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Re: APPM putting each image in separate window

Ray Gralak
 

Eric,

Each image returned by the simulator (of M42) is in a separate "APPM -- Camera View" window.
Shouldn't these all be in the same window? My task bar is very full...
BTW, you could instead use APPM's NASA Sky View camera, which allows you to test your plate-solving software.

And, only one window is opened at a time using this camera type.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Claeys
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:16 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APPM putting each image in separate window

Just downloaded APPC 1.8.8.1 and am running APPM using a camera simulator and not plate solving.
Each image returned by the simulator (of M42) is in a separate "APPM -- Camera View" window. Shouldn't these all
be in the same window? My task bar is very full...

Eric


Re: best power schema for nomad set up

Andrea Lucchetti
 

ok, the battery is big enough for everything and has a self built protection.
the only "issue" is the notebook , that need an inverter.


Re: best power schema for nomad set up

Jeffc
 

I’ve been running AP mounts off 12v batteries directly since 2004. 

I used optima yellow tops for quite a while - one for the mount, another for the camera , another with inverter for the computer, and another for the dew heaters if I need them.  These are heavy batteries tho.   Thinking back, they might be overkill. 

I have been transitioning to a lighter weight setup and switched to a LiFePO4 with built in inverter for the computer.  I’m using a smaller sealed AGM “emergency lights” battery which I think is 18AH.

I’m also using all Anderson PowerPoles for all the battery connections.   No more 12v “cigarette lighter” plugs.

If I am doing a multi night trip away from power, I’ll bring the EU1000 Honda generator to charge during the day.   A tank of gas lasts about 2 days.  


On Nov 8, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Christopher Erickson <christopher.k.erickson@...> wrote:


Batteries are ALWAYS safer and cleaner than mixing in inverters and converters and power bricks along with batts.

One 12 or 24v batt setup for the mount and a separate 12 batt setup for everything else. No ground loops, no electronics failures, no efficiency reductions, no surges, no RFI issues, no excessive heat radiation...

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 1:48 PM Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...> wrote:
Hello,
I'd be grateful if someone can show me the best way to power my nomad set up (Mach 2, Pc, CCD, FLI atlas, HUB Usb, fa, kendrick, etc)

Basically I am thinking to use the brick power unit that came with the mount, I feel it is more safe than going straight from the battery.
I have a 100A lipofe battery, and one inverter. the inverter is not earthed, as this is a portable set up and don't know how many put a rod in the ground for one night...

The 220 line from the inverter powers: 
-the Mach 2 24v brick ( i don't know if it is double isolated or earthed)
-the pc brick ( it is not double isolated but use the earth of the inverter, that is floating)
-one 12v brick for the rest: given that I need 12A, it is also not double isolated ( the V- is connected to ground)

my doubt is: if one component fails and the ground get a potential this is going to hit everything?

The alternative is to power the mount and the other appliances from the battery, and leave the pc on the inverter.
this is the option I wanted to avoid at the beginning but may be it is something to reconsider?



Thanks a lot,
Andrea
  










Re: best power schema for nomad set up

Christopher Erickson
 

Batteries are ALWAYS safer and cleaner than mixing in inverters and converters and power bricks along with batts.

One 12 or 24v batt setup for the mount and a separate 12 batt setup for everything else. No ground loops, no electronics failures, no efficiency reductions, no surges, no RFI issues, no excessive heat radiation...

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 1:48 PM Andrea Lucchetti <andlucchett@...> wrote:
Hello,
I'd be grateful if someone can show me the best way to power my nomad set up (Mach 2, Pc, CCD, FLI atlas, HUB Usb, fa, kendrick, etc)

Basically I am thinking to use the brick power unit that came with the mount, I feel it is more safe than going straight from the battery.
I have a 100A lipofe battery, and one inverter. the inverter is not earthed, as this is a portable set up and don't know how many put a rod in the ground for one night...

The 220 line from the inverter powers: 
-the Mach 2 24v brick ( i don't know if it is double isolated or earthed)
-the pc brick ( it is not double isolated but use the earth of the inverter, that is floating)
-one 12v brick for the rest: given that I need 12A, it is also not double isolated ( the V- is connected to ground)

my doubt is: if one component fails and the ground get a potential this is going to hit everything?

The alternative is to power the mount and the other appliances from the battery, and leave the pc on the inverter.
this is the option I wanted to avoid at the beginning but may be it is something to reconsider?



Thanks a lot,
Andrea
  










best power schema for nomad set up

Andrea Lucchetti
 

Hello,
I'd be grateful if someone can show me the best way to power my nomad set up (Mach 2, Pc, CCD, FLI atlas, HUB Usb, fa, kendrick, etc)

Basically I am thinking to use the brick power unit that came with the mount, I feel it is more safe than going straight from the battery.
I have a 100A lipofe battery, and one inverter. the inverter is not earthed, as this is a portable set up and don't know how many put a rod in the ground for one night...

The 220 line from the inverter powers: 
-the Mach 2 24v brick ( i don't know if it is double isolated or earthed)
-the pc brick ( it is not double isolated but use the earth of the inverter, that is floating)
-one 12v brick for the rest: given that I need 12A, it is also not double isolated ( the V- is connected to ground)

my doubt is: if one component fails and the ground get a potential this is going to hit everything?

The alternative is to power the mount and the other appliances from the battery, and leave the pc on the inverter.
this is the option I wanted to avoid at the beginning but may be it is something to reconsider?



Thanks a lot,
Andrea
  










Re: APPM putting each image in separate window

Ray Gralak
 

Eric,

Each image returned by the simulator (of M42) is in a separate
"APPM -- Camera View" window. Shouldn't these all be in the same window?
It has always worked this way for a *long* time. I believe someone asked if each image could be in a separate window. I will put it on my todo list to make a change for the next version.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Claeys
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:16 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APPM putting each image in separate window

Just downloaded APPC 1.8.8.1 and am running APPM using a camera simulator and not plate solving.
Each image returned by the simulator (of M42) is in a separate "APPM -- Camera View" window. Shouldn't these
all be in the same window? My task bar is very full...

Eric


Re: Manage Cables Which Plate to Use for Top Mount Hardware?

Peter Nagy
 

Personally, I am not fond of putting anything on the OTA. I think it's messier this way especially with a through-the-mount cabling mount. See pictures of my setup with TEC 160FL and A-P1100GTOAE mount at:

https://peternagy.smugmug.com/Telescopes/Current-Equipment/

The only things I have on OTA is ADM 15" dovetail ( https://www.admaccessories.com/product/dup15ap-d-series-universal-dovetail-bar-15-long-3-5-spacing/ ) and a carrying handle ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0049A9GEI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) to easily carry and mount the scope. I attach the following to CP4:

Optec Focus Boss II hub
Ethernet 5 port switch
Pegasuspowered USB hub

Notice my pictures do not yet show Pegasus powered USB hub. The devices are attached with pretty strong but easily removable adhesive tapes.

I route USB and power cables through the mount and it's a very nice clean setup. Having many things mounted on OTA almost defeats the purpose of having through the mount cabling. Also, having junk on OTA can upset the balance because they add weight.

Bottom line, A-P1100GTO mount made the cable management so much easier and cleaner that you don't need to put junk on OTA.

Peter


APPM putting each image in separate window

Eric Claeys
 

Just downloaded APPC 1.8.8.1 and am running APPM using a camera simulator and not plate solving.
Each image returned by the simulator (of M42) is in a separate "APPM -- Camera View" window.  Shouldn't these all be in the same window?  My task bar is very full...

Eric


Re: APCC Pro v1.8.8.1 and APCC Standard v1.8.8.0

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Marcelo,

Any other reason for the upgrade? I am using the version 1.8.4.1 (APCC Pro)
which has worked perfectly well and I am a bit reluctant to upgrade critical
components just for fun.
I understand completely. You can find the list of the changes in each public build of APCC at this link (you can also find them in APCC's help file):

https://www.siriusimaging.com/Help/APCC/version_history.htm

Also, you can always reinstall an older version of APCC.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marcelo Figueroa via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 10:17 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro v1.8.8.1 and APCC Standard v1.8.8.0

Hi,

Any other reason for the upgrade? I am using the version 1.8.4.1 (APCC Pro) which has worked perfectly well and
I am a bit reluctant to upgrade critical components just for fun.


Re: Manage Cables Which Plate to Use for Top Mount Hardware?

Terri Zittritsch
 

Dale, thank you again, I think I’ll give it a try. 


terri


Re: Comm Error APCC Pro

Matthew Hughes
 

Hi Ray,

yep new version fixed the comm error. Thank you, I like having things neat and with the errors.
the 1200x / 600x problem I was having has been fixed too. I was doing as you suggested before but this time it worked. I had the GTOCP4 connected when I made the change, however It was most likely operator error 😏


Re: APCC Pro v1.8.8.1 and APCC Standard v1.8.8.0

Marcelo Figueroa
 

Hi,

Any other reason for the upgrade? I am using the version 1.8.4.1 (APCC Pro) which has worked perfectly well and I am a bit reluctant to upgrade critical components just for fun.


APCC Pro v1.8.8.1 and APCC Standard v1.8.8.0

Ray Gralak
 

Hello all,

I am announcing the availability of a new release build of APCCPro and APCC Standard.

These builds fix the timeout error caused by sending the ":m#" command.

APCC Standard download:
http://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Standard_Setup_1.8.8.0.exe

APCC Pro download:
http://www.apastrosoftware.com/apcc_download/APCC_Pro_Setup_1.8.8.1.exe

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


Re: Comm Error APCC Pro

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Matt,

All of a sudden I am getting COMM ERRORS when I start up APCC Pro.
The logs you attached only contain ASCOM logs, not any APCC logs. However, I can tell from your screenshot what is happening. APCC 1.8.7.x is mistakenly sending a ":m#" command that is meant for a later firmware version. You can ignore that error as it does not hurt anything. I will post an update this evening that fixes this.

Issue two is a common one that I hear about on this forum.
My default slew speed in APCC Pro is 1200x I can’t seem to set it to 600x.
You must set the slew rate in the Initialize dialog so that when APCC initializes the mount it will set the mount rate. Otherwise, if the mount has already been initialized, APCC will not automatically change the rate when you connect to the mount.

So, to change the default slew rate, go to the menu Settings-> Edit Initialize Mount Settings...

This will open the "Initialize Astro-Physics Mount" window. In this window, make sure "Set Slew Rate" is enabled, and set the rate to 600x in the dropdown list box.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew Hughes
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 12:53 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Comm Error APCC Pro

Hi everyone,

All of a sudden I am getting COMM ERRORS when I start up APCC Pro. The mount won’t move. I can park and I
park however.



I was running ASCOM 6.4 and then updated to 6.5 SP1. Getting errors on both versions.
GTOCP4
I have VCP4-P01-13 Firmware
Encoder A01-13
V1.8.7.1
ASCOM 6.5 SP1 6.5.1.3174 but same issue with 6.4

Log files.



Issue two is a common one that I hear about on this forum. My default slew speed in APCC Pro is 1200x I can’t
seem to set it to 600x.

Any support would be appreciated.

Matt Hughes




Comm Error APCC Pro

Matthew Hughes
 

Hi everyone,

All of a sudden I am getting COMM ERRORS when I start up APCC Pro. The mount won’t move. I can park and I park however.



I was running ASCOM 6.4 and then updated to 6.5 SP1. Getting errors on both versions.
GTOCP4
I have VCP4-P01-13 Firmware
Encoder A01-13
V1.8.7.1
ASCOM 6.5 SP1 6.5.1.3174 but same issue with 6.4

Log files.



Issue two is a common one that I hear about on this forum. My default slew speed in APCC Pro is 1200x I can’t seem to set it to 600x.

Any support would be appreciated.

Matt Hughes


Re: guiding min/max question

Don Anderson
 

Hello Richar
I use the 50mm Borg and an SX LodestarX2. I image and guide with MaximDL 6.11 and use the default settings (Min .0 /Max 2.0 on X & Y, Aggressiveness 8 both axis).
Works flawlessly. I image from a large city with severe light pollution so do mostly narrow band. Seeing is poor most of the time. I get round but often bloated stars which I attribute to the poor seeing. 

Don Anderson


On Saturday, November 7, 2020, 08:21:14 a.m. MST, richard payne <rpayne85392@...> wrote:


Hi, I have a simple question, first I have a 11000 mount, guiding with a 50mm f5 Borg
and a Starlight Express Costar.  Using either the Sky X or Maxim   for camera control,
if anyone is using something close what are your min/ max settings and aggressive #'s?
I understand seeing affects everything just curious to what others are using.  I have tried
several different numbers .02/.2 min/ max to higher numbers. Thanks
Richard


Re: Manage Cables Which Plate to Use for Top Mount Hardware?

Dale Ghent
 

On Nov 7, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Terri Zittritsch <theresamarie11@gmail.com> wrote:

Dale, thank you for the detailed and thoughtful response and information... like you, the focuser is my biggest concern, second is dew control. I like the Dew Busters capability and will have to take a look at the manual for the Pegasus.
The auto-dew feature on the UPBv2 is a bit ham-fisted at the moment, but it will get some improvements according to Evan of Pegasus.

I was also contemplating a Dew Buster as well before getting this, with the Dew Buster's auto-dew logic and that it places thermocouples up where the dew straps are to take the OTA temperatures and base its power level on that. The UPBv2 is different in that it has its own temperature+humidity sensor but it's not near the optics (although you can place it wherever its length of cable allows you); it's very much reflective of the ambient air around the OTA, not the temperature /of/ the OTA.

But really, in the end that doesn't seem to matter. The UPBv2 seems to ramp up the dew strap power output early enough such that dewing has never been a problem. Like I mentioned before, I'll set my rig up in the afternoon and just let it chill until it's time to start imaging later in the night. I just set the auto-dew to on and go about my day, have dinner, play with the kid, wrestle him to bed, clean up, and finally when it's astro-dark and I can turn my attention back to imaging, the dew heaters are already on with power output in accordance with the how close ambient temperature is to converging with the dewpoint.

I say it's ham-fisted in that it's very coarse in its incremental ramp up, and it seems sometimes that it will ramp up too fast and drive the dew straps at higher outputs that is really necessary for the conditions. One tactic is to let it auto-dew early in the evening, then turn the feature off and manually set the power output for each strap in accordance with your own intuition. The next version of the UPBv2 control app will have a new "Auto-Dew Aggressiveness" setting which will let you control this more. It's already available in an update to their smaller PPA product, and Evan at Pegasus says that it'll appear in a UPBv2 update soon as well. For what it's worth, I use Dew-Not and Kendrick straps, and the dewing levels I experience are typical of what you'd find in a mid-Atlantic suburban environment.

/dale


guiding min/max question

richard payne
 

Hi, I have a simple question, first I have a 11000 mount, guiding with a 50mm f5 Borg
and a Starlight Express Costar.  Using either the Sky X or Maxim   for camera control,
if anyone is using something close what are your min/ max settings and aggressive #'s?
I understand seeing affects everything just curious to what others are using.  I have tried
several different numbers .02/.2 min/ max to higher numbers. Thanks
Richard


Re: Manage Cables Which Plate to Use for Top Mount Hardware?

Terri Zittritsch
 

Dale, thank you for the detailed and thoughtful response and information... like you, the focuser is my biggest concern, second is dew control.    I like the Dew Busters capability and will have to take a look at the manual for the Pegasus.

best,
Terri


Re: Manage Cables Which Plate to Use for Top Mount Hardware?

Terri Zittritsch
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 04:49 PM, <alex@...> wrote:
Hi Terri,

Thanks for the info! I will also take a look at the printed stuff Dale pointed out.

To answer your question, yes, please enclose a pic if it is not too much trouble?

The pics from Dale and Bruce were very helpful.

Best,
Alex
Hi Axel, you should be able to see it here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jQXRltbI9mJDYR5YmSh3fTPXKPKJgC7X/view?usp=drivesdk

I've had the MDS dovetail on the top of all of my scopes for years, it's light and it allows me to add my larger guide scope, with MDS clamps, to any scope.   With the advent of smaller guidescopes and small pixel guide cameras, I use a small, focuser mounted,  60mm guidescope for many of the smaller scopes now, but still have a need for the larger guide scope, which keeps me from implementing a general solution of all top mounted accessories.  I really want '1' thing I can move from scope to scope.
This plate uses MDS clamps bolted to a piece of aluminum (1/8") which is overkill and adds about 15 ounces.    The bend in the plate is limited to my  largest diameter scope which is what it's on now, an 11" Edge.   On the plate are an 8 position powerpole strip, a focus boss ii (rugged but heavy), a reliable usb hub and a dew buster controller.     After reading Dale's post, I may take the plunge and give Pegasus a try.   Being an EE and 'tinkerer', it's kind of in my DNA.    The current setup is very reliable for me.. so reliability is important.    With the through mount cabling on the Mach2, the cables on the tele don't bother me so much.    This setup with the 11" is for planetary imaging and not deep sky imaging.. so nothing is really tied down very neatly right now and as long as it doesn't drag, i don't worry because I change scopes pretty often.



Terri

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