoint and put in support for it at some point, but my time is so limited now that such a project would need to get in line with all the other things on the to-do list for me.

As for APCC being able to use ASTAP, I can't comment on when that will be available. Only Ray, Karen, or Marj would have any authority on release date or other such expectations.

As for your workflow, all you'll need is APCC Pro+APPM, your camera's ASCOM driver, and a plate solver that's supported directly by APPM, such as PinPoint or TSX (and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that. All I know is that it works for me(tm) and I do have the camera add-on)

One APCC supports ASTAP, you can have it use the same installation of ASTAP that NINA uses.

As for polar alignment, the RAPAS is a fine tool for that, however if you have a lot of cables going through the mount, you might run into complications with those cables interfering with the view of the RAPAS. This is my case with my Mach1, so I use SharpCap Pro's PA tool and my guide camera or main camera to do polar alignment.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:28, ap@captivephotons.com <ap@CaptivePhotons.com> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I plan to sell my Paramount when the AP 1100 comes in so TSX will go with it.

Pinpoint is not usable with NINA, right? So I should plan on getting Pinpoint for APPM and keep ASTAP for NINA?

Or do you think there may be different answer by June?

Just trying to get installed and familiar with as much stuff as I can ahead of time.

Is Pinpoint the only non-AP software I'll need to make the AP1100 work? Assuming the polar scope is adequate in itself.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Ghent via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 8:37 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


Yes, there is currently no direct cooperation between NINA and APPM at this moment, but that can come in the future and I've worked with Ray to get a proof of concept of APPM->NINA working.

One APPM can utilize ASTAP directly as a solver instead of through a surrogate app, things will be much more straight-forward and lightweight. Currently, I do my APPM run during twilight with it utilizing the camera ASCOM driver (QHY in my case) and TSX as the plate solving provider. Once that's done, I shut all that down and then run my standard NINA stack for imaging through the night. While TSX is fine and functionally does the job of solving what APPM throws at it, it's still a bit slow and the ability to use ASTAP would let me uninstall the TSX monster from my imaging mini PC.


On Apr 11, 2021, at 22:04, ap@CaptivePhotons.com wrote:

My hope was to use NINA as a sequencer. Which I doubt is callable for plate solving from APPM.

I hear that ASTAP will be supported, but is not now. I hope to get mine in June, am I going to need Pinpoint, or show ASTAP work by then (I won’t be offended by the standard answer of most software which is “no promises of future dates” but if one has been announced… ).

While I have TSX now I do not plan to use it with the AP1100.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffc via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:55 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?

I use SGP and ASTAP. A 90 point model takes about a half hour

I didn’t think astap was supported in the AP software; or is this coming ASTAP -> SGP -> AP?
I have also been thinking about using SGP and ASTAP.
Fwiw: I have been assuming APPM (?) uses SGP to capture and plate solve, and SGP in turn uses ASTAP to do the plate solve.
... but I'm far from knowledgeable on this, tho I would like to confirm this works or not without burning too many cycles ... But I'll probably just try it sometime soon.

Also fwiw I'm still on the SGP learning curve, along with a new camera. Was using maxim-dl, but I don't have full pinpoint. (And I've been avoiding TSX from a bad experience with it in the past, which is likely resolved.) I am almost 100% open at this point for image acquisition apps as long as they don't break the bank or my brain. e.g. Voyager has been noted in other forums, however it seems to me SGP is more intuitive, and maybe is more supported... and afaik APPM does not work with Voyager.

Point is: there seems to be many variations/options for software these days, which might have varying performance and capability levels. It would be good to know what works well (at this point in time).
I also am realizing "what works well" may depend on the imaging hardware one is using - whether ascom-only or natively supported.
E.g. I'm currently moving to an Ascom-only camera (at least I believe there isn't native QHY driver integration with with Maxim or SGP).
The upside is the new camera seems to have blazing download speed compared to the ST-8300M I was previously using.

thx .. this is a timely thread for me, btw.

-jeff










Re: APPM model how many points portable?

Dale Ghent
 

No, there's no PinPoint support in NINA at the moment. I might get the eval copy of PinPoint and put in support for it at some point, but my time is so limited now that such a project would need to get in line with all the other things on the to-do list for me.

As for APCC being able to use ASTAP, I can't comment on when that will be available. Only Ray, Karen, or Marj would have any authority on release date or other such expectations.

As for your workflow, all you'll need is APCC Pro+APPM, your camera's ASCOM driver, and a plate solver that's supported directly by APPM, such as PinPoint or TSX (and I think you might need the camera add-on for TSX to use Image Link? I'm not 100% sure on that. All I know is that it works for me(tm) and I do have the camera add-on)

One APCC supports ASTAP, you can have it use the same installation of ASTAP that NINA uses.

As for polar alignment, the RAPAS is a fine tool for that, however if you have a lot of cables going through the mount, you might run into complications with those cables interfering with the view of the RAPAS. This is my case with my Mach1, so I use SharpCap Pro's PA tool and my guide camera or main camera to do polar alignment.

On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:28, ap@captivephotons.com <ap@CaptivePhotons.com> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I plan to sell my Paramount when the AP 1100 comes in so TSX will go with it.

Pinpoint is not usable with NINA, right? So I should plan on getting Pinpoint for APPM and keep ASTAP for NINA?

Or do you think there may be different answer by June?

Just trying to get installed and familiar with as much stuff as I can ahead of time.

Is Pinpoint the only non-AP software I'll need to make the AP1100 work? Assuming the polar scope is adequate in itself.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Ghent via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 8:37 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?


Yes, there is currently no direct cooperation between NINA and APPM at this moment, but that can come in the future and I've worked with Ray to get a proof of concept of APPM->NINA working.

One APPM can utilize ASTAP directly as a solver instead of through a surrogate app, things will be much more straight-forward and lightweight. Currently, I do my APPM run during twilight with it utilizing the camera ASCOM driver (QHY in my case) and TSX as the plate solving provider. Once that's done, I shut all that down and then run my standard NINA stack for imaging through the night. While TSX is fine and functionally does the job of solving what APPM throws at it, it's still a bit slow and the ability to use ASTAP would let me uninstall the TSX monster from my imaging mini PC.


On Apr 11, 2021, at 22:04, ap@CaptivePhotons.com wrote:

My hope was to use NINA as a sequencer. Which I doubt is callable for plate solving from APPM.

I hear that ASTAP will be supported, but is not now. I hope to get mine in June, am I going to need Pinpoint, or show ASTAP work by then (I won’t be offended by the standard answer of most software which is “no promises of future dates” but if one has been announced… ).

While I have TSX now I do not plan to use it with the AP1100.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffc via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:55 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?

I use SGP and ASTAP. A 90 point model takes about a half hour

I didn’t think astap was supported in the AP software; or is this coming ASTAP -> SGP -> AP?
I have also been thinking about using SGP and ASTAP.
Fwiw: I have been assuming APPM (?) uses SGP to capture and plate solve, and SGP in turn uses ASTAP to do the plate solve.
... but I'm far from knowledgeable on this, tho I would like to confirm this works or not without burning too many cycles ... But I'll probably just try it sometime soon.

Also fwiw I'm still on the SGP learning curve, along with a new camera. Was using maxim-dl, but I don't have full pinpoint. (And I've been avoiding TSX from a bad experience with it in the past, which is likely resolved.) I am almost 100% open at this point for image acquisition apps as long as they don't break the bank or my brain. e.g. Voyager has been noted in other forums, however it seems to me SGP is more intuitive, and maybe is more supported... and afaik APPM does not work with Voyager.

Point is: there seems to be many variations/options for software these days, which might have varying performance and capability levels. It would be good to know what works well (at this point in time).
I also am realizing "what works well" may depend on the imaging hardware one is using - whether ascom-only or natively supported.
E.g. I'm currently moving to an Ascom-only camera (at least I believe there isn't native QHY driver integration with with Maxim or SGP).
The upside is the new camera seems to have blazing download speed compared to the ST-8300M I was previously using.

thx .. this is a timely thread for me, btw.

-jeff










Re: 1200GTO servicing project notes

Dale Ghent
 

On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:43, Andrew Jones <andjones132@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dale.

Thanks for sharing the photos. Very helpful. What did you use to clean the the Worm and and Worm Wheel?
I use 3 things:

* An old white cotton rag, t-shirt, or similar
* A roll of regular paper towels or shop paper towels (the blue kind you can get at auto stores)
* A box of flat toothpicks

Given the nature of the work, it's tedious. The 1200 was much easier to clean compared to my Mach1 because the worm wheel teeth are larger. Either way, be prepared for a time-consuming process and relax while you do it, because your fingers will get tried if you don't.

For the worm wheel:

1. Use cotton rag to wipe old grease from the surface of the whole worm wheel. This will leave you with a shiny wheel with dirty teeth.

2. Get a square of paper towel and a flat toothpick and start on cleaning out the teeth (valleys?) in the worm wheel. Put a part of the paper towel over the teeth and push it into one of the teeth with the broad end of the flat toothpick. Start at one end and, with one hand holding the paper towel and the other hand holding the toothpick, start at one end of the tooth and make a single wiping motion with the toothpick+towel along its length to the other end.

You want the towel and toothpick to move together, not let the toothpick slide over the towel. This will pick up and push any gunk out. For larger/deeper/wider teeth such as ones on the RA wheel, you might want to fold the paper towel over on itself and do it with two layers. The flat toothpicks work well because you can adjust the angle of the broad end such that it's pressing the paper towel against the sides and bottom of the tooth at the same time. I found with this method that I rarely need to do a tooth twice, if the grease isn't hardened.

3. One all teeth or a section of teeth on the wheel are cleaned, wipe it down again with the cotton rag.

4. Once completely done with the wheel, shine a light on it and give it a few spins as you watch for any darker teeth to spin by. It's a decent way to quickly find any teeth that might still have a little smear of old dirty grease in them. Go back with the paper towel+toothpick and clean out any that show up.

I found that using the cotton rag for wiping down the surface and the paper tow for the in-tooth work to be a good combo. The edges of the teeth on these wheels are sharp and I've found they can chew up a cotton rag pretty quickly, leaving little cotton bits everywhere. Using paper towel seems to avoid this issue.

For the worm gear, there are two ways to do it. One is while the spur gears are out so that the worm gear can freely rotate as you clean it. Another is with the spur gears in and the motor attached to the RA plug of the cable and powered on, with the worm being rotated by the motor at a custom tracking rate that's (subjectively) faster than sidereal. Otherwise, the method is similar to the worm wheel with the use of cotton rag, paper towel, and toothpick.

1. Wipe down surface of the worm gear and remove excess grease with cotton rag

2. Take paper towel+toothpick and press the towel into the groove, scooping out gunk as it turns

3. Further wipe down and touch up as needed until clean


Then apply grease per the instructions (I went a little heavy on the grease in my photos; it's going to be in a non-conditioned space and it might be a while until the next regreasing). Also, bring a box of flat toothpicks, not just a few. They'll snap and break as you do it. Just toss them aside and grab another one as you go along. I'm thinking a plastic implement of similar design would fare better here, perhaps made out of pvc or styrene, but given the cost of toothpicks, it's no a big deal.

/dale


Re: Park to home from imaging application (SGPro?)

Anis Abdul
 

Hi Brian, 
Thank you. The issue is, I dont want (can't) to park in any of the pre-defined park position because of the aforementioned roof. I could possibly make it work with Park 4 when I go back to the observatory and reduce the pier height a bit.  If I had the option of either parking to Home position (defined in APCC) or if the Alt-Az positions have same behavior between APCC and ASCOM, then this would be resolved quite nicely.
I am hoping this is user error and there is a way to park to that precise user defined position . Else I have to figure out adjusting the pier. 
Thanks
Anis


Re: Park to home from imaging application (SGPro?)

 

Hi Anis

I think there is an option you may have missed, i park in position 3 all the time via SGP

see bottom left


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On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 10:47 AM Anis Abdul <anismo@...> wrote:

I have an AP900 setup in my observatory and the pier is tall enough that I need the scope to parked in a specific position to prevent it from interfering with the roof (and also to point to the wall). 
Using APCC standard, I have configured the correct position and it is working well and accurately.

The problem is, with SGP, I want to park to that position each time and it connects to the AP ASCOM V2 driver. The AP ASCOM V2 driver has only "Current Position" , "Park 1 to 5" and "Alt/Az" position.  

Ideally if the ASCOM driver can pass through the park command to APCC , it would do the job (since APCC is set to park to Home position). However, since I dont see that option, I set up  User defined Alt-Az position as the park position.

The issue I see is, the resolution of the Alt/Az of APCC is higher than that of ASCOM driver,
The APCC Alt-Az is set to 30:54:34.8 and 00:00:00.6
The ASCOM sees it as 30:54:34 and 00:00:01

If I do park from the ASCOM driver to the Alt/Az it does not go the require position (it is slightly off but enough to be a problem). If I park from APCC, it is perfect.

Is there any setting or option I am missing (I did look into the documentation ) but cant figure out how to get the park to go to the Home position .

Thanks in advance
Anis





--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Park to home from imaging application (SGPro?)

Anis Abdul
 

I have an AP900 setup in my observatory and the pier is tall enough that I need the scope to parked in a specific position to prevent it from interfering with the roof (and also to point to the wall). 
Using APCC standard, I have configured the correct position and it is working well and accurately.

The problem is, with SGP, I want to park to that position each time and it connects to the AP ASCOM V2 driver. The AP ASCOM V2 driver has only "Current Position" , "Park 1 to 5" and "Alt/Az" position.  

Ideally if the ASCOM driver can pass through the park command to APCC , it would do the job (since APCC is set to park to Home position). However, since I dont see that option, I set up  User defined Alt-Az position as the park position.

The issue I see is, the resolution of the Alt/Az of APCC is higher than that of ASCOM driver,
The APCC Alt-Az is set to 30:54:34.8 and 00:00:00.6
The ASCOM sees it as 30:54:34 and 00:00:01

If I do park from the ASCOM driver to the Alt/Az it does not go the require position (it is slightly off but enough to be a problem). If I park from APCC, it is perfect.

Is there any setting or option I am missing (I did look into the documentation ) but cant figure out how to get the park to go to the Home position .

Thanks in advance
Anis




Re: 1200GTO servicing project notes

Andrew J
 
Edited

Hi Dale.

Thanks for sharing the photos. Very helpful. What did you use to clean the the Worm and and Worm Wheel?


Re: APPM model how many points portable?

ap@CaptivePhotons.com
 

Hi Dale,

I plan to sell my Paramount when the AP 1100 comes in so TSX will go with it.

Pinpoint is not usable with NINA, right? So I should plan on getting Pinpoint for APPM and keep ASTAP for NINA?

Or do you think there may be different answer by June?

Just trying to get installed and familiar with as much stuff as I can ahead of time.

Is Pinpoint the only non-AP software I'll need to make the AP1100 work? Assuming the polar scope is adequate in itself.

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Yes, there is currently no direct cooperation between NINA and APPM at this moment, but that can come in the future and I've worked with Ray to get a proof of concept of APPM->NINA working.

One APPM can utilize ASTAP directly as a solver instead of through a surrogate app, things will be much more straight-forward and lightweight. Currently, I do my APPM run during twilight with it utilizing the camera ASCOM driver (QHY in my case) and TSX as the plate solving provider. Once that's done, I shut all that down and then run my standard NINA stack for imaging through the night. While TSX is fine and functionally does the job of solving what APPM throws at it, it's still a bit slow and the ability to use ASTAP would let me uninstall the TSX monster from my imaging mini PC.


On Apr 11, 2021, at 22:04, ap@CaptivePhotons.com wrote:

My hope was to use NINA as a sequencer. Which I doubt is callable for plate solving from APPM.

I hear that ASTAP will be supported, but is not now. I hope to get mine in June, am I going to need Pinpoint, or show ASTAP work by then (I won’t be offended by the standard answer of most software which is “no promises of future dates” but if one has been announced… ).

While I have TSX now I do not plan to use it with the AP1100.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffc via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:55 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM model how many points portable?

I use SGP and ASTAP. A 90 point model takes about a half hour

I didn’t think astap was supported in the AP software; or is this coming ASTAP -> SGP -> AP?
I have also been thinking about using SGP and ASTAP.
Fwiw: I have been assuming APPM (?) uses SGP to capture and plate solve, and SGP in turn uses ASTAP to do the plate solve.
... but I'm far from knowledgeable on this, tho I would like to confirm this works or not without burning too many cycles ... But I'll probably just try it sometime soon.

Also fwiw I'm still on the SGP learning curve, along with a new camera. Was using maxim-dl, but I don't have full pinpoint. (And I've been avoiding TSX from a bad experience with it in the past, which is likely resolved.) I am almost 100% open at this point for image acquisition apps as long as they don't break the bank or my brain. e.g. Voyager has been noted in other forums, however it seems to me SGP is more intuitive, and maybe is more supported... and afaik APPM does not work with Voyager.

Point is: there seems to be many variations/options for software these days, which might have varying performance and capability levels. It would be good to know what works well (at this point in time).
I also am realizing "what works well" may depend on the imaging hardware one is using - whether ascom-only or natively supported.
E.g. I'm currently moving to an Ascom-only camera (at least I believe there isn't native QHY driver integration with with Maxim or SGP).
The upside is the new camera seems to have blazing download speed compared to the ST-8300M I was previously using.

thx .. this is a timely thread for me, btw.

-jeff

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