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Re: 900 Clutch Plug Help

rrumfield
 

Sean thanks for the reply.  I didn’t see your message until just now.  After a sleepless night, my wife and I started this morning and reassembled our mount.  After some trial and error we figured out how to put it back together.  We just put the motor on the RA.  I haven’t applied any electricity to the mount until I get some help with making certain the gears are meshed properly.  We only took the motor off by using the two unpainted bolts and it seemed to go back on the RA gear ok.  I’m calling Astro-Physics tomorrow to get some info on how to know the gears are meshed properly.

Bob


Re: AP Driver fails on serial port after PC repair

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Gert,

Changing the FTDI USB adapter improved connections but now the AP driver UI shows all coordinates at
initialization values.
None of your logs show the mount is responding, but maybe you haven't included the latest?

After a new mainboard you usually should reinstall the chipset drivers in case there are any hardware differences in the new mainboard.

Also, have you double checked power to the mount and tried a different cable?

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of drgert1 via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:04 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] AP Driver fails on serial port after PC repair

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi,

Following a bad charging circuit I had to replace the main board in my Dell laptop.
With that done the AP driver fails on the serial connection to the mount.
The same was working fine before.
Maybe some setting I have to re-do?

http://skywatcher.space/download/AP_Driver_serial_fail_20200927.mp4

UPDATE:
Changing the FTDI USB adapter improved connections but now the AP driver UI shows all coordinates at
initialization values.

Logfiles :
http://skywatcher.space/download/AscomZip-Gert-2020-09-27-015033.zip

Thanks,
Gert


locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

 

I am locking this topic since it has gone off the rails.  Ray has indicated that ASTAP will be considered for the future, but we must be sure that it is a solid product that will provide accurate information and integrate smoothly. 
--
Marj Christen
Astro-Physics


locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Dean Jacobsen
 

Is there a moderator?
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Re: 900 Clutch Plug Help

Sean Curry <sxcurry@...>
 

Hi Bob,

I did this a few years back with my AP900 - all the clutch plugs were stuck and I disassembled it to remove them. I can't remember the exact process, but putting it back together wasn't too difficult - you shouldn't need to send it back to AP. If I remember correctly, George at AP sent me some helpful instructions, which I can't seem to find right now. One piece of advice he gave me was to keep all the Delrin rollers in a box so that the cat didn't start playing with them!

Maybe contact George and get his advice.

Sean

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 1:42 PM rrumfield via groups.io <rrumfield=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

After sometime off from using my 900GTO mount, I realized I needed to replace the clutch plugs on the right ascension unit.  I ordered the removal tool and new plugs.  The first plug removal was a learning experience and didn’t get totally removed, the other three were no problem.  I started to disassemble the R.A unit to get the first plug out.  I didn’t realize it was filled with plastic rollers.  At present I have been able to re-assemble it with two rows of rollers and a center axis that just doesn’t seem to now fit into the RA head properly.  Does anyone have the procedure to re-assemble the unit?  Should I send all back to Astro-Physics at this point?

Help,
Bob


Re: Mach2 Wifi problems #Mach2GTO #WiFi

Peter Bresler
 

I might suggest that you can circumvent the entire issue of nudging the mount for centering by using plate solves and centering in a program like SGP which will quickly and easily autocenter the object you want to photograph.


Re: Guiding with a different mount

Roland Christen
 

Each mount requires its own calibration. Do not use one for the other. Too many variables.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Phillips <llp41astro@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2020 9:04 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Guiding with a different mount

Is there any reason that a guider calibration done with the Mach1 would not work with a Mach2?

Larry


Re: Guiding with a different mount

Dale Ghent
 

Yes, plenty of reasons. For one you could be correcting for backlash that does not exist on your Mach2. 

If you are using PHD2, just make a n hardware profile for the Mach2 using the profile wizard and then run it through the Guiding Assistant under the Tools menu. Apply any recommendations it has and you have your start. 

On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:04, Larry Phillips <llp41astro@...> wrote:

Is there any reason that a guider calibration done with the Mach1 would not work with a Mach2?

Larry


Guiding with a different mount

Larry Phillips
 

Is there any reason that a guider calibration done with the Mach1 would not work with a Mach2?

Larry


Re: Mach2 Wifi problems #Mach2GTO #WiFi

Dominique Durand
 

Hi Liam,
Hi All,

In my case, the problem was not that the CP5 was not emitting enough when the computer was plugged in, but that it was emitting too much with the antenna active. The new CP5 manual with the chapter TROUBLESHOOTING, TIPS AND SUPPORT gives the solution. With the antenna lying down or not but surrounded by an aluminum foil no more worries. I just tested.

Clear Skies

Dominique


AP Driver fails on serial port after PC repair

drgert1
 
Edited

Hi,

Following a bad charging circuit I had to replace the main board in my Dell laptop.
With that done the AP driver fails on the serial connection to the mount.
The same was working fine before.
Maybe some setting I have to re-do?

http://skywatcher.space/download/AP_Driver_serial_fail_20200927.mp4

UPDATE:
Changing the FTDI USB adapter improved connections but now the AP driver UI shows all coordinates at initialization values.

Logfiles :
http://skywatcher.space/download/AscomZip-Gert-2020-09-27-015033.zip

Thanks,
Gert


locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Dale Ghent
 

On Sep 27, 2020, at 1:29 AM, Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:

Ok, so I ran these myself and they solved in 0.2 and 0.3 seconds with the G18 database. It seems that however
these images were generated, they were generated with a small enough FoV that they didn't include enough stars
that were in the G17 database.
Okay I'll try that. Thanks.

Does G17 mean the stars have a 17th magnitude limit? (PinPoint solved it with a mag 15 limit.)
Yes, that's what it means. Han has prepared a few databases for use, with the G17 one fitting most needs down to a 20 armin FoVs. If you FoV is smaller than that, he says the G18 database will be needed. He describes them as such:

* G16 COLOUR Gaia DR2 up to Johnson V-magnitude 16, containing 60 million stars, including star colour information, native 290-6 format, 346 MB, epoch 2022.

* G17 Gaia DR2 up to BP-magnitude 17, containing 105 million stars, native 290-5 format, 503 MB, epoch 2022

* G17 COLOUR Gaia DR2 up to Johnson V-magnitude 17, containing 105 million stars, including star colour information, native 290-6 format, 690 MB, epoch 2022.

* G18 Gaia DR2 up to BP-magnitude 18, containing 208 million stars, native 290-5 format, 996 MB, epoch 2022.

* Hyperleda, a very large galaxy database for deep sky annotation. 2.190.000 objects.


locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Ok, so I ran these myself and they solved in 0.2 and 0.3 seconds with the G18 database. It seems that however
these images were generated, they were generated with a small enough FoV that they didn't include enough stars
that were in the G17 database.
Okay I'll try that. Thanks.

Does G17 mean the stars have a 17th magnitude limit? (PinPoint solved it with a mag 15 limit.)

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Ghent
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:04 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE



On Sep 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:



Right, but ASTAP is under active development. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, there have
been fixes
even since I used it last. It's possible that if the problem is there (and we still don't know that, it could
be SGP), that
it's already been fixed.



Is it correct that the latest version is a *beta* version? (v0.9.421) It is free now, but will it be free when it is
released as v1.0?

I just downloaded it, installed it and the G17 database. I then used APPM's NASA SkyView camera type to
get an emulated image, which solved in PinPoint in a few seconds. Trying to solve the same image in ASTAP fails
despite that it seemed to extra the correct RA/Dec and image scale from the FITS header.

Any idea of what I should check? Or is this a possible bug in the application?


Ok, so I ran these myself and they solved in 0.2 and 0.3 seconds with the G18 database. It seems that however
these images were generated, they were generated with a small enough FoV that they didn't include enough stars
that were in the G17 database.

00:59:50 Start finding stars
00:59:50 213 stars found of the requested 500. Background value is 3487. Detection level used 10027 above
background. Star level is 10027 above background. Noise level is 316
00:59:50 550 stars found of the requested 500. Background value is 3487. Detection level used 4740 above
background. Star level is 10027 above background. Noise level is 316
00:59:50 Selecting the 500 brightest stars only.
00:59:50 Finding stars done in 176 ms
00:59:50 510 stars selected and 416 quads selected in the image. 430 database stars required for the square
search field of 0.5°. Search window at 200%
00:59:50 Using star database G18
00:59:50 Search 0, [0,0], position: 15: 19 49.5 +70° 03 12 Up to magn 18.0 816 database quads to compare.
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 101.345565%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 121.156045%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 135.973701%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 99.253178%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 99.287188%
00:59:50 14 of 19 quads selected matching within 0.007 tolerance. Solution x:=1.621520*x+ 0.000907*y+ -
1296.950386, y:=-0.000450*x+ 1.622169*y+ -972.841391
00:59:50 Solution found: 15: 19 49.5 +70° 03 11 Solved in 0.2 sec. Offset was 0.000 deg. Used stars up to
magnitude: 18.0
00:59:51 See viewer image for image stars used (red) and database star used (yellow)




locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Dale Ghent
 

Honestly the virtual cameras like this are useful; I use them all the time. Han even makes one himself and he uses it for testing ASTAP:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sky-simulator/

It can use DSS survey images or generate simulated images using the same G17/G18 star databases that ASTAP uses.

Yes, the images that come out of things like NASA's or ESO's sky survey sites can be wonky and not at all examples of an unstretched FIT image that's right off our own cameras, but it does work and has some utility, as Ray pointed out. The issue here tonight was just a case of image FoV not matching up with the database that was used; which I mentioned earlier in the thread. This is the same situation one would run into by not having the correct index files downloaded in ASPS/ansvr.

/dale

On Sep 27, 2020, at 1:07 AM, Bill Long <bill@outlook.com> wrote:

Good work sir.

These are still not use cases that anyone would encounter. Testing a toaster to find out if it makes coffee or not isnt relevent. This is the same..


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@elemental.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:03 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE



On Sep 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:

Right, but ASTAP is under active development. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, there have been fixes
even since I used it last. It's possible that if the problem is there (and we still don't know that, it could be SGP), that
it's already been fixed.
Is it correct that the latest version is a *beta* version? (v0.9.421) It is free now, but will it be free when it is released as v1.0?

I just downloaded it, installed it and the G17 database. I then used APPM's NASA SkyView camera type to get an emulated image, which solved in PinPoint in a few seconds. Trying to solve the same image in ASTAP fails despite that it seemed to extra the correct RA/Dec and image scale from the FITS header.

Any idea of what I should check? Or is this a possible bug in the application?
Ok, so I ran these myself and they solved in 0.2 and 0.3 seconds with the G18 database. It seems that however these images were generated, they were generated with a small enough FoV that they didn't include enough stars that were in the G17 database.

00:59:50 Start finding stars
00:59:50 213 stars found of the requested 500. Background value is 3487. Detection level used 10027 above background. Star level is 10027 above background. Noise level is 316
00:59:50 550 stars found of the requested 500. Background value is 3487. Detection level used 4740 above background. Star level is 10027 above background. Noise level is 316
00:59:50 Selecting the 500 brightest stars only.
00:59:50 Finding stars done in 176 ms
00:59:50 510 stars selected and 416 quads selected in the image. 430 database stars required for the square search field of 0.5°. Search window at 200%
00:59:50 Using star database G18
00:59:50 Search 0, [0,0],
position: 15: 19 49.5
+70° 03 12 Up to magn 18.0 816 database quads to compare.
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 101.345565%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 121.156045%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 135.973701%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 99.253178%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 99.287188%
00:59:50 14 of 19 quads selected matching within 0.007 tolerance. Solution x:=1.621520*x+ 0.000907*y+ -1296.950386, y:=-0.000450*x+ 1.622169*y+ -972.841391
00:59:50 Solution found: 15: 19 49.5
+70° 03 11 Solved in 0.2 sec. Offset was 0.000 deg.
Used stars up to magnitude: 18.0
00:59:51 See viewer image for image stars used (red) and database star used (yellow)

<Screen Shot 2020-09-27 at 1.03.18 AM.png>


locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

These are still not use cases that anyone would encounter. Testing a toaster to find out if it makes coffee or not isnt
relevent. This is the same..
I created that feature so that I could extensively test various options in the plate-solvers. I then realized that others might be
able to use it for checking software setup, so I made it available. I didn't mention this aspect because you specifically asked for
a customer use case.

A third use case is for comparing the accuracy of the various plate solvers. I can create images from any part of the sky, at any
image scale and pixel dimensions, and with any rotation. I then feed these images to the various plate solvers to measure their
accuracy.

So there you go... three use cases. All are quite useful, despite what you think. :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:08 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Good work sir.

These are still not use cases that anyone would encounter. Testing a toaster to find out if it makes coffee or not isnt
relevent. This is the same..


________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@elemental.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:03 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE




On Sep 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:



Right, but ASTAP is under active development. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, there have
been fixes
even since I used it last. It's possible that if the problem is there (and we still don't know that, it could
be SGP), that
it's already been fixed.



Is it correct that the latest version is a *beta* version? (v0.9.421) It is free now, but will it be free when it is
released as v1.0?

I just downloaded it, installed it and the G17 database. I then used APPM's NASA SkyView camera type to
get an emulated image, which solved in PinPoint in a few seconds. Trying to solve the same image in ASTAP fails
despite that it seemed to extra the correct RA/Dec and image scale from the FITS header.

Any idea of what I should check? Or is this a possible bug in the application?


Ok, so I ran these myself and they solved in 0.2 and 0.3 seconds with the G18 database. It seems that however
these images were generated, they were generated with a small enough FoV that they didn't include enough stars
that were in the G17 database.

00:59:50 Start finding stars
00:59:50 213 stars found of the requested 500. Background value is 3487. Detection level used 10027 above
background. Star level is 10027 above background. Noise level is 316
00:59:50 550 stars found of the requested 500. Background value is 3487. Detection level used 4740 above
background. Star level is 10027 above background. Noise level is 316
00:59:50 Selecting the 500 brightest stars only.
00:59:50 Finding stars done in 176 ms
00:59:50 510 stars selected and 416 quads selected in the image. 430 database stars required for the square
search field of 0.5°. Search window at 200%
00:59:50 Using star database G18
00:59:50 Search 0, [0,0], position: 15: 19 49.5 +70° 03 12 Up to magn 18.0 816 database quads to compare.
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 101.345565%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 121.156045%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 135.973701%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 99.253178%
00:59:50 quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 99.287188%
00:59:50 14 of 19 quads selected matching within 0.007 tolerance. Solution x:=1.621520*x+ 0.000907*y+ -
1296.950386, y:=-0.000450*x+ 1.622169*y+ -972.841391
00:59:50 Solution found: 15: 19 49.5 +70° 03 11 Solved in 0.2 sec. Offset was 0.000 deg. Used stars up to
magnitude: 18.0
00:59:51 See viewer image for image stars used (red) and database star used (yellow)




locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Dale Ghent
 



On Sep 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:

Right, but ASTAP is under active development.  As was pointed out earlier in this thread, there have been fixes
even since I used it last.  It's possible that if the problem is there (and we still don't know that, it could be SGP), that
it's already been fixed.

Is it correct that the latest version is a *beta* version? (v0.9.421) It is free now, but will it be free when it is released as v1.0?

I just downloaded it, installed it and the G17 database. I then used APPM's NASA SkyView camera type to get an emulated image, which solved in PinPoint in a few seconds. Trying to solve the same image in ASTAP fails despite that it seemed to extra the correct RA/Dec and image scale from the FITS header.

Any idea of what I should check? Or is this a possible bug in the application?

Ok, so I ran these myself and they solved in 0.2 and 0.3 seconds with the G18 database. It seems that however these images were generated, they were generated with a small enough FoV that they didn't include enough stars that were in the G17 database.

00:59:50  Start finding stars
00:59:50  213 stars found of the requested 500. Background value is 3487. Detection level used 10027 above background. Star level is 10027 above background. Noise level is 316
00:59:50  550 stars found of the requested 500. Background value is 3487. Detection level used 4740 above background. Star level is 10027 above background. Noise level is 316
00:59:50  Selecting the 500 brightest stars only.
00:59:50  Finding stars done in 176 ms
00:59:50  510 stars selected and 416 quads selected in the image. 430 database stars required for the square search field of 0.5°. Search window at 200%
00:59:50  Using star database G18
00:59:50  Search 0, [0,0], position:  15: 19  49.5 +70° 03  12  Up to magn 18.0  816 database quads to compare.
00:59:50  quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 101.345565%
00:59:50  quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 121.156045%
00:59:50  quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 135.973701%
00:59:50  quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 99.253178%
00:59:50  quad outlier removed due to abnormal size: 99.287188%
00:59:50  14 of 19 quads selected matching within 0.007 tolerance.  Solution x:=1.621520*x+ 0.000907*y+ -1296.950386,  y:=-0.000450*x+ 1.622169*y+ -972.841391
00:59:50  Solution found: 15: 19  49.5 +70° 03  11  Solved in 0.2 sec. Offset was 0.000 deg.  Used stars up to magnitude: 18.0
00:59:51  See viewer image for image stars used (red) and database star used (yellow)


locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Bill Long
 

Your suggestion should not dictate the future state of the software nor the parameters in which it is tested. 

If you have stifled adding additional plate solving solutions over this silly test case you have deprived the community of receiving the benefits of innovation for your own personal agenda, and that is NOT acceptable.

Make your software more accessible in terms of its usage, rather than hold the entire community of users back over some edge case that you can solve otherwise. 



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
 
> Show me a single use case where a customer of Astro-Physics is going to use DSS data to plate solve and run their
> system.

When a user first gets their mount and APCC Pro, I have often suggested that they use APCC Pro during the daytime with the NASA
SkyView camera. This allows them to confirm they have APCC, APPM, and their plate-solving software properly installed and setup to
use with their mount.

A number of people have thanked me for doing this. A few have found setup problems that they were able to correct before night use.

How's that for a *useful* use case, Bill?

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf3322820cf046cefe1d08d862a136a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637367791824053891&amp;sdata=xnQDz6od1MVogTs7LWp8zDR1YDNPl%2B6f%2F%2FvZQuVwCuU%3D&amp;reserved=0
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf3322820cf046cefe1d08d862a136a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637367791824053891&amp;sdata=yv%2F1VfyDIelP4BjL8F5TX5OoNSZ%2Fjkw%2FZa8jYieCuq8%3D&amp;reserved=0


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:32 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
>
> Show me a single use case where a customer of Astro-Physics is going to use DSS data to plate solve and run their
> system. What you do on your own voyage in this hobby is irrelevant. They pay you to make software for us, their
> customers.
>
> You using bogus and silly test cases, doesnt make them right Ray.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:30 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
>
> Agee to disagree. I have used this technique effectively for a while. :-)
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of PEMPro
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cce5de00ec2e44cc0049108d8629e048d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa
> %7C1%7C0%7C637367778098333415&amp;sdata=XBGvs6NJtdISQNq3UCY5Ys3EgPF%2FrbRTR76CrLy%2BD%
> 2Fk%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:07 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> >
> > Its fake data. No one using this software is going to go through that workflow. Its like testing the taste of peanut
> > butter on bread, with a barrel of fish guts instead.
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:50 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > The data from DSS comes from real images, not reconstructed from a list of star coordinates.
> >
> > It may not be perfect, but it's not fake data. It's more real than most data after stacking, unnatural stretching, and
> > other
> > manipulations during image processing.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of PEMPro
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:17 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> > >
> > > Using fake images isnt a way to test that. I am all for rigor in testing. I have written 3 whitepapers on: Change
> > > Protocol in the SRE Era, Postmortems in a Blameless Culture, and Managing Problems in the New Age. None
> of
> > > which, unfotunately, are declassified yet.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:12 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> > >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > > I opened them, they are fake images with trashed FITS headers that are barely even passable. Why would I
> > care
> > > if
> > > > fake images solve? I dont take fake images. I take real ones.
> > >
> > > What exactly is wrong with the headers? ASTAP can load the file, read the approximate RA/Dec coordinates,
> > > display the 16-bit image
> > > (albeit vertically flipped), show the image dimensions, and yet it doesn't seem to be able to solve the image??
> > >
> > > I agree that PinPoint is outdated and slow, but it does solve the image in less than a couple of seconds. So do
> > > PlateSolve2 and
> > > SkyX.
> > >
> > > I am for including ASTAP as an option in APPM, but I need to perform due diligence to make sure it is robust
> and
> > > accurate. If not,
> > > that could lead to lead to support issues, including trying to potentially resolve inaccurate pointing and tracking
> > rates.
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of PEMPro
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
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> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:58 PM
> > > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> > > >
> > > > I opened them, they are fake images with trashed FITS headers that are barely even passable. Why would I
> > care
> > > if
> > > > fake images solve? I dont take fake images. I take real ones.
> > > >
> > > > Here, try a real image: HIP_100453_LIGHT_HA_900s_BIN1_-25C_002_20190429_025821_765_W.FIT
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:54 PM
> > > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone else having trouble opening the FITS images at this link?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > > > -Ray Gralak
> > > > Author of PEMPro
> > > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
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> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Worsel via groups.io
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:17 PM
> > > > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> > > > >
> > > > > That's very weird...
> > > > >
> > > > > See attached ASTAP screenshot
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locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Show me a single use case where a customer of Astro-Physics is going to use DSS data to plate solve and run their
system.
When a user first gets their mount and APCC Pro, I have often suggested that they use APCC Pro during the daytime with the NASA
SkyView camera. This allows them to confirm they have APCC, APPM, and their plate-solving software properly installed and setup to
use with their mount.

A number of people have thanked me for doing this. A few have found setup problems that they were able to correct before night use.

How's that for a *useful* use case, Bill?

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:32 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Show me a single use case where a customer of Astro-Physics is going to use DSS data to plate solve and run their
system. What you do on your own voyage in this hobby is irrelevant. They pay you to make software for us, their
customers.

You using bogus and silly test cases, doesnt make them right Ray.


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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:30 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Agee to disagree. I have used this technique effectively for a while. :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Its fake data. No one using this software is going to go through that workflow. Its like testing the taste of peanut
butter on bread, with a barrel of fish guts instead.
________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:50 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Hi Bill,

The data from DSS comes from real images, not reconstructed from a list of star coordinates.

It may not be perfect, but it's not fake data. It's more real than most data after stacking, unnatural stretching, and
other
manipulations during image processing.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
<https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:17 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Using fake images isnt a way to test that. I am all for rigor in testing. I have written 3 whitepapers on: Change
Protocol in the SRE Era, Postmortems in a Blameless Culture, and Managing Problems in the New Age. None
of
which, unfotunately, are declassified yet.


________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:12 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Hi Bill,

I opened them, they are fake images with trashed FITS headers that are barely even passable. Why would I
care
if
fake images solve? I dont take fake images. I take real ones.
What exactly is wrong with the headers? ASTAP can load the file, read the approximate RA/Dec coordinates,
display the 16-bit image
(albeit vertically flipped), show the image dimensions, and yet it doesn't seem to be able to solve the image??

I agree that PinPoint is outdated and slow, but it does solve the image in less than a couple of seconds. So do
PlateSolve2 and
SkyX.

I am for including ASTAP as an option in APPM, but I need to perform due diligence to make sure it is robust
and
accurate. If not,
that could lead to lead to support issues, including trying to potentially resolve inaccurate pointing and tracking
rates.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

I opened them, they are fake images with trashed FITS headers that are barely even passable. Why would I
care
if
fake images solve? I dont take fake images. I take real ones.

Here, try a real image: HIP_100453_LIGHT_HA_900s_BIN1_-25C_002_20190429_025821_765_W.FIT
<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F1drv.ms%2Fu%2Fs!AtqRof7LftCbg6l00m9
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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:54 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Is anyone else having trouble opening the FITS images at this link?

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Worsel via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:17 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

That's very weird...

See attached ASTAP screenshot

Bryan

























locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Bill Long
 

Show me a single use case where a customer of Astro-Physics is going to use DSS data to plate solve and run their system. What you do on your own voyage in this hobby is irrelevant. They pay you to make software for us, their customers. 

You using bogus and silly test cases, doesnt make them right Ray. 



From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:30 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
 
Agee to disagree. I have used this technique effectively for a while. :-)

-Ray Gralak
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:07 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
>
> Its fake data. No one using this software is going to go through that workflow. Its like testing the taste of peanut
> butter on bread, with a barrel of fish guts instead.
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:50 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> The data from DSS comes from real images, not reconstructed from a list of star coordinates.
>
> It may not be perfect, but it's not fake data. It's more real than most data after stacking, unnatural stretching, and
> other
> manipulations during image processing.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of PEMPro
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:17 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> >
> > Using fake images isnt a way to test that. I am all for rigor in testing. I have written 3 whitepapers on: Change
> > Protocol in the SRE Era, Postmortems in a Blameless Culture, and Managing Problems in the New Age. None of
> > which, unfotunately, are declassified yet.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:12 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > > I opened them, they are fake images with trashed FITS headers that are barely even passable. Why would I
> care
> > if
> > > fake images solve? I dont take fake images. I take real ones.
> >
> > What exactly is wrong with the headers? ASTAP can load the file, read the approximate RA/Dec coordinates,
> > display the 16-bit image
> > (albeit vertically flipped), show the image dimensions, and yet it doesn't seem to be able to solve the image??
> >
> > I agree that PinPoint is outdated and slow, but it does solve the image in less than a couple of seconds. So do
> > PlateSolve2 and
> > SkyX.
> >
> > I am for including ASTAP as an option in APPM, but I need to perform due diligence to make sure it is robust and
> > accurate. If not,
> > that could lead to lead to support issues, including trying to potentially resolve inaccurate pointing and tracking
> rates.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of PEMPro
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:58 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> > >
> > > I opened them, they are fake images with trashed FITS headers that are barely even passable. Why would I
> care
> > if
> > > fake images solve? I dont take fake images. I take real ones.
> > >
> > > Here, try a real image: HIP_100453_LIGHT_HA_900s_BIN1_-25C_002_20190429_025821_765_W.FIT
> > >
> >
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> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:54 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> > >
> > > Is anyone else having trouble opening the FITS images at this link?
> > >
> > >
> >
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locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC

Ray Gralak
 

Agee to disagree. I have used this technique effectively for a while. :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Its fake data. No one using this software is going to go through that workflow. Its like testing the taste of peanut
butter on bread, with a barrel of fish guts instead.
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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:50 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Hi Bill,

The data from DSS comes from real images, not reconstructed from a list of star coordinates.

It may not be perfect, but it's not fake data. It's more real than most data after stacking, unnatural stretching, and
other
manipulations during image processing.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:17 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Using fake images isnt a way to test that. I am all for rigor in testing. I have written 3 whitepapers on: Change
Protocol in the SRE Era, Postmortems in a Blameless Culture, and Managing Problems in the New Age. None of
which, unfotunately, are declassified yet.


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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:12 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Hi Bill,

I opened them, they are fake images with trashed FITS headers that are barely even passable. Why would I
care
if
fake images solve? I dont take fake images. I take real ones.
What exactly is wrong with the headers? ASTAP can load the file, read the approximate RA/Dec coordinates,
display the 16-bit image
(albeit vertically flipped), show the image dimensions, and yet it doesn't seem to be able to solve the image??

I agree that PinPoint is outdated and slow, but it does solve the image in less than a couple of seconds. So do
PlateSolve2 and
SkyX.

I am for including ASTAP as an option in APPM, but I need to perform due diligence to make sure it is robust and
accurate. If not,
that could lead to lead to support issues, including trying to potentially resolve inaccurate pointing and tracking
rates.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:58 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

I opened them, they are fake images with trashed FITS headers that are barely even passable. Why would I
care
if
fake images solve? I dont take fake images. I take real ones.

Here, try a real image: HIP_100453_LIGHT_HA_900s_BIN1_-25C_002_20190429_025821_765_W.FIT
<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F1drv.ms%2Fu%2Fs!AtqRof7LftCbg6l00m9
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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:54 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

Is anyone else having trouble opening the FITS images at this link?

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-Ray Gralak
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Worsel via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:17 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE

That's very weird...

See attached ASTAP screenshot

Bryan


















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