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Re: [ap-ug] Mach2 shipments with low temp encoders

crandrist@...
 

Hello Karen, 

I am expecting delivery this month on a standard encoder model and haven't received an email regarding a delay, so hopefully I'm safe.ūü§ě

All the best,

Chad Andrist 


Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

 

Ron i appreciate your enthusiasm, but alpha software that evolves every week is not what works for me

I have a very remote obs and it needs to be 100% reliable (or as close to it as i can). 

I don't really have time or inclination to work with alpha software that is changing constantly, and presumably having bugs fixed

So i would say stability is a feature that is currently lacking in NINA alpha releases


Brian



On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:20 AM Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@...> wrote:
If you have not tried the current alpha #36 then you have not tired it.  It improves greatly each week.  The new sequencer with LIVE editing, while it's running and drag and drop interface, is 2nd to none.
SGP is linear - you must do things SGPS way... NINA is completely free form. do what you want when ever you want.  Sequence is running and you can to jump to another target - make a couple quick easy changes while the sequence is running and target changed... edit exposure or gain during the sequence. Add or change the filter or add 1-2 more targets while it's running the current sequence. No problem. 
If you are still with SGP - there is no way you have tried the current NINA nightly version.   This would be an impossibility. 
Over 1000 members in the NINA FB group since I started it and most are coming from SGP. As to support...   

I suggested custom horizons?   2 months later - they were provided. 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:22 AM Ron Kramer via groups.io <ronkramer1957=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I shall wait for the new release!



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Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

 

>>>  (with allowances for apps that do things such as set your printer on fire. That would clearly be an objectively negative assessment).

this is exactly why i have avoided adding a printer to my telescope setup - can't take that chance ;)

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:27 AM Dale Ghent <daleg@...> wrote:
I'm sure the NINA team appreciates the shout-out but I think app proselytizing is for a different venue. If SGPro works for Brian and his needs don't go beyond its capabilities, then there's no fault at all in sticking with that. The merits and demerits of any app are largely subjective (with allowances for apps that do things such as set your printer on fire. That would clearly be an objectively negative assessment).


> On Jan 15, 2021, at 10:20, Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@...> wrote:
>
> If you have not tried the current alpha #36 then you have not tired it.  It improves greatly each week.  The new sequencer with LIVE editing, while it's running and drag and drop interface, is 2nd to none.
> SGP is linear - you must do things SGPS way... NINA is completely free form. do what you want when ever you want.  Sequence is running and you can to jump to another target - make a couple quick easy changes while the sequence is running and target changed... edit exposure or gain during the sequence. Add or change the filter or add 1-2 more targets while it's running the current sequence. No problem.
> If you are still with SGP - there is no way you have tried the current NINA nightly version.   This would be an impossibility.
> Over 1000 members in the NINA FB group since I started it and most are coming from SGP. As to support...   
>
> I suggested custom horizons?   2 months later - they were provided.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:22 AM Ron Kramer via groups.io <ronkramer1957=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
> I shall wait for the new release!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ron Kramer
> https://www.facebook.com/Ron.R.Kramer
>








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Brian Valente


Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

Dale Ghent
 

I'm sure the NINA team appreciates the shout-out but I think app proselytizing is for a different venue. If SGPro works for Brian and his needs don't go beyond its capabilities, then there's no fault at all in sticking with that. The merits and demerits of any app are largely subjective (with allowances for apps that do things such as set your printer on fire. That would clearly be an objectively negative assessment).

On Jan 15, 2021, at 10:20, Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@gmail.com> wrote:

If you have not tried the current alpha #36 then you have not tired it. It improves greatly each week. The new sequencer with LIVE editing, while it's running and drag and drop interface, is 2nd to none.
SGP is linear - you must do things SGPS way... NINA is completely free form. do what you want when ever you want. Sequence is running and you can to jump to another target - make a couple quick easy changes while the sequence is running and target changed... edit exposure or gain during the sequence. Add or change the filter or add 1-2 more targets while it's running the current sequence. No problem.
If you are still with SGP - there is no way you have tried the current NINA nightly version. This would be an impossibility.
Over 1000 members in the NINA FB group since I started it and most are coming from SGP. As to support...

I suggested custom horizons? 2 months later - they were provided.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:22 AM Ron Kramer via groups.io <ronkramer1957=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I shall wait for the new release!




--
Ron Kramer
https://www.facebook.com/Ron.R.Kramer


Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

Ron Kramer
 

If you have not tried the current alpha #36 then you have not tired it.  It improves greatly each week.  The new sequencer with LIVE editing, while it's running and drag and drop interface, is 2nd to none.
SGP is linear - you must do things SGPS way... NINA is completely free form. do what you want when ever you want.  Sequence is running and you can to jump to another target - make a couple quick easy changes while the sequence is running and target changed... edit exposure or gain during the sequence. Add or change the filter or add 1-2 more targets while it's running the current sequence. No problem. 
If you are still with SGP - there is no way you have tried the current NINA nightly version.   This would be an impossibility. 
Over 1000 members in the NINA FB group since I started it and most are coming from SGP. As to support...   

I suggested custom horizons?   2 months later - they were provided. 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:22 AM Ron Kramer via groups.io <ronkramer1957=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I shall wait for the new release!




Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

Ron Kramer
 

I shall wait for the new release!


Re: Adapter for 8‚ÄĚ portable pier to Match 2 #Mach2GTO

Tim Morrill
 

Ah, thanks!


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

@130FeetDeep
 

I just wanted to circle around on this topic. SkySafari 6 Pro released an App update today (1/14) noting ‚ÄúFixes For Astro-Physics Mount Control‚ÄĚ. I won‚Äôt be home to test my mount for a few days, but I wonder if this is the update we were hoping for our Mach 2?¬†


Re: Adapter for 8‚ÄĚ portable pier to Match 2 #Mach2GTO

KHursh
 

If it already has the flat plate adapter (119FSA) on it, just get the ADATRI and bolt it on. The Mach2 bolts to that


Adapter for 8‚ÄĚ portable pier to Match 2 #Mach2GTO

Tim Morrill
 

Hello recently sold my 1100 and kept the 8‚ÄĚ portable pier.
But I’m  wanting to use it for my Mach2. Was looking for a adapter but couldn’t find one on your website. Am I missing it, or is this not possible?

Thanks 
Tim


Re: Through the mount USB3.0 on Mach2 trouble unrelated to temp

Don Anderson
 

On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 01:14:05 p.m. MST, deonb <deonb@...> wrote:


Just want to add another option that may or may not work for some people:

I'm using a fiber optic USB A-male to USB A-male cable from NUC -> Through-Mount -> Ultimate Powerbox 2 (5m length). No other connections or amplifiers, just the cable.

This one specifically.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZPF3KDT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You need devices on both sides that can power the laser diodes, so it can't run to something like an unpowered hub. However, it seems to be fine running to the USB-B port of an Ultimate Powerbox.

On the NUC side only one of the USB ports had enough power to power the lasers, so it was a bit trial-and-error to get to work at first. But once it started working, it's been solid since (a few weeks, for whatever that is worth).

It's a pretty rigid cable. I'd recommend it for observatories but not portable use.


Re: Through the mount USB3.0 on Mach2 trouble unrelated to temp

Don Anderson
 

Interesting product! I currently use a 65' active usb2 extension cable to connect the Pegasus USB3 hub on my mount to my computer inside my house. Works flawlessly in the summer and fall. I like the lower temp spec (0 C) on the Cosemi fiber optic cable.
Thanks for the tip!

Don Anderson


On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 01:14:05 p.m. MST, deonb <deonb@...> wrote:


Just want to add another option that may or may not work for some people:

I'm using a fiber optic USB A-male to USB A-male cable from NUC -> Through-Mount -> Ultimate Powerbox 2 (5m length). No other connections or amplifiers, just the cable.

This one specifically.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZPF3KDT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You need devices on both sides that can power the laser diodes, so it can't run to something like an unpowered hub. However, it seems to be fine running to the USB-B port of an Ultimate Powerbox.

On the NUC side only one of the USB ports had enough power to power the lasers, so it was a bit trial-and-error to get to work at first. But once it started working, it's been solid since (a few weeks, for whatever that is worth).

It's a pretty rigid cable. I'd recommend it for observatories but not portable use.


Re: Through the mount USB3.0 on Mach2 trouble unrelated to temp

Don Anderson
 

Michael
Hopefully you get your usb communication problem solved. I think you will like the features of the Pegasus hub. Besides the cold temp capability, I like the ability to turn ports on and off with the app. Handy for me with my Starlight Xpress filter wheel that sometimes loses communication with the computer and needs to be rebooted.
Regards and good luck

Don Anderson


On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 12:35:20 p.m. MST, Micheal Fields Jr via groups.io <mpfjr@...> wrote:


That is a nice short repeater/booster for sure. My issue with it is that it has a female connection and so does the mount.  So I would have to add yet another connection between.  Also it seems to be bus powered.  This "booster" can't create energy out of nowhere.  My computer is right next to the female USB3 slot in the bottom of the mount and I am using a 1 foot USB 3.0 cable.   If the signal and voltage drops that much along a 1 foot cable that I would need a repeater at the end of it, I am not sure what I am even doing.

I have a total of 48 inches from the port on the PC to the 12v powered hub.  I have 24 inches after the hub to the camera.  I have ordered new cables and the Pegasus usb hub.  I'll know more in a week.



On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 08:39 AM, Allen Ruckle wrote:
Michael,
        I had problems with USB3 due to the length of the cable needed,  I purchased a 15' USB 3.0 active cable and it greatly improved things it did not eliminate every issue.  In searching for a product to solve USB cable length issues, I found a product that is specifically designed to improve USB 3 signal, and to stabilize the power .  It is basically the active element of a USB 3.0 Active cable that is about a foot long.
 you install it between your computer connection and USB 3 cable to the mount.  It is designed for problems with Tethered cameras.

  The product is named TetherBoost Pro USB 3.0   core controller.  here is the description from the manufacturer.  The TetherBoost Pro USB 3.0 Core Controller alleviates a common problem amongst USB 3.0 camera and digital back users who are experiencing dropped tethering connections or are unable to get a tethered connection started at all.

   
https://tethertools.com/product/tetherboost-pro-core-controller/

aruckle


Re: Through the mount USB3.0 on Mach2 trouble unrelated to temp

deonb
 

Just want to add another option that may or may not work for some people:

I'm using a fiber optic USB A-male to USB A-male cable from NUC -> Through-Mount -> Ultimate Powerbox 2 (5m length). No other connections or amplifiers, just the cable.

This one specifically.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZPF3KDT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You need devices on both sides that can power the laser diodes, so it can't run to something like an unpowered hub. However, it seems to be fine running to the USB-B port of an Ultimate Powerbox.

On the NUC side only one of the USB ports had enough power to power the lasers, so it was a bit trial-and-error to get to work at first. But once it started working, it's been solid since (a few weeks, for whatever that is worth).

It's a pretty rigid cable. I'd recommend it for observatories but not portable use.


Re: Through the mount USB3.0 on Mach2 trouble unrelated to temp

Allen Ruckle
 

Michael,
    The TetherBoost Pro  USB 3.0 device has a 5v DC input port,   It can be used as powered by the computer USB 3.0 port as well with external power.   

Do you use a laptop, desktop, or NUK type computer connected to your mount?


Re: Through the mount USB3.0 on Mach2 trouble unrelated to temp

Micheal Fields Jr
 
Edited

That is a nice short repeater/booster for sure. My issue with it is that it has a female connection and so does the mount.  So I would have to add yet another connection between.  My computer is right next to the female USB3 slot in the bottom of the mount and I am using a 1 foot USB 3.0 cable.   If the signal and voltage drops that much along a 1 foot cable that I would need a repeater at the end of it, I am not sure what I am even doing.

I have a total of 48 inches from the port on the PC to the 12v powered hub. That includes the 18"? that is inside the mount.  I have 24 inches after the hub to the camera.  I have ordered new cables and the Pegasus usb hub.  I'll know more in a week.



On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 08:39 AM, Allen Ruckle wrote:
Michael,
        I had problems with USB3 due to the length of the cable needed,  I purchased a 15' USB 3.0 active cable and it greatly improved things it did not eliminate every issue.  In searching for a product to solve USB cable length issues, I found a product that is specifically designed to improve USB 3 signal, and to stabilize the power .  It is basically the active element of a USB 3.0 Active cable that is about a foot long.
 you install it between your computer connection and USB 3 cable to the mount.  It is designed for problems with Tethered cameras.

  The product is named TetherBoost Pro USB 3.0   core controller.  here is the description from the manufacturer.  The TetherBoost Pro USB 3.0 Core Controller alleviates a common problem amongst USB 3.0 camera and digital back users who are experiencing dropped tethering connections or are unable to get a tethered connection started at all.

   
https://tethertools.com/product/tetherboost-pro-core-controller/

aruckle


Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

Worsel
 

Ron

APPM is installed as part of APPC-Pro; hence, APPM version is the same as APPC-Pro.  The latest is 1.8.8.13.  I do not think you can install APPM separately.

Bryan


Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

deonb
 

Ray mentioned support in it for 1.9 in December, not 1.8.9
https://ap-gto.groups.io/g/main/message/74821

(Not that it matter much, just in case someone searches this thread in the future and confused about it when/if there is a 1.8.9)


Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

 

>>> To still be using SGP over NINA only means you've never given NINA a shot. 

i appreciated your comments until this part - you're wrong on this. 


I've tried NINA and used it for a while and i don't care for it. There are a lot of ways it works that i don't like. 

I'm not a fanboy of SGP, but for me it's definitely the best out there right now, and I have many other software apps i use: ACP, TSX, NINA, etc.

My software preference is always evolving, so i'm sure i will give it a try again in the future, along with voyager, 


Brian
 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:31 AM Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@...> wrote:

Price is moot. Like me the people switching had bought and paid for SGP.  I will say "SGP worked" for me for 2 years. I didn't like it. But it worked. I tried others that didn't work so well and I was driven back to SGP again and again.  Until I found NINA.  I have already donated more in payment than I paid for SGP.  And I will donate much more over time.  It is that good. 

While SGP may work.  It lacks the features and open-minded devs that NINA has.  Things as simple as a dark skin, or debayered sub preview are basics in NINA and were down right refused by SGP devs.  Now with the alpha release of the new Sequencer in NINA... it's all over.   I can tell NINA to wait for my target to pop up over my tree tops and shoot subs until it peeks behind my other treetops.   Or at 11pm slew to my next target and shoot it until nautical dawn or the target drops behind my tree line or house. (if it was ever in the way).

If you are satisfied with SGP because it works.  You're depriving yourself of greatness.  Though some may ride a bike vs a Ferrari to work - because well...  it also works. 

To still be using SGP over NINA only means you've never given NINA a shot. 



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Guiding on my plate again - NEED TO IMPROVE

Dale Ghent
 

Ray has already said that APPM will be able to use ASTAP directly in the upcoming 1.8.9 version. I have already said that NINA's SGPro API emulation is to the point where APPM can take images through NINA. Work is still ongoing but, in the end, APPM will be able to drive the a pointing model session using only these two apps when the 1.8.9 is released. I'm not aware of when this will be available, as that's Ray's and A-P's purview.

/dale

On Jan 14, 2021, at 12:31, Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@gmail.com> wrote:

Price is moot. Like me the people switching had bought and paid for SGP. I will say "SGP worked" for me for 2 years. I didn't like it. But it worked. I tried others that didn't work so well and I was driven back to SGP again and again. Until I found NINA. I have already donated more in payment than I paid for SGP. And I will donate much more over time. It is that good.

While SGP may work. It lacks the features and open-minded devs that NINA has. Things as simple as a dark skin, or debayered sub preview are basics in NINA and were down right refused by SGP devs. Now with the alpha release of the new Sequencer in NINA... it's all over. I can tell NINA to wait for my target to pop up over my tree tops and shoot subs until it peeks behind my other treetops. Or at 11pm slew to my next target and shoot it until nautical dawn or the target drops behind my tree line or house. (if it was ever in the way).

If you are satisfied with SGP because it works. You're depriving yourself of greatness. Though some may ride a bike vs a Ferrari to work - because well... it also works.

To still be using SGP over NINA only means you've never given NINA a shot.


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