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Re: APPM Modelling Question wrt Focus

Tony Benjamin <tonybenjamin@...>
 

Thanks Ray...btw...that delay you put into APPM for dome slewing is still working like a charm for the APPM run :)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Gralak
Sent: November 1, 2020 7:43 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APPM Modelling Question wrt Focus

Hi Tony,

I started an APPM run and realized I didn't get the sharpest
focus...its not bad but it could be a bit better. Will that be detrimental? Should I just stop the APPM run and focus as best as possible or is "close" good enough?
It doesn't have to be the absolute best focus, but having good quality focus will provide more accurate results.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2020 7:30 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APPM Modelling Question wrt Focus

I started an APPM run and realized I didn't get the sharpest
focus...its not bad but it could be a bit better. Will that be detrimental? Should I just stop the APPM run and focus as best as possible or is "close" good enough?


Re: APPM Modelling Question wrt Focus

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Tony,

I started an APPM run and realized I didn't get the sharpest focus...its not bad but it could be a bit better. Will that
be detrimental? Should I just stop the APPM run and focus as best as possible or is "close" good enough?
It doesn't have to be the absolute best focus, but having good quality focus will provide more accurate results.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2020 7:30 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APPM Modelling Question wrt Focus

I started an APPM run and realized I didn't get the sharpest focus...its not bad but it could be a bit better. Will that
be detrimental? Should I just stop the APPM run and focus as best as possible or is "close" good enough?


APPM Modelling Question wrt Focus

Tony Benjamin <tonybenjamin@...>
 

I started an APPM run and realized I didn't get the sharpest focus...its not bad but it could be a bit better. Will that be detrimental? Should I just stop the APPM run and focus as best as possible or is "close" good enough?


Re: Connecting to GPS gives an error

Ray Gralak
 

There could be some garbage characters in the GPS's virtual port.

Make sure nothing is connected to the port by disconnecting your GPS Utility and restarting APCC.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Claeys
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2020 6:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Connecting to GPS gives an error

I have a BU-353S4 GPS that used to work.
Now when I try to connect to it, it connects, then after about 5 seconds it disconnects with the following error:
Closing GPS Connection.
UpdateLocation: Index and length must refer to a location within the string.
Parameter name: length

This is with 1,8.4.1 and 1.8.7.1.
I can access the GPS via the GPS utility that it came with.

Any ideas?


Re: Time Out Comm Errors on MACH2

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Eric,

I just upgraded to 1.8.7.1 on my 1100 mount, and am getting the ":m3# The operation has timed out" error.
Is there a version of APCC that fixes this.
It sounds like you might not have the latest firmware. You will need to check with A-P to get updated firmware.

Until you do that, you can ignore these timeout messages. The firmware you are running doesn't understand the command.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Claeys
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2020 6:42 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time Out Comm Errors on MACH2

I just upgraded to 1.8.7.1 on my 1100 mount, and am getting the ":m3# The operation has timed out" error.
Is there a version of APCC that fixes this.


Connecting to GPS gives an error

Eric Claeys
 

I have a BU-353S4 GPS that used to work.
Now when I try to connect to it, it connects, then after about 5 seconds it disconnects with the following error:
   Closing GPS Connection.
   UpdateLocation: Index and length must refer to a location within the string.
   Parameter name: length

This is with 1,8.4.1 and 1.8.7.1.
I can access the GPS via the GPS utility that it came with.

Any ideas?


Re: Time Out Comm Errors on MACH2

Eric Claeys
 

I just upgraded to 1.8.7.1 on my 1100 mount, and am getting the ":m3# The operation has timed out" error.
Is there a version of APCC that fixes this.


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Haydon Burns
 

Hello Ernie,

You  appear to have really did spent some time trying to troubleshoot Sky Safari.  Impressive that you found a work around.  I originally was using Sky Safari 6 Plus and WiFi connection was reliable.  After a night of not having success with it, I upgraded to the Pro version and was having issues that may have been similar to yours with losing WiFi connection.  I reverted back to the plus version and that seemed to work better with regard to WiFi dropouts and screen freezes.

Haydon


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Haydon Burns
 

Thanks Ernie, I’ll have to give this a shot.  May be a moot point soon once the keypads ship.  I appreciate either way.

Thanks,

Haydn


Re: Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Andrew J
 

Hi Ray. I will will give the ASCOM 6.5 SP1 Beta a try. Thanks for the update.

Andrew J


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Roland Christen
 


But gosh, I hope A-P will the keypad hand controller soon.
Yes, will ship early next week.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: ernie.mastroianni@...
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2020 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Hello Haydon,
I also have a Mach2 and use Sky Safari 6 Plus on an iPhone and iPad to point it. I'm doing this while waiting for the hand controller, so my situation is much like yours. I've had fairly consistent success since late May of this year, but it's been a learning curve. The A-P folks have been helpful. I was among the first to receive a Mach2.

Initially, I had the same problems as you with the Mach2 and Sky Safari: severe disorientation, going the wrong way, and hitting the stops if I tried to use it WITHOUT first initializing it through APCC on a PC connected via the RS 232 cable.

Sky Safari just does not communicate accurately with a Mach2 unless you lay the groundwork through APCC. This may change, but for now, the Mach2 with absolute encoders and the CP5 box is a different animal entirely from the CP4, as far as Sky Safari is concerned. Only once was I able use Sky Safari with the Mach2 mount without the aid of a PC to initialize. I've not been able to repeat it, but I am still trying.

Here is what I do.
1. Make sure the Sky Safari APP on your mobile device is turned OFF. You don't want it trying to communicate with the mount before it is ready.
2. Set the mount manually at Park Position 3.
3. Connect the PC to CP5 via the RS232 cable.
4. Start APCC as a standalone program. It should also boot up with the AP V2 driver. Don't start it through any digital star atlas.
5. Confirm that the mount is connected via the Mount window and the APV2 driver window. You'll see this in the bottom left window.
6. THIS IS THE KEY: Go to the AE tab, and select "set home position". You should get a prompt that will say something like "ARE YOU SURE WANT TO GO HOME" and heck yes you do. These terms my not be exact, my mount is not connected at as I write this.
7. This should synchronize your telescopes actual physical position with "Telescope Position" APCC window at the bottom right.
8. Open the Rate Settings tab and make sure the scope is tracking in the sidereal mode.
9. Open the settings window on your mobile device, select the CP5 Wifi. I've had some trouble here (more on this later).
10. Now you can open the Sky Safari APP and connect the telescope, once your address (172.31.0.1) password, and port (23) have been correctly entered.
11. If properly connected, Sky Safari should show your mount pointing directly at the pole (not polaris). You should be good to go.
12. It is best to keep your scope connected via the PC RS232 cable too. The mount has no problem communicating via RS232 and WIFI at the same time.

some glitches.
1. The CP5 WIFI sometimes vanishes. This is a known glitch. You just need to toggle power off and on. The encoders should know exactly where it is once power is restored.

2. Turn off your cellular data. I find that my iPhone insists on looking for the internet through the CP5 wifi, and when it doesn't happen, it shifts to cellular and ignores the WIFI. Perhaps I'm overlooking a setting here, but this is what I do.

3. Keep your sky safari window active. When I close the window on my phone, or simply go to another open window, the scope disconnects.

4. I've had a few occasions when the APCC program halts the sidereal tracking. You'll know this when a centered target gradually moves away from the crosshairs in SkySafari. Usually, re-aligning the object gets it started again, but you may have to go to the APCC program,
then to the Rate Settings tab, and restart sidereal tracking.

With all this said, please understand that I am new to this as well. The Mach2 is my first A-P product. There may be other ways to do this, and without a doubt, there are many folks out there with far more experience than I.

But gosh, I hope A-P will the keypad hand controller soon.

Best,
Ernie Mastroianni



 


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Roland Christen
 

If you have a keypad on order, we will have them ready to ship early next week.

Roland Christen



-----Original Message-----
From: Haydon Burns <hayburns@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2020 11:45 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Thanks Roland.  That tells me what I need to know.  


Keypad users - changing to standard time

 

Hello Keypad users,

This is the weekend that most states in the US turn their clocks back. I have created a Wiki on Groups.io regarding changes that need to be made to your keypad if you are in one of these states. I have also added a PDF to this message outlining various options and procedures for your easy reference.

 

 

 

Clear Skies,

 

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics, Inc

11250 Forest Hills Rd

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847

www.astro-physics.com

 


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

ernie.mastroianni@...
 

Hello Haydon,
I also have a Mach2 and use Sky Safari 6 Plus on an iPhone and iPad to point it. I'm doing this while waiting for the hand controller, so my situation is much like yours. I've had fairly consistent success since late May of this year, but it's been a learning curve. The A-P folks have been helpful. I was among the first to receive a Mach2.

Initially, I had the same problems as you with the Mach2 and Sky Safari: severe disorientation, going the wrong way, and hitting the stops if I tried to use it WITHOUT first initializing it through APCC on a PC connected via the RS 232 cable.

Sky Safari just does not communicate accurately with a Mach2 unless you lay the groundwork through APCC. This may change, but for now, the Mach2 with absolute encoders and the CP5 box is a different animal entirely from the CP4, as far as Sky Safari is concerned. Only once was I able use Sky Safari with the Mach2 mount without the aid of a PC to initialize. I've not been able to repeat it, but I am still trying.

Here is what I do.
1. Make sure the Sky Safari APP on your mobile device is turned OFF. You don't want it trying to communicate with the mount before it is ready.
2. Set the mount manually at Park Position 3.
3. Connect the PC to CP5 via the RS232 cable.
4. Start APCC as a standalone program. It should also boot up with the AP V2 driver. Don't start it through any digital star atlas.
5. Confirm that the mount is connected via the Mount window and the APV2 driver window. You'll see this in the bottom left window.
6. THIS IS THE KEY: Go to the AE tab, and select "set home position". You should get a prompt that will say something like "ARE YOU SURE WANT TO GO HOME" and heck yes you do. These terms my not be exact, my mount is not connected at as I write this.
7. This should synchronize your telescopes actual physical position with "Telescope Position" APCC window at the bottom right.
8. Open the Rate Settings tab and make sure the scope is tracking in the sidereal mode.
9. Open the settings window on your mobile device, select the CP5 Wifi. I've had some trouble here (more on this later).
10. Now you can open the Sky Safari APP and connect the telescope, once your address (172.31.0.1) password, and port (23) have been correctly entered.
11. If properly connected, Sky Safari should show your mount pointing directly at the pole (not polaris). You should be good to go.
12. It is best to keep your scope connected via the PC RS232 cable too. The mount has no problem communicating via RS232 and WIFI at the same time.

some glitches.
1. The CP5 WIFI sometimes vanishes. This is a known glitch. You just need to toggle power off and on. The encoders should know exactly where it is once power is restored.

2. Turn off your cellular data. I find that my iPhone insists on looking for the internet through the CP5 wifi, and when it doesn't happen, it shifts to cellular and ignores the WIFI. Perhaps I'm overlooking a setting here, but this is what I do.

3. Keep your sky safari window active. When I close the window on my phone, or simply go to another open window, the scope disconnects.

4. I've had a few occasions when the APCC program halts the sidereal tracking. You'll know this when a centered target gradually moves away from the crosshairs in SkySafari. Usually, re-aligning the object gets it started again, but you may have to go to the APCC program,
then to the Rate Settings tab, and restart sidereal tracking.

With all this said, please understand that I am new to this as well. The Mach2 is my first A-P product. There may be other ways to do this, and without a doubt, there are many folks out there with far more experience than I.

But gosh, I hope A-P will the keypad hand controller soon.

Best,
Ernie Mastroianni



 


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Haydon Burns
 

Thanks Roland.  That tells me what I need to know.  


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Roland Christen
 

I don't believe Sky Safari can control the Mach2 properly at this time.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Haydon Burns <hayburns@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2020 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Thanks Don,

That is what I have entered and can control the mount.  It is the go to function I am having issues with.   In certain instances, no matter which target I select, the right ascension axis will turn clockwise until it hits the hard stop (I manually stop it prior to this occurring).  I’ve tried using the Align function once I’ve manually centered a target, but nothing I’ve come up with so far has resulted in a solution.  Cabling is RA to RA, DEC to DEC.  Time and location are set correctly as far as I can tell.

Thanks,
Haydon


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Roland Christen
 

The Mach2 does not need to be started at any particular park position. All it needs is to be sent time, date and location and a park off command. The encoders do the rest.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Haydon Burns <hayburns@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2020 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

It is a Mach 2.  I'm using the app until the Keypads are available.
Thanks,

Haydon


Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Haydon Burns
 

Thanks Don, I certainly appreciated your efforts.


Re: Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Yves Laroche
 

Hi Ray,

Thanks for your explanation even if I always understood the naming protocol.

That said... I never being diagnosed but I suffer a kind of dyslexia...unfortunately it seems even worse with age and if I'm reading text too fast and/or having a lack of sleep.  :-)

Best regards,
Yves



Le 01/11/20 09:28, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> a écrit :
Hi Yves,

> Sorry Ray,  a typo error...I meant RC2 !!!

Okay, thanks. That *almost* clears things up.  :-)

Since ASCOM 6.5 platform has been released, any RC (release candidate) would be older than the current release.

So, if you are using APCC Pro you must use one of the following ASCOM versions:

1. ASCOM 6.4 SP2
2. ASCOM 6.5 SP1 Beta (the link I provided).
3. The as yet unreleased, ASCOM 6.5 SP1

Where again, "SP" stands for "Service Pack".

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Yves Laroche
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 8:40 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver
>
> Sorry Ray,  a typo error...I meant RC2 !!!
>
> Yves
>
>
>
> Le 31/10/20 23:19, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> a écrit :
>
>  > Yes, there was an ASCOM 6.5RC2.
>
>  That's not what you wrote... You wrote "SP2", not "RC2".
>
>  (SP = Service Pack) (RC = Release Candidate)
>
>  They have completely different meanings.
>
>  -Ray Gralak
>  Author of PEMPro
>  Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
>  Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Yves Laroche
>  > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 6:47 PM
>  > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>  > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC #ASCOM_V2_Driver
>  >
>  > Hi Ray,
>  >
>  > Yes, there was an ASCOM 6.5RC2.  Just checked the GitHub web site but no executable file found
> anymore even
>  > if it's written 6.5RC2.
>  >
>  > I already got this file on my USB key and initiated an installation to be sure it is version 6.5RC2 and it
> was.  This
>  > was the version with I've tested APPM last night but without success.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Yves
>  >
>  > .
>  >
>  > Le 31/10/20 21:35, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> a écrit :
>  >
>  >  Hi Yves,
>  >
>  >  > Did a point run last night and got bad results with ASCOM 6.5 SP2.  Downgraded to version ASCOM
>  > 6.4RC1 and
>  >  > everything went fine.
>  >
>  >  I am not sure what you mean... there is no ASCOM 6.5 SP2. Did you mean SP1?
>  >
>  >  > You mentioned ASCOM 6.5 SP1 beta version but I'm a bit confused.  Is the beta 6.5RC1 version the
>  > same as
>  >  > non-beta 6.5RC1?
>  >
>  >  You'll have to ask that question on the ASCOM group. I haven't been keeping track of the changes they
>  > make. I was told the link I posted is to the 6.5 SP1 beta.
>  >
>  >  -Ray Gralak
>  >  Author of PEMPro
>  >  Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
>  >  Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>  >
>  >
>  >  > -----Original Message-----
>  >  > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Yves Laroche
>  >  > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:19 PM
>  >  > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>  >  > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC
> #ASCOM_V2_Driver
>  >  >
>  >  > Hi Ray,
>  >  >
>  >  > Did a point run last night and got bad results with ASCOM 6.5 SP2.  Downgraded to version ASCOM
>  > 6.4RC1 and
>  >  > everything went fine.
>  >  >
>  >  > You mentioned ASCOM 6.5 SP1 beta version but I'm a bit confused.  Is the beta 6.5RC1 version the
>  > same as
>  >  > non-beta 6.5RC1?
>  >  >
>  >  > Regards,
>  >  > Yves
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > Le 31/10/20 12:31, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> a écrit :
>  >  >
>  >  >  Hi Andrew,
>  >  >
>  >  >  > If you could provide an update on when this issue will be
>  >  >  > fixed that would be great.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Actually, I reported on this a couple of weeks ago. ASCOM 6.5 Service Pack 1 will fix the bug (which
> is
>  > in
>  >  > ASCOM, not APCC).
>  >  >
>  >  >  However, if you want to try the beta version of ASCOM 6.5 SP1, which I have tested and confirmed
> has
>  > the
>  >  > fix, then here is the link:
>  >  >
>  >  >  https://download.ascom-standards.org/beta/ASCOMPlatform65.exe
>  >  >
>  >  >  -Ray Gralak
>  >  >  Author of PEMPro
>  >  >  Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
>  >  >  Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>  >  >
>  >  >  > -----Original Message-----
>  >  >  > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Jones
>  >  >  > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:20 AM
>  >  >  > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>  >  >  > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Do NOT use ASCOM Platform v. 6.5 with APCC Pro #APCC
>  > #ASCOM_V2_Driver
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > Hi Howard.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > I spent half the night trying to create a new APPM model using ASCOM 6.5 and getting the same
> plate
>  >  > solve
>  >  >  > results for every image. I was about to post the issue here, when I saw your post. Any eta on when
>  > this
>  >  > issue will
>  >  >  > be resolved? I am kind of caught in a catch-22 at the moment as the latest version of SGP  and
> other
>  >  > software I
>  >  >  > am using to control my rig now requires ASCOM 6.5. If you could provide an update on when this
>  > issue
>  >  > will be
>  >  >  > fixed that would be great.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > Andrew J
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Re: Sky Safari - iphone - GTO

Donald Rudny
 

Hi Haydon,

I think Roland may have to chime in here.  You have a Mach 2 with AE’s.  I’m not sure if SkySafari needs to initiate in P4.  When I initialize my non AE 1100 with CP4, I use APCC.  Once the mount is initialized, I just connect to SkySafari and it knows where the scope is pointing.  Must be communication between the CP4 and SkySafari.  With AE’s, the mount always knows where it’s pointing, so I assume there is no initialization required, but not sure.  Not sure if anyone has used SkySafari with the Mach 2 yet.  I’m sure someone from AP can help out.

Don

Don Rudny


On Nov 1, 2020, at 3:34 AM, Haydon Burns <hayburns@...> wrote:

Hi Don,

It is pointing toward the south horizon when I start in park position 4.  More information that may or may not be helpful.  Orientated from the control box, lets say facing polaris, when I press the "up button" on the right hand side of screen, it moves the DEC access to point the telescope toward the west, down button to the east.  When I press the button facing left on the left it tilts the scope toward the east, right button tilts scope toward the west.  

When doing so, it accurately shows where the telescope is aiming.  

Thanks,

Haydon

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