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Mach2GTO 6" Eagle Adjustable Folding Pier #Mach2GTO

Mundhir
 

Hello Everyone,

Anyone using the 6" Eagle adjustable folding pier? What scope do you have? and whether you have a  4" or 8" extension? 

I'm expecting my Mach2GTO to arrive soon next month. and I need to order the extension part if required.  I currently own C11 and Televue NP101is Telescopes. I also plan to purchase C14 Edge HD in near future.

Thanks & Clear Skies,
Mundhir


Re: Storage box for the Mach2 mount

Andrea Lucchetti
 

I use a Maxcase 540.
It is a Peli like case produced in Italy, very high quality and right price.
I have changed the original foam with the same material used by AP for shipping, very easy to cut.
I keep the dovetail and bar separated to limit the weight.
Andrea 
Don’t have a good picture for now, sorry


Re: APPM Models

KHursh
 

That is an interesting piece of kit. I would need to think a bit about where I would put it. 

On the other hand, I was successful in getting my run going with SGP as I have a license for that. I had trouble at first with my plate solves because I (stupidly) hadn't done an initial recal in SGP prior to running the model. I stared blankly at the screen of "failed" for two days before it dawned on me.


Re: APPM Models

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Dale,

I had an old license for TSX so I installed it to get APPM access
to a plate solver. After some problems with ActiveX errors being burped up by APPM when trying to solve an image
taken through my ASCOM-connected QHY600, it turned out I needed to run TSX as admin first so that its AcitveX
components could get registered, then APPM was able to talk to it. I expected it to just use TXS's API server but I
guess that isn't the case here.
The reason for using ActiveX is that it allows the same interface code in APPM to be used for CCDSoft V5 and TSX Camera Add-On. :-)

As for why TSX does not register its ActiveX components when SkyX is installed, you will have to ask Software Bisque about that.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Ghent
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 7:46 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Models


On Nov 28, 2020, at 20:30, KHursh via groups.io <khursh=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks Marcelo,

I had the API key from years ago, but I set it wrong in APCC. I had to choose ASCOM.OCH.ObservingConditions
as the driver so I could select my PowerBox for temp and humidity, but use OpenWeather for the Pressure.
OpenWeather had bad data for the temperature. It is about 14C here. OWM said it was 26!! Now it is all set!
Teamwork!

For what it's worth, Evan@Pegasus just announced a more comprehensive sensor that plugs into the existing
PowerBox ecosystem:

https://pegasusastro.com/uranus-meteo-sensor/

Available Q1/2021. Pretty much everything you need for local info.

I upgrade to APPC Pro this week and ran my first model tonight using OCH+OWM for air pressure and temperature
and humidity from my UPBv2. It went swimmingly. I had an old license for TSX so I installed it to get APPM access
to a plate solver. After some problems with ActiveX errors being burped up by APPM when trying to solve an image
taken through my ASCOM-connected QHY600, it turned out I needed to run TSX as admin first so that its AcitveX
components could get registered, then APPM was able to talk to it. I expected it to just use TXS's API server but I
guess that isn't the case here.

/dale


Re: APPM Models

Dale Ghent
 

On Nov 28, 2020, at 20:30, KHursh via groups.io <khursh=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks Marcelo,

I had the API key from years ago, but I set it wrong in APCC. I had to choose ASCOM.OCH.ObservingConditions as the driver so I could select my PowerBox for temp and humidity, but use OpenWeather for the Pressure. OpenWeather had bad data for the temperature. It is about 14C here. OWM said it was 26!! Now it is all set! Teamwork!
For what it's worth, Evan@Pegasus just announced a more comprehensive sensor that plugs into the existing PowerBox ecosystem:

https://pegasusastro.com/uranus-meteo-sensor/

Available Q1/2021. Pretty much everything you need for local info.

I upgrade to APPC Pro this week and ran my first model tonight using OCH+OWM for air pressure and temperature and humidity from my UPBv2. It went swimmingly. I had an old license for TSX so I installed it to get APPM access to a plate solver. After some problems with ActiveX errors being burped up by APPM when trying to solve an image taken through my ASCOM-connected QHY600, it turned out I needed to run TSX as admin first so that its AcitveX components could get registered, then APPM was able to talk to it. I expected it to just use TXS's API server but I guess that isn't the case here.

/dale


Re: APPM Models

KHursh
 

Thanks Marcelo,

I had the API key from years ago, but I set it wrong in APCC. I had to choose ASCOM.OCH.ObservingConditions as the driver so I could select my PowerBox for temp and humidity, but use OpenWeather for the Pressure. OpenWeather had bad data for the temperature. It is about 14C here. OWM said it was 26!! Now it is all set! Teamwork!

Kevin


Re: Storage box for the Mach2 mount

Wes Atchison
 

HI Harley,

I use the Ridgid tool box set to store  my AP900.  Really works great, nice sturdy rugged box set.  

FYI, Home Depot is running a sale of the 3 piece set till Christmas.

Wes
WA5TKU


Re: APPM Models

Marcelo Figueroa
 

Even though I have the Pegasus Powerbox Advance, I haven't installed it yet (waiting for the appropriate cables to arrive) so the details are missing, but look at the image 1 of the link, the pressure is selected in the Obeserving Condition HUB Configuration. Also note that it may take several hours for your OpenWeatherMap account to be activated.
 
At the moment this is what I do:
 
To get all the data via OpenWeatherMap (no device required, but internet connection):
 
1) In APCC Settings > Environmental Settings
2) Source > ASCOMObservingConditions
3) Select Driver > OpenWeatherMap.ObservingConditions
4) Properties :
 
- API Key: Enter the API Key number that was sent to you
- API URL: https://api.openweathermap.org/data/2.5/weather

5) Select Site: Enter your city name and select it from the list (be sure to select the correct city)
- Ok
 
 
 


Re: Storage box for the Mach2 mount

Jim Hawn
 

tony,
Thanks for posting the helpful video, especially the detailed Rubbermaid product information to facilitate ordering them.  Out of curiosity, what do you recommend for storing the GTOCP5 unit and cables?  How about the counterweight bar and the counterweights themselves?  Lastly, do you have a recommended storage solution for the RAPAS?  Thanks.
-  Jim


Re: APPM Models

KHursh
 
Edited

Thanks Marcelo,

I have OpenWeatherMap API key stored in my ASCOM settings, but the pressure still appears editable in APCC pro, so I do. Not sure if I am missing something somewhere.


Storage box for the Mach2 mount

Harley Davidson
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAkJfixIkEc

I am using a Ridgid tool box to protect my Mach2 mount.

tony


Re: APPM Models

Marcelo Figueroa
 


You don't need to enter the pressure manually, follow these steps and you can get it (along with temperature and humidity as well) from the internet:

https://ap-gto.groups.io/g/main/message/73588?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,openweathermap,20,2,0,77256891


Re: Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Michael 'Mikey' Mangieri
 

I have been using v6.5SP1 (RC1) with no issues thus far although I am still using a 197 point APPM model from a couple of weeks ago which was created with 6.4 installed.

On Nov 28, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:

v6.5SP1 (RC1)


Re: APPM Models

KHursh
 

PS. I am using a Pegasus Astro Powerbox which has real-time temp and humidity monitoring. I enter the atmospheric pressure manually.


Re: Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Ray Gralak
 

Ray had noted that we should use v6.5SP1 but Karen’s email references v6.4SP1.

Should we not use any version of 6.5 at this time?
Some clarification:

1) ASCOM Platform v6.4SP1 is okay to still use.

2) ASCOM Platform v6.5 had a serious bug in the Transform class that would cause APPM to produce bad models.

3) You can now *optionally* upgrade to ASCOM Platform v6.5SP1 because it has been released.

However, I just noticed when hovering over the link for v6.5SP1 on the ASCOM web site that it is RC1 (release candidate 1). It is not the official release as I had thought, but it is the default choice now on the web site. That explains why I didn't see an announcement.

So, it is okay to stay with v6.4SP1. If you want to upgrade to v6.5SP1 (RC1), that is okay too. Here is the link:

https://www.ascom-standards.org (click the "Download" button on the right side of the web page)

I am sorry this has been so confusing. The ASCOM naming convention is not helping.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Beyer
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 9:23 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Ray had noted that we should use v6.5SP1 but Karen’s email references v6.4SP1.

Should we not use any version of 6.5 at this time?


On Nov 27, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Karen Christen <karen@astro-physics.com> wrote:





I’ve also un-pinned this thread from the top of the Messages list on the ap-gto Groups.io group. That was
probably misleading, as well.

Karen

AP



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marj Christen
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver



The website is now updated. Thank you for this discussion.



Clear Skies,



Marj Christen

Astro-Physics, Inc

11250 Forest Hills Rd

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847

www.astro-physics.com



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 7:59 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver



Below is what is currently shown on the AP website (my goto when determining what version of ASCOM
Platform to use):




ASCOM V2 Driver & Platform


ASCOM V2 Driver current version <https://www.gralak.com/apdriver/>

ASCOM V6.4SP1 Platform <https://github.com/ASCOMInitiative/ASCOMPlatform/releases/tag/Build_2695>
for use with the V2 Driver and APCC - Thanks to the ASCOM Initiative <http://ascom-standards.org/index.htm> .
Do not use V6.5 at this time.




--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Joseph Beyer
 

Ray had noted that we should use v6.5SP1 but Karen’s email references v6.4SP1. 

Should we not use any version of 6.5 at this time?

On Nov 27, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Karen Christen <karen@...> wrote:



I’ve also un-pinned this thread from the top of the Messages list on the ap-gto Groups.io group.  That was probably misleading, as well.

Karen

AP

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marj Christen
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

 

The website is now updated. Thank you for this discussion.

 

Clear Skies,

 

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics, Inc

11250 Forest Hills Rd

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 7:59 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

 

Below is what is currently shown on the AP website (my goto when determining what version of ASCOM Platform to use):

ASCOM V2 Driver & Platform

ASCOM V2 Driver current version 

ASCOM V6.4SP1 Platform  for use with the V2 Driver and APCC - Thanks to the ASCOM Initiative.  Do not use V6.5 at this time. 


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: AP1100 GTO with AE installed today - but newbie question #Absolute_Encoders

Roland Christen
 

Please contact George on Monday and he will help you install the encoder personality into your CP4.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Shailesh Trivedi <strivedi@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Nov 28, 2020 1:18 am
Subject: [ap-gto] AP1100 GTO with AE installed today - but newbie question #Absolute_Encoders #Absolute_Encoders

Today I installed the Renishaw AEs on my AP1100GTO.

I am a newbie, what do I need to do to initialize them and turn them on?

Shailesh

--
Roland Christen
Astro-Physics


Re: APPM Models

KHursh
 

Thanks for the response Ray!

I am using a fairly well sorted and tied down set-up. I have a 120 mm refractor, so no mirror issues as of now. As for the rest of the randomness, who knows. I am not looking for unguided imaging, I just want REALLY good guiding. The Mach2 and my little 30 point model already improved my guiding to around .6 arc-sec rms. This is higher than many people get on lesser mounts, but a vast improvement to what I was getting. I have pretty bad seeing up here in Northern California.

I don't want to fall into sycophancy, but I really am impressed by APCC/APPM, Ray. It is a large part of why I went with the Mach2 over the 1100GTO. The encoders plus APCC pro were the final decision point for me. Nice work!

Kevin


Re: AP1100 GTO with AE installed today - but newbie question #Absolute_Encoders

Bill Long
 

Fix the personality, did you contact AP to do that or did they reach out to you? They did that for me without even having to ask,  so I assume they did the same? 



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Shailesh Trivedi <strivedi@...>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] AP1100 GTO with AE installed today - but newbie question #Absolute_Encoders #Absolute_Encoders
 
Today I installed the Renishaw AEs on my AP1100GTO.

I am a newbie, what do I need to do to initialize them and turn them on?

Shailesh


Re: APPM Models

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Kevin,

I ran my first successful model tonight of 30 points.
Obviously I am going to want to try a much larger model, but I
am wondering how long can I use it. I was thinking about a hundred or so.
If I go for 150 or 200 or so, can I use
that model for multiple days? A week?
If you don't change anything, the model will likely work pretty well indefinitely, but some things will hinder the model's accuracy.

First, to properly account for refraction, you should supply APCC with real-time Temperature, Pressure, and Humidity measurements. The MGBoxV2 is one of the devices capable of supplying this information. You can add this device, or any other ASCOM device with an ASCOM Observing Conditions driver, in APCC's Environmental Settings.

Some potential issues include:

1) Non-repeatable pointing. Some telescopes with non-fixed mirrors can introduce random pointing errors.
2) Any settling of the pier into the ground can change polar alignment.
3) Loose or flimsy mounting plates can introduce randomness.
4) An inadequate focuser can introduce extra flexure and/or introduce randomness.
5) Drastic changes to OTA flexure in temperature changes can subtly affect the pointing model.
6) Hanging cables can introduce randomness, especially if one gets caught on something.
7) Any changes to the setup after a model has been created will usually reduce the model's effectiveness.
8) Any inaccuracy in the plate solves will obviously affect accuracy.

Provided that there is not significant pointing randomness nor unmodeled setup characteristics, each hemisphere model's pointing and tracking rate accuracy will improve as the square root of the number of points. Pointing and tracking rate accuracy should not change significantly over time as long as the setup is stable, which means minimally that the following do not change: polar alignment, flexure, telescope setup, and the total weight of all equipment, counterweights, and balance.

That said, it's pretty easy to create a new model. APPM should be able to capture 2-3 points per minute, or 120-180 points per hour.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of KHursh via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 6:35 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APPM Models

I ran my first successful model tonight of 30 points. Obviously I am going to want to try a much larger model, but I
am wondering how long can I use it. I was thinking about a hundred or so. If I go for 150 or 200 or so, can I use
that model for multiple days? A week?

Kevin

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