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USB and cold weather

Micheal Fields Jr
 

I seem to have some errors when I have my stuff out in the cold.  This is california cold at 47F.  Every frame I downloaded had this weird mosaic tile puzzle look to it. Qhy says it is USB CrC errors.

Swapped cables and didn't have luck until I ran a 6 foot cable from my PC to the hub directly bypassing the Mach2 through the mount usb 3 cable.  But it wasn't 100% fixed.  Just a lot better.  Then I brought the whole thing in the house to set up and experiment and shoot video and it all started working again.  The only difference is that inside it is 70F.  I've heard of USB hubs and other electronics get angry when it is cold so I figure that must be it.  

I use the StarTech Industrial metal 12v powered 4 port hub.  I've used this hub for years without issue.  

If I bypass the mount and go direct, I don't have problems  But once I brought all this inside where it is warm, I can go through the mount with very little problems.  Maybe 2 bad frames out of 200.  This hub I have was over 100$ when I originally bought it.  Now it can be had for a steal at $80 on Amazon.  The cables were just whatever Amazon had that had good reviews.

All my cables are minimal length.    Please tell me what cables  you like and what hubs you like?

People from AP, any way for the end user to run my own cable through just in case it turns out to be a finicky cable?  I'd go ahead and upgrade to 3.1 or 3.2 Gen2 most likely.

See attached jpg showing what it looks like.   


APCC 1.9?

deonb
 

How far away is APPC 1.9 from being released? (With ASTAP Plate Solving support)?

No specifics needed, just like in: Weeks, months, quarters or years?

I'd like to run an APPM at some point, and just want to know if it's worth figuring out SGP, or if it will be obsolete the day after I do...


Re: APCC Pro version update

Greg McCall
 

Do you have a domain name and port I can try to access?
(I'm guessing I should be able to telnet to it from either computer)


Re: APCC Pro version update

Ray Gralak
 

I think we need to concentrate on Windows settings because this is almost certainly not an APCC issue since APCC is able to reach the server via your laptop.

Two more things to look into:

1. Do you have the Wifi LAN configured as private (as opposed to public)? If you choose "public" there will be extra network filtering. Here's how to change this:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/make-a-wi-fi-network-public-or-private-in-windows-10-0460117d-8d3e-a7ac-f003-7a0da607448d

2. I wonder if DNS translation is failing. Maybe you can check the IPV4 IP settings and specifically configure one or both DNS servers with your internet provider's DNS server(s).

Also, sometimes it helps to run troubleshooting on the LAN. This probably won't fix the issue, but it couldn't hurt if the other two options above don't help. Whatever this issue is, it is probably something pretty random.

Next step might be to load up an Ethernet network protocol analyzer, like WireShark.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg McCall
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

Hi Ray,
I'm running the latest windows 10 and any optional device drivers Microsoft sometimes lists in the update screen.
--- from my machine ---

Edition Windows 10 Pro
Version 20H2
Installed on ‎17/‎07/‎2020
OS build 19042.685
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.551.0
----------
I'm also running the latest NUC drivers (as checked from the Intel driver support assistant site)
I tried downloading the latest .Net 4.8 framework <https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet-
framework/net48> (https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet-framework/net48) but it would not install
claiming I already had the latest.

re ipconfig, windows reports 'Media disconnected' from each of the adapters except for the wifi adapter
I have only ever configured IPV4
I have no IPV6 configured so I suspect it's only listing the address

I then plugged in an ethernet cable directly from the router.
I changed the properties of both wifi and ethernet adapters by removing IPV6
I rebooted with ethernet plugged in so the machine would prefer that over wifi

ipconfig listed no IPV6 but APCC still does not get the latest version


---------- ipconfig results below ---------
Windows IP Configuration


Ethernet adapter Ethernet:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.15
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

Wireless LAN adapter Local Area Connection* 1:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Wireless LAN adapter WiFi:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Re: APCC Pro version update

Greg McCall
 

Hi Ray,
I'm running the latest windows 10 and any optional device drivers Microsoft sometimes lists in the update screen.
--- from my machine  ---
Edition Windows 10 Pro
Version 20H2
Installed on ‎17/‎07/‎2020
OS build 19042.685
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.551.0
----------
I'm also running the latest NUC drivers (as checked from the Intel driver support assistant site)
I tried downloading the latest .Net 4.8 framework (https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet-framework/net48) but it would not install claiming I already had the latest.

re ipconfig, windows reports 'Media disconnected' from each of the adapters except for the wifi adapter
I have only ever configured IPV4 
I have no IPV6 configured so I suspect it's only listing the address

I then plugged in an ethernet cable directly from the router.
I changed the properties of both wifi and ethernet adapters by removing IPV6
I rebooted with ethernet plugged in so the machine would prefer that over wifi

ipconfig listed no IPV6 but APCC still does not get the latest version

---------- ipconfig results below ---------
Windows IP Configuration
 
 
Ethernet adapter Ethernet:
 
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.15
   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
 
Wireless LAN adapter Local Area Connection* 1:
 
   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
 
Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:
 
   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
 
Wireless LAN adapter WiFi:
 
   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Re: APCC Pro version update

Cheng-Yang Tan
 

My workaround is to wait for Ray to announce updates here and then I update. Thanks Ray!

I'm really not a Windows person and even with a brand new laptop, it exhibited the same behavior. I didn't want to spend too much time hunting it down because to me, it's just an irritant that I can ignore.

cytan

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 03:29:05 PM CST, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:


Hi Greg,

> So, while I have no doubt that APCC is not getting out to check for versions, I don't know how to fix it.
> I noticed in the firewall settings, other astro programs have explicit lines in the application list allowing access
> through the firewall
> Even though the firewall is off, I tried adding apcc app into this table and checking the box to allow access.
> This also made no difference so I then removed the apcc entry I added.

As I pointed out before, turning the firewall off doesn't always solve the problem.  You could be running a Windows update that is blocking APCC, or maybe there is a bad device driver on your NUC.

You might also check to see how many LANs are on your NUC by typing "ipconfig" from a command prompt. Maybe the request is getting sent out the wrong network adapter (e.g. a Virtual LAN). If you are running IPV6 on your NUC, you may want to disable that.

I really can't think of anything else to try besides updating Window 10 to the latest build (20H2), applying all updates, and also downloading and installing the latest .Net 4.8 Framework (if you haven't already).

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg McCall
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update
>
> Hi Ray
> I tried both method 1 & 2 at that link with no success.
> re https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-unblock-an-application/d6e4a1a3-e94c-4f1f-
> 810b-f380266a7be4?page=1
> I had to reinterpret the method for win10
> Method 1)
> I typed in User Account Control in the windows search bar.
> Clicked on change user account control
> Slide bar down to Never Notify
> Method 2)
> The Everyone group already existed so I just clicked Full Control
>
> I rebooted
> This didn't fix the issue.
> I uninstalled APCC and reinstalled without changing any settings. Still not working.
> I then did method 3 in that link and it didn't fix the issue
>
> Method 3)
> I already had disabled the firewall
> I turned off the win10 virus protection
>
> So, while I have no doubt that APCC is not getting out to check for versions, I don't know how to fix it.
> I noticed in the firewall settings, other astro programs have explicit lines in the application list allowing access
> through the firewall
> Even though the firewall is off, I tried adding apcc app into this table and checking the box to allow access.
> This also made no difference so I then removed the apcc entry I added.
>
> regards
> Greg
>







Re: APCC Pro version update

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Greg,

So, while I have no doubt that APCC is not getting out to check for versions, I don't know how to fix it.
I noticed in the firewall settings, other astro programs have explicit lines in the application list allowing access
through the firewall
Even though the firewall is off, I tried adding apcc app into this table and checking the box to allow access.
This also made no difference so I then removed the apcc entry I added.
As I pointed out before, turning the firewall off doesn't always solve the problem. You could be running a Windows update that is blocking APCC, or maybe there is a bad device driver on your NUC.

You might also check to see how many LANs are on your NUC by typing "ipconfig" from a command prompt. Maybe the request is getting sent out the wrong network adapter (e.g. a Virtual LAN). If you are running IPV6 on your NUC, you may want to disable that.

I really can't think of anything else to try besides updating Window 10 to the latest build (20H2), applying all updates, and also downloading and installing the latest .Net 4.8 Framework (if you haven't already).

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg McCall
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

Hi Ray
I tried both method 1 & 2 at that link with no success.
re https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-unblock-an-application/d6e4a1a3-e94c-4f1f-
810b-f380266a7be4?page=1
I had to reinterpret the method for win10
Method 1)
I typed in User Account Control in the windows search bar.
Clicked on change user account control
Slide bar down to Never Notify
Method 2)
The Everyone group already existed so I just clicked Full Control

I rebooted
This didn't fix the issue.
I uninstalled APCC and reinstalled without changing any settings. Still not working.
I then did method 3 in that link and it didn't fix the issue

Method 3)
I already had disabled the firewall
I turned off the win10 virus protection

So, while I have no doubt that APCC is not getting out to check for versions, I don't know how to fix it.
I noticed in the firewall settings, other astro programs have explicit lines in the application list allowing access
through the firewall
Even though the firewall is off, I tried adding apcc app into this table and checking the box to allow access.
This also made no difference so I then removed the apcc entry I added.

regards
Greg


Re: APCC Pro version update

davidcfinch9
 

I assume you mean 1.8.8.13.
I clicked on the link in this email (on my main desktop), downloaded the .exe file, transferred the file to my laptop (which is where I use APPC Pro) and then ran the transferred file. Everything is working fine now. I did not have to make any anti-virus or firewall changes on either machine (both Windows 10).
David C. Finch

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Gralak
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:29 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?
In case you missed it, I posted the link to 1.8.9.13 yesterday in this thread.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf
Of davidcfinch9 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:58 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

I am still a little confused. I disabled virus protection and disable
the firewall on my Windows 10 computer, rebooted the computer,
downloaded the “latest” version of APCC Pro and the ASCOM drivers, and reinstalled everything. When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?

Regards,

David C. Finch



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Worsel via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update



Ray

Thanks! Reboot and re-install 1.8.8.13 worked without any error. I
thought I had closed APCC before, but quite possibly did not.

Bryan


Re: APCC Pro version update

Greg McCall
 

I should also mention that the clean install of version 1.8.8.13 on the MSI laptop that did work is on the same network which should eliminate router issues.
So both are using the same router which has been working fine for a few years.
(just for completeness, the router happens to be an ASUS RT-AC88U connected to an Australian NBN FTTB connection via an old Telstra modem that converts ethernet to VDSL2 - The ASUS router is running the latest firmware)


Re: APCC Pro version update

Greg McCall
 

Hi Ray
I tried both method 1 & 2 at that link with no success.
re https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-unblock-an-application/d6e4a1a3-e94c-4f1f-810b-f380266a7be4?page=1
I had to reinterpret the method for win10
Method 1)
I typed in User Account Control in the windows search bar.
Clicked on change user account control
Slide bar down to Never Notify
Method 2)
The Everyone group already existed so I just clicked Full Control

I rebooted
This didn't fix the issue. 
I uninstalled APCC and reinstalled without changing any settings. Still not working.
I then did method 3 in that link and it didn't fix the issue

Method 3)
I already had disabled the firewall
I turned off the win10 virus protection

So, while I have no doubt that APCC is not getting out to check for versions, I don't know how to fix it.
I noticed in the firewall settings, other astro programs have explicit lines in the application list allowing access through the firewall 
Even though the firewall is off, I tried adding apcc app into this table and checking the box to allow access.
This also made no difference so I then removed the apcc entry I added.

regards
Greg


Re: APCC Pro version update

Ray Gralak
 

I suspect this must be happening to a lot of people that don't even know it.
We thought we had the latest when we downloaded 1.8.8.9 as per latest instructions but find we had a fault and
also the web site pointed to old software.

So now I ask myself, do I (and others) keep trolling the web looking and trying stuff or do we just occasionally
check back somewhere on the web to see if an update exists and hope links are updated and we catch the latest
information.
So far, for everyone with this issue that I have checked with, the request is not getting to the server, so something is blocking the request on Windows or on the private LAN's router.

When you first install APCC you may get an internet access popup. If you don't allow APCC it won't be able to check for updates.

Here's a link that may help:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-unblock-an-application/d6e4a1a3-e94c-4f1f-810b-f380266a7be4

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg McCall
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:47 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 04:19 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:


You might want to make sure that you have updated Windows and any optional or required updates to the
.Net Framework.

Also, there have been issues reported in Windows concerning applications still being being blocked with
the firewall disabled. You may have to research to figure out why your specific computer is affected.

For example:

https://windowsreport.com/firewall-disabled-still-blocking/

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

I tried the procedure in the link and it still doesn't work. I still get a blank space in the latest version.
As an exercise, I loaded APCC on my second astro computer which was an MSI 15" laptop all with the latest
updates of apps and windows 10 (64bit).
This was a clean install of 1.8.8.13 and not an upgrade of 1.8.8.9 which I started with on the NUC and it worked
OK for the update check.
So, with the firewall still disabled on the NUC, I uninstalled APCC (ie. with the version 9 upgraded to now 13),
restarted the NUC and installed 1.8.8.13.
This made no difference to the fault. I also noted some files must have remained on the NUC as I did not have to
redo the license.

I suspect this must be happening to a lot of people that don't even know it.
We thought we had the latest when we downloaded 1.8.8.9 as per latest instructions but find we had a fault and
also the web site pointed to old software.

So now I ask myself, do I (and others) keep trolling the web looking and trying stuff or do we just occasionally
check back somewhere on the web to see if an update exists and hope links are updated and we catch the latest
information.

Greg


Re: APCC Pro version update

Greg McCall
 

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 04:19 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:
You might want to make sure that you have updated Windows and any optional or required updates to the .Net Framework.

Also, there have been issues reported in Windows concerning applications still being being blocked with the firewall disabled. You may have to research to figure out why your specific computer is affected.

For example:

https://windowsreport.com/firewall-disabled-still-blocking/

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
I tried the procedure in the link and it still doesn't work. I still get a blank space in the latest version.
As an exercise, I loaded APCC on my second astro computer which was an MSI 15" laptop all with the latest updates of apps and windows 10 (64bit).
This was a clean install of 1.8.8.13 and not an upgrade of 1.8.8.9 which I started with on the NUC and it worked OK for the update check.
So, with the firewall still disabled on the NUC, I uninstalled APCC (ie. with the version 9 upgraded to now 13), restarted the NUC and installed 1.8.8.13.
This made no difference to the fault. I also noted some files must have remained on the NUC as I did not have to redo the license.

I suspect this must be happening to a lot of people that don't even know it.
We thought we had the latest when we downloaded 1.8.8.9 as per latest instructions but find we had a fault and also the web site pointed to old software.

So now I ask myself, do I (and others) keep trolling the web looking and trying stuff or do we just occasionally check back somewhere on the web to see if an update exists and hope links are updated and we catch the latest information.

Greg


Re: APCC Pro version update

Steve Reilly
 

I'm in the group of no updates being reported but I also don't get anything for what the latest version is. Seems this started back some months ago when I 1st saw there was an update posted here but not showing up on my then version which I couldn't tell you what that was and was given a direct link. Hasn't worked for updates since. I simply just looked for announcements here and downloaded as they came but didn't see several as there are surprises now when I do see them and I'm several updates back.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Gralak
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:19 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

Hi David,

I am still a little confused. I disabled virus protection and disable
the firewall on my Windows 10 computer, rebooted the computer,
downloaded the “latest” version of APCC Pro and the ASCOM drivers, and reinstalled everything. When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?
You might want to make sure that you have updated Windows and any optional or required updates to the .Net Framework.

Also, there have been issues reported in Windows concerning applications still being blocked with the firewall disabled. You may have to research to figure out why your specific computer is affected.

For example:

https://windowsreport.com/firewall-disabled-still-blocking/

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf
Of davidcfinch9 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:58 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

I am still a little confused. I disabled virus protection and disable
the firewall on my Windows 10 computer, rebooted the computer,
downloaded the “latest” version of APCC Pro and the ASCOM drivers, and reinstalled everything. When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?

Regards,

David C. Finch



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Worsel via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update



Ray

Thanks! Reboot and re-install 1.8.8.13 worked without any error. I
thought I had closed APCC before, but quite possibly did not.

Bryan


Re: APCC Pro version update

 

I updated the website link to the new version.

Clear Skies,

Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Rd
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Gralak
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2021 11:29 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?
In case you missed it, I posted the link to 1.8.9.13 yesterday in this thread.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of davidcfinch9 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:58 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

I am still a little confused. I disabled virus protection and disable the firewall on my Windows 10 computer,
rebooted the computer, downloaded the “latest” version of APCC Pro and the ASCOM drivers, and reinstalled
everything. When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?

Regards,

David C. Finch



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Worsel via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update



Ray

Thanks! Reboot and re-install 1.8.8.13 worked without any error. I thought I had closed APCC before, but quite
possibly did not.

Bryan


Re: APCC Pro version update

Ray Gralak
 

When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?
In case you missed it, I posted the link to 1.8.9.13 yesterday in this thread.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of davidcfinch9 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:58 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

I am still a little confused. I disabled virus protection and disable the firewall on my Windows 10 computer,
rebooted the computer, downloaded the “latest” version of APCC Pro and the ASCOM drivers, and reinstalled
everything. When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?

Regards,

David C. Finch



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Worsel via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update



Ray

Thanks! Reboot and re-install 1.8.8.13 worked without any error. I thought I had closed APCC before, but quite
possibly did not.

Bryan


Re: APCC Pro version update

Ray Gralak
 

Hi David,

I am still a little confused. I disabled virus protection and disable the firewall on my Windows 10 computer,
rebooted the computer, downloaded the “latest” version of APCC Pro and the ASCOM drivers, and reinstalled
everything. When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?
You might want to make sure that you have updated Windows and any optional or required updates to the .Net Framework.

Also, there have been issues reported in Windows concerning applications still being being blocked with the firewall disabled. You may have to research to figure out why your specific computer is affected.

For example:

https://windowsreport.com/firewall-disabled-still-blocking/

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

I am still a little confused. I disabled virus protection and disable the firewall on my Windows 10 computer,
rebooted the computer, downloaded the “latest” version of APCC Pro and the ASCOM drivers, and reinstalled
everything. When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?

Regards,

David C. Finch



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Ray

Thanks! Reboot and re-install 1.8.8.13 worked without any error. I thought I had closed APCC before, but quite
possibly did not.

Bryan


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Michael,

Ray I got it resolved tonight. I did a full uninstall and removed all traces of ascom platform and the AP ascom
driver from the registry. Then I downloaded a fresh copy of each and did the re-install. After setting up APCC
again and learning I had to re-install literally all of my ascom stuff, I did a model with APPM and had success. I
am glad it was an easy fix. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I was aware of the ASCOM bug but
didn't think it would bite me.
Okay, excellent!

On the ASCOM help list, I have noticed some people have had issues with upgrading their ASCOM platform. Sometimes the upgrade fails. Occasionally old components won't get updated. It may be an issue with the installer builder that they use. I tried using that tool a while back to build installers, and there were some issues, so I stopped using it.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Mach2GTO #Polar_Alignment

Oh ok yeah I understand what you mean about model software.

Ray I got it resolved tonight. I did a full uninstall and removed all traces of ascom platform and the AP ascom
driver from the registry. Then I downloaded a fresh copy of each and did the re-install. After setting up APCC
again and learning I had to re-install literally all of my ascom stuff, I did a model with APPM and had success. I
am glad it was an easy fix. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I was aware of the ASCOM bug but
didn't think it would bite me.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 09:35 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:


Hi Michael,



Yes Ray, I am using APCC. Can I use something else to model? Your question seems to imply I
can? If so, can
you or someone else please explain that process? Or do you mean use the hand controller to
manually align?

There are a few choices in pointing models, like TPoint, MaxPoint, APCC Pro, and the new hand controller
firmware in conjunction with the Mach 2 firmware. Only APCC Pro and the hand controller firmware perform
tracking rate modeling, but the main issue you mentioned concerned pointing, so I wanted to be sure you were
talking about APCC.

Just to re-iterate, what described sounds like the ASCOM bug, but there is always a possibility it is
something else. If you want, you can either post or email your APPM log files and PNT files. It would be best to
zip them with APCC's "Log Zipper" utility that can be started from APCC's tools menu. If you choose to use email,
my email is at groups3 AT gralak dot com.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver




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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Mach2GTO
#Polar_Alignment

Yes Ray, I am using APCC. Can I use something else to model? Your question seems to imply I
can? If so, can
you or someone else please explain that process? Or do you mean use the hand controller to
manually align?

I am nearly 100% positive I have the latest ascom SP1. Not only do I keep it up to date but I also
did a "check for
updates" from the ascom folder and it reported no new updates available. What I can try is to
uninstall it clean
and do a fresh install. I keep a portable hard drive with all the latest revisions of all my drivers and
software but
when I am too lazy to find it I typically just do a re-download. I also captured some video of these
issues but it is
hours long and needs to be edited down to something worth a watch. Was up until 4am fighting with
this so the 4
hours of sleep I am on now means I may not get anything accomplished today.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 07:29 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:


Hi Michael,

Although you don't specifically mention APCC, I assume that is what you are using for a model?

If so, the behavior you are describing sounds like you may be running the ASCOM Platform 6.5 with
the
"Transform" bug. APPM and APCC use the ASCOM Transform class to convert plate-solved J2000
coordinates
to the current epoch. The severe bug in this version of ASCOM makes the Transform class un-
reusable, so all
follow-up J2000 transformations return the same RA,Dec coordinate pair as the first, and thus
results a bad
model.

I suggest you download and install ASCOM Platform 6.5 SP1 from the ASCOM web site.
Unfortunately
you will have to use APPM to collect data points again.

https://www.ascom-standards.org

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver




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Subject: [ap-gto] Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Mach2GTO
#Polar_Alignment

Used the QHY Polemax camera and software to dial in the polar alignment which seemed pretty
straight forward.
Should be right on the money.

Then I also happen to have the MGbox and that is connected providing temp, pressure, humidity
and GPS.

I am running a piece of software on my computer called Dimension4 which communicates with all
the atomic
clocks all over the world and gets extremely precise time. I have the software choose to update time
from PC as
"recommended".

So the polar alignment should be excellent, the time offset correction should be excellent, the gps
coordinates
excellent, the weather information pretty good.

Using SGP I did a focus run prior to doing the model.

Now some details that are going against me.
The telecope is an 11" EdgeHD. I am using two dovetail bars. Both Losmandy D type with radius
blocks. One on
top of the scope and one of course on the bottom. The bolts are very tight FYI.
I have the easy balance 16" saddle and it is also bolted very tightly to the mount. I double checked
all bolts.

Clutches are tight, the two side knobs on the mount for elevation clutch are both tight. The three
bolts from the
adapter pier plate are tight as are the bolts from that plate to the top of the tripod.

But it is an SCT. And I am focusing using the primary mirror which means it is not locked and does
move around
under its own weight.

The imaging train is light weight and is all threaded connections. Nothing moves.

So I start the model and it shows me results like RA delta is -2948.643 and the dec delta is -
1581.175 arc min.

When complete and I look at the "model" it shows things like 9599.37 arc-seconds East Model and
9548.46 arc-
seconds in West model. Polar axis elecation 143987.03 east and 139238.67 west. Index Error HA
230742.67
east and -225292.62 west.

What does that mean? Well I assume it means that what it wants to see and what it actually sees
are very
different.

I wonder if I am not checking the correct boxes.

Then when I am done I am seeing, based upon those high numbers, a very high number for the
polar alignment
error. But I know it is correctly aligned.

Then when I am all done with the bad model and I have tracking adjustments enabled and the
model enabled a 5
second image is all star trails.

So obviously everything is wrong as if it thinks the time is something it isn't or the GPS coordinates
are
something they are not or it is just plate solving the wrong position?

I tried it with SGP and both Platesolve2 and ASTAP. Both yield the same issue.

Now If I just do a regular T-Point run in TSX Pro with all model stuff disabled, it seems normal and
reasonable.
Since the mirror is unlocked because I focus using the primary mirror so I need to model any mirror
shift/flop, The
sky RMS pointing in TSX Pro after doing a 33 point run and crunching it with a "super model" is 16.6
PSD=19.15

So my "point" hehe is that TSX T-Point doesn't seem to have any issues with dramatic errors in
pointing.

So I am stumped. Why am I seeing such chaos?

If I am just throwing out a random guess that would make sense to me would be that it is not
reading/understanding the gps coordinates and elevation correctly so when it solves an image it is
drastically off
from where it thinks it should be. But with a GPS connected, the MGbox, and the time synced with
my PC, AND
absolute encoders, this should not ever happen.

Thoughts?




Re: APCC Pro version update

davidcfinch9
 

I am still a little confused. I disabled virus protection and disable the firewall on my Windows 10 computer, rebooted the computer, downloaded the “latest” version of APCC Pro and the ASCOM drivers, and reinstalled everything. When I open APCC Pro it shows version 1.8.8.9 dated 12/23/2020. Is this the latest version?

Regards,

David C. Finch

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

 

Ray

Thanks!  Reboot and re-install 1.8.8.13 worked without any error.  I thought I had closed APCC before, but quite possibly did not.

Bryan


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

 

>>>Just curious, how long does it take to polar align using SharpCap Pro with the PoleMaster camera versus the PoleMaster camera using its native software?    
Longer than polemaster software, shorter than sharpcap :)

one of the benefits for me of using the polemaster camera is it is a larger aperture so i can start PA earlier in the evening. 

Brian


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Peter Nagy
 

Another cool thing about SharpCap Pro is you can connect ASCOM mount driver to the mount so that the software knows where the mount is pointing to and I believe it estimates refraction where Polaris is. You have to manually enable this in SharpCap Pro.

Peter 

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