Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Stone, Jack G
Migration of electrons have to exceed 740MHz to start migrating to the outer circumference of the conductor (depends on the conductor structure). So your USB or interface cabling should account for signal attenuation or at least understand for the 15’ USB3 what is the specification!!! Cannot go cheap on these – and ensure that they are well shielded, aluminum paper wrap is not shielding.
For the sake of our equipment – The mount will impart the largest di/dt. Taking into account the data collected based on the loading (load and Fulcrum (lever) – you can ascertain at some maximum skew rate and the amount of current sinked to mitigate violating the minimum voltage which can damage the instrument or throw off the accuracy.
That is the goal I would assume – taking into account the various loads from other devices; cameras, conversion factors, USB controllers and communication devices all have voltage limits. If you exceed that minimum voltage in any of these devices you can expect inoperability.
So understanding your power consumption and your input voltage vs. full load is the key goal I would suspect.
Minimalist path – use the thickest gauge with the highest strand count. Source a silicon based insulator (varmints for some reason will not eat) and ensure that you contacts are sealed from moisture. Sealed connects are important. From your power distribution panel to the equipment. Purchase the best interface cables you can afford – after spending that $8K on that camera only to use dollar store USB – you would induce all that noise from the transition out of the camera to your storage device. Does not make sense when you looking for that ultra low noise.
Cover unused connectors – at some point you might need them and if they are corroded it will impact the capability for the physical connection. Some use RTV or clear silicon caulking.
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On Behalf Of Seb@stro
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 1:12 PM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Christopher,
I leave half of that work to the UL/CSA compliance guys.
And then, skin effect and velocity of propagation at 0Hz could be an interesting discussion... 😉
CS! Sébastien
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main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> de la part de Christopher Erickson <christopher.k.erickson@...>
At least nobody started talking about skin effect, nominal velocity of propagation, current NEC electrical code requirements, insulation dielectric characteristics, breakdown voltages, mutual inductance, impedance, hysteresis, magnetic fields, reluctance, EMI shielding, plating techniques, ductility, annealing, connector MTBF, connector insertion lifetimes, NEMA ratings, EMP, lightning protection, R-56 compliance, insulation color coding, insulation UV ratings, US vs. ISO specifications, suppleness.......
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Re: About APCC and ISS tracking and PC Time
drgert1
@Dale & All,
The app came for free with the GPS dongle. Not very sophisticated. Thus probably missing out on DST. I asked NMEATime2 about preferences of COM over USB vs BT. BT seems to be deprecated. More interesting the 2sec gap between Win10 clock and GPS. I had used the sync with network in the MSFT clock settings popup just 5min prior. Alas I probably hadn't let the GPS soak for long enough. Will try again. Ping for Ray : Any ideas about hand controller / joystick override for the ISS tracking ? Cheers, Gert
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Sébastien Doré
Christopher,
I leave half of that work to the UL/CSA compliance guys.
And then, skin effect and velocity of propagation at 0Hz could be an interesting discussion... 😉
CS!
Sébastien
De : main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> de la part de Christopher Erickson <christopher.k.erickson@...>
Envoyé : 9 avril 2021 15:47 À : main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Objet : Re: [ap-gto] Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of At least nobody started talking about skin effect, nominal velocity of propagation, current NEC electrical code requirements, insulation dielectric characteristics, breakdown voltages, mutual inductance, impedance, hysteresis, magnetic fields,
reluctance, EMI shielding, plating techniques, ductility, annealing, connector MTBF, connector insertion lifetimes, NEMA ratings, EMP, lightning protection, R-56 compliance, insulation color coding, insulation UV ratings, US vs. ISO specifications, suppleness.......
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Daniel Marcus
Hi Chris
don't give them any ideas LOL
Dan Marcus
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Christopher Erickson <christopher.k.erickson@...>
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 3:47 PM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of At least nobody started talking about skin effect, nominal velocity of propagation, current NEC electrical code requirements, insulation dielectric characteristics, breakdown voltages, mutual inductance, impedance, hysteresis, magnetic fields,
reluctance, EMI shielding, plating techniques, ductility, annealing, connector MTBF, connector insertion lifetimes, NEMA ratings, EMP, lightning protection, R-56 compliance, insulation color coding, insulation UV ratings, US vs. ISO specifications, suppleness.......
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 9:36 AM Seb@stro <sebastiendore1@...> wrote:
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Sébastien Doré
Mike,
Technically, all the points made were valid, but practically, to power an AP mount, don't over-think it!
It doesn't change a thing if the mount is an AP or other brand, minimum voltage requirement needs to be met for proper operation.
Besides, the extension I plan to make with that cable isn't even to power the mount, but rather my pegasus powerbox to which all cameras, NUC and peripherals are connected. All this can pull significant amperage at times, hence causing the undesirable voltage
drop (the NUC is the most unpredictable part of the system). I should probably have added that my setup is for
100% portable use (so weight is also a concern) and aims to be powered by a single 12V 24Ah sealed battery, even in the cold winter nights I can get at my place (-20 to -25C).
But to those who don't require/like to fiddle with that level of optimization, I agree using a higher gauge might be the way to go...
CS!
Sébastien
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
At least nobody started talking about skin effect, nominal velocity of propagation, current NEC electrical code requirements, insulation dielectric characteristics, breakdown voltages, mutual inductance, impedance, hysteresis, magnetic fields, reluctance, EMI shielding, plating techniques, ductility, annealing, connector MTBF, connector insertion lifetimes, NEMA ratings, EMP, lightning protection, R-56 compliance, insulation color coding, insulation UV ratings, US vs. ISO specifications, suppleness.......
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 9:36 AM Seb@stro <sebastiendore1@...> wrote:
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Sébastien Doré
Kenneth,
Yeah, tought of that but I found them a bit expensive to ship to my location (Canada) so I got them from a local dealer instead. Thanks anyway.
CS!
Sébastien
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Envoyé : 9 avril 2021 13:47 À : main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> Objet : Re: [ap-gto] Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of Try getting the cables from Powerwerx. They also supply the Anderson powerpole connectors.
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 01:05, Seb@stro <sebastiendore1@...> wrote:
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Sébastien Doré
Christopher, I plead guilty. 😬
But as you'll certainly agree, better do it right once and for all. I personnaly don't like oversizing everything just to be on the safe side when I know I can optimize something. But that's just me, trying to pull every tenth of an ounce of
performance out of my equipment...
And hey, system integration is half the fun of this hobby. Using AP equipement doesn't leave many things to
fuss with so I thought why not try to bring the rest to the same standard.
CS!
Sébastien
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Re: Mac Desktop version of SkySafari Updated today to 6.8.X
Allen Ruckle
Mac OS ap SkySafai 6 plus was updated to version 6.8.1 this week but they do not appear to know about the Park positions and Home location for the Astro-Physics GTO mounts. I know this because after installing the latest SkySafari update and tested the new update 6.9.1 which has not been corrected.
The Simulated Curriculum product forum as configured will not allow my attempts to register a new account. This prevents me from posting my findings on the forum to notify them of the problem directly. aruckle
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
On 4/9/2021 1:52 PM, Christopher Erickson wrote:
Some of you people are REALLY over-thinking this...That's what I was going to say. Technically, all the points made were valid, but practically, to power an AP mount, don't over-think it! Get some 16AWG insulated stranded copper wire (14AWG for REALLY long runs), and be done with it. --- Mike http://astronomy.mdodd.com
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Kenneth Tan
🤣🤣🤣
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 01:53, Christopher Erickson <christopher.k.erickson@...> wrote:
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Some of you people are REALLY over-thinking this... "My advice is always free and worth every penny!" Observatory Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, Hawaii
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 7:48 AM Kenneth Tan <ktanhs@...> wrote:
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Kenneth Tan
Try getting the cables from Powerwerx. They also supply the Anderson powerpole connectors.
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 01:05, Seb@stro <sebastiendore1@...> wrote:
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Sébastien Doré
I was looking at SJEOOW Seoprene Cu cable from Southwire (similar to the power cable that goes from the power source to 12-24V input
on the CP5). Those are rated at 300V and stay quite flexible even at very low temperature (rated from -50 to 105 Celsius). The 16/2 nominal DCR is 4.05 Ohms/1000ft and composed of 26 strands of 30 AWG conductors.
If I can find it somewhere in bulk quanity, I should be good to go.
CS!
Sébastien
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
ap@CaptivePhotons.com
And some wire on Amazon and similar places is aluminum and as a rough estimate assume you need a full size increase (for AWG 18 copper use AWG 16 Aluminum, where “size” is 2 numbers, for reasons lost in NEC past).
Copper Clad aluminum (CCA) is even more widely sold, it looks like copper, it is very slightly better than pure aluminum, but is still aluminum. It’s often really hard on Amazon to tell if something is CCA or copper (on purpose as CCA is much cheaper).
Copper is still the gold standard. CCA and Aluminum exist to be cheap, really.
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Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 12:13 PM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Remember current flows through the wire – so wire that has a lot of small strands will have a lower IR drop. So not all 14AWG has the same current handling capability – they can differ by quite a bit. Vendors usually have online calculators for their products. Also important is the insulation rating
Regards,
Jack ~
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On Behalf Of vk3cjk
Knowing the wire gauge will enable the minimum voltage drop at a certain current to be calculated but it will not take the extra resistance of any poor connections into account. It's always best to do an end to end test under load. Cheers, Chris
On Fri, 9 Apr. 2021, 22:59 Seb@stro, <sebastiendore1@...> wrote:
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Stone, Jack G
Remember current flows through the wire – so wire that has a lot of small strands will have a lower IR drop. So not all 14AWG has the same current handling capability – they can differ by quite a bit. Vendors usually have online calculators for their products. Also important is the insulation rating
Regards,
Jack ~
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On Behalf Of vk3cjk
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 6:34 AM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Knowing the wire gauge will enable the minimum voltage drop at a certain current to be calculated but it will not take the extra resistance of any poor connections into account. It's always best to do an end to end test under load. Cheers, Chris
On Fri, 9 Apr. 2021, 22:59 Seb@stro, <sebastiendore1@...> wrote:
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Re: A Question Regarding an AP900 Mount
I just realized I never fully addressed your problem! Sorry Chris!
You can swap the RA and Dec cables on the 900 mount. Depending on your cable harness setup, this might require some contortion on your behalf. If you switch the cables and the problem follows the Dec cable, it is either the cable or the CP2. If the problem stays on the Dec axis, the problem is mechanical in nature. Email me directly when you have tried this, so we can work on it together. -- Liam Plybon Astro-Physics
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Sébastien Doré
Thanks again Liam, much appreciated!
Clear skies! Sébastien
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Re: Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Howdy,
The through mount power cable inside the Mach 2 is a 24” 16 AWG cable.
Liam
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Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 8:49 AM To: main@ap-gto.groups.io Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Power cable conductor gage (AWG) of
Chris,
Agree on that. But for sizing my own cable purpose, it's just not worth going the extra effort now.
CS!
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Re: APCC / APPM Frustration
Ray and Marty,
Please Cc me on your further conversations. I want to stay in the loop! To all who have contributed to this thread, thank you! When we solve this issue, I will try to post a summary of the solution for everyone's benefit. Howard
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