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Re: Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Dale Ghent
 

Indeed, such software exists in the form of ASCOMPAD from the EQMOD project:

http://eq-mod.sourceforge.net/apindex.html

/dale

On Oct 26, 2020, at 12:17 PM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

That would be any software that produces the ASCOM command to move a telescope at the chosen rate and chosen direction. I don't know if that software exists. If it does, then indeed it can move not only our mount, but all mounts, since ASCOM is the common interface for all amateur mounts.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Ruckle <aruckle@cox.net>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 6:03 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Roland Christen
 

That would be any software that produces the ASCOM command to move a telescope at the chosen rate and chosen direction. I don't know if that software exists. If it does, then indeed it can move not only our mount, but all mounts, since ASCOM is the common interface for all amateur mounts.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Ruckle <aruckle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 6:03 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Roland Christen
 


"Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch"

Answer:
I am working on it. We have a software command now that will set the limit at 5 degrees past the meridian in the CP4. It's a simple command that can be sent via the AP Terminal Command Interface. The command will also be in the new release of the keypad software. At the present time we are debating whether to make the 5 degree window variable, but it has not yet been decided.

There are caveats, however. In a non-encoder mount this limit depends on the hour angle being correct, so if the user does a bad recal (example: recal on Vega when pointing at Betelgeuse), then the hour angle is thrown off course, and this will affect the where the limit is applied. Another example is entering 2:00:00 for time when it really is 1400 hours and the entry should have been 14:00:00. Or entering -6 for time zone when it should have been +6. None of this is an issue for one of our Absolute Encoder mounts, such as the Mach2, because the limit is tied to an actual encoder angle that is invariant, regardless of mistakes in time, date, location or recal entries.

So, if you have your whits about you and are certain that the mount is set up correctly, then sending the limit command will indeed stop the mount at 5 degrees past the meridian. If not, then we will get lots of customer service calls with mounts that don't appear to track (because they are past the limit) and the user has no clue that this is the reason (because he forgot that the limit was set).

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric M <eric.marlatt@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2020 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Roland Christen
 


Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 


I do not get that screen.
Load Part2 last and you will get that screen.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I do not get that screen. As another poster said, waited for at least a full minute. "Running new program" never showed up!
--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

michaeljhanson@...
 

Gents,

When we test the download process it is done with several combinations of browsers and operating systems.  Obviously, it is not possible to test all possible combinations.  So, it may help to understand three things:
1) What browser and version are you using
2) What OS are you using
3) How is the PC connected to the unit (does the Ethernet cable connect directly to your PC, or to your residential network?)
Not blaming any other software here, merely looking for a way to reproduce your symptoms.

Thanks and Regards,
Mike Hanson


Re: Pier Crash - need help diagnosing #ASCOM_V2_Driver

Eric M
 

Can anyone comment on Rolando's statement on setting limits on the CP4 without APCC? Is this possible? It would be incredibly useful in case of a computer crash or software glitch.


Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick via ASCOM?

Allen Ruckle
 

Is there a product that allows Control of the CP4 with a JoyStick and the Ascom Driver?

aruckle


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

George LaBelle
 

I do not get that screen. As another poster said, waited for at least a full minute. "Running new program" never showed up!
--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 

I will review the documentation with our software engineer and clear up any discrepancy. Take me a day or two.

For now: loading Part 1 is not really required since that portion has never changed and really is not the controlling software inside the CP unit. It can be safely left as is. Load only Part2 and this will update all the internal controlling software. Everything is in Part2.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 

Here is what it looks like:




-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

George LaBelle
 

Ok. Looks like the documentation "Field_CP4_Download_browser" Needs to be updated! When things don't go as the documentation, panic sets in and the heart rate goes high and the sweats start!
--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi George,

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated
firmware, and that it was shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
It sounds like you have APCC configured to Auto-shutdown in Advanced settings.

This will cause APCC to shut down after you disconnect all applications (including the AP V2 driver) from APCC's virtual ports.

However, APCC will not shut down because of an outdated GTOCP4 firmware version.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George LaBelle
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I got it to work, but...

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated firmware, and that it was
shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
Only tried once.
Today, the message was in the corner, but allowed me to connect?!

I uploaded pt1 and then pt2. However, on page 10 of the "field_CP4_...pdf, it says that after loading pt2, I should
see "preparing unit...", followed by "Running new program". (why I hesitate to upgrade firmware, unless
necessary, something can go wrong). I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue. I
went back to main and it reported the correct "14" version. Disconnected the Enet and reconnected USB. Correct
version is reported in APCC, and it seems to be working. WHEW!

--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 


I’ve waited on mine a long while and all that remains is the blue bar.
When the blue bar is filled, the program has successfully downloaded.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Beyer <jcbeyer2001@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I have the same concerns. I’ve upgraded the firmware in my CP4 a couple times and every time it appears to hang.  There’s never any confirmation the upload is complete or the process is done. I’ve waited on mine a long while and all that remains is the blue bar.  Each time I’ve done it I thought I was interrupting the process but everything seems ok afterwards. 

On Oct 25, 2020, at 10:25 AM, George LaBelle <george.labelle@...> wrote:

I got it to work, but...

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated firmware, and that it was shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
Only tried once.
Today, the message was in the corner, but allowed me to connect?!

I uploaded pt1 and then pt2. However, on page 10 of the "field_CP4_...pdf, it says that after loading pt2, I should see "preparing unit...", followed by "Running new program". (why I hesitate to upgrade firmware, unless necessary, something can go wrong). I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue. I went back to main and it reported the correct "14" version. Disconnected the Enet and reconnected USB. Correct version is reported in APCC, and it seems to be working. WHEW!

--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Roland Christen
 


I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue.
Yes, this is correct.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2020 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I got it to work, but...

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated firmware, and that it was shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
Only tried once.
Today, the message was in the corner, but allowed me to connect?!

I uploaded pt1 and then pt2. However, on page 10 of the "field_CP4_...pdf, it says that after loading pt2, I should see "preparing unit...", followed by "Running new program". (why I hesitate to upgrade firmware, unless necessary, something can go wrong). I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue. I went back to main and it reported the correct "14" version. Disconnected the Enet and reconnected USB. Correct version is reported in APCC, and it seems to be working. WHEW!

--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Joseph Beyer
 

I have the same concerns. I’ve upgraded the firmware in my CP4 a couple times and every time it appears to hang.  There’s never any confirmation the upload is complete or the process is done. I’ve waited on mine a long while and all that remains is the blue bar.  Each time I’ve done it I thought I was interrupting the process but everything seems ok afterwards. 

On Oct 25, 2020, at 10:25 AM, George LaBelle <george.labelle@...> wrote:

I got it to work, but...

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated firmware, and that it was shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
Only tried once.
Today, the message was in the corner, but allowed me to connect?!

I uploaded pt1 and then pt2. However, on page 10 of the "field_CP4_...pdf, it says that after loading pt2, I should see "preparing unit...", followed by "Running new program". (why I hesitate to upgrade firmware, unless necessary, something can go wrong). I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue. I went back to main and it reported the correct "14" version. Disconnected the Enet and reconnected USB. Correct version is reported in APCC, and it seems to be working. WHEW!

--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

George LaBelle
 

I got it to work, but...

I had firmware 11. Last night, it gave a big message, front and center, about outdated firmware, and that it was shutting down in 30 Sec. (or some such).
Only tried once.
Today, the message was in the corner, but allowed me to connect?!

I uploaded pt1 and then pt2. However, on page 10 of the "field_CP4_...pdf, it says that after loading pt2, I should see "preparing unit...", followed by "Running new program". (why I hesitate to upgrade firmware, unless necessary, something can go wrong). I only got "File OK" and "Download OK", and the bar was filled in blue. I went back to main and it reported the correct "14" version. Disconnected the Enet and reconnected USB. Correct version is reported in APCC, and it seems to be working. WHEW!

--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: Mach2 Dimensions

Seb@stro
 

Hi Shane,

Below link (from AP) also includes a metric converter as well as "dimensions that do not change with latitude" (front facing) which you might find interesting, mostly if you are looking to custom build a protection case laser-cut foam (as I am). 

I also wished the Mach2 dimensions were in that version, but they're not either (yet?).


CS!
Sébastien


De : main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> de la part de Shane Ramotowski <kor@...>
Envoyé : 24 octobre 2020 16:57
À : main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 Dimensions
 
Thanks Marj!  That had everything (I think) that I needed.  Looks like I
would need to mount the Mach2 about 2 inches higher than the AP1200...
- Shane

On 10/24/2020 10:54 AM, Marj Christen wrote:
> Hello Shane,
>
> The current link is now .info, rather than .com.  The Mach2 dimensions have not been added to this calculation yet, but are similar to the Mach1.
> https://www.astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/latitude-dimension-calc2.xls
>
>
> Clear Skies,
>
> Marj Christen
> Astro-Physics, Inc
> 11250 Forest Hills Rd
> Machesney Park, IL 61115
> Phone: 815-282-1513
> Fax: 815-282-9847
> www.astro-physics.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shane Ramotowski
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 10:45 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: [ap-gto] Mach2 Dimensions
>
> Hi all,
>
> A some point, I will be getting a Mach2 and I need to figure out what
> modifications I need to make to the pier in the my observatory.
>
> I currently have an AP1200 on the pier.  Can anyone give me the
> approximate difference in height, from mounting plate to the
> intersection of the RA and DEC axes between the AP1200 and Mach2? If it
> matters, I'm at 35N latitude.
>
> I searched the forum and it seems that this calculator:
> <https://www.astro-physics.com/tech_support/mounts/latitude-dimension-calc2.xls>
> would likely give me everything that I want, but the link is broken and
> I can't find it on AP's web site.
>
> Thanks - Shane
>

--
Shane Ramotowski
kor@...
https://www.kor-astro.net







Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Hi George,

the new APCC and APCC drops me.
What do you mean that APCC drops you?

Also, which mount and firmware version(s) are giving you trouble?

BTW, the firmware message in APCC is just a warning. Even though earlier versions of APCC did not warn about the firmware version, that doesn't mean that you should not update to the latest firmware available.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George LaBelle
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:35 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC #APCC

I upgraded APCC Pro, since it was telling me to.
I did not upgrade the firmware in the CP4, since this can be tricky business and I avoid unless necessary.

Now I cannot connect to the mount because the firmware is downgraded from the new APCC and APCC drops
me.

So do I have to reinstall the older APCC Pro, then upgrade the CP4 firmware, then upgrade APCC Pro once
again?
I have APCC Pro v 1.8.3.1. Will this suffice?

--
George
Prineville, Oregon


Re: APCC Pro / GOTO CP$ firmware upgrade #APCC

Konstantin von Poschinger
 

Hi George,

the Firmware update is a separate program. You need Java for that and it works best with the LAN connection.

Konstantin

Konstantin v. Poschinger

Hammerichstr. 5
22605 Hamburg
040/8805747
0171 1983476

Am 25.10.2020 um 14:35 schrieb George LaBelle <george.labelle@...>:

I upgraded  APCC Pro, since it was telling me to.
I did not upgrade the firmware in the CP4, since this can be tricky business and I avoid unless necessary.

Now I cannot connect to the mount because the firmware is downgraded from the new APCC and APCC drops me.

So do I have to reinstall the older APCC Pro, then upgrade the CP4 firmware, then upgrade APCC Pro once again?
I have APCC Pro v 1.8.3.1. Will this suffice?

--
George
Prineville, Oregon

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