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Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Michael,

Yes Ray, I am using APCC. Can I use something else to model? Your question seems to imply I can? If so, can
you or someone else please explain that process? Or do you mean use the hand controller to manually align?
There are a few choices in pointing models, like TPoint, MaxPoint, APCC Pro, and the new hand controller firmware in conjunction with the Mach 2 firmware. Only APCC Pro and the hand controller firmware perform tracking rate modeling, but the main issue you mentioned concerned pointing, so I wanted to be sure you were talking about APCC.

Just to re-iterate, what described sounds like the ASCOM bug, but there is always a possibility it is something else. If you want, you can either post or email your APPM log files and PNT files. It would be best to zip them with APCC's "Log Zipper" utility that can be started from APCC's tools menu. If you choose to use email, my email is at groups3 AT gralak dot com.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Micheal Fields Jr via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Mach2GTO #Polar_Alignment

Yes Ray, I am using APCC. Can I use something else to model? Your question seems to imply I can? If so, can
you or someone else please explain that process? Or do you mean use the hand controller to manually align?

I am nearly 100% positive I have the latest ascom SP1. Not only do I keep it up to date but I also did a "check for
updates" from the ascom folder and it reported no new updates available. What I can try is to uninstall it clean
and do a fresh install. I keep a portable hard drive with all the latest revisions of all my drivers and software but
when I am too lazy to find it I typically just do a re-download. I also captured some video of these issues but it is
hours long and needs to be edited down to something worth a watch. Was up until 4am fighting with this so the 4
hours of sleep I am on now means I may not get anything accomplished today.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 07:29 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:


Hi Michael,

Although you don't specifically mention APCC, I assume that is what you are using for a model?

If so, the behavior you are describing sounds like you may be running the ASCOM Platform 6.5 with the
"Transform" bug. APPM and APCC use the ASCOM Transform class to convert plate-solved J2000 coordinates
to the current epoch. The severe bug in this version of ASCOM makes the Transform class un-reusable, so all
follow-up J2000 transformations return the same RA,Dec coordinate pair as the first, and thus results a bad
model.

I suggest you download and install ASCOM Platform 6.5 SP1 from the ASCOM web site. Unfortunately
you will have to use APPM to collect data points again.

https://www.ascom-standards.org

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver




-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Micheal Fields Jr via
groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:15 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Mach2GTO
#Polar_Alignment

Used the QHY Polemax camera and software to dial in the polar alignment which seemed pretty
straight forward.
Should be right on the money.

Then I also happen to have the MGbox and that is connected providing temp, pressure, humidity
and GPS.

I am running a piece of software on my computer called Dimension4 which communicates with all
the atomic
clocks all over the world and gets extremely precise time. I have the software choose to update time
from PC as
"recommended".

So the polar alignment should be excellent, the time offset correction should be excellent, the gps
coordinates
excellent, the weather information pretty good.

Using SGP I did a focus run prior to doing the model.

Now some details that are going against me.
The telecope is an 11" EdgeHD. I am using two dovetail bars. Both Losmandy D type with radius
blocks. One on
top of the scope and one of course on the bottom. The bolts are very tight FYI.
I have the easy balance 16" saddle and it is also bolted very tightly to the mount. I double checked
all bolts.

Clutches are tight, the two side knobs on the mount for elevation clutch are both tight. The three
bolts from the
adapter pier plate are tight as are the bolts from that plate to the top of the tripod.

But it is an SCT. And I am focusing using the primary mirror which means it is not locked and does
move around
under its own weight.

The imaging train is light weight and is all threaded connections. Nothing moves.

So I start the model and it shows me results like RA delta is -2948.643 and the dec delta is -
1581.175 arc min.

When complete and I look at the "model" it shows things like 9599.37 arc-seconds East Model and
9548.46 arc-
seconds in West model. Polar axis elecation 143987.03 east and 139238.67 west. Index Error HA
230742.67
east and -225292.62 west.

What does that mean? Well I assume it means that what it wants to see and what it actually sees
are very
different.

I wonder if I am not checking the correct boxes.

Then when I am done I am seeing, based upon those high numbers, a very high number for the
polar alignment
error. But I know it is correctly aligned.

Then when I am all done with the bad model and I have tracking adjustments enabled and the
model enabled a 5
second image is all star trails.

So obviously everything is wrong as if it thinks the time is something it isn't or the GPS coordinates
are
something they are not or it is just plate solving the wrong position?

I tried it with SGP and both Platesolve2 and ASTAP. Both yield the same issue.

Now If I just do a regular T-Point run in TSX Pro with all model stuff disabled, it seems normal and
reasonable.
Since the mirror is unlocked because I focus using the primary mirror so I need to model any mirror
shift/flop, The
sky RMS pointing in TSX Pro after doing a 33 point run and crunching it with a "super model" is 16.6
PSD=19.15

So my "point" hehe is that TSX T-Point doesn't seem to have any issues with dramatic errors in
pointing.

So I am stumped. Why am I seeing such chaos?

If I am just throwing out a random guess that would make sense to me would be that it is not
reading/understanding the gps coordinates and elevation correctly so when it solves an image it is
drastically off
from where it thinks it should be. But with a GPS connected, the MGbox, and the time synced with
my PC, AND
absolute encoders, this should not ever happen.

Thoughts?


Re: APCC Pro version update

Worsel
 

Ray

I get the same window as Sam, even after turning off Norton. I do not use MS security.  After installing, 1.8.8.13 seems to work, but I did get the attached screenshot error.


Bryan


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Micheal Fields Jr
 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 06:54 AM, Peter Nagy wrote:
SharpCap Pro works very well with PoleMaster (not PoleMax??).

Peter 
Yah I goofed.  I mean PoleMaster from QHY.  I just bought it from OPT and it was delivered yesterday in time for me to use it to align last night.  Worked pretty good.


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Micheal Fields Jr
 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 06:28 AM, Peter Bresler wrote:
I had a HD1100 which I unloaded because of limited back focus. My first advice would be to use a guide scope and Sharpcap Pro to polar align the mount. Polemax is a waste of money. My polar alignment on my 1200 is right on, and easily checked and corrected. You can use an OAG on the HD1100 without either a focuser OR an EFW. SGP will give highly accurate gotos and centering. Be sure the scale settings and pixel settings for the camera you are using are correct.
Back focus issues are an issue for sure.  That is why I am focusing with the primary mirror.   Seems to be fine in that respect.  I have zero interest in getting a guide scope simply to do a polar align. That is why I bought PoleMaster.  Polemax I actually don't know what that is but I was super tired last night(see my post time) and wasn't thinking clearly enough to remember the correct name.  PoleMaster is pretty straight forward and works a lot like Sharpcap.  In fact I think I might be able to use SharpCap with the PoleMaster camera?  Not sure but that would be fun to try.  Regardless  there will be some error because the PoleMaster is connected to the RA axis of the mount at the pivot point and the telescope will naturally have, unless shimmed, some orthogonality errors.  A pointing model will detect those.   And yes, pixel scale and all that is correct.  I did  a plate solve and entered in the pixel scale and position angle of the camera both in SGP and in TSX.


Re: APCC Pro version update

Sam Saeed
 

Hello Ray,

Thank you for the tip. It's Windows Firewall (I don't use anything else on this computer).

I turned the firewall off, checked for updates and it's working. Turned the firewall back on and rebooted computer and it is still working.

Thanks again.

Sam Saeed




On 1/7/21, 8:48 AM, "Ray Gralak" <main@ap-gto.groups.io on behalf of groups3@gralak.com> wrote:

Hi Sam,

Some people have reported the same behavior. There is nothing I can find wrong with the update checking, so it is likely that Windows firewall or your Anti-Virus program may be blocking the update check.

The latest versions are:

APCC Pro 1.8.8.13:

http://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Pro_Setup_1.8.8.13.exe

APCC Standard 1.8.8.0

http://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Standard_Setup_1.8.8.0.exe

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Saeed via groups.io
> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 8:37 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update
>
> Hello,
>
> 1- For the last few months, my APCC pro no longer checks nor able to detect updates. Please see attached
> screen shot.
>
> 2- I have been downloading updates manually from AP website. However, the version posted there is never the
> same as everyone else in the group is talking about. For example the current one is 1.8.8.11 but AP software
> update is offering v1.8.8.9
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sam Saeed
> https://www.decanstars.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Micheal Fields Jr
 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 06:27 AM, Seb@stro wrote:
Hello Michael,

Have you checked that the time zones and DST settings are correct (i.e. all the same or all set to UTC) in your PC clock, softwares, mount/keypad ?

I have the software choose to update time from PC as "recommended".
I personally don’t use SGP, SkyX, MGBox nor APPC (yet) so can’t really help specifically about those but my general recommendation regarding time settings of whatever systems would be to use only ONE source be it a NTP server (internet), gps, precision oscillator (local clock), etc. for all the components that need to interact together. Because two time sources (no matter how accurate they are) will always have some drift to one another to some degree.

So assuming your time settings are harmonized (TZ, DST or UTC) maybe try setting only the internet time source for everything (if that’s possible) so you can rule-out that possibility.

Might seems obvious but if you haven’t already also make sure that the gps is correctly reporting time to your softwares to rule out any communication or configuration (message format) issue and assess it has acquired enough satellites of sufficient signal strength for the duration of the modelling run.

Hope that helps.

Clear skies!
Sébastien
Yes, this is what I was thinking.  If the GPS or Time is very far off that would explain it.  The solve point and the assumed point would be dramatically different and result in a big error.  But unless I am simply overlooking something obvious, I don't see evidence of that.  I will for sure double check.


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

 

When I ran into a similar issue on our ap1600 i found my location and date/time data was incorrect. 


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:15 AM Micheal Fields Jr via groups.io <mpfjr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 06:54 AM, Peter Nagy wrote:
SharpCap Pro works very well with PoleMaster (not PoleMax??).

Peter 
Sorry I said the wrong word.  I have the QHY PoleMaster camera/software.  Even if it was garbage it would still be within an arc-minute.  The results I get show it is dramatically out.  Also when I do a T-Point run, filter with super model, and then check the polar alignment it is not anywhere near as bad as reported by the AP Point Mapper.  I just wish it were obvious what the issue is.  I like Ray's idea that it is a bad ASCOM version.  Would be easy to fix. 



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Micheal Fields Jr
 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 06:54 AM, Peter Nagy wrote:
SharpCap Pro works very well with PoleMaster (not PoleMax??).

Peter 
Sorry I said the wrong word.  I have the QHY PoleMaster camera/software.  Even if it was garbage it would still be within an arc-minute.  The results I get show it is dramatically out.  Also when I do a T-Point run, filter with super model, and then check the polar alignment it is not anywhere near as bad as reported by the AP Point Mapper.  I just wish it were obvious what the issue is.  I like Ray's idea that it is a bad ASCOM version.  Would be easy to fix. 


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Micheal Fields Jr
 

Yes Ray, I am using APCC.  Can I use something else to model?  Your question seems to imply I can?  If so, can you or someone else please explain that process?  Or do you mean use the hand controller to manually align?

I am nearly 100% positive I have the latest ascom SP1.  Not only do I keep it up to date but I also did a "check for updates" from the ascom folder and it reported no new updates available.  What I can try is to uninstall it clean and do a fresh install.  I keep a portable hard drive with all the latest revisions of all my drivers and software but when I am too lazy to find it I typically just do a re-download.   I also captured some video of these issues but it is hours long and needs to be edited down to something worth a watch.  Was up until 4am fighting with this so the 4 hours of sleep I am on now means I may not get anything accomplished today.


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 07:29 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:
Hi Michael,

Although you don't specifically mention APCC, I assume that is what you are using for a model?

If so, the behavior you are describing sounds like you may be running the ASCOM Platform 6.5 with the "Transform" bug. APPM and APCC use the ASCOM Transform class to convert plate-solved J2000 coordinates to the current epoch. The severe bug in this version of ASCOM makes the Transform class un-reusable, so all follow-up J2000 transformations return the same RA,Dec coordinate pair as the first, and thus results a bad model.

I suggest you download and install ASCOM Platform 6.5 SP1 from the ASCOM web site. Unfortunately you will have to use APPM to collect data points again.

https://www.ascom-standards.org

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Micheal Fields Jr via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:15 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Mach2GTO #Polar_Alignment

Used the QHY Polemax camera and software to dial in the polar alignment which seemed pretty straight forward.
Should be right on the money.

Then I also happen to have the MGbox and that is connected providing temp, pressure, humidity and GPS.

I am running a piece of software on my computer called Dimension4 which communicates with all the atomic
clocks all over the world and gets extremely precise time. I have the software choose to update time from PC as
"recommended".

So the polar alignment should be excellent, the time offset correction should be excellent, the gps coordinates
excellent, the weather information pretty good.

Using SGP I did a focus run prior to doing the model.

Now some details that are going against me.
The telecope is an 11" EdgeHD. I am using two dovetail bars. Both Losmandy D type with radius blocks. One on
top of the scope and one of course on the bottom. The bolts are very tight FYI.
I have the easy balance 16" saddle and it is also bolted very tightly to the mount. I double checked all bolts.

Clutches are tight, the two side knobs on the mount for elevation clutch are both tight. The three bolts from the
adapter pier plate are tight as are the bolts from that plate to the top of the tripod.

But it is an SCT. And I am focusing using the primary mirror which means it is not locked and does move around
under its own weight.

The imaging train is light weight and is all threaded connections. Nothing moves.

So I start the model and it shows me results like RA delta is -2948.643 and the dec delta is -1581.175 arc min.

When complete and I look at the "model" it shows things like 9599.37 arc-seconds East Model and 9548.46 arc-
seconds in West model. Polar axis elecation 143987.03 east and 139238.67 west. Index Error HA 230742.67
east and -225292.62 west.

What does that mean? Well I assume it means that what it wants to see and what it actually sees are very
different.

I wonder if I am not checking the correct boxes.

Then when I am done I am seeing, based upon those high numbers, a very high number for the polar alignment
error. But I know it is correctly aligned.

Then when I am all done with the bad model and I have tracking adjustments enabled and the model enabled a 5
second image is all star trails.

So obviously everything is wrong as if it thinks the time is something it isn't or the GPS coordinates are
something they are not or it is just plate solving the wrong position?

I tried it with SGP and both Platesolve2 and ASTAP. Both yield the same issue.

Now If I just do a regular T-Point run in TSX Pro with all model stuff disabled, it seems normal and reasonable.
Since the mirror is unlocked because I focus using the primary mirror so I need to model any mirror shift/flop, The
sky RMS pointing in TSX Pro after doing a 33 point run and crunching it with a "super model" is 16.6 PSD=19.15

So my "point" hehe is that TSX T-Point doesn't seem to have any issues with dramatic errors in pointing.

So I am stumped. Why am I seeing such chaos?

If I am just throwing out a random guess that would make sense to me would be that it is not
reading/understanding the gps coordinates and elevation correctly so when it solves an image it is drastically off
from where it thinks it should be. But with a GPS connected, the MGbox, and the time synced with my PC, AND
absolute encoders, this should not ever happen.

Thoughts?


Re: APCC Pro version update

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Sam,

Some people have reported the same behavior. There is nothing I can find wrong with the update checking, so it is likely that Windows firewall or your Anti-Virus program may be blocking the update check.

The latest versions are:

APCC Pro 1.8.8.13:

http://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Pro_Setup_1.8.8.13.exe

APCC Standard 1.8.8.0

http://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Standard_Setup_1.8.8.0.exe

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Saeed via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 8:37 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APCC Pro version update

Hello,

1- For the last few months, my APCC pro no longer checks nor able to detect updates. Please see attached
screen shot.

2- I have been downloading updates manually from AP website. However, the version posted there is never the
same as everyone else in the group is talking about. For example the current one is 1.8.8.11 but AP software
update is offering v1.8.8.9

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Sam Saeed
https://www.decanstars.com










Re: Keypad Longitude/Latitude Entry

Haydon Burns
 

Thanks


APCC Pro version update

Sam Saeed
 

Hello,

1- For the last few months, my APCC pro no longer checks nor able to detect updates. Please see attached screen shot.

2- I have been downloading updates manually from AP website. However, the version posted there is never the same as everyone else in the group is talking about. For example the current one is 1.8.8.11 but AP software update is offering v1.8.8.9

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Sam Saeed
https://www.decanstars.com


Re: Eagle 4 with Mach 2 #Mach2GTO

Wayne Hixson
 

They custom made one for me back when I got my Eagle 2. 


On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:57 AM, annaski@... wrote:

Thanks, I will check this out.


Re: Eagle 4 with Mach 2 #Mach2GTO

annaski
 

Thanks, I will check this out.


Re: Eagle 4 with Mach 2 #Mach2GTO

annaski
 

No, I have  (well, ordered) the Primaluce AC power adapter specifically for the Eagle4. It’s 12.8 V out. 


Re: Very frustrated with my model. Errors seem very large. #Polar_Alignment #Mach2GTO

Mike Dodd
 

On 1/7/2021 10:18 AM, Brian Valente wrote:
one small thing

>>>I am running a piece of software on my computer called Dimension4

i have been told not to use this piece of software, as the small
continuous time adjustments may cause issues
I use Dimension4 to sync my observatory PC's clock. No issues at all. I have it configured to sync when when it launches as the PC starts up, then every 30 or 60 minutes (don't remember which).

Note that these syncs are not"continuous." Plus after the initial bootup sync, any adjustments are tiny.

HTH.

--- Mike
http:// astronomy.mdodd.com


Re: Eagle 4 with Mach 2 #Mach2GTO

Dale Ghent
 

Oh, of course another option is to just ask Prime Luce if they can just make the cable for you. Filippo is very nice to talk with and will likely understand this need.

/dale

On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:40, Dale Ghent <daleg@elemental.org> wrote:


On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:21, annaski@gmail.com wrote:

I would like to use the new Eagle 4 with my Mach 2's thru mount cabling. I will be using all AC power, so I have the Eagle's AC power adapter.

I have Primaluce's Eagle power connector with the Anderson power pole connections, which will connect the Mach 2's output to the Eagle.
However, I cannot find the appropriate adapter which would connect from the AC converter out (which would have the Eagle 'in' connection) to the Anderson power pole connections to the Mach2's input.

Has anyone done this? I cannot even find on Primaluce's site the description of their power pinout
Prima Luce does sell the individual power connectors, so you can make your own power pole cable with an Eagle-style power connector on one end. I believe you would need this one:

https://www.primalucelab.com/astronomy/eagle-type-connector-for-3a-power-out-ports.html

If you do not have the power pole cable crimpers or anything, you can buy a pre-made power pole cable with one end bare, and add the above connector to it:

https://powerwerx.com/powerpole-connector-to-bare-wire

/dale




Re: Eagle 4 with Mach 2 #Mach2GTO

Roland Christen
 


However, I cannot find the appropriate adapter which would connect from the AC converter out (which would have the Eagle 'in' connection) to the Anderson power pole connections to the Mach2's input.
Which AC converter are you using to power the Eagle? What connector is on that converter?

Caution: DO NOT USE the Mach2 power converter for any accessories - it puts out 24 volts and should never be used to power your 12 volt accessories.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: annaski@...
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 9:21 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Eagle 4 with Mach 2 #Mach2GTO

I would like to use the new Eagle 4 with my Mach 2's thru mount cabling. I will be using all AC power, so I have the Eagle's AC power adapter.

I have Primaluce's Eagle power connector with the Anderson power pole connections, which will connect the Mach 2's output to the Eagle.
However, I cannot find the appropriate adapter which would connect from the AC converter out (which would have the Eagle 'in' connection) to the Anderson power pole connections to the Mach2's input.

Has anyone done this? I cannot even find on Primaluce's site the description of their power pinout.

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Eagle 4 with Mach 2 #Mach2GTO

Dale Ghent
 

On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:21, annaski@gmail.com wrote:

I would like to use the new Eagle 4 with my Mach 2's thru mount cabling. I will be using all AC power, so I have the Eagle's AC power adapter.

I have Primaluce's Eagle power connector with the Anderson power pole connections, which will connect the Mach 2's output to the Eagle.
However, I cannot find the appropriate adapter which would connect from the AC converter out (which would have the Eagle 'in' connection) to the Anderson power pole connections to the Mach2's input.

Has anyone done this? I cannot even find on Primaluce's site the description of their power pinout
Prima Luce does sell the individual power connectors, so you can make your own power pole cable with an Eagle-style power connector on one end. I believe you would need this one:

https://www.primalucelab.com/astronomy/eagle-type-connector-for-3a-power-out-ports.html

If you do not have the power pole cable crimpers or anything, you can buy a pre-made power pole cable with one end bare, and add the above connector to it:

https://powerwerx.com/powerpole-connector-to-bare-wire

/dale


Re: Keypad Longitude/Latitude Entry

Roland Christen
 

Yes, correct.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Haydon Burns <hayburns@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 8:31 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Keypad Longitude/Latitude Entry

Hi, I am just wanting to confirm that I am entering the information into the keypad correctly.

Longitude: 30.2317568
Latitude:   -81.395712

My Keypad Entry
N   30:13:54.3
W  081:23:44.6

Thanks

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics

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