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vsalfranc@...
 

I am thinking of investing in APCC and I wondered which one to go for. My mount is an AP1100 Gto.
I have tried to download a copy for testing but for some reason I cannot download it. Your guidance would be appreciated.
Thanks
Vince


Re: APCC PRO - New to APPM and Pointing Model

Jack Huerkamp
 

Roberto,

There is a lot of good info in the APCC PRO manual.  Although I have been using APPC Standard for years, on Saturday, I printed out the PRO manual and started going through the entire book.  I got about 60% through it on Sunday during the clouds and rain.  Today I will take over where I left off and try to be ready for the next clearing to try what I learned. 

I am not an astrophotographer; instead I am into what is called EAA or Electronically Assisted Astronomy.  I prefer the term I coined years ago – CAO – camera assisted observing.  I use MallinCams to assist me in my live observing and allow me to see more and in color than I could with my aging eyes.  So instead of those gorgeous, wide field astrophotographs I have seen posted by members, I am more into looking for detail in those faint fuzzies.  So I will be using my VRC-16 at f/6 or f/8 to observe and share with others the live views on my computer screen.

As far as plate solving, I have been using All Sky Plate Solver.  It requires me to capture a JPG or FITS image and feed it into the program to calculate where the scope is pointed.  It is not automatic like other programs out there.  I have been working with Richard Wright of Software Bisque to incorporate the MallinCam SkyRaider cameras into The Sky X camera plugin, and he has successfully done so for most of them.  Since TSX does allow for plate solving, I will start using it with APCC PRO to do so.

As far as which camera will I be using, that will very with the target selected.  I have an array of cameras ranging from 17.6mm through 43.3mm diagonal sensor size and 1.7MP through 26MP.  I can calculate the pixel scale, image area and rotation angle for each for use in APPM.  With the smaller size and resolution camera, binning will not be needed.  With the larger sensor camera, I will use one of the digital binning options available to reduce the time needed to plate solve.

And after yesterday’s analysis of the first 60% of the manual, I now know how to set the meridian and horizon limits.  That will be the first things.

Thanks for your assistance.

Yours truly,

Jack

 

Jack Huerkamp

Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC

38388 Pine Street

Pearl River, LA 70452-5192

985-445-5063

mallincamusa@...

www.mallincamusa.com

30.37N  89.76W

 

All of us get lost in the darkness.
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars.

………………………………….Neil Peart

 

 

 

  Jack

I, like you, was a user of APCC Standard for years. Learning to use the Pro version and APPM was no problem at all. 

You definitely want to use the same imaging equipment you will be using on a regular basis on the mount as you are modelling the characteristics not only of the mount, such as pointing, but more importantly of how your optics and sensors change across the sky as the scope/mount combination moves. 


What program do you use for plate solving your CCD images?  You will need a program that supports this feature and can interact with APPM or otherwise have a native astrometric solver such as Pinpoint installed (this is my option). There’s a tab in APPM where you set these parameters up.

What camera do you have mounted on your 16” RC? Do you know the pixel scale, rough image area and rotation angle? You will need to enter these in the relevant tab for APPM.  If your fov is narrow, you may want to use a star catalog with sufficient stars for your plate solves to be accurate enough so that your model is as exact as possible. Also if your sensor is large, you want to bin it at 2x2 at least and perhaps just use 1/2 or 1/4 of its area for the actual images and plate solves so that the whole modelling process doesn’t take too long. APPM will
allow you to test your plate solving settings with a sample image before you start modelling. 

Try first a small model (20 points or so) just to see everything works. And the acquiring and solving of
your images goes smoothly. 

Also, as a user of APCC, do you have your meridian AND horizon limits set and enabled? You want to make use of these to do the modelling taking advantage of CW up positions etc. APPM allows for these to be enabled (including safe slews). 


Read the APPM quick start guide though. It’s a subsection of the APCC application and not too long. 

In my case, with a permanent setup, I ended doing a 130 point model and was immediately able to image unguided at 1300mm (peanuts for your RC!) getting nice round stars. Both for an 1100 and 1600GTO. 

Good luck!

Roberto


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Re: Mach2 - Elongated stars

Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri
 

I would fix the collimation issue.  I had a similar issue with elongated stars on my Edge11 and once I got the collimation fully corrected the elongation problem went away.

 

Mikey

 

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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:23 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 - Elongated stars

 

Bill,

 

I did not get a chance to take all the pictures you requested.

This was the one I took a while back. 

You can tell that there is some collimation issue. I am not particularly concerned about it now - I know for larger sensor I need to shim it. My concern is that stars seem top-down elongated throughout the image, I think it might be due to fan vibration of STX16803 which I am currently digging into.

 

Yanzhe

 

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:17 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:

That doesnt change what I asked about before. :P 

 


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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 8:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 - Elongated stars

 

Yes, I use Nitecrawler.

 

Yanzhe

 

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 1:21 AM Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...> wrote:

I see there is a 16803on fsq.

Have you changed the focused?

I asked because I tried in the past and the original focuser flexed a lot under that load. At that time I had to give back the fsq. I have later learned that I needed a flu atlas to manage a 16803 even on a Tec with 3.5 inch quality focuser. 


Re: Mach2 - Elongated stars

Bill Long
 

SBIG cameras have had some vibration problems. Could be the root of the issue at hand. Not likely the Mach 2 though. 


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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 10:23 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 - Elongated stars
 
Bill,

I did not get a chance to take all the pictures you requested.
This was the one I took a while back. 
You can tell that there is some collimation issue. I am not particularly concerned about it now - I know for larger sensor I need to shim it. My concern is that stars seem top-down elongated throughout the image, I think it might be due to fan vibration of STX16803 which I am currently digging into.

Yanzhe

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:17 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
That doesnt change what I asked about before. :P 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of yanzhe liu <liuyanzhe@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 8:59 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 - Elongated stars
 
Yes, I use Nitecrawler.

Yanzhe

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 1:21 AM Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...> wrote:
I see there is a 16803on fsq.
Have you changed the focused?
I asked because I tried in the past and the original focuser flexed a lot under that load. At that time I had to give back the fsq. I have later learned that I needed a flu atlas to manage a 16803 even on a Tec with 3.5 inch quality focuser. 


Re: Mach2 - Elongated stars

yanzhe liu
 

Bill,

I did not get a chance to take all the pictures you requested.
This was the one I took a while back. 
You can tell that there is some collimation issue. I am not particularly concerned about it now - I know for larger sensor I need to shim it. My concern is that stars seem top-down elongated throughout the image, I think it might be due to fan vibration of STX16803 which I am currently digging into.

Yanzhe

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:17 PM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
That doesnt change what I asked about before. :P 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of yanzhe liu <liuyanzhe@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 8:59 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 - Elongated stars
 
Yes, I use Nitecrawler.

Yanzhe

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 1:21 AM Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...> wrote:
I see there is a 16803on fsq.
Have you changed the focused?
I asked because I tried in the past and the original focuser flexed a lot under that load. At that time I had to give back the fsq. I have later learned that I needed a flu atlas to manage a 16803 even on a Tec with 3.5 inch quality focuser. 


Re: Mach2 - Elongated stars

Bill Long
 

That doesnt change what I asked about before. :P 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of yanzhe liu <liuyanzhe@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 8:59 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 - Elongated stars
 
Yes, I use Nitecrawler.

Yanzhe

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 1:21 AM Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...> wrote:
I see there is a 16803on fsq.
Have you changed the focused?
I asked because I tried in the past and the original focuser flexed a lot under that load. At that time I had to give back the fsq. I have later learned that I needed a flu atlas to manage a 16803 even on a Tec with 3.5 inch quality focuser. 


Re: Mach2 - Elongated stars

yanzhe liu
 

Yes, I use Nitecrawler.

Yanzhe


On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 1:21 AM Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...> wrote:
I see there is a 16803on fsq.
Have you changed the focused?
I asked because I tried in the past and the original focuser flexed a lot under that load. At that time I had to give back the fsq. I have later learned that I needed a flu atlas to manage a 16803 even on a Tec with 3.5 inch quality focuser. 


Re: Data base corruption

Bill Long
 

Probably use mentioning for people if you have the old keypad (pre-V5) membrane and you buy a Mach 2 -- can kill two birds with one stone and send it into AP for the new membrane and new battery. I did and they had it back to me pretty fast and works great!

This is also useful once V5 is released for CP4.


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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 7:45 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Data base corruption
 
You can easily identify which battery you have when you open up the keypad and compare it to the pictures of the multiple versions shown on the AP website.  Just be careful and do it slowly.

But George is sooo pleasant to talk with and he's very patient too, talking you through the steps.  He'll also talk you through reloading the database.  Great guy!

Jeff

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:09 PM Jack Huerkamp <Mallincamusa@...> wrote:

Send them the serial number off of your keypad and they will let you know what battery you need.  George at AP emailed me the battery number, I called last week and placed the order.  It was shipped Friday and I will get it this week.  Very great customer service.

 

 

Jack Huerkamp

Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC

38388 Pine Street

Pearl River, LA 70452-5192

985-445-5063

mallincamusa@...

www.mallincamusa.com

30.37N  89.76W

 

All of us get lost in the darkness.
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars.

………………………………….Neil Peart

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 8:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Data base corruption

 

Thanks for feedback, did some more reading and think the very cold weather depleted the battery, and I need a replacement. I understand I can only get this from astrophysics per manual, but do not see the item on the website. I have an inquiry with AP at moment.


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Re: Data base corruption

Jeff B
 

You can easily identify which battery you have when you open up the keypad and compare it to the pictures of the multiple versions shown on the AP website.  Just be careful and do it slowly.

But George is sooo pleasant to talk with and he's very patient too, talking you through the steps.  He'll also talk you through reloading the database.  Great guy!

Jeff

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:09 PM Jack Huerkamp <Mallincamusa@...> wrote:

Send them the serial number off of your keypad and they will let you know what battery you need.  George at AP emailed me the battery number, I called last week and placed the order.  It was shipped Friday and I will get it this week.  Very great customer service.

 

 

Jack Huerkamp

Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC

38388 Pine Street

Pearl River, LA 70452-5192

985-445-5063

mallincamusa@...

www.mallincamusa.com

30.37N  89.76W

 

All of us get lost in the darkness.
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars.

………………………………….Neil Peart

 

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of paulsimonjones
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 8:17 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Data base corruption

 

Thanks for feedback, did some more reading and think the very cold weather depleted the battery, and I need a replacement. I understand I can only get this from astrophysics per manual, but do not see the item on the website. I have an inquiry with AP at moment.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Data base corruption

Jack Huerkamp
 

Send them the serial number off of your keypad and they will let you know what battery you need.  George at AP emailed me the battery number, I called last week and placed the order.  It was shipped Friday and I will get it this week.  Very great customer service.

 

 

Jack Huerkamp

Jack's Astro Accessories, LLC

38388 Pine Street

Pearl River, LA 70452-5192

985-445-5063

mallincamusa@...

www.mallincamusa.com

30.37N  89.76W

 

All of us get lost in the darkness.
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars.

………………………………….Neil Peart

 

 

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of paulsimonjones
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 8:17 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Data base corruption

 

Thanks for feedback, did some more reading and think the very cold weather depleted the battery, and I need a replacement. I understand I can only get this from astrophysics per manual, but do not see the item on the website. I have an inquiry with AP at moment.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Data base corruption

paulsimonjones
 

Thanks for feedback, did some more reading and think the very cold weather depleted the battery, and I need a replacement. I understand I can only get this from astrophysics per manual, but do not see the item on the website. I have an inquiry with AP at moment.


Re: Quick Easy Question About Manual Meridian Flip In APCC Pro #APCC

Bill Long
 

There is a flip mount button on the main screen.




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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 2:40 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] Quick Easy Question About Manual Meridian Flip In APCC Pro #APCC
 
Aloha All,

  The last couple nights out with the Mach 2 has been going very nicely.  I have both the laptop (with APCC Pro) and the keypad (set to EXT) out with me.
Seems like I always end up choosing an object that's about 1 or 2 hours East of the Meridian.  In the past, I manually flip the mount early (via the keypad),
and then just let everything track West thru the meridian (without having to worry about the meridian/mount flip later).  I usually just stick to one target and
don't do any other subsequent GoTos...  I didn't flip it last night (as I was trying out NINA and plate solving for the first time and forgot the flip [plus I'm using a
C8 Edge at F/7 and didn't want to refocus]).

  Anyway, I was wondering if there was a way to force an early mount flip in APCC??  The only way that I know how to do this would be to manually move the meridian East
one or two hours (using a positive value [I think]).  That's probably one way to do it,..   But, was curious if there was another way flip it early?  I haven't done the filp
in apcc,yet, so was just wanting to check first.  No big deal either way and thanks for all your help!! 

  John


Quick Easy Question About Manual Meridian Flip In APCC Pro #APCC

John
 

Aloha All,

  The last couple nights out with the Mach 2 has been going very nicely.  I have both the laptop (with APCC Pro) and the keypad (set to EXT) out with me.
Seems like I always end up choosing an object that's about 1 or 2 hours East of the Meridian.  In the past, I manually flip the mount early (via the keypad),
and then just let everything track West thru the meridian (without having to worry about the meridian/mount flip later).  I usually just stick to one target and
don't do any other subsequent GoTos...  I didn't flip it last night (as I was trying out NINA and plate solving for the first time and forgot the flip [plus I'm using a
C8 Edge at F/7 and didn't want to refocus]).

  Anyway, I was wondering if there was a way to force an early mount flip in APCC??  The only way that I know how to do this would be to manually move the meridian East
one or two hours (using a positive value [I think]).  That's probably one way to do it,..   But, was curious if there was another way flip it early?  I haven't done the filp
in apcc,yet, so was just wanting to check first.  No big deal either way and thanks for all your help!! 

  John


Re: Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?

Bill Long
 

Their website says the device has ASCOM drivers so I assume it does.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?
 
Thanks! I don’t have it yet, I’ll see if anyone else can report first-hand knowledge. 

Wayne


On Mar 28, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:


If it has an Observing Conditions driver you can install that and configure APCC to use it.


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?
 
It does have an ASCOM driver, reads temperature, pressure and humidity. Not sure if that qualifies? I’ll check with Primaluce.


Re: FTDI USB-to-Single Port Serial Adapter

vsalfranc@...
 

Thank you all for your advise, it is really appreciated.
I will try to download the new driver from FTDI and see if that sorts the problem out.
Once again thank you for taking the time to reply.
vince


Re: Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?

Wayne Hixson
 

Thanks! I don’t have it yet, I’ll see if anyone else can report first-hand knowledge. 

Wayne


On Mar 28, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:


If it has an Observing Conditions driver you can install that and configure APCC to use it.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?
 
It does have an ASCOM driver, reads temperature, pressure and humidity. Not sure if that qualifies? I’ll check with Primaluce.


Re: Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?

Bill Long
 

If it has an Observing Conditions driver you can install that and configure APCC to use it.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?
 
It does have an ASCOM driver, reads temperature, pressure and humidity. Not sure if that qualifies? I’ll check with Primaluce.


Re: Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?

Wayne Hixson
 

It does have an ASCOM driver, reads temperature, pressure and humidity. Not sure if that qualifies? I’ll check with Primaluce.


Re: Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?

Bill Long
 


Does it have an ASCOM Observing Conditions driver?



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Wayne Hixson via groups.io <wayneh9026@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 11:56 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?
 

Ray, any chance we could add the ECCO 2 as environmental sensor for modeling? The MgBoxV2 I have is unreliable. 


wayne 


Adding Primaluce Labs ECCO2 for Environmental sensor?

Wayne Hixson
 

Ray, any chance we could add the ECCO 2 as environmental sensor for modeling? The MgBoxV2 I have is unreliable. 


wayne 

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