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Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Dean Jacobsen
 

Would it be possible to start a new thread for this instead of having the information buried in this thread?
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Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Roland Christen
 

For those who want to try setting a limit, here are the commands:

:LR0#  turns off limits
:LR2#  turns on limits at 5 degrees past meridian, bounces back 6 degrees and parks the mount (motors de-energized).

You will need to have software version P02-06 or later software loaded in the CP4. You can do this using the Command Interface via Ethernet connection or WiFi. The above commands can be sent to the mount via the Interface Terminal. We plan to publish other new commands as they become available and have been fully debugged.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric M <eric.marlatt@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2020 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

This is fantastic news, thank you!!!! This will serve as an excellent safety mechanism, I'm sure it will save many from pier crashes. 

The caveats all sound reasonable for those of us without encoders, the mount can't possibly know if the real position is correct or not, that is entirely our responsibility. I'd imagine with a bad recal users will notice their slews are way off long before the safety limit comes into play. 

A variable window for the limit would certainly add some flexibility for those who might have a wider diameter pier or filter wheels/imaging equipment that could collide before the 5 degree window is reached. 

Very much looking forward to this feature, I appreciate the response. 

Eric


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Eric M
 

This is fantastic news, thank you!!!! This will serve as an excellent safety mechanism, I'm sure it will save many from pier crashes. 

The caveats all sound reasonable for those of us without encoders, the mount can't possibly know if the real position is correct or not, that is entirely our responsibility. I'd imagine with a bad recal users will notice their slews are way off long before the safety limit comes into play. 

A variable window for the limit would certainly add some flexibility for those who might have a wider diameter pier or filter wheels/imaging equipment that could collide before the 5 degree window is reached. 

Very much looking forward to this feature, I appreciate the response. 

Eric


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Roland Christen
 

You can simply verify it by manually slewing the mount in RA to the counterweight up position (past meridian). At 5 degrees past the meridian the mount will stop responding to a west button move, bounce back a small amount and park itself. You will not be able to move it further west, either by button move or tracking.

If you have the keypad, you can move it back east via the buttons, and once it is back in the counterweight down position it will automatically start tracking again. You can also move it out of the limits by simply issuing any object move command from the keypad objects list. The keypad also now has a flip command that allows you to flip to the other side and acquire the same object again. The keypad will automatically unpark the mount either way and the mount will then slew to the correct side with counterweight up. The only thing you cannot do is to move it via the buttons further past the limit.

If you use an external planetarium program to control the mount, you will first need to unpark the mount. SkyX will prompt you to unpark before it lets you slew the mount to another object. Other programs may need to re-start the mount.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffc <jeffcrilly@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2020 11:31 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver



> On Oct 26, 2020, at 8:54 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> So, if you have your whits about you and are certain that the mount is set up correctly,

For the non-encoder mounts, could this command have a “manual verify” feature?

Eg after mount startup a slew is done and if it stops then the user knows the command is setup properly.  If it doesn’t stop then the user can stop it. 
But yes.. I can also see where even this “verify” seems like an opportunity for lots of support calls/emails.

-jeff




Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Jeffc
 

On Oct 26, 2020, at 8:54 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

So, if you have your whits about you and are certain that the mount is set up correctly,
For the non-encoder mounts, could this command have a “manual verify” feature?

Eg after mount startup a slew is done and if it stops then the user knows the command is setup properly. If it doesn’t stop then the user can stop it.
But yes.. I can also see where even this “verify” seems like an opportunity for lots of support calls/emails.

-jeff


Re: Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Dale Ghent
 

Indeed, such software exists in the form of ASCOMPAD from the EQMOD project:

http://eq-mod.sourceforge.net/apindex.html

/dale

On Oct 26, 2020, at 12:17 PM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

That would be any software that produces the ASCOM command to move a telescope at the chosen rate and chosen direction. I don't know if that software exists. If it does, then indeed it can move not only our mount, but all mounts, since ASCOM is the common interface for all amateur mounts.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Ruckle <aruckle@cox.net>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 6:03 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Roland Christen
 

That would be any software that produces the ASCOM command to move a telescope at the chosen rate and chosen direction. I don't know if that software exists. If it does, then indeed it can move not only our mount, but all mounts, since ASCOM is the common interface for all amateur mounts.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Ruckle <aruckle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 6:03 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Roland Christen
 


"Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch"

Answer:
I am working on it. We have a software command now that will set the limit at 5 degrees past the meridian in the CP4. It's a simple command that can be sent via the AP Terminal Command Interface. The command will also be in the new release of the keypad software. At the present time we are debating whether to make the 5 degree window variable, but it has not yet been decided.

There are caveats, however. In a non-encoder mount this limit depends on the hour angle being correct, so if the user does a bad recal (example: recal on Vega when pointing at Betelgeuse), then the hour angle is thrown off course, and this will affect the where the limit is applied. Another example is entering 2:00:00 for time when it really is 1400 hours and the entry should have been 14:00:00. Or entering -6 for time zone when it should have been +6. None of this is an issue for one of our Absolute Encoder mounts, such as the Mach2, because the limit is tied to an actual encoder angle that is invariant, regardless of mistakes in time, date, location or recal entries.

So, if you have your whits about you and are certain that the mount is set up correctly, then sending the limit command will indeed stop the mount at 5 degrees past the meridian. If not, then we will get lots of customer service calls with mounts that don't appear to track (because they are past the limit) and the user has no clue that this is the reason (because he forgot that the limit was set).

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric M <eric.marlatt@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2020 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Roland Christen
 


Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 


I do not get that screen.
Load Part2 last and you will get that screen.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I do not get that screen. As another poster said, waited for at least a full minute. "Running new program" never showed up!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

michaeljhanson@...
 

Gents,

When we test the download process it is done with several combinations of browsers and operating systems.  Obviously, it is not possible to test all possible combinations.  So, it may help to understand three things:
1) What browser and version are you using
2) What OS are you using
3) How is the PC connected to the unit (does the Ethernet cable connect directly to your PC, or to your residential network?)
Not blaming any other software here, merely looking for a way to reproduce your symptoms.

Thanks and Regards,
Mike Hanson


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Eric M
 

Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Allen Ruckle
 

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

George LaBelle
 

I do not get that screen. As another poster said, waited for at least a full minute. "Running new program" never showed up!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 

I will review the documentation with our software engineer and clear up any discrepancy. Take me a day or two.

For now: loading Part 1 is not really required since that portion has never changed and really is not the controlling software inside the CP unit. It can be safely left as is. Load only Part2 and this will update all the internal controlling software. Everything is in Part2.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 

Here is what it looks like:




-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

George LaBelle
 

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi George,

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated
firmware, and that it was shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
It sounds like you have APCC configured to Auto-shutdown in Advanced settings.

This will cause APCC to shut down after you disconnect all applications (including the AP V2 driver) from APCC's virtual ports.

However, APCC will not shut down because of an outdated GTOCP4 firmware version.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George LaBelle
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I got it to work, but...

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated firmware, and that it was
shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
Only tried once.
Today, the message was in the corner, but allowed me to connect?!

I uploaded pt1 and then pt2. However, on page 10 of the "field_CP4_...pdf, it says that after loading pt2, I should
see "preparing unit...", followed by "Running new program". (why I hesitate to upgrade firmware, unless
necessary, something can go wrong). I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue. I
went back to main and it reported the correct "14" version. Disconnected the Enet and reconnected USB. Correct
version is reported in APCC, and it seems to be working. WHEW!

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George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 


I’ve waited on mine a long while and all that remains is the blue bar.
When the blue bar is filled, the program has successfully downloaded.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Beyer <jcbeyer2001@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I have the same concerns. I’ve upgraded the firmware in my CP4 a couple times and every time it appears to hang.  There’s never any confirmation the upload is complete or the process is done. I’ve waited on mine a long while and all that remains is the blue bar.  Each time I’ve done it I thought I was interrupting the process but everything seems ok afterwards. 

On Oct 25, 2020, at 10:25 AM, George LaBelle <george.labelle@...> wrote:

I got it to work, but...

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated firmware, and that it was shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
Only tried once.
Today, the message was in the corner, but allowed me to connect?!

I uploaded pt1 and then pt2. However, on page 10 of the "field_CP4_...pdf, it says that after loading pt2, I should see "preparing unit...", followed by "Running new program". (why I hesitate to upgrade firmware, unless necessary, something can go wrong). I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue. I went back to main and it reported the correct "14" version. Disconnected the Enet and reconnected USB. Correct version is reported in APCC, and it seems to be working. WHEW!

--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 


I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue.
Yes, this is correct.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I got it to work, but...

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated firmware, and that it was shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
Only tried once.
Today, the message was in the corner, but allowed me to connect?!

I uploaded pt1 and then pt2. However, on page 10 of the "field_CP4_...pdf, it says that after loading pt2, I should see "preparing unit...", followed by "Running new program". (why I hesitate to upgrade firmware, unless necessary, something can go wrong). I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue. I went back to main and it reported the correct "14" version. Disconnected the Enet and reconnected USB. Correct version is reported in APCC, and it seems to be working. WHEW!

--
George
Prineville, Oregon

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