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Re: APPM Questions : APPM / GTO1100AE Blocking Issue

Roland Christen
 

What is your power supply?
What is your outside temperature?
You may have too low voltage from your supply, especially now that it is getting cold outside. For cold temperatures it is recommended to use 16 to 18 volts to run the mount.
You might get by with 12 volts if you turn the maximum slew speed to 600x.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: philippe oros <oros.philippe@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Cc: George <George@...>; groups3@...
Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2020 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Questions : APPM / GTO1100AE Blocking Issue

Hi Ray & George
Since a few days I have an blocking  issue wit my AP1100 AE : when I try to slew I get the error shown in the file attached below and the slew is not performed !!(its a pity because the sky is good)
I have checked and tested with another power supply same situation, I have installed all the last versions of APPM Pro and drivers, idem.
Please can you tell me wha to do or try ?
Thanks a lot
Philippe


Le 6 oct. 2020 à 15:47, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> a écrit :

Hi Tony,

Haven't you asked this question before? 

https://ap-gto.groups.io/g/main/topic/help_with_appm_and_dome/76099333

BTW: a hint to anyone asking questions. In case a question has been asked previously, please try a web search using significant keywords in your search. For example, in this case, searching for "APPM Dome Sync" might locate some pages with useful information.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 8:39 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Questions

If a point fails during the mapping run - is there a way to redo it at that time or do you need to redo a complete
new run?

Also, sometimes it seems that the dome is still slewing when the camera starts to take an image - so how is that
overcome? Sucks to be taking a picture of the inside of the dome.






Re: APPM Questions : APPM / GTO1100AE Blocking Issue

philippe oros
 

Hi Ray & George
Since a few days I have an blocking  issue wit my AP1100 AE : when I try to slew I get the error shown in the file attached below and the slew is not performed !!(its a pity because the sky is good)
I have checked and tested with another power supply same situation, I have installed all the last versions of APPM Pro and drivers, idem.
Please can you tell me wha to do or try ?
Thanks a lot
Philippe


Le 6 oct. 2020 à 15:47, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> a écrit :

Hi Tony,

Haven't you asked this question before? 

https://ap-gto.groups.io/g/main/topic/help_with_appm_and_dome/76099333

BTW: a hint to anyone asking questions. In case a question has been asked previously, please try a web search using significant keywords in your search. For example, in this case, searching for "APPM Dome Sync" might locate some pages with useful information.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 8:39 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Questions

If a point fails during the mapping run - is there a way to redo it at that time or do you need to redo a complete
new run?

Also, sometimes it seems that the dome is still slewing when the camera starts to take an image - so how is that
overcome? Sucks to be taking a picture of the inside of the dome.






Re: Results of our AP1600ae unguided imaging

Jeff B
 

My goodness, that's nice!

Jeff

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:40 AM Brian Valente <bvalente@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I wanted to share our latest results from using the our AP1600 with absolute encoders, doing unguided with APCC/APPM model

This is from last night's run, we used 900second (15 minute) unguided exposures of NGC 1097 on CDK17, image scale 0.63"


You can download the fits file here
(image was calibrated and background gradient lightly processed, but otherwise unchanged)  



Overall I'm pretty happy with these results. We were admonished to use guiding from the start, but we had faith in the AP hardware and the APCC software. 

We rely on APCC and the APPM model builder. The model was approximately 180 points on each side, limiting it to 35 degrees altitude. 

Ray has done some great software improvements based on our results over the past year. We are at a very demanding focal length for unguided @ 2930mm. He has been very responsive and helpful, as have all AP staff we have worked with, including Roland. 

We still have work to do in other parts, and we would like our keeper rate to be higher, but progress, not perfection right? 


--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: 1100GTO upgraded with AE...

Bill Long
 

The color matters based on the sheets from Renishaw. The other point I mentioned, the AE tab in APCC Pro also matters since you won't see that if the personality isn't set correctly.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Peter Nagy <topboxman@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:43 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] 1100GTO upgraded with AE...
 
Bill,

I don't think the LEDs at the read heads are meaningful. It simply tells you the encoders are powered on but not necessarily enabled. You can power up the mount and the LEDs will still light up whether the encoders are enabled or not. That's at least what I remembered when I first installed AE in my A-P1100GTO mount. It was very easy to install.

I think it's best to use either ASCOM driver or APCC to tell you whether the encoders are enabled or not. Or while the mount is tracking, you can forcefully move either axes with your hands and if either axes fight back to move back to original position, then you know the encoders are working.

Peter


Re: 1100GTO upgraded with AE...

 

Hi Khushrow

if endorse are on you will see it on the AE Tab like this:

image.png

to see if the model is active, click on pointing model and look on the options to make sure they are enabled

 
image.png


On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:36 AM Bill Long <bill@...> wrote:
Check the lights on the read heads should be blue or green. Check in APCC Pro on the AE tab. If you don't see the AE tab you need to contact AP.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Khushrow Machhi via groups.io <kmachhi=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:29 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] 1100GTO upgraded with AE...
 
I have just upgraded my 1100GTO by adding the absolute encoders and last night I tested it out for the first time.  I ran a pointing model, a modest one to start, 33 points.  After this I had the tracking and pointing corrections on.  The tracking was decent but not what I expected.  My question is how do I tell that the encoders are working vs. the tracking improvement coming from the fact that I ran a model.  I would like to ascertain that the encoders are working and any thoughts on this would be helpful.
Thanks,
Khushrow



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: 1100GTO upgraded with AE...

Peter Nagy
 

Bill,

I don't think the LEDs at the read heads are meaningful. It simply tells you the encoders are powered on but not necessarily enabled. You can power up the mount and the LEDs will still light up whether the encoders are enabled or not. That's at least what I remembered when I first installed AE in my A-P1100GTO mount. It was very easy to install.

I think it's best to use either ASCOM driver or APCC to tell you whether the encoders are enabled or not. Or while the mount is tracking, you can forcefully move either axes with your hands and if either axes fight back to move back to original position, then you know the encoders are working.

Peter


Results of our AP1600ae unguided imaging

 

Hi everyone,

I wanted to share our latest results from using the our AP1600 with absolute encoders, doing unguided with APCC/APPM model

This is from last night's run, we used 900second (15 minute) unguided exposures of NGC 1097 on CDK17, image scale 0.63"


You can download the fits file here
(image was calibrated and background gradient lightly processed, but otherwise unchanged)  



Overall I'm pretty happy with these results. We were admonished to use guiding from the start, but we had faith in the AP hardware and the APCC software. 

We rely on APCC and the APPM model builder. The model was approximately 180 points on each side, limiting it to 35 degrees altitude. 

Ray has done some great software improvements based on our results over the past year. We are at a very demanding focal length for unguided @ 2930mm. He has been very responsive and helpful, as have all AP staff we have worked with, including Roland. 

We still have work to do in other parts, and we would like our keeper rate to be higher, but progress, not perfection right? 


--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: 1100GTO upgraded with AE...

Bill Long
 

Check the lights on the read heads should be blue or green. Check in APCC Pro on the AE tab. If you don't see the AE tab you need to contact AP.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Khushrow Machhi via groups.io <kmachhi@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:29 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: [ap-gto] 1100GTO upgraded with AE...
 
I have just upgraded my 1100GTO by adding the absolute encoders and last night I tested it out for the first time.  I ran a pointing model, a modest one to start, 33 points.  After this I had the tracking and pointing corrections on.  The tracking was decent but not what I expected.  My question is how do I tell that the encoders are working vs. the tracking improvement coming from the fact that I ran a model.  I would like to ascertain that the encoders are working and any thoughts on this would be helpful.
Thanks,
Khushrow


1100GTO upgraded with AE...

Khushrow Machhi
 

I have just upgraded my 1100GTO by adding the absolute encoders and last night I tested it out for the first time.  I ran a pointing model, a modest one to start, 33 points.  After this I had the tracking and pointing corrections on.  The tracking was decent but not what I expected.  My question is how do I tell that the encoders are working vs. the tracking improvement coming from the fact that I ran a model.  I would like to ascertain that the encoders are working and any thoughts on this would be helpful.
Thanks,
Khushrow


Re: APCC Comm Event

John Stiner
 

Thanks Ray. I’ll update to the latest version. 


Re: APCC Comm Event

Ray Gralak
 

Updating to the latest version will fix the issue.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Stiner
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:03 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Comm Event

I am using APCC Pro 1.8.5.1 (8/23/20).


Re: APCC Comm Event

John Stiner
 

I am using APCC Pro 1.8.5.1 (8/23/20). 


Re: APCC Comm Event

Ray Gralak
 

Hi John,

What is the exact version of apcc that you are using?

The latest versions are 1.8.8.0 (standard) and 1.8.8.3 (pro).

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Stiner
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 5:20 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APCC Comm Event

Ray, I apologize for the interruption but my “Comm Events” indicator has gone pink. When I open it, it reflects
that every 3 seconds an error repeats that says “Sent: ‘:m#, Error: The operation has timed out.” I can send logs
if needed after tonight’s run but APCC Pro appears operational and tracking is fine. Any thoughts on what
mistake I’ve likely made?


Re: [ap-ug] More AP stuff

thefamily90 Phillips
 

👍


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Pete Lardizabal <p14@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 7:10:10 PM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Cc: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] [ap-ug] More AP stuff
 
Congrats Tony!

I think Moose needs a custom heated saddle for the Mach 2!

😆

Pete

On Nov 10, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Harley Davidson <astrocnc@...> wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjWX7rna20

I received a couple packages today from AP :)

tony

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APCC Comm Event

John Stiner
 

Ray, I apologize for the interruption but my “Comm Events” indicator has gone pink. When I open it, it reflects that every 3 seconds an error repeats that says “Sent: ‘:m#, Error: The operation has timed out.” I can send logs if needed after tonight’s run but APCC Pro appears operational and tracking is fine. Any thoughts on what mistake I’ve likely made?


Re: [ap-ug] More AP stuff

Pete Lardizabal
 

Congrats Tony!

I think Moose needs a custom heated saddle for the Mach 2!

😆

Pete

On Nov 10, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Harley Davidson <astrocnc@...> wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjWX7rna20

I received a couple packages today from AP :)

tony

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Re: More AP stuff

Roland Christen
 

No, I think Moose bought the mount out of his paper route money. The 1600 was too big for him to handle.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff B <mnebula946@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Cc: astrocnc@... <astrocnc@...>; main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2020 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] More AP stuff

Roland, I didn't know you guys also sold dogs!?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 5:32 PM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I guess Little Moose likes the mount Smile

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Harley Davidson <astrocnc@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io; main@ap-ug.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2020 4:06 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] More AP stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjWX7rna20

I received a couple packages today from AP :)

tony


Re: More AP stuff

Jeff B
 

Roland, I didn't know you guys also sold dogs!?


On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 5:32 PM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I guess Little Moose likes the mount Smile

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Harley Davidson <astrocnc@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io; main@ap-ug.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2020 4:06 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] More AP stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjWX7rna20

I received a couple packages today from AP :)

tony


Re: More AP stuff

Roland Christen
 

I guess Little Moose likes the mount Smile

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Harley Davidson <astrocnc@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io; main@ap-ug.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2020 4:06 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] More AP stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjWX7rna20

I received a couple packages today from AP :)

tony


More AP stuff

Harley Davidson
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjWX7rna20

I received a couple packages today from AP :)

tony

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